1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to Outspoken. You're joined by journalists Sophie 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: Kate and Amy Torba. Coming up on today's episode, how 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: TikTok's changing the fame game, the sponsored mass split that's 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: left fans furious, and what in fact is a certified 5 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: ass Well, officially, welcome back Kate and Sophia. No, you 6 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: couldn't join me on my solo episode, which was very strange. 7 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 1: It is nice to have you back. Despite despite our 8 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: little fight beforehand. 9 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: We've got to be honest, don't we. 10 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: It wasn't quite kardashian S fight, but we did have 11 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: a little fight before. I mean, I only punch Sophian. 12 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: I feel like it's a ritual to have a fight 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: before these podcasts. Though everyone gets their regression out. Really, 14 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: I'm always just worried that will somehow leave the fight 15 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: in the podcast. That's my biggest I feel like we've 16 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: got to start playing netball again because that was how 17 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: we were getting our aggression out, and now that we're 18 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: in isolation, there's not much more that we can get 19 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: our aggression out other than arguing with each other. We 20 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: did have a nice day yesterday. There was no arguments yesterday. 21 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: It was our dad's birthday, and he was so cute. 22 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: But we actually ended up having to explain to him 23 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: what the term it's a mood because Kate uploaded we 24 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: brought him some balloons, and Kate uploaded an instagram of 25 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: his reaction to receiving these balloons. And anyone who knows 26 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: our dad, he dresses in a uniform of tracksuits and 27 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: he's quite a heavy smoker. Anyway, he was out on 28 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: the veranda having a smoke and he just had like 29 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: no reaction to the fact that these boys we had 30 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: a slight smile on his face, which was so cute. 31 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: And one of your friends, Kate sent you that our 32 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: dad was a mood, so he tried to explain. 33 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: That to him. 34 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: He thought you were saying a moog or something with 35 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: a G on the end, not a D. It did 36 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: just sound like Sovie said that though you're not really 37 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: pronounce some mood. Well, what fascinated me was the fact 38 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: that none of our boyfriends knew what a mood was either, 39 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: which made me think, because it's just a girl's thing, well, 40 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: just to some people who might be listening that don't 41 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: know what a mood is, can any of you guys 42 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: actually explain it. Well. I actually went to Urban Dictionary 43 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: to give a more thorough explanation. It says, if something 44 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: is especially relatable, one might say big mood. This implies 45 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: your whole being is one and the same with whatever 46 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: you are commenting on. So it's more like, if someone 47 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: looks pissed off and you're feeling pissed off, youel like 48 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: that's a mood. So Dad's basically twenty twenty his mood. 49 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: I feel like we'll have to put it up on 50 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: the Instagram story so people can see if they also 51 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: think it's a mood. Now, let's move on to our 52 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: first topic, which is all about TikTok. And I know 53 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: during quarantine, every man and his dog seems to have 54 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: created a TikTok account. Have you guys got onto the 55 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: TikTok train? Well, I discovered today when I logged onto 56 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: the app that I actually have two accounts. It's like 57 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: Kate Torba and Kate Torba one. And I was like, 58 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: how did this even happen? Because I remember setting the 59 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: first one up. Is it's just a cheeky plug to 60 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: get TikTok followers? No, not at all, because I haven't 61 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: posted anything I kind of found it really weird because 62 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: as a thirty one year old, we've obviously lived without 63 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: having social media, but we've also remember living through the 64 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: rise of Facebook and then Instagram and then Snapchat. 65 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: So for me, I thought TikTok would be. 66 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: One of those apps that kind of just fell to 67 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: the wayside. I really don't get it, and I'm finding 68 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: it interesting that most people that are on it and 69 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: that are popular are around fifteen. 70 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: It's crazy. 71 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: I feel like the rise of TikTok has just come 72 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: out of nowhere, and it does seem quite convenient at 73 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: the moment that we're all in lockdown, so really people 74 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: have nothing to do but create TikTok's I mean, TikTok 75 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: was created by a Chinese organization. 76 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: I don't know that there might be. 77 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: Maybe there's a bit of a conspiracy theory out there, 78 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: but a lot of teenagers are stuck inside and it 79 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: has grown. I think it's said by fifteen percent in 80 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: America over one week, the amount of downloads. They've almost 81 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: reached two billion active users. And to put that into perspective, 82 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: it took Instagram eight years to reach that amount of 83 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: followers and WhatsApp five years so it's incredible how many 84 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: active users. 85 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: The site actually has. 86 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: I've got to disagree, because I'm not really surprised about 87 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: the growth of TikTok. I've been hearing for the last 88 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: year that it's going to take off and that people 89 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: should get on there now if they do want to 90 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: create a following, and it seems like the perfect time, 91 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: as you said, for people to get on it, because 92 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: everyone's so bored. Do you think, though, that now everyone 93 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: is leaping onto the platform, it's going to be like 94 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: Facebook and sort of Instagram and start having a demise 95 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: because I feel like once everyone thinks it's a cool thing, 96 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: then the app has flooded with really annoying shit content. 97 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: I don't think so. 98 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: I think people are going to start jumping off Instagram, 99 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: to be honest, because I feel like people are getting 100 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: a little bit sick about the type of content people 101 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: are posting on Instagram, all the curated feeds, and it 102 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: will be interesting to see how Instagram actually responds to 103 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: the popularity of TikTok. It is interesting you say that 104 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: because that was one point that Haley Sharp, a popular 105 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: TikToker from America, was saying. She was saying that all 106 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: of her friends and they're around fifteen are now I'm 107 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 1: not wanting to go on into Insta because it's so 108 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: curated and there's just memes that they've already seen before, 109 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: and also tiktoks and tweets that they've already seen being 110 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: reshared on the app. It's kind of like when you 111 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: grew up with something that you see older people or 112 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,679 Speaker 1: your family on, I feel like it kind of becomes 113 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: a bit corny. I feel like it's almost that that 114 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: people are like rolling their eyes at Instagram because it's 115 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: something that they grew up with when they were little 116 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: and it really hasn't evolved in their mindset. We're talking 117 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 1: about the demographic of TikTok and the fact that people 118 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: that have grown up with Instagram now are moving to TikTok. 119 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: A forty percent of its audience are believed to be 120 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: under twenty and a further twenty six percent are believed 121 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: to be under thirty. So it just shows the demographic 122 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: that are currently on there and what a massive hit 123 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: that is for Instagram. God, that is such a massive 124 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: blow to Instagram. And it has been really interesting looking 125 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: at how different social media apps have been responding. 126 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: To the growth of TikTok. 127 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: For instance, YouTube is about to launch a new short 128 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: form video sharing feature and it basically lives inside the 129 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: feed and it's it's very, very similar to TikTok. So 130 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: it's a lot of short form videos that creators are 131 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: being urged to make. Well, we saw Instagram do that 132 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: in the response to the popularity of Snapchat. To me, 133 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: it kind of just seems a little bit desperate. Do 134 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: you guys think it will actually work? No, I actually 135 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: think it will work because obviously, when Instagram introduced their 136 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,119 Speaker 1: Insta Stories to rival Snapchat, I actually saw a huge 137 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: decline in people using Snapchat for the story sharing feature. 138 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: I remember when influencers started shairing their TikTok videos, in 139 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: particular Sammy Robinson, all of the miming was out of sync, 140 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: and I feel like that was purposely done by Instagram 141 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: so the platform wouldn't look as good. M That's a 142 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: really good point. Well, one group that is doing insanely 143 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: well on TikTok is the hyphe House, and I'd only 144 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: heard of them recently. So can you fill us in 145 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,559 Speaker 1: because I'm sure a lot of people have no idea 146 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: who these people are. Well, My little cousin Stewey told 147 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: us about this. He's twenty one. So basically, the Hype 148 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: House is where twenty of the biggest TikTok stars in 149 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: the world live and it is in a huge la mansion, 150 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: So four of the members live there full time while 151 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: the rest come and go. And that is because the 152 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: house is made up of such young TikTok stars, so 153 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: you have to be of age to be able to 154 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: live in this house. And the idea is that they 155 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: film at the same location and basically all of this 156 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: drama unfolds. So the Hype House was created by two influencers, 157 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: Chase Hudson who is only seventeen and Thomas Petru who 158 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: was twenty one. So they jumped on this phenomenon which 159 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 1: has been rolled out across a lot of other social 160 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: media platforms. So a number of years ago, i think 161 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: it was twenty fourteen, Vine had a house that was similar. 162 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: It was this collaboration house and it was called sixteen 163 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: hundred Vine Street. And of course a lot of people 164 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: will have heard of YouTube's houses, and one was run 165 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: by of course the infamous Jake Paul, which was Team ten, 166 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: and there was also another one called the vlog Squad, 167 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: which is a bit of a lame name. It sounds 168 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: like the vlog squad. Well. Interestingly, the New York Times 169 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: actually did a major piece on the Hype House, and 170 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: the pictures really disturbed me because the people in them, 171 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: the influencers, I'm so young, like they're literally fifteen. In 172 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: this piece, they interview the YouTube expert and he was 173 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: quoted as saying, it's a brilliant move for power players 174 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: on those platforms to lift each other up, elevate others, 175 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: to elevate yourselves as a saying, and it really rings 176 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: true with this new generation of TikTokers. From a management perspective, 177 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: it's great. It just means all the kids will focus 178 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: on content. And the fact that he called them kids, 179 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: it just showed how exploitive it seems to be. I 180 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: know it's two twenty year olds that have set the 181 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: house up, but I just I felt dirty looking at 182 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: it and seeing what was going on. 183 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: It does seem a bit predatory. 184 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: And so if you mentioned the Team ten house that 185 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: was set up by Jake Paul and I only found 186 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: this out today that they got all this funding from 187 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: people like Gary Vee and another Chinese company to have 188 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: their Team ten house set up? Do you know who's 189 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: actually funding. 190 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 2: The high Pass? 191 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: Unlike Team ten, the high Pouse actually don't take a 192 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: cut of anyone's money, which is I think a big 193 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: difference to a lot of the collab houses. 194 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 2: So the details are very sketchy. 195 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: Because I did search who is paying for the house, 196 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: how is money being made, and all the information that 197 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: I could find is that apparently each person living in 198 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: the house pays nine hundred dollars a month to live. 199 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 2: There, which is quite low rent. 200 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: Well, there's all this money being splashed for this house, 201 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: but how do they actually make money off TikTok Because 202 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: it's different to Instagram and YouTube, isn't it. Well, it 203 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: is interesting because you rarely do see product placements and 204 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: advertisements in TikTok's as you would in Instagram, and because 205 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: it is such a relatively new platform, brands and marketing 206 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: managers haven't really jumped on board. But there is this 207 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: really weird feature where if TikTokers go live, they can 208 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: make this kind of virtual bits. 209 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 2: Coin money from fans. Yeah, it's called digital gifting. 210 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: What is really interesting is reading some of these New 211 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: York Times pieces and other interviews with TikTok stars. 212 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: It is quite. 213 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: Evident from the onset that a lot of these kids 214 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: know that TikTok is viewed as being relatively temporary. So 215 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: a lot of these kids are using it as a 216 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: stepping stone to a YouTube career or to a career 217 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: on in Instagram, because really you can make a lot 218 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: of money on YouTube three adcents, through product placements, through 219 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: making up your own merchandise. Well, the more I hear 220 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: about it, the more it just makes me suspicious that 221 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: somebody is behind the high poals and someone is paying 222 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: for the people, because if the people living in the 223 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: house are only mainly they're all just popular on TikTok 224 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: and they're not making any money from it. Well, the 225 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: people behind the high pass of the two creators, but 226 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: you're staying up with the idea, but you're saying that 227 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: they go for I know, but you're saying they've got 228 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: to pay rents. So it makes me think that maybe 229 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: other people are paying the rent and they're there as 230 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,599 Speaker 1: the commodity to potentially make money in the future. I 231 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: think they're actually all using each other. So for example, Chase, 232 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: who's actually known as Little Huddy, he is dating Charlie Diomilio, 233 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: who is the number one followed person on TikTok. Now 234 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: she's fifteen and she looks fifteen, and she has over 235 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: forty six million followers. So what they're trying to do 236 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: is they're trying to all get together and then use 237 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: each other's followers to get more followers for themselves. Now, 238 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: before we get into all the drama that's unfolding, maybe 239 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: we should talk about what makes the perfect TikTok house 240 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: because this house is insane. 241 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 242 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: Well, from what I read when they were looking for 243 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: the house, they were looking for very natural light that 244 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: they could film the videos in, and of course they 245 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: needed massive bathrooms because we always see people dancing in 246 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: mirrors in the bathrooms. On their rules as well, in 247 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: terms of how much content you have to make, is 248 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: that there's very strict rules, so you have to be 249 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: making daily content or you'll get kicked out of the house. 250 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: Can you imagine some of the YouTubers, like I've not 251 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: seen one video from Michael Finch the whole time, like 252 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: he'd be kicked out. The creators also can have friends over, 253 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 1: but there's not allowed to be any parties they want 254 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: it to be everyone concentrating on creating content, which really 255 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: shows how much it is a business. It's not just 256 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: some fun party house. It does seem a bit cult like, 257 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: and I'm kind of questioning. I know that there are 258 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: only four full time members living in their house, but 259 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: the sixteen other children that are underage, I kind of question, like, 260 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: who was allowing their kids to go and live in 261 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: this house. 262 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just. 263 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so sick of It's like, these are 264 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: actually children. Why are we treating them like adults. I 265 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: think it's perverse that some of them have forty six 266 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: million people following them. Are some of them pedophile? 267 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: It's very probause. I mean, I had a look at 268 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 2: this girl. 269 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 1: She's the number one as I spoke about her before, Charlie, 270 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: the number one most followed person on TikTok, and her 271 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: first video she put up she was miming to a 272 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: song calling people hose. 273 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 2: She then also always had. 274 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: Her stomach out and her legs out, wearing really short shorts, 275 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: dancing very provocatively, and they're acting like she's an adult. 276 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 2: And I'm like, this girl's fifteen. 277 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: Even at thirty one, I would feel weird following a 278 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: fifteen year old felt weird watching her videos because I 279 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: was like, I want to see what this is all about. 280 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: And I scrolled to the last one and I. 281 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: Was like, I actually don't get it, because this girl 282 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: is a professional dancer apparently, but they were all such 283 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 1: like it was all so lame. I couldn't see a 284 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: difference between her and someone that's got one hundred followers. 285 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: I just don't understand how it happens and how it 286 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: takes off like that. I think it's because they actually 287 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: create the dancers as opposed to just cop what everyone 288 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: else is doing. They seem to be more trendsetters. But 289 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: there's also this thing on TikTok where it's like the 290 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: trending hashtag, so in order to try and get seen, 291 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: people do their own videos to the hashtag. So it 292 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: might be a popular voice track and they emulate that 293 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: as well. So if you go on, sometimes all the 294 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: videos seem the same. But the reason they're doing that 295 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: is so they become seen. Algorithm hasn't been shared, but 296 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of different conversations going on about what 297 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: it is that gets you on the page, and there 298 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: were some leaked messages from the developers of TikTok, and 299 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: they got slammed because basically they were saying they didn't 300 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: want anyone that was ugly, fat or disabled on the 301 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: Apple feature on that page, and they were actually pushing 302 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: that sort of content down so it got no. 303 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,479 Speaker 2: Views, so you can really see. 304 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: And then it made me think, though, isn't it gross 305 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: that they are pushing fifteen year olds that are thin 306 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: and attractive and using them as their sexualizer, Like, it's 307 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: just grosss talking about the sexualization of some of the 308 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 1: TikTok stars. Daisy Key, she was a twenty one year old. 309 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: She springs to mind now. She was introduced to us 310 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: by our cousin again, who is very much into this 311 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: whole hype house. Now, she in fact has something which 312 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: is called a certified ass. Do you guys know what 313 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: that is, because I do. I'm assuming it means she's 314 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: got a really good ass, but you tell us now, 315 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: I've done a bit of research into this. So Daisy 316 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: has I think it's over a million followers on Instagram, 317 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: and a lot of her followers were saying that they 318 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: think her bum is fake, that she's got implants, or 319 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: she's had some sort of surgery. Now a bit similar 320 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: to Kim Kardashi, and she hit back saying, no, it's 321 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: real and I'll prove it. So she locked in an 322 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: appointment with a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon to run some 323 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: tests on her to see if it was in fact real. 324 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 2: Now he has a testa are though to squeez. 325 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: Well, she actually made a full video out of it, 326 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: So I mean, I suppose x ray anyway, so can 327 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: you fake that? Though? He has I'm guessing has written 328 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: something saying yes, this is her ass is real now 329 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: certified assh God, So that is a trends Yeah, so 330 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: she has started the trend well. Now with Daisy, there's 331 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:11,479 Speaker 1: been a huge legal dispute breakout between her and the creator, 332 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: Thomas of this hype house. So she has come out 333 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: and she has said that she should also be named 334 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: a co creator. So she has got a lawyer on board, 335 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: and this lawyer has been contacting a number of big 336 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: publications in America saying that they would like her to 337 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: be named in some of the previous articles as. 338 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: A co creator. 339 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: And all of the shit went down because she changed 340 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: in her Instagram bio that she was a co creator 341 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: of the High House and are they living all in 342 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: the house as this is happening. Well, she has actually 343 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: moved out now, but they were living in the house together. Yeah, 344 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: So a big dispute broke out because she tried to 345 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: copyright the hype House name. Now she I believe was 346 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: doing on behalf of the whole group, but she found 347 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: out the others were going behind her back to have 348 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: it copyrighted as well. So this huge brawl has broken 349 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: out online where they've both been revealing stuff on social media. 350 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: He said, she said type sitch situation. Now she has 351 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: created her own house called the Clubhouse. 352 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: So was that the one that we saw on YouTube 353 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: the other night? 354 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's literally the same concept. It's an incredible mansion. Well, 355 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: what is interesting is Daisy has come out and said 356 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: that the creator, Thomas, basically she's painted him as a 357 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: bit of a chauvinistic pig. 358 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 2: And she has said she's. 359 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: Really frustrated because she rose to fame from being an 360 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: Instagram model initially, and she was portrayed very much in 361 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: a way that she's just a pretty face. And she 362 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: said that she wants to be recognized as having a 363 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: business mind and being the creator of this great idea well, 364 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: it's interesting you say that about the founder Thomas, because 365 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: from what I read, he was sort of touted as 366 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: the mom of the house and kind of like the manager. 367 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: He organizes the schedules and the timings of everything see 368 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: Chris Jenna. 369 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 370 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: But also what I found interesting was Chase or little Hutty, 371 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: which I find weird calling him that. He was asked 372 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: by The New York Times because he's known for picking 373 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: out influencers and spotting their talent, and he was quoted 374 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: as saying, what makes up a good influence is you 375 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: have to be young, you have to have a lot 376 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: of energy and personality, and honestly a little weird. The 377 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: weird people get the furthest on the internet. You either 378 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: have to be talented at something or a weird funny 379 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: mix or extremely good looking. So I feel like, because 380 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: there's twenty people in this hype house, they must have 381 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: termed I kind of like to think of as a 382 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: spy scale theory. How you know they've got baby spy 383 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: scary spices. I feel like she was the attractive one 384 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: in the house, and she was a baby. 385 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, they kind of. 386 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: Didn't see her as anything else, And now she's obviously 387 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: getting pissed off because they're looking like these masterminds like 388 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: the Jake and Logan Paul, and she's just looking like 389 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: some dumb blonde, which is pretty unfair. I don't know 390 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: if it's just me, but I've noticed that so many 391 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: people that are famous on YouTube and Instagram have been 392 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: jumping on TikTok, especially in the last couple of weeks 393 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: during isolation. But it brought up an interesting point because 394 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: I feel like some people won't be able to make 395 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,239 Speaker 1: the transition because Instagram, i feel, is purely based on 396 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: appearances and posting a photo of your ass or your 397 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: tits for girls. Yeah, I think this is a real 398 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: threat for influencers who have just rested on their laurels 399 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: of being good looking and then going on YouTube and 400 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: doing some lame Ah. Well, this is what I've eaten 401 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: in the day, and oh I forgot to film it 402 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: because these TikTokers seem very passionate and very driven, Like 403 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: you can see by the high Pass. They're not wanting parties, 404 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: They're just wanting people to churn out content. 405 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 2: Do you know what the. 406 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: Whole influence is now? Jumping on board TikTok kind of 407 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: reminds me of back in the day when a lot 408 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: of celebrities decided not to get on board, but some 409 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: celebrities decided to actually get an Instagram account, and they're 410 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 1: the ones now that have millions and millions of followers. Well, 411 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: touching on celebrities, I suppose this whole fame game thing 412 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 1: is a really interesting issue to delve into now that 413 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: people are actually so influenced by being famous. And I 414 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: was doing a bit of research into it, and back 415 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: in two thousand and six was the time when people 416 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: were starting to get famous on reality TV. And at 417 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: the time, there was a study done and it looked 418 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: into the fact that fame hasn't really ever been researched 419 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: as a motivator for people because it's such a shallow thing. 420 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: But it's completely changed in the last fourteen years with 421 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: the surgence of social media and influencers. Yeah, I mean, 422 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 1: as you touched them before. It is a main motivator 423 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: for kids growing up now. They don't want to be 424 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: a doctor or a nurse or a teacher. They want 425 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: to be famous on social media. But is it this 426 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: idea of just getting to sit at home and do nothing. 427 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: Is that what's appealing as the status. I found it 428 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: quite interesting because there was a study back in nineteen 429 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: ninety six which revealed adults whose goals were tied to 430 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: the approval of others and fame reported significantly higher levels 431 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: of distress to those interested primarily in self acceptance and friendship. 432 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: So basically, if you're just all about pursuing fame, you're 433 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: actually going to get really unhappy, which defeats the purpose 434 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: of becoming famous. I feel like people have always wanted 435 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: to be famous, but the thing that's changed is now 436 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: it's become accessible. All you need is a phone and 437 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: to have some kind of sense of to post on 438 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: TikTok whatever you want. So it's the scary thing is 439 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: is that at fourteen you might think you want to 440 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: be TikTok famous, but when you're twenty one, you might 441 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: decide that this is not the life for you, and 442 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: then there's all these videos up that you cannot get removed. 443 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: What's interesting you say that because there was a study 444 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine done with actually fifteen real 445 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: life celebrities who were kept anonymous in it, but they 446 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: found that they had to understand that there was their 447 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: authentic self and then this public self, and I feel 448 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: like that's what all these social influencers are now having 449 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: to understand, and even people using social platforms like ourselves, 450 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: you feel like there is this different you that you 451 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: put out on the platform, and then there is this 452 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: real you, And there is a struggle with the people 453 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: that actually even only get a little bit famous that 454 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: they still then have to deal with the come down. 455 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: Of that fame. 456 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: Well, it is definitely very alarming because I don't think 457 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: we've ever seen before such young children getting this widespread 458 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: fame that is so easily accessible on these social media apps. 459 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: So it will be definitely one that we watch with 460 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: interest as it unfolds. Now, let's get into the pit 461 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: and peak of our social media week, and the peak 462 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: for me was seeing Keep It Cleaner founder Laura Henshaw 463 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: share a very candid photo of herself with pimples in isolation, 464 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: and I think it's something we can all relate to 465 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: because I know my chocolate eating is just out of 466 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: control at the moment. And she also shared another one 467 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: later in the week of her sitting with her stomach, 468 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: iming she's very thin, but it was sort of not 469 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: the most flattering pose and she was just saying that 470 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: there seems to be this trend of people trying to 471 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: say that we've got to make time to be the 472 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: best selves in isolation, use all this time, but it's 473 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: actually okay to not be completely fit and smashing all 474 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: your workouts. 475 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 2: Will form miss universe. 476 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: Australiat Livy Rodgers has also hit out online we see 477 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: so many people joking on putting on all this way 478 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: I can roll out of lockdown, And she said it's 479 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: really detrimental for our well being to be putting out 480 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: those messages like that. It's okay if we put them 481 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: a little bit of way. It's such a stressful time, 482 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: Why do we have to be focused on it? Yeah. 483 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: I also heard Aby Chatfield on her podcast talking about it, 484 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: and she was saying it's pissing her off that we're 485 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: all meant to be learning a different language and doing 486 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: all these amazing things. Can we maybe just focus on 487 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: surviving this lockdown? 488 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 2: Which I agreed with. 489 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to our pit of the week, 490 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: And this was a really terrible one. It was an 491 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: absolute shit show. So on Monday night, Martha and Michael 492 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: from last year's Married at First Sight, they took to 493 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: Instagram to supposedly share their breakup posts. 494 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 2: So these were text messages sent to each other. 495 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: So for those who haven't seen it, the first was 496 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: from Michael and it said. 497 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 2: Are you serious? You're a bit dramatic. 498 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: I know you've always wanted the best of everything, but 499 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: this is just one of those things that takes time, 500 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: trial and error. I've tried over and over again to communicate, 501 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: but you know it never eventuates to anything. How many 502 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: times can one person pick up the phone to figure 503 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: out a problem and get no response and then Martha reply, 504 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: I'm so fucking done, I'm upgrading, Bye bye, And it 505 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,239 Speaker 1: continued with these pathetic messages back and forth. Anyway, So 506 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: the thing that gave it away was the fact that 507 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: obviously they were publicizing this, and the fact that they 508 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: tagged one another in this supposed breakup post. For anyone 509 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: that's written this sort of copy before, it was quite odd. 510 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,959 Speaker 1: You some of the key words in about connectivity and 511 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: communication that I've been jumped out that it had been 512 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: written by a copywriter. Yeah, because she did come out 513 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: obviously the next day and say yes, it was a 514 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: big publicity stunt for this internet provider whose name I 515 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: cannot recall. But is it that wrong? I mean, we 516 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: had Martha on the show and she was really, really lovely. 517 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: Do you guys think that it is wrong of them 518 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: to advertise like that? Well, what I thought was wrong 519 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: was the fact that Martha then went out to a 520 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: bottle shop in Sydney with her sister and sed up 521 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: the paparazzi shop. Really of her crying in the bottle 522 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: shop looking at text message, I thought that was a 523 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: bit fun for me. The thing that I found wrong 524 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: about it was that it makes a mockery of their relationship. 525 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: From a PR perspective, do you think this was a 526 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: clever move by the internet provider? Well, I personally think 527 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: it harnessed a lot of aggression towards the company and 528 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 1: towards Yeah, there were a lot of people that were 529 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: pissed off about it. The fact that you can't even 530 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 1: remember what the internet company's name was makes me think 531 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: is it a bit of a PR fail? Because I 532 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't go with them just because of this. Definitely, I 533 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: mean we're talking about them. It will props to them 534 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: for coming up with something that's a slightly creative campaign, 535 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think that it's just 536 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: leveraged a lot of negativity towards their brand, and it's 537 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: also been quite deceptive. So I wouldn't really then trust 538 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: this internet provider when they're being misleading. Wow. So let's 539 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: take a look at the stories that have been filling 540 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: up our feed this week, and I think the first 541 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: has to be the outpouring of celebrities that have been 542 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: slammed by their followers for not following correct social distancing 543 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: measures and also for being a little bit tone deaf 544 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: and insensitive to the whole COVID nineteen situation. Yeah. I 545 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: noticed a lot of Love Island stars from not the 546 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: Summer's version, but this version before getting slammed to fan 547 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: favorite Ambi Gil. And also, do you remember Laura from 548 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: a couple of seasons ago, She was like a thirty 549 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: year old air hostess. Now this is Love Island UK 550 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: you're talking about, I don't talk about Australia. Yeah, she 551 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: got slammed Laura because she had this photo of her 552 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: art hanging out of the shorter shorts. I think they're 553 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: basically underpants and saying, oh, you know, thanks, let's stay inside. 554 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: And it's just using sexy photos like that to sign 555 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: of spread a message. I don't know how everyone feels 556 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: about that. 557 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 2: I think in the. 558 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: UK that they're copying a lot of backlash because of 559 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 1: just how severe it is. So I feel like Australian 560 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: instagramers are getting let off the hook a little bit 561 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: because we haven't witnessed the number of deaths that the 562 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: UK has, so I can understand how people might be 563 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: lashing out. Well. I think that Amber Gils was a 564 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: little bit more frustrating because she uploaded a photo of 565 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: herself from a previous holiday and she captioned it I 566 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: thought I'd be on holiday number five by now, and 567 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: then all these crying emojis, and a lot of people 568 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: said it was very tone deaf because a lot of 569 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: people are losing their loved ones and it seemed. 570 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: Like a very privileged situation. Oh no, I can't go 571 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 2: on another free brand trip. 572 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, another Love Island stuff from this summer series 573 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: that I think made the best of a bad situation 574 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: was Shorener. 575 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 2: So she launched her in. 576 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: Style collaboration and because they couldn't actually do any of 577 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: the photographs in a professional studio, she had to do 578 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: her own hair, makeup and then shoot the photos on 579 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: her iPhone of her new clothing range, which I actually. 580 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: Thought were really cool. 581 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't realize she did that. She's very talented 582 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: in that respect. Yeah, I saw Olivia from God. The 583 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: second series has also done that too, so and it's 584 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: quite interesting. They now change the collection completely and are 585 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: sharing puckis and T shirts and hoodies, which I like 586 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: because I was thinking about it the other day and 587 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: I saw all these online sales and I'm like, there's 588 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: no point buying anything. I literally, I'm just going to 589 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: be in legands and hoodies for the next couple of months. 590 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 591 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 1: Well, going on from that, it's really interesting because although 592 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: online clothing sales have dropped, beauty sales are booming at 593 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: the moment as everyone is having to start their own 594 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: DIY nails and DIY hair at home. So I don't 595 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: know about you, but I feel like everywhere it's popping 596 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: up now Polish brands. Olivia Rodgers here we spoke about 597 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: before last week. She did this campaign all the sponsored 598 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: segment with a now Polish brand, and I've never seen 599 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: it until now. It's always, you know, the influences with 600 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: their fake actually noticed her promoting sc before, but I 601 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: am an avid watcher of her Instagram story. So I 602 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: have spoken to a few friends who have had acrylic 603 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 1: nails for years and years now, and one of them 604 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: was saying that she has just forgotten how to do 605 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: now polish and she had to spend hours soaring off 606 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: her fake snn But Arianna Grande has a solution now 607 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: she has hit her Instagram sorry to show us these 608 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: stick on fingernails. 609 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: Have you seen them? 610 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: Are they like the ones I remember always begging Mum 611 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: to get them? They got the little stickier and you 612 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 1: press them on. 613 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, sound foul. 614 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know why we eat fake fingernails 615 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: and we're stuck at home At the moment, I am 616 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: so glad I got off the fake acrylic sns nails 617 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: because now I got them done at Christmas and I 618 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: literally winch the whole time and they've finally grown back. 619 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: So talk about good karma. 620 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: I feel like there's going to be a certain group 621 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: of people that suddenly have so much money when we 622 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: come out of this. The ones that are getting you know, 623 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,959 Speaker 1: the weekly spray tonds, the two I don't know how 624 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: many times you get your nails done? 625 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 2: Is it fortnightly? I don't know. Oh, you can push 626 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 2: it tonight. You can push it to monthly, are you? 627 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 2: But that's really. 628 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: About five weeks. I've got no idea. I don't get 629 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: my nails done well. Moving on to something else that 630 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,719 Speaker 1: has gone viral. It is a viral food trend at 631 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: the moment. So have you guys noticed all the whipped 632 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: coffee drinks? Yes, this has been all over my newsfeed. 633 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 2: Well, it's called dalgona apparently. I don't know. It's a 634 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 2: Korean word? 635 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: Is it? 636 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,479 Speaker 2: How you really pronounce it? 637 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure just the whipped coffee challenge. It's a Korean 638 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: candy name. And I think it is so popular at 639 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: the moment because obviously coffee shops apart from takeaway are 640 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: closed down at the moment. So we're really going to 641 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: be a bit more creative one about how we're showing 642 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: off online until about getting our daily coffees. I saw 643 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: a YouTuber staff from Barker do it. It seemed like 644 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: too much trouble to. 645 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: Get a frothy. 646 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: I've seen other people do it, and I don't know 647 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: why it took her so long. I think she and 648 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: Anastasia kings North, Sophie's other favorite YouTuber, are quite challenged 649 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: in the culinary department, so it just reminds me. I 650 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: watched an epic challenge food challenge of hers. She is 651 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: known for doing reviews on McDonald's and she actually did 652 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: her own how to make McDonald's Big Mac meal, which 653 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: was so funny. There's just something so comfanying about their 654 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: videos at the moment. A lot of them are food videos. 655 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: So it's very nice just to get you a cup 656 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: of teams some Easter eggs and listen. 657 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: And talking about Easter. 658 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: We really hope everyone has a fantastic Easter at home. 659 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: I know the Prime Minister has all text us today 660 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: telling us to stay at home and that's really important. 661 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: And I know Amy, Sophie and I are going to 662 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: be having a fun Easter at home together because we 663 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: this week are going to be creating some Easter treats. 664 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 2: Yes. 665 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: In conjunction with that, we've actually launched our Outspokenmedia dot 666 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: com dot au website, which we've got all reality TV news, 667 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: influencer news. We wanted to create a space where people 668 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: could go who are stuck at home and read all 669 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: of the latest news, and we're going to be doing 670 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: heaps of really cool videos that hopefully maybe you guys 671 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: can follow along and make your own crafts or your own. 672 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: Recipes with us. I feel like I've hit this very 673 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: kind of like nesting kind of stage. 674 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's getting a bit cooler and you just 675 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,959 Speaker 1: want to obviously you want to be inside. 676 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 2: You can only be inside. 677 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: So I think it'd be nice to do a few 678 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: of these activities. Let us know if you're going to 679 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: follow any of them and do any of them. We'd 680 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: love to see how yours turn out. They're probably gonna 681 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: better than ours. Yeah, I can't wait to see them. 682 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: So we will be uploading those towards the end of 683 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: this week, So please keep an eye out and thank 684 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: you again for listening. 685 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 2: If you have enjoyed today's. 686 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: Episode, we would absolutely love it if you could share 687 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: it on your Instagram account. 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