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Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by our partners at

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Speaker 1: Blossom and Workplace Law. Welcome to The Female Athlete Project

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Speaker 1: Season two. My name is Chloe Dalton. I'm an Olympic

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Speaker 1: gold medalist in rugby sevens and I'm now playing for

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Speaker 1: the GWS Giants in the AFLW. I started tfapp to

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Speaker 1: share the stories of incredible female athletes and to address

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Speaker 1: the gender inequalities that exist within the sports media space.

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Speaker 1: We want to change that story, and we're all about

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Speaker 1: making news and highlights of women's sport easily accessible across

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Speaker 1: our platforms. Our hope is that more female athletes will

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Speaker 1: become household names and in turn enable the next generation

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Speaker 1: of young kids to pick up a ball, racquet, bat board,

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Speaker 1: whatever they want to pick. Season two is kicking off

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Speaker 1: with a bang. Tyler Wright is a two time World

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Speaker 1: champion surfer from the South Coast town of Kalbara. Labeled

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Speaker 1: a childhood prodigy, Tyler is the youngest in history to

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Speaker 1: win a Championship Tour event. In two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 1: at the age of just fourteen, Tyler won the Beachley

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Speaker 1: Classic in Manly before joining the tour full time three

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Speaker 1: years later. Tyler has won an amazing fourteen World Tour

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Speaker 1: events and two historic world titles in twenty sixteen and

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. Surfing is a serious thing in the Right family,

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Speaker 1: with two of Tyler's brothers competing alongside her on the

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Speaker 1: World Tour. In this episode, Tyler shares the scary depths

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Speaker 1: she went to after being diagnosed with post viral syndrome,

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Speaker 1: where she went days and weeks on end barely able

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Speaker 1: As you'll hear, after undertaking intense neurological rehabilitation sessions, Tyler

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Speaker 1: made a momentous return to surfing and has made the

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Speaker 1: choice to use her platform to speak out on issues

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Speaker 1: of inequality around race, gender and sexuality. Tyler rocked up

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Speaker 1: to my house after a morning surf and this episode

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Speaker 1: could probably have gone for three hours. It was a

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Speaker 1: real honor to have the opportunity to sit down and

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Speaker 1: chat with her. I really hope you enjoy it, Tyler Right,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Female Athlete Project. Yeah, thank you, pretty

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Speaker 1: cool to have you on. You've been surfing recently down

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Speaker 1: at Narrabeen. There's four stops in Australia this year. Newcastle, Narrabeen,

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Speaker 1: Margaret River and Rotness Island. What's it been like surfing

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Speaker 1: on home soil and having a bit of a home

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Speaker 2: That part's been amazing. I've really enjoyed being back here,

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Speaker 2: and it's been like such a long time too. It's

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Speaker 2: been like almost three years for me, so it's just nice.

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Speaker 2: I just forgot how much I love it, appreciate how

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Speaker 2: much everyone here appreciates surfing, and it's really cool and

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Speaker 2: feels very community based, so that's cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was cool being down at Narrabeen the other

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Speaker 1: day watching how many people, how many locals got down

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Speaker 1: there as well, and a lot of people, a lot

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Speaker 1: of Brazilian fans, I think from what the features too

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Speaker 1: were down there was pretty decent crowd.

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Speaker 1: But they've had a change to the finals as well,

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Speaker 1: so later this year, change of the structure of event,

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Speaker 1: so there'll be a finals event for the top five

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Speaker 1: men and top five women, yeah, to compete it out there.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about that change in structure? I

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Speaker 2: love that. See I'm a psycho like that though, so

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Speaker 2: I think that's like when because I have won titles

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Speaker 2: like on the land and not in the water, and

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Speaker 2: then I have won titles in the water, and winning

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Speaker 2: in the water means like it happens on your own terms,

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Speaker 2: Like you can win or lose on your own terms, okay,

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Speaker 2: And I think you're not waiting for someone to lose,

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Speaker 2: You're waiting for yourself to perform. And I think that's

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Speaker 2: a different thing. So when you know, we've had it close,

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Speaker 2: we've always had surf offs, and the hype around a

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Speaker 2: fact that we have that as an official part of

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Speaker 2: It's a whole new like competitive game, and like the

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Speaker 2: for me, Like it's it's just such a fun like

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Speaker 2: and I think that for me is like just intellectually

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Speaker 1: Does that play a pretty big part And when you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm like, I'm way more analytical than I

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Speaker 2: think people think. I don't think I put a lot

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Speaker 2: more relevance in performance, like I'll lose heats but perform

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Speaker 2: And I think the more I see that and the

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Speaker 2: what's relevant. Yeah, Like we don't know how to train

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Speaker 2: So like there's actually nothing that says that there's nothing

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Speaker 1: Is it because there's so many different variables to analyze

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Speaker 2: Look we have the biggest variable we have is obviously

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Speaker 2: But and so when I see other sports, I'm like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: extreme sport, So like, what are even looking at what

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Speaker 1: But yeah, like I'm interested by this mother nature thing

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Speaker 2: It's pretty cool that you've got. I liked it.

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Speaker 2: Like it's pretty cool. Yeah as an athlete to be

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Speaker 2: I'm one of five, We're all nuts. I'll just say

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Speaker 2: Like did you want to win world titles?

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Speaker 2: and freakishly talented, and people get stoked on that and

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00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 2: a sport that loves youth.

431
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, what does it feel like having that

432
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: pressure where people are kind of calling you a bit

433
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 1: of a prodigy, saying you're going to be in the

434
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 1: next World Champ. Did you because of that element of

435
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 1: wanting to please people? Was that something that kind of

436
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: resonated with you or did it freak you out more

437
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: than that?

438
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that the expectation was pretty brutal.

439
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: And one of the really confusing things I think is like,

440
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 2: now I look back and go, yeah, no, Look, I

441
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: was a child prodigy. I was a child star. Like

442
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: I was in the media from fourteen and told that

443
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 2: I was going to be the next World Champ. But

444
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 2: I was also an environment where people would tell me

445
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 2: that wasn't the case. So like when you're when that's

446
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 2: all happening, yeah, and then someone's like, oh, no, you're

447
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: not You're not the child star, you're not this, you're

448
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 2: not that. I'm like, okay, well, every other kid seems

449
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: like they're going to school doing these things, but I'm

450
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 2: you know, traveling by myself in Europe, you know, for

451
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 2: a month or six weeks, and I'm fifteen years old

452
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: and myself and like all these different things. So like

453
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 2: it was kind of like a confusing time because you know,

454
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 2: you told one thing, but and so for me, I

455
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: was like like, no, this is this like fun and

456
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: normal and and kind of all okay. But again, if

457
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: you're not supported and feel like you're in a safe

458
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: space to be like actually, like this is like really

459
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: kind of intense. I don't know if I really want

460
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 2: to do this. Can I just not go to school?

461
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: Like I didn't understand? And so if that's not kind

462
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 2: of supported there, it's one of those transitioning things where

463
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: I think young ones can really struggle with and like

464
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: I definitely did, Like I've always had mental health struggles

465
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: because I just didn't have the language to articulate myself,

466
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 2: Like I literally didn't have it. And so like by

467
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: the time, yeah, like I was on tour from sixteen,

468
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: which is is you know, I was never not going

469
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: to be on tour, which is the other thing. People like, oh, yeah,

470
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: but you would never have won your world titles. I'm like,

471
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 2: I probably I probably would have had double to triple

472
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: that by now if I stayed. And then, you know,

473
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 2: like people always on that side like, yeah, you would

474
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: never be as great as you are, and I'm like,

475
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: why would I not be better? Like if I didn't

476
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: have to deal with all these things, and you know,

477
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 2: being isolated from such a young age and around no

478
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 2: one your own age, there's this a whole bunch of

479
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: mental health and health and well being things that were

480
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 2: probably overlooked. And that's why I'm always really conscious with

481
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 2: the next generation. Now it's been like chill, it's fine,

482
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 2: you have got time, like don't but you don't need a

483
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 2: rush like it's you know, and I feel like sports

484
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: is just obsessed with youth, you know, but when you know,

485
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that I'm even in my prime yet.

486
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: You know, I'm still a young woman learning what it

487
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: means a young woman in sport and to really embrace

488
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: the platform that I have and how to make the

489
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 2: most of that and what even sort of athlete that

490
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: I do want to become. And I don't think anyone,

491
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: any young woman's had the visibility that we've all needed.

492
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 2: And that's like podcasts like these are so important because

493
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: the visibility is where it's at now. Being older, I

494
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: sit down and like I wish I knew who super

495
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: Bird was, Like I wish I knew like the who

496
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: the WNBA were, and like, you know, soccer and AFLW.

497
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: I wish we had that sort of visibility because it

498
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 2: literally changes young women's lives to completely embrace who they

499
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 2: are from a younger age, so like they don't have

500
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: to go through this like really confusing point of Like

501
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: like I was always as angry like especially it's actually

502
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: I was like, why am I angry all the time?

503
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: I just didn't get it. As you get older, did

504
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: you like, actually I should be angry about that. That's

505
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: not okay, Like that shouldn't happen, Like women shouldn't be

506
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: treated like that, Like a sixteen year old shouldn't be

507
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: in that environment. This shouldn't be going on, Like, and

508
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 2: now I'm so much more like, yes, let's challenge it

509
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 2: a lot and you know, set things on fire a

510
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: little bit like that. Yeah, I like that.

511
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: I want to come back to the Superbird and stuff

512
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,479
Speaker 1: because yeah, I want work and come back.

513
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

514
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: But so you were fourteen in two thousand and eight

515
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: when you won, Yeah, you became the youngest ever serfer

516
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: to win on the World Series on the World Circuit circuit.

517
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, something like that like that at

518
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: Manly Beach. Did you feel like that was kind of

519
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: more for the people that were getting you into that

520
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: position or was that kind of did you feel proud

521
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: of that achievement?

522
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 2: No, okay, no, I again too young. I was like, what, like,

523
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 2: now I look back, I'm like, where's the parental supervision?

524
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 2: But like I give props to my parents too, Like

525
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 2: they're not prepared for this. Like parents aren't prepared for this.

526
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone is. I think they were just

527
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: doing the best that they could. And it's like they have,

528
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: you know, all kids that are freakingly talented at all

529
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 2: at the same sport. But when I look at that now,

530
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 2: I think, unfortunately, it's set a standard right for the

531
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: next generation, right who want it? And I felt that

532
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: even you know, the last ten years, I've felt people

533
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: want to get on the tour as young as I did.

534
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 2: And okay, there's only been one that's come on that's

535
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: been younger, and you know, I've always been super concerned. Yeah,

536
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: because I'm just like, oh, she's not going to pay

537
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,239
Speaker 2: the price now, like it's it's gonna be later, Like

538
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: I'm so stressed for her. Like but yeah, like I

539
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: felt set a standard, ye, And I don't agree with

540
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: that standard either. Like I and so it was kind

541
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: of one of those ones where it was great, but

542
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: also really, yeah, set it precedent that I don't agree with.

543
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, do you feel like you've been able to

544
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: move into some kind of mentoring role for the younger

545
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: athletes that come on. I think more in the last

546
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: like twelve months where I've started taking a little bit

547
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: more legitimately serious and like just gone, actually, yeah, I

548
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: kind of looked around and I'm not happy with the

549
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: standard that's being set for athletes at the moment. I

550
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: just think we could There's so much more room and

551
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: growth to be had, you know, from relevance to activism,

552
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: to social justice to.

553
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: To just humanity and health and well being as well.

554
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: I just think we have so much to do in

555
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: that space, and I feel that we have an opportunity

556
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: two set a standard that is inclusive of education, health

557
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: and well being, activism, social justice, like and performance and

558
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: to bring a real humanity side of it and to

559
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: really challenge what exists right now. So I think with

560
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: age and maturity, that's helped. Having a good support network

561
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: and having you know, women athletes visible like that disc.

562
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: I can't explain how much that changes Athletes like myself's lives. Yeah,

563
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm ten years into a career. Yeah,

564
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: so you know, and that's where I might I look

565
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: back now. I'm like tell them the grums. I'm like

566
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: with them, like look at the like look at the AFLW,

567
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: look at the w NBA, look at the you know,

568
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: women's soccer. Like the women in those sports a changing.

569
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, just I feel like they own their feminism,

570
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: they own their sexuality, they own their gender, they own

571
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: exactly who they are, and they show up in all

572
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: of their humanity over and over again. I think the

573
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: more that scene, the better if everyone.

574
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: Is yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah. After being on the tour

575
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: for seven eight years, won your first world title in

576
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. I've got a quick audio clip to play

577
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: for you. Oh god, no, it's all right. It's not

578
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: your talking.

579
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: Forty con log and she doesn't get through the seat.

580
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: That means Tyler right, we'll take the winner, and now

581
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: we can make it official. You're twenty sixteen world champion.

582
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: It's Tyler right. What was that moment? Like that was?

583
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: It was pretty nuts. It was I think like three

584
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: days before that, I like, really let it sink in

585
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: where I was what I was doing. I actually cried

586
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: before I won. I knew that year there's nothing that

587
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: was going to stop me from reading in France. It

588
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: was nothing. I was like no, like I remember like

589
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: just taking a minute all before it happened, like before

590
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: the event happened, and just losing it. Like I remember

591
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: just sitting down there and just crying. And so when

592
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: when it all started to kick off, and in that

593
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: particular day, in that particular event, what they did was

594
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: they moved it the COLMB and that was the last

595
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: it was finals day, I think quarters onwards, and they

596
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: moved the colmb all the way down to in front

597
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: of exactly where I was staying, and onto this left

598
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: that had served every day and every afternoon. It was

599
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: just such a vibe, like we'd go down there, would

600
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: take wine and cheese and have dips and snacks and

601
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: it was this and then we're just stay in these

602
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: like mega mansions and it was like I don't know why,

603
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: but it was just like such a cool vibe. So

604
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: like when they made the call to move it to

605
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: in front of our house, I was like the most smartest,

606
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: Like I don't know how I got away with this,

607
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: but I'm like I think. I was like, yeah, like

608
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: it's it's done, like roll up the leads everyone, it's

609
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: wrapped up, like I'm it's done. Like obviously I swore

610
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: and I had the main the girl that was in

611
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: the title race, Courtney con luct with me, who was second,

612
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: and her mum was standing right there and I was

613
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: like just like full like I turned around tick Lant

614
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: and was like like wrap it up, like like it's done,

615
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: and there's like not a not a chance and so

616
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: like and you're talking to someone that and we'll move

617
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: into a left and that's like my greatest weakness, like

618
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: it's so well publicized as well because I talk about it. Yeah,

619
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: And it was just like one of those things where

620
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: I was walking down I was like flanked by hectic

621
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: security and then all of a sudden, like it was

622
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: a little bit of and Glenn was like, oh no,

623
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: I we'll just go down earlier. We'll watch, like we'll

624
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: get you in a routine. We know there's heaps of

625
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: things going No, we'll just get you like in a routine. Fine,

626
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: not an issue, And like all of a sudden, like

627
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: Steph came up and tackled me from out of nowhere.

628
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 2: She's like you've done it, Like it's done, it's over,

629
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: like she just lost and like I think I screamed.

630
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I went nuts a little bit.

631
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: It was fun. It was this kind of like I

632
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 2: don't know, it was just like one of those moments

633
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: where you're just like, of course, it was like it

634
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: was always going to be done. Like it was like

635
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: such a I don't know where it came from, but

636
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: I was just so like, yeah, one hundred got this,

637
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: no worries, even though like sometimes I'm like where does

638
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: that come from? And I'm like, I love it. I

639
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: love it, very supportive of this like whole like, yeah,

640
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: don't even worry about it. It's it's nothing. Yeah. So

641
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: when it was done, it was just like it was

642
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: just cool, Like I didn't really feel any different. It's like,

643
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: for me, the best thing about winning is the party.

644
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

645
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: I know that sounds really weird and people were like,

646
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 2: I can't say that, but I think the biggest thing

647
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: was that the celebration that we had, like even that

648
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: night and then when I got home, it was just

649
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: like just happy. Everyone was just stoked and it was

650
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: just a fun night. We danced all night. Yeah, I

651
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: don't know. The best bit is like the people around you,

652
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: the people we need to celebrate with, And yeah, I

653
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: feel like you would know that, like oh everything's better

654
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: with the team, oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah when

655
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: you just get to go wild so good. Yeah yeah.

656
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: And like for us in Rio, like the fact that

657
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 1: we were all there as a team, and then every

658
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: like every member of the team had in the stands

659
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: like their family and their closest friends, Like people had

660
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: friends from like childhood had flown over yea be there.

661
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: They like lifted us up into the stands and we

662
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: were like all hugging and then like we're on people's.

663
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: Shoulders, like beers everywhere.

664
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: Like it was just those moments, even though it seems

665
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: like it's a party and like yeah, you're having a drink,

666
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: but like it's the people who were there, who were

667
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: the most important, who get to recognize that.

668
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 2: That's the thing. It's the people that make it count.

669
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: Like all of these moments don't really count up to

670
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: much unless you get someone to share it with. And

671
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: that's what I always felt. And it was super weird

672
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: because I didn't have a single family member on the beach,

673
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: like I had and no one was there, and it

674
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 2: was like and that's where like I felt like all

675
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: the girls and all like Glenn and my team and

676
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: that really pulled together. They were just like she doesn't

677
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: have a single family member just because everyone was that

678
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 2: had massive health issues at the time and couldn't make

679
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 2: the flight over. But that's like, yeah, it sounds like

680
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: a party, but really it's just been able to celebrate

681
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: with people that have seen it all. They have been

682
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: there through it all, and that was kind of both

683
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: you know. Obviously when I got home, I had a

684
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: huge celebration where literally everyone from when I was a

685
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: child to adult was there. Like there was like just

686
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: it was the biggest rageo ever and they're like, let's

687
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: just all do it again next year, like and it

688
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: was it's just those people like and you know that

689
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: you know the feeling of like when you get to

690
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 2: celebrate with the people that matter the most. Yeah, there's

691
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: nothing like it.

692
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: So was it that year or the year prior that

693
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have had his accident at pipe?

694
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 2: It was December the year before, Okay, so like essentially

695
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: that year yeah, yeah, and yeah, so had him, I

696
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 2: had my mom had health issues, my sister had health issues,

697
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: Like it was just a mess. So like, yeah, I

698
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: think that's why it was all really Like that's what

699
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: I mean, Like when I showed up, like my coach

700
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: was always just like you're here. Yeah, that's a start,

701
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: Like that star that was just always one of the things,

702
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: like I didn't sleep for like six eight months that

703
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: year anyway, and so yeah when so when that, yeah,

704
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: it was just one of those things that really I

705
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 2: think my town and my community needed as well, which

706
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: was something I didn't really realize but also kind of

707
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 2: knew we needed something to celebrate that year, and so

708
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: yeah it was and to bring community together in celebration,

709
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: and I thought that was really cool as well.

710
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,240
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Speaker 1: dot au. You managed to back it up in twenty seventeen. Yep,

741
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: pretty big effort go back to back. Yeah, was that?

742
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 1: Do you feel like there was an element where winning

743
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 1: almost becomes a habit and you kind of get yourself

744
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: into those situations where you're performing and you get on

745
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: that big stage and you're kind of like, I know

746
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 1: what to do here?

747
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: It was kind of it's hard to say. I think

748
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: the year after it was like, you know, the twenty

749
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: sixteen year, we converted seven out of ten finals, and

750
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: out of those seven we converted five. Wow. But even

751
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: previous years before that, I'd made five out of ten

752
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: finals but only converted too, and it was only you know,

753
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: one conversion away from a title, and that was always

754
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: the ratio. Yeah, and then so it wasn't like I

755
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: hadn't meet in that position a lot. Yeah, you know,

756
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: I'd always been able to final really well, yeah, I

757
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: don't know. I wasn't really in flash form like I

758
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: wasn't like both years, I wasn't surfing crash hot like,

759
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 2: I wasn't surfing like absolutely unbelievable. I was just doing

760
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: very standard and basic surfing but being smarter and more efficient.

761
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: So it was kind of one of those things where

762
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: I was still kind of get away with that a lot,

763
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: but I didn't really kicking the gear until I ripped

764
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: my knee off in Portugal, which is like the third

765
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: last event, and I was in force and then went

766
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 2: to France and then semi in France with the knee

767
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: ripped off, so I was like, ridiculous, don't advise it either.

768
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: This is the kind of stuff that I really don't

769
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 2: advise doing, and people glorify a lot, but I don't

770
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: like it at all. And it's one of those things

771
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: where I know I can do it and i'm not.

772
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 2: And this is where the kind of psycho switch flips is,

773
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 2: because I'll get to the point where I'll have medical

774
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 2: people telling me that you're gonna absolutely blow your knee out.

775
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, but I can, Okay, like I can

776
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: do it, I know I can, yeah, and then not

777
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: gonna Like it was one of those things where I

778
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: was able to. It's like kind of those stories like

779
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: or what Beware of the Wounded, the Wounded Warrior kind

780
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: of thing, which I absolutely hate that. I hate it.

781
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 2: I think it's so I think it's literally glorifying neglecting

782
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: your own health and well being. Like I, you know,

783
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: I did it, and two days later I was competing

784
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 2: on my knee. Wow, So like I ripped seventy percent

785
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: of my mcl off bone. I had a bone bruise

786
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: in my knee, and then on the other side I

787
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: had a compression kind of like with the bone. I think, yeah,

788
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: another bone bruise on the other side. So it was

789
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: all really messed up. And then my ankle was so

790
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 2: mangled as well because it like ripped, my knee kind

791
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: of ended up twisting in and then my ankle was

792
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: shoved up to my head kind of thing, like the

793
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 2: way it was like ripped out, and so my hip

794
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 2: as well was all like bent in. It was all

795
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: it was really messed up. I should not have been

796
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 2: away I was doing. Yeah, But in those moments things

797
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: become so clear. And so when you're competing, there's no noise,

798
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: and my life is full of noise, and so when

799
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 2: there's no noise, I'm like, this is the best feeling ever. Yeah,

800
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: And so I can compete clearly. That's how I like

801
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: to compete. It's really clear. Yeah, And so that feeling

802
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: is I loved it, and so I was able to

803
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: perform at a really high level, and you know, I

804
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: got knocked out in the Semis, but it kind of

805
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: put me number two in the world heading into the

806
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 2: last event. But on the flip, so people would see

807
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: me go and do that and they're just like, you're nuts,

808
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 2: like they were trip. They were glorifying it, like blah

809
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: blah blah. But on the other side of that, it

810
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: came at a huge emotional cost, like massive, like I

811
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: should not have been doing that. So you know, I'd

812
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: go to the beach and gladly asked me to do

813
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: one thing, and I'd almost feel like snapping my board

814
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: in half, Like was that at that kind of point

815
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: where I'd like leave the beach because I was so

816
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: I was doing my absolute best to show up and

817
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: surf for heat, but anybody asked anything more of me,

818
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: I was done. Like so I'd end up just crying

819
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: the shower and then put myself back together and then

820
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: come back out and do it all again. And so

821
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: that's kind of the things that I you know, I've

822
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: done that, and I don't agree with it and so yeah,

823
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: you know, I obviously when competed in Mali and one

824
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: in Mali and that was all great and well, and

825
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: but yeah, my knee was still ripped off, and so

826
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: it was kind of one of those things. It was

827
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: like after that, that's when I really I was burnt out,

828
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: Like I was like, you know, I was, Yeah, I

829
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: was so tired, and you know, so when I won,

830
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, this is cool, but I'm I'm tired.

831
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: And so I was like, I'm really tired. And I

832
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 2: still hadn't got I still wasn't seen a pych at

833
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 2: that point either. So my articulation skills, like I I

834
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: felt so much, we had no ability to be like

835
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: I feel like this, I feel like this. I was

836
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 2: just like, bottle it all up, Tyler, like get it together,

837
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: then lose it in your own time, and then come

838
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: back and then bottle it all up again. And then

839
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: this is really kind of cop it all in the

840
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: chin and deal with it in your own private time, right,

841
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: And and so that's something I've worked really hard on

842
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 2: the last few years not to do that, like, because

843
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: I feel like I prioritize the athlete to a certain

844
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: point where the human in me would just just like

845
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: or wear screwed. But the athlete's great, Like we'd be

846
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: you know, we're winning, We're doing all this stuff, and

847
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 2: I'd sit there just going, how is anyone buying this?

848
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: Like how anyone thinking this is okay? Like I've been

849
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: medically told that I should not be doing this, and

850
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: I continue to do it, Like I just didn't have

851
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: that support network or none of it was never installed

852
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 2: in me as a child, either as a child athlete

853
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: to stop. So so I seen there going, yeah, I'm

854
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: doing my absolute best, and I was, yeah, doing what

855
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 2: I knew how, but no one had taught me any

856
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 2: other way. There's certain situations you can do that in,

857
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: but you have to understand the cost. The cost is

858
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: what I wasn't willing to pay. I was like, I

859
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: don't understand. Well, I'm so good here, but I'm an

860
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: absolute wreck here, Like I'm pushing myself beyond above and

861
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: beyond my own limits to perform at this level to

862
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 2: the extent that you know, every time I took the

863
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: brace off my knee would had no control, like no

864
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: control of money. And yeah, so I don't advise doing that,

865
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: but yeah, like and that's always the context of those

866
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: two titles is always really interesting. Yeah, looking back at it,

867
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: like because people are like, oh, you were nuts, and

868
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: I'm like my friends who knew what was going on

869
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 2: in my life was like, oh, yep, you're pushing it. Okay,

870
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: you're really pushing it. Yeah, Like okay, it's gonna stand

871
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: by Yeah. And then obviously things changed after that anyway.

872
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, So how long after that was it

873
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: that you got sick? How long and what was it

874
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: when did you first start to notice that something wasn't right.

875
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: It was six months after I got influenzer ray and

876
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: then like they told me I would get better and

877
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 2: I didn't. So like instantly they were like, yeah, you'll

878
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: feel better, like teas a bunch of drugs. Take these,

879
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: you'll feel better. I didn't feel better, you know. I

880
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: kept getting worse and worse and worse, and then there

881
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: was that whole Yeah that took me out for two

882
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: years anyway, And I think it's kind of like really

883
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 2: weird because people were like, Oh, do you think because

884
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 2: of the state you're in beforehand, that that I'm like, no,

885
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: physically that should have Physically what happened to me anyway,

886
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: should have killed me. Like it felt like that, Like

887
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: I had fevers of thirty nine for a week, my

888
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: brain literally fright in my head. My heart rate ran

889
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: and at like one hundred and ten or one hundred

890
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 2: and twenty, and my resting heart rates forty. So like

891
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 2: all of these huge physical things happened when all of

892
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: that did happen, and so then I had all of

893
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: a sudden they diagnosed me with post viral and which

894
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: is like this an umbrella. They don't really understand what

895
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: that is on how it affects. But anyway, like I

896
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: developed a nervous system disorder, a neur inflammatory disorder, so

897
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: my brain was constantly on fire, like I had all

898
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:43,959
Speaker 2: like lout light, sound sensitivity, neurological function issues, cognitive issues. Yeah,

899
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: and then you have my whole guts. And then I

900
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: had like hectic chest pains and anyway, two years of ACNE.

901
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 2: I don't advise that to anyone either, but that's like

902
00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 2: that's this illness, and yeah, it was. It's always I

903
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,959
Speaker 2: think people always like, you know, like that's is that boss,

904
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: because you were just so burned out before. I'm like, no,

905
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: that's separate. However, what I was doing before would not

906
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 2: have helped me or it did not help me during

907
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: the illness. You know, being an athlete and being sick

908
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 2: isn't something that goes together. Yeah, it's like the opposite.

909
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, So could you get out of bed

910
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: during that time? No?

911
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: So like when at the like the worst of the worst,

912
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 2: I couldn't leave, Like I essentially couldn't really leave my bedroom.

913
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 2: I had to have the blind like light was like

914
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: a trip sound stimulation conversation. So essentially I was isolated

915
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: for like a year and a half just hanging out

916
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: with my own thoughts. It was a fun time, so

917
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: I don't I make a joke of it, but it

918
00:49:54,560 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: was really bad. Yeah, and that's the thing, Like it's

919
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: that's illness. That's the illness I had. And I think

920
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: that came with you know first, and because it was

921
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: an athlete, like I don't stop it. Pain, pain doesn't

922
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: register to me, like you know, we're put in painful

923
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: situations all the time, and so it doesn't really if

924
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: I'm in pain, it's like that's interesting, oh whatever, but

925
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: and I'll keep going. But with this, like I was

926
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 2: in so much pain consistently that I still didn't stop,

927
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 2: Like it it didn't register that that was an alarming

928
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: amount of pain for me to be in to the

929
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: point where you know, I'll get out of bed, but

930
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 2: I'd be like wow, like these are yep, everything feels terrible.

931
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 2: I'd be like I'm fine, Like I just keep going.

932
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: And then so like what really made me stop was

933
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 2: like the physically would break me first and then mentally psychologically,

934
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: that's was what it would break me. And I still

935
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't stop, and then it just my brain would just

936
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: go nuts and I'd be like, oh my push myself

937
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 2: and it was like yeah, like doctors were telling me

938
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 2: that I was to be on twenty four hour care,

939
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 2: like that I had to be on twenty four hour care,

940
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 2: that I couldn't drive, I couldn't do anything. How did

941
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: you get yourself out of that?

942
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: Oh?

943
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: Through neurorehab. So eventually, like I was had so many needles,

944
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: so many tests, everything that you could possibly Like, I

945
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 2: ran at that thing like an athlete would run at anything,

946
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: and I didn't stop running at it. And eventually I

947
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: got to the point where I was like, it's my brain.

948
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 2: Something is wrong with my brain. I get my stomach,

949
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: I get that I can't even like like they took

950
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 2: me off all these foods, and you know, I started

951
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 2: it between seventy two and seventy five kilos, drop down

952
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: to fifty eight and like sixty kilos and that was

953
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: where it was. It's like eighteen kilos. Who yeah, so

954
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 2: like that's and I had no choice over that. Like that,

955
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 2: it just fell off me. And it wouldn't like it

956
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: didn't matter what I would eat, it wouldn't come back on.

957
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 2: And so obviously my brothers have both had you know,

958
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: ones had a TBI. The ones had serious concussions as well,

959
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 2: and they were seeing a guy called Brett Jarros. I've

960
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: known and had a relationship with Brett as well. I

961
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: knew him as a nerve guy, okay, but he was

962
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: working on my brother's brains, and they were kind of

963
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 2: like like all my symptoms. Like if I wasn't diagnosed

964
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 2: with pytos viral, I probably would have said I had

965
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: a concussion because and it's people were like, oh, I'm

966
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 2: I was really well versed in concussion and traumatic brain injuries.

967
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: I just watched my brother and younger brother and my

968
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 2: sister and my mom. My mom's had two brain tumors.

969
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: My sisters had also had a TBI and serious concussions. Wow,

970
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 2: so's my brother Owen, and so's my younger brother, and

971
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 2: then my dad's also got neurological issues as well. So like,

972
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: I not medically anything, but very well versed in what

973
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: symptoms and what it's like to deal with someone in

974
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 2: that state and how they respond and what they like.

975
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: If I didn't know that, if yeah, like they weren't

976
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: telling me that, I'd post far older, mean like concustirs

977
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 2: like don't yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know why where

978
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: that came from. But like just I would have just

979
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: been like go go sit in a room, yeah yeah,

980
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:52,439
Speaker 2: or go sleep for eight months. But I didn't sleep either.

981
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 2: That was the other thing. It's like for two years,

982
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: I didn't sleep. So like I'd have these episodes at

983
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: night where at two am every night, it's where you

984
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: body gets into its most relaxed state and starts to

985
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 2: go into like deep sleep and all that kind of stuff.

986
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: I'd relax so much that my body would think it

987
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 2: was dying, and so it would dis like adrenaline spike

988
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 2: through the roof to the point where I wake up

989
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: and I'd be freaking out and think I was dying.

990
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 2: And so. But yeah. So eventually the way I dug

991
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 2: out was the guy that had done my brother's brains yeah,

992
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: and was treating my brothers. I eventually called him and

993
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: was like what up And he told me he's like, look,

994
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: I can't say anything other than I can give you

995
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 2: an assessment. He gave me an assessment and it was nuts.

996
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 2: Like within seconds, he's like, look, if I can bring

997
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 2: all this stuff on, like within like first he's like,

998
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 2: lie down, lie down. He took my heart rate, stand up,

999
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: took my heart rate, and so do you feel anything.

1000
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I'm about to rip your head off,

1001
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 2: Like I feel so angry, I mean agitated, I'm about

1002
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 2: to cry, overwhelmed like people over there that are talking

1003
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 2: the wind that makes me go nuts. Like he's like,

1004
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 2: if I can bring all this on, I can stop it.

1005
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 2: Whoa yeah. And so what he found was I had brainstem, cerebellum,

1006
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 2: prefrontal cortex, pardal lobe my eyes. There's all like official

1007
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 2: names for this. I don't know them anymore. But every

1008
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: time I looked at anything, my eyes would shift thirteen times.

1009
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 2: So like for me standing in one spot, I'd used

1010
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 2: to just stare at one thing. That's when I was sick.

1011
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 2: I'd just stare at it and that's it. That's how

1012
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: I kind of survived. But He's like, as soon as

1013
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: I moved my eyes, that would go on everywhere. And

1014
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: so I had all these different different neurological symptoms and issues.

1015
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: And so once he assessed that, he's like, he's in

1016
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 2: your reheab program, and yeah, I worked my ass off. Yeah,

1017
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 2: like I don't I think people, you know, he was like, oh, yeah,

1018
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 2: seven weeks I wasn't in the water. I'm like, yeah,

1019
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: seven weeks I was in the water. But it was

1020
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 2: like the next logical step in my recovery. But how

1021
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 2: hard I worked to get to that point and to

1022
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 2: get to this point, like it's like, yeah, it's really

1023
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: hard to describe, Like it's like running a marathon every

1024
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 2: day in your head. And then emotionally, I had I

1025
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 2: had PTSD. I was diagnosed with severe PTSD, and I

1026
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 2: had these like hectic flashbacks and so like, and I

1027
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 2: had like a disassociation thing, so I'd be like I

1028
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: wouldn't know where I was all the time, which was

1029
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: always really hard. I wouldn't know where my body was,

1030
00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: so I would would have no like idea on on

1031
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 2: so many different things, and yep, it was all part

1032
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 2: of it, which is super well. But I think the

1033
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: messaging throughout it is like for me now, anytime I

1034
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 2: see you know, people obviously talk to me about post

1035
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: viral all the time, and it's like, I'm always like,

1036
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 2: the brain is one of those things that it's just yeah,

1037
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 2: like the function of it and what it actually does

1038
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 2: is like literally controls everything and if that's not working right,

1039
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 2: then how on earth is anything else working? Right? Yeah,

1040
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: it was a lot, but that's how I got out.

1041
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 2: I got out with Brett Jarros and he did the

1042
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: whole program. He now runs my performance program, like my

1043
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: physical program, so he integrates brain, nervous system, breath work

1044
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: and physical. Wow, it's crazy to hear all that and

1045
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: then to see you like this now and even like

1046
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 2: to see you compete in the other day, like it's

1047
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 2: quite incredible, Yeah, that you've been able to do that. Yeah,

1048
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 2: Like I trip. He told me the odds the other

1049
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: day and I was like, like, the odds are nuts

1050
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 2: and definitely not in my favor, and he was just

1051
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 2: like yeah, like but yeah, so to be And that's

1052
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 2: kind of part of the thing. Like, as much as

1053
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 2: I get frustrated about different things, the fact that I

1054
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 2: can still go out and talk yeah, is like I

1055
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 2: just trip on that, like you know, even and it's

1056
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,479
Speaker 2: I think people like, oh, you've been healthy for a while.

1057
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, yeah, I've been healthy for physically healthy

1058
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 2: for a year, but mentally in psychologically I was shattered,

1059
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,479
Speaker 2: like you just I think that was the I didn't

1060
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: really realize, because when you're in that mode of survival,

1061
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: you can't take stock.

1062
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, every week on the show, I have a question

1063
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: from my grandma and from a five year old, so

1064
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: I might ask the question from Freda who's five years old.

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Speaker 2: First, yepikhere is your favorite beach to surf at? That's

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00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 2: very cute. My favorite beach is an island in Fiji.

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00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 2: It's called Namoto, and it's very cool. It's just cool,

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00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 2: like it's just like you go fishing, snorkeling, surfing, like

1069
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: it's got everything that you could ever like, hopeful.

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Speaker 1: Nice, ask a question from granny.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Tilet, can you tell me a moment in your

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00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 2: life where you have felt the most scared? That's cool,

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00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: that's so cool. Yeah, I think the most scared I've

1074
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 2: ever been is in the last few years, like like

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00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: I've been scared before, but not like this. This is like, ah,

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00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 2: I survive this one, oh if I am okay, cool,

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01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 2: And then we just sat there for a year and

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01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: a half. So I think it was like a prolonged

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01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 2: that it felt like a prolonged near death experience where

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01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 2: I just didn't stop every day. So it was kind

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01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,919
Speaker 2: of I was scared and like still am today. Yeah,

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01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 2: and yeah that's I definitely yep, good question. But yeah,

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01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 2: definitely in the last few years, I feel like I

1084
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: was a little bit definitely athlete mentality, like unstoppable, like

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01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 2: there's nothing going to stop me, and I'm like I

1086
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 2: got stopped so bad, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,

1087
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:40,959
Speaker 2: that makes sense.

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01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, coming back going to the Maui Pro. Yeah, then

1089
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: there was a fatal shark attack and then then.

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Speaker 2: It was a great time that one.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, full on, full on, and it then got

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01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: moved to pipe. Yeah, and you became the first woman

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01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: to ever win at pipe.

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01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was that like? That was like talk about

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01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 2: a week. It was so wild. It was. I think

1096
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 2: that moment it's it's hard to comprehend, but then also

1097
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 2: really easy it's it's one of the greatest moments I

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01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 2: think in our sport. Yeah, and it's not because I won.

1099
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 2: It's because of what it meant to every woman that

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01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 2: had come before me, had put time in that lineup,

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01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: who'd made themselves visible in that lineup and taken up

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01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: space in that lineup, And I think it's a real

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01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 2: dedication to them that we were able to do that.

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01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 2: And you know, obviously coming through traumatic, you know, a

1105
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 2: traumatic event, and to have that opportunity, which is such

1106
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 2: a light thing to have after such a traumatic period

1107
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 2: an event in Maui. So to be in that moment

1108
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 2: and just like you know, completely absorbed on the on

1109
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 2: the day. But then I went back and watched it,

1110
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 2: Like I watched Blue Crash. Oh yeah, yeah, what a movie. Yeah,

1111
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 2: And I went back and watched that, and then I

1112
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 2: watched like the whole day in full, and was this.

1113
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 2: I just started crying, Like there's this way where Carissa

1114
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: and Taddy split left and right, and I just started crying,

1115
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 2: and I was just like this is so cool, like

1116
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 2: oh my God, like amazing, Like I I just think

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01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 2: that to be a part of that moment was one thing,

1118
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 2: But to know how hard every woman's worked, and to

1119
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 2: know how hard Jesse whiley Dyer's works. Yeah, to put

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Speaker 2: us in that lineup and all while being the designated

1121
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 2: survivor of the Like we had a COVID outbreak there

1122
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 2: and we had so many you know, fatal shark attack

1123
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 2: and she was on the ground and ran this like

1124
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 2: she was running the show. Wow. And to see it

1125
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 2: all come together in such a moment for our sport,

1126
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 2: for women's sport as well, I think it's pretty pretty incredible.

1127
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 2: So I think just being a part of it, you know,

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01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 2: whether I want or not, I would have just been

1129
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 2: like so like yeah, like it was just a huge moment.

1130
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah. Just like listening to you talk about that,

1131
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:27,959
Speaker 1: it's really cool.

1132
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1133
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: And I also think it's very beautiful the way that

1134
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: you actually acknowledge the people that have come before you.

1135
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I didn't put time in. I've never put

1136
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 2: like I did when I was baby, like sixteen seventeen,

1137
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 2: put time in out in the lineup. But do you

1138
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 2: get to a point when you're like, well, it's never

1139
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 2: going to be able to pull it off because we're

1140
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 2: never going to be out here. But there was women

1141
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 2: that came before me that like put time in, like

1142
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: they did the work, and it was kind of one

1143
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 2: of those moments where I kind of just was like,

1144
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 2: was the one that ended up like ended up in

1145
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 2: that position. Yeah, But they're the ones were the reason

1146
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 2: why I could do that. Like it was never just me,

1147
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 2: Like I didn't do any of that. I was just

1148
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 2: a kid that on the day had the skill set

1149
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 2: to be able to kind of put a heat together. Yeah,

1150
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: And I wasn't even the best on day, you know,

1151
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 2: Carusa definitely was. I was just a smarter surfer on

1152
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:17,439
Speaker 2: the day.

1153
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: Back on Home Soil, Yeah, at Tweethead, yes.

1154
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 2: Yes, Cabareata yeah, Cabareta.

1155
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. The airhorn went off to start the heat, and

1156
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: you took a knee for four hundred and thirty nine

1157
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: seconds with Black Lives Matter painted on your board to

1158
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: represent the four hundred and thirty nine First Nations people's

1159
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: lives had been lost in custody since nineteen ninety one,

1160
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: which that number has since increased. Yeah, with five deaths

1161
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: in custody in March alone this year. What do you

1162
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: think you've taken on in your role with your platform

1163
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: in that space.

1164
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 2: Look, I think that was just I think it's just

1165
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 2: humanity in human rights. And you know, it's one of

1166
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 2: those things where I kind of I hadn't been in

1167
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 2: this sport for a while, and it was kind of

1168
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 2: a bit like why aren't we doing more? Like I

1169
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 2: never got it, And we kind of come from an

1170
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 2: a political background as a sport, and we consider ourselves

1171
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 2: really progressive though, but I also think if you can

1172
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 2: be a political it kind of means that you can

1173
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 2: somehow be above politics and that politics don't affect you.

1174
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 2: And but politics of I have come to kind of

1175
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 2: see as human rights and everything to do with humanity

1176
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 2: and how people are treated. And so, yeah, you know,

1177
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,919
Speaker 2: it was only I think it was a week ago

1178
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 2: that it's been thirty years since the Royal Commission into

1179
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 2: Black Desks and Custody has taken place, and you know,

1180
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 2: I think it was over three hundred recommendations and barely

1181
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 2: anything has changed and none of them being implemented, or

1182
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 2: barely any of them have been implemented, and yeah, and

1183
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 2: it's only getting worse. So I think when when that

1184
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 2: was originally done, it was like twelve percent of people

1185
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 2: incarceration we were indigenous, and now it's up around twenty

1186
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 2: nine percent and juvenile justice it's worse, it's fifty percent,

1187
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 2: and yeahsis not good enough. And I think it's you know,

1188
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 2: as a young athlete and you know, I'm my sport

1189
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 2: is mainly white, and it's you know, it's really male, sis,

1190
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 2: hetero dominated, and you know, seeing that and you know,

1191
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 2: seeing our kind of standpoint on these things, I was

1192
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 2: just like, not good enough and kind of you know

1193
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 2: it's I just yeah, it was for me, it was like, no,

1194
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 2: this is how I show up as a human being,

1195
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 2: and this is what I can do with my platform

1196
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 2: and try and start having hard conversations within surfing and

1197
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 2: how we need to do better because I think we

1198
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 2: are a sports. I think we're exempt and generally I

1199
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 2: just do and that's across the board. And I think

1200
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 2: we've been really ignorant in our origins of kind of

1201
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 2: going no, if you don't bring it up, we don't

1202
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 2: have to talk about it. And so yeah, you know

1203
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 2: that's racism, sexism, homophobia, Like it's really intersectional across that

1204
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 2: and kind of learning about intersectionality and how to show

1205
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 2: up and kind of unlearn and relearn. I think it's

1206
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 2: a really important process. And yeah, it's something that I

1207
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 2: never with my platform. It's obviously privately that's it's how

1208
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 2: I've always lived, but publicly I've kind of have always

1209
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 2: been a bit scared of my platform and the fact

1210
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,919
Speaker 2: that I have always kind of been on this side

1211
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 2: of it but just too too scared to use it

1212
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 2: and always felt too not prepared, not educated enough, insecure

1213
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 2: in that kind of area. So but coming back, I

1214
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 2: was like, it's not good enough, though, And the big

1215
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 2: difference for me was looking at women's sports. I was

1216
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 2: obsessed with the w n b A and I just

1217
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 2: kept seeing them show up and show up every time

1218
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 2: and and make themselves seeing herd felt and you know,

1219
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 2: I watch what they they've done with when and how

1220
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 2: they showed up to the twenty twenty season and the

1221
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 2: season before that as well, and was truly inspired by

1222
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 2: their their bravery, their courage and how they did that

1223
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 2: and how they have created change. And you know, the

1224
01:08:55,960 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 2: NBA followed them, you know, and and how out they're

1225
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 2: collabing with the WNBAY. I just I don't know. I

1226
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 2: just thought that was this women using their voices and

1227
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 2: women like they've always had it, but like I've never

1228
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 2: seen it, And that was the thing that always kind

1229
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 2: of got me. I was like, why have I not

1230
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 2: known who these women are? You know, why don't you know?

1231
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 2: I was always tripped out by that, and they're the

1232
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,719
Speaker 2: women that are really changing the world, Like I just yeah,

1233
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 2: for me, it was just like, I mean, I have

1234
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 2: this ridiculous platform and was kind of like this is

1235
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 2: something that I is. I feel the human rights and

1236
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 2: something like yeah, no, that's what I'm going to do.

1237
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 2: And so yeah, it's been.

1238
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: An interesting process, but it also means that you can

1239
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 1: bring your humanity to your sport, and I think serving

1240
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: is one of those sports that kind of needs to

1241
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: reckon with that a bit. Yeah, it's cool seeing those

1242
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:00,759
Speaker 1: women like SUPERB and yeah, the Power Couple, SUPERD Megan Rappino.

1243
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 1: I think that's how you say name Rapinoe delivering speeches

1244
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: at Congress around equal pay and the US women's national

1245
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: soccer team and the incredible work that they're doing over there.

1246
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: And I think you've probably faced a fair bit of

1247
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: backlash around this whole idea that politics should stay out

1248
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: of sport. What is your response to that, this idea

1249
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: that you're just meant to be an athlete and that's

1250
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, obviously I don't agree with it, and.

1251
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 2: I just think sports is such a way that we

1252
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:42,679
Speaker 2: can communicate, you know, I read I think Billy Jing

1253
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 2: King had a quote like sports microcosm microcosmism for society,

1254
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 2: And you know, I've kind of started to learn a

1255
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 2: whole bunch of different stuff about that, like and around

1256
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 2: polo and around human rights. And I'm nowhere near Like

1257
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 2: I left school at year eight, year nine, so like,

1258
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,760
Speaker 2: I'm not educated at all in any of this. You know,

1259
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 2: I was always really raised to be a political and

1260
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 2: in this sport that's like shut up and solf. Yeah,

1261
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 2: and it you know, part of the reason why I

1262
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 2: think I was always angry from such a young age

1263
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 2: is because no one was saying anything about the dignities

1264
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 2: within our own sport. Everyone was kind of just like, no,

1265
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 2: they don't exist, when you know, you know yet they do.

1266
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: And so.

1267
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I now a lot more vocal and yeah,

1268
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 2: like I for me, it's like if I show up

1269
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 2: with my values and my humanity, I'm not really worried

1270
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 2: that there's a backlash to it, you know. I think

1271
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 2: it's part of changing and there's always going to be

1272
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 2: that tension before change. Happens, and I think surfing has

1273
01:11:55,720 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 2: that kind of superiority complex. We're counter culture, we are progressive,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, like I'm very much against that obviously.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you talk about it, you kind of play it

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Speaker 1: down in a way that it's just humanity. But I

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Speaker 1: still do think it takes an immense amount of courage

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Speaker 1: to put yourself out there and to use your platform

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Speaker 1: to be so vocal on those things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, thank you. I finish every episode

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Speaker 2: with three would you rather questions? Number one?

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Speaker 1: Would you rather win a world title at pipe or

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Speaker 1: on your home beach in Karbarah.

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Speaker 2: Brutal? Can I say if the swell conditions were appropriate

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01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 2: at home? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, the swell can be good

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01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 2: at home. Yeah yeah, at home? Oh okay, nice. Well,

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Speaker 2: I just think some of the boys and some of

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01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 2: the fam down there, if I just said at pipe,

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01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 2: they'd be like, wait, what did you just say you

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01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 2: could win one here in this town. I'm like, yeah,

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01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 2: we're all going to, like, you know, the after party

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01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 2: would be up at the soccer club and like, anyway,

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01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 2: all right at home?

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Speaker 1: Number two, would you rather compete in a hate against

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Speaker 1: Owen or Mikey.

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Speaker 2: Mikey, Yeah, I don't know. He's yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I love that kid. I love one too, But no,

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Speaker 2: Mike and me like because we're the closest in age

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Speaker 2: and we're like, he's always been my like every big moment,

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01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 2: almost all of them you'll see like in big waves

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01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 2: stuff and stuff you'll always see like they'll be me.

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01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 2: And then he's just out of frames, like and he's

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01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 2: like all the big stuff that I've done almost yeah,

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Speaker 2: nine percent of it. Anyway, he's always been there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I have mad respect for him and what he's done.

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01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's sick. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Number three, would you rather a beach filled with sand

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Speaker 1: or astro turf all the way from the car park to.

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Speaker 2: As all the way? I hate sand. I hate salt.

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Speaker 2: It's like we hate sand and salt. I hate it.

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Speaker 2: It's just like you'll rarely ever see me like go

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01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 2: for a surf and not have a shower after it.

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01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 2: Like I just cannot handle salt, like it gets all crusty.

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01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's not a good time. And sand saying

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01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 2: it's everywhere, like like all my house is always filled

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01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 2: with sand and you're like, I just vacuum. I haven't

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01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 2: even been to the beach. How is there sand everywhere?

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01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 2: And then if you get like plug in the water,

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01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 2: like on the sand, like it's all in your hair.

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Speaker 2: So like every time you go to bed and like down, it's.

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Speaker 1: Just like.

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Speaker 2: Everywhere, you're just like, this is not a good time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Where can people find you on Instagram? Just a tiler?

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Speaker 1: Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Nice, it's pretty straightforward. Good now day.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on today. It's been

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01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: really really cool to have a chat. We're down to

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01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: the beach the other day and I think you were

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01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:12,759
Speaker 1: standing about three meters behind me, and I was too nervous.

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01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, yeah, no, I'm always like just

1331
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 2: come up and tell me because I'm like I think

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01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 2: people like I'm more introverted than people know sometimes as

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01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 2: well because obviously like we're always like super public and

1334
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 2: so everyone's like, oh you love to, you know, be session.

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01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, like you rarely ever see me be social,

1336
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 2: so like, yeah, yeah, just come up. Nice.

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01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, I love everything that you're doing, everything that

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01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: you stand for, and it's been incredible to see the

1339
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 1: way that you've the amount of work that you've put

1340
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: in to come back and to be where you're at,

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01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:49,719
Speaker 1: so I can't wait to keep watching.

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01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. I'm a big fan of what you do,

1343
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 2: so I'm just like kind of fangirling out, but like

1344
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 2: I'm playing at cool, so it's, you know, like you

1345
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 2: kidding me. Yep. Anyway, I'll keep that like I'm trying

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01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 2: to play it mellow. Thanks. Yeah, thank you pretigate that

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01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 2: big fan. Yeah, how good? Thanks so much for listening.

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1349
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,560
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01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:21,600
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01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,759
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