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Speaker 1: Joining us on the line to talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: more about this and plenty of other things. Is the

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister evil Orla, good morning to your Chief minister.

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Speaker 2: Morning Katie, good morning now, Chief.

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Speaker 1: Minister, why was this needed when it was something that

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Speaker 2: So the one in Alice Springs, we had to use

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Speaker 2: So really it is about I thought, anyway, again a

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Speaker 1: So is there any concerns that that might happen from

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Speaker 1: Well. I know that change is also passed around liquor

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Speaker 2: Well, but the two kilometer law we've already actually got

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Speaker 2: But it is about being able to tip out their

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Katie. At certain times of the year,

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Speaker 1: of time. Chief Andster a few quick ones. Just firstly,

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Speaker 1: I get that. I understand that there is obviously, you

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Speaker 2: that's the fact. In order to general she's done her

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Speaker 1: You're confident that we're getting the best possible deal for

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and said I've had discussions and conversations with Defense

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Speaker 1: See, Chief Minister. The COLP has released a statement this

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Speaker 2: So yeah, First of all, nobody wants to see anybody

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Speaker 2: but you know, these are difficult. Often we're seeing people

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Speaker 2: it's one that you'll continue to do, continue to work on.

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister. We know parliament resumes this week. I'm going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, we might, we might get you in contact.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was three times a year. Again, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So a big one for me is the ad valorum.

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Speaker 2: And obviously the curfew legislation will be debated as well.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, a good week in parliament. They're not Katie.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say this, This will be actually our

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Speaker 2: We're very strategic. We have done a great job as

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Speaker 1: Well, you have had a big majority for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: Chief easier to do so.

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Speaker 2: Counts the first term and there's only two of them.

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Speaker 2: Yea a government.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, I would expect you to say that

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Speaker 1: as the Chiefmentess, so I would expect you to certainly

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Speaker 1: be promoting the achieve their.

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Speaker 2: General business day. The SELP completely stuff their sealped their

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Speaker 2: general business Day last Wednesday, and anybody who watched Parliament

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Speaker 2: would see that. So we're doing we do very well.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to Parliament, so you know that's that's

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Speaker 2: part of the equation. That's part of what you do

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Speaker 2: as a politician. But a lot of people don't watch

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Speaker 2: it or care.

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Speaker 1: But no, well look what sometimes we sometimes we replay

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Speaker 1: the audio so that they get a bit of a

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Speaker 1: taste very quick. One senior Territory bureaucrat, Sean drabs he's

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Speaker 1: going to be leaving the Northern Territory Public Service in August.

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Speaker 1: I mean, was this a forced retirement?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no no. He thinks he's at

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Speaker 2: the age where he needs to slow down a bit,

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Speaker 2: spend some more time with his wife and he and

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Speaker 2: his mother and they bought a property in Queensland. I

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Speaker 2: don't think he minds me saying that, And he's going

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Speaker 2: to be retiring to Queensland. I'm sure he'll still do

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Speaker 2: some bits and pieces, but he's had a big five

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Speaker 2: years in the Northern Territory. Tough job. Our CEO's are

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Speaker 2: tough jobs. I must say that there's a lot to

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Speaker 2: keep them very busy. But I'll no doubt talk more

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Speaker 2: closer to August around Shawn's career. But I thank Sean

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Speaker 2: for being an outstanding public Servant.

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister Evil Lawler. We better leave it there. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, thank you