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Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily Os. It's Friday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty eighth of October. My name is Sam.

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Speaker 3: I'm zara.

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Speaker 2: The Socceroo's Australia's men's national soccer team have issued a

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Speaker 2: collective statement protesting human rights in Qatar and that's where

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Speaker 2: the FIFA World Cup will take place next month. We'll

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Speaker 2: explain the human rights situation in Qatar and why the

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Speaker 2: Sokkaroos wanted to speak out, But first, Sarah, what is

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Speaker 4: Workers across Australia will be entitled to ten days of

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Speaker 4: paid domestic and family violence leave from February after legislation

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Speaker 4: domestic and family violence leave per year, but Prime Minister

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Speaker 4: Anthony Alberezi said the change would allow people to deal

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Speaker 2: Up to seventy members of the Australian Defense Force will

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Speaker 2: be deployed to the United Kingdom to train Ukrainian soldiers

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Speaker 2: in their fight against Russia. The agreement is part of

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Speaker 4: Health Minister Mark Butler has said the government is awaiting

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Speaker 4: advice on the potential rollout of a fifth COVID nineteen vaccine.

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Speaker 4: Butler said that the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunization

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Speaker 4: jab for people particularly vulnerable to COVID nineteen, and added

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Speaker 2: And today's good news, same sex marriage is now legal

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Speaker 4: The Soccaroo Slam are the first team of thirty two

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Speaker 2: So sixteen Soccarou's players released a video.

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Speaker 5: We have learned the decision to host the World Cup

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Speaker 5: who have suffered are not just numbers. Like the migrants

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Speaker 5: as players. We fully support the rights of the LGBTI

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Speaker 3: Addressing these issues is not easy and we do not

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Speaker 4: This must include establishing That.

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Speaker 4: I feel like so much of the conversation has been

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Speaker 2: Well, it came up specifically in the videos. Now, homosexuality

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Speaker 4: But it seems like our national men's football team have

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Speaker 2: They've turned that exactly on its head. The statement says,

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Speaker 2: Well, Qatar's Head of States said in a televised speech

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Speaker 2: He said that international critiques have included quote, fabrications and

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