1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Then you must see Australian documentary Disconnect Me, examine society's 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: ever increasing addiction to our devices. In particular, I would 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: say our phone and documentary maker Alex Lycos is joining 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: us now. Good morning, Alex. 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 2: Good morning. Thank you very much for having me so. 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: At a scale of one to ten, how shocked were 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: you at how addicted people are to their devices? 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's pretty common that we're all very 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: addictive to our devices, but I wasn't aware of just 10 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: how much the young people are addicted to their devices. 11 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: We interviewed a fifteen year old kid who is on 12 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: his phone twelve hours a day. 13 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: Yes, just fell over that bit at watching the trailer 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: that's on that. I mean, that's who has that time 15 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: half the day. 16 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 2: Well, not only that, And then he follows it up 17 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: by saying he sleeps for eight hours a day. 18 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: Well that four hours for us to live his life. 19 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: Yes, I've heard. 20 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: Basically it's pretty self explanatory, isn't it. Disc Connect Me 21 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: is about the addiction we have to these things. 22 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Basically I've read thirty Days Without my Technology to 23 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 2: see how I would go. I was struggling a little 24 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: bit with with being present in my relationships and that 25 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: rabbit hole of constantly scrolling through my social media and 26 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 2: you know, you fall into that trap of comparing your 27 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: life to others and getting a little envious. I needed 28 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: a rabbit I needed a bit of a circuit breaker, 29 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: and this was a good way for me to kind 30 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: of hold myself to account. But we look at holistically, 31 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: you know, you know, as I said, you know children, teenagers, 32 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: us adults, how we are engaging with technology and how 33 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: it's Is it serving us or is it controlling us? 34 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: It can be dangerous kind of Alex, I think I 35 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: heard a statistic in the news the other day, or 36 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: a story in the news the other day. Alex said, 37 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: jen Z says, you know, we're complaining about being lonely. 38 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: They've never been lonelier. And I thought, well, that kind 39 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: of we laugh at the generation that forced us to 40 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: have nothing to do with people in the flesh and 41 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: now complaining they're lonely. It's like, well, kelcor Pries, do 42 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: you think that throw very well? 43 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: Look, look you've got to remember too right there. You know, 44 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 2: these these social media companies, the executives, these engineers, they're 45 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: working day and night to try to keep us on 46 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: our phone for a long Yeah, that's their job. The 47 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: more time we spend on our phone, obviously, the more 48 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: money they're making. Now, you know, us in our middle 49 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: age whatever, I can be conscious of that. But for 50 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: the poor children, for the poor kids, I mean, they 51 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: don't have that kind of awareness to understand it, right, 52 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: But they don't even know they're doing it. They don't 53 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: even see it. Yeah, so much of the problem. 54 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, Alex, I work with a guy on the weekend 55 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 3: who said he's trying to combat that thing. I've always 56 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 3: been contactable, you know, through work. So what he did 57 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 3: he got another phone for family and one for work. 58 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 3: But all of a sudden, the guy's got to do 59 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: phones to worry about your backflide it, I think. 60 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 2: But I think that's I think that's kind of what 61 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: the objective of the film is. The film is. You know, 62 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: if it's a light entertaining movie, don't think it's some 63 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 2: drive documentary. It's not want people to have fun. You know, 64 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: the film's actually interacted. But the idea of the film 65 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: is to trigger some discussion. If you can discuss with 66 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: your partner or your children or yourself, do a bit 67 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: of an order yourself about how you're using your phone? 68 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: Is it healthy? Can you make some minor amendments, you know, 69 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: for example, myself, since I got my phone back, I 70 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: took all the social media apps off my phone. So 71 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: I still use social media, right, I still do it 72 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: because they're good tools. Right, I've got some friends all 73 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: over the world, but I use them when I'm on 74 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: my laptop predominantly in the morning and at night. But 75 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: during the day, my phone is not pinging every five seconds. 76 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: I'm not waiting at the coffee shop for my coffee, 77 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: scrolling mindlessly through someone, you know, pictures of someone who's 78 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: just gone to why while it's raining here in Sydney, 79 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: you know it's feeling work? 80 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Alex you mentioned a moment ago about you know, 81 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: some of the younger the kids, and how they don't 82 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: really have the ability to turn off and see it 83 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: the way it is. Are we because we still live 84 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: in a bit of a cusp situation. Half of us 85 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: did survive our lives without these things, and then there's 86 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: a generation which don't know any different. Are we, in 87 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: all seriousness at risk of mutating the brain to you know, 88 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: to become like the phone is just an extension in 89 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: the hand of the way they live, I think. 90 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: So, I think that's where we're headed. And the documentary 91 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: kind of asks that question as well, where are we 92 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 2: going to be in twenty years if we've moved so 93 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 2: much in the last twenty years? Relate biology? Yeah, yeah, 94 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 2: we actually interview a person, a Spanish person who actually 95 00:04:54,839 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: identifies himself as a cybernetic organism because he has not attached, 96 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: not attacked, inserted an antenna into his brain right right right, 97 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: so his colorblind, so he hears color through the antenna. 98 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 2: It was done illegally, but done illegally. Yeah. Yeah, But 99 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 2: if everybody else, you know, you're talking about neurlink and 100 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 2: developing the brain ship, which is basically a processor to 101 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: make the brain work better. If everybody else has inserted 102 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: a processor to make their brain more efficient, more more productive, 103 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: what are you going to do and sit on the fence? 104 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: Probably not right? 105 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 3: Is it a black mirror episode? We're freaking us out. 106 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 3: Just quickly, Alex, before you go back. At least when 107 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 3: I've been to a few media are in media, go 108 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 3: to a movie previews sometimes and we see the fear 109 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: on people around us, and maybe sometimes we've been responsible 110 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 3: for this. The fear when they go and look, kick 111 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 3: your phone up in a bag or something before a 112 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: movie preview, because it's not a load to escape. In 113 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 3: the letter give it Away, you must have see a 114 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 3: bit of that fear in people's faces when you're threatening 115 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 3: to take their phones away. 116 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: Oh you're not doing it for this film, No are, 117 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: You're doing the opposite. 118 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: I'm going for me. 119 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 3: Yeah. 120 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: Your film is interactive, isn't it. 121 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: Yes, So basically we said, you know what, we're here 122 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: the announcement at the beginning of the movie and people say, 123 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: you know the Athens Penalty phone and you're like, yeah, right, 124 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: I'm going to phone. Yeah, We're We're like, bugger, you 125 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 2: know this is this humanity is about, you know, you know, 126 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: hypocrisy and contradictions. So you know what, it's film about. 127 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: The fun. We're going to ask you to use it. 128 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: You have a chop top in one hand, it's fun 129 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: in the other. We ask you to kind of you know, 130 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: we are answer yes to are questions. We ask you 131 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: to google stuff we asked you to. We even give 132 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 2: you time to check you notifications if you want. So 133 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: we try and keep it light. 134 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: It's funny, you know, that's quite the intermission. All right, well, Alex, 135 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: the movie is out on Thursdays, the nineteenth, isn't it. 136 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, Thursday, Pallas Cinemas, Rain Square. 137 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: It is Cinemas. Rain Square is a lovely spot. You 138 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: may take your phone. 139 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 2: Alex. 140 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: Thanks for thanks. It's it's such an interesting conversation which 141 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: I think that we do, you know, has to be 142 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: continued a bit more. 143 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely, thanks very much for giving me your time. Much 144 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: appreciate it. 145 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 3: We'll be diving into these direct messages.