1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie wolf On mixed one oh four 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: point nine thanks to Joyce Main Darwin. 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 2: Well. 4 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: I think we all love those scooters, the East scooters 5 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: that we've seen floating around or that we've maybe had 6 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: a crack at ourselves over the long weekend. There's plenty 7 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: of people out and the about on those scooters, but 8 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: there are some areas where there've been a few falls, 9 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: a few concerns, and it's raised the concern obviously of 10 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: some territorians also the Council. And joining me on the 11 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: line right now is Scott Waters, the CEO of the 12 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: Darwin City Council. Good morning to you. 13 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: Scott, Hey, Katie, how you going very well? Now? 14 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: Scott, talk us through what changes we're going to see 15 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: implemented when it comes to these scooters. 16 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll look near on have advised not only Council 17 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: but also the Northern Territory Government that they will be 18 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: implementing a range of new measures that will be flowing 19 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: those scooters down so the ability for them to be 20 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: able to have any speed going through any intersection at all, 21 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 2: enduring writer behavior is at the absolute maximum that it 22 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 2: possibly can be prompting continually for anybody that's on a 23 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: scooter to ensure that they are wearing a helmet, that 24 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: they're riding responsibly, that they haven't consumed alcohol prior to 25 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 2: riding the scooters, and that they are aware of that 26 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: surroundings and the route that they're actually taking while they're 27 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: on the scoot up as they would with any other 28 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: type of mobility device orhether it be a bicycle or 29 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 2: a scooter of their own, or a skateboard or anything. 30 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: You need to be able to have some self awareness 31 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: of what you have around you. 32 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: That's been the concern, hasn't it. I mean, like you know, 33 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: some people I know in not every case of a fall, 34 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: I know, not absolutely everybody's been intoxicated, But I think 35 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: that's been a bit of a worry, is it. Sometimes 36 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: people have a couple of drinks and think, oh, I'm 37 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: going to get on this scooter. It's going to be 38 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: heaps of fun and end up face planting. 39 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, it's been an unfortunate reality of the trial 40 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: that there have been some that have been using the 41 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: scooters late the evening. Seems like a lot of fun, 42 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: but you need to be responsible. You know, it is 43 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: a vehicle like any other and there is legislative change 44 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 2: that's required to be able to enforce the whole range 45 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: of restrictions around that, and the Northern Territory government are 46 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: working to deliver that. But until that time, you know, 47 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: there are some loopholes and what Neuron is asking. But 48 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: then Counsel, as the owner of the roads and the footpaths, 49 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: is for those that are operate them to be able 50 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: to operate them like you would anything else. Be responsible, 51 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 2: understand your surrounding. We're a helmet and don't head through 52 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: an intersection in the middle of the night and expect 53 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 2: that it's going to be a good outcome. Be aware 54 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: of what you're doing and have a look what's happening 55 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: around you. 56 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, do we have any data Scott when it comes 57 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: to like the number of sort of serious fools that 58 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: they've been. 59 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: Look Neuron do and I understand that they will shortly 60 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: be starting to be able to publish some of the 61 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: data that they have had as part of the trial, 62 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,399 Speaker 2: and that's going to be really important to understand as 63 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: to how we then take these devices full because they 64 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: have been a great success and they've done some really 65 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 2: good things for the city. But at the same time, 66 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: we need to be able to understand some of the 67 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 2: other impacts that have occurred. We've worked with you on 68 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 2: to ensure that that cleanliness and the way that the 69 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: scooters are presented are a lot better than what they 70 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: have been. So that's been a criticism and what we 71 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: had during a trial to be able to understand that better. 72 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: They're working on that, but now it's about safety of 73 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: the writer, but then all those around as well too. 74 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: How do we make this better? And I know that 75 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 2: they'll be putting some more details out very soon. 76 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: How much longer does the trial actually go for? 77 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's been extended once already. Sitting from a 78 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: bureaucratic perspective, I'm probably not a physician to push for 79 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: any further extensions. The issue that we do need to 80 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: undertake and have in place is that legislation is in 81 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: place to be able to allow these to operate effectively. 82 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: Once that legislation is in place, we were now to 83 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: go out to the market for an open tender because 84 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: there are other operators across the world that are operating 85 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: these in different cities and we would need to be 86 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: able to test the market around that. Neuron's been a 87 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: fantastic trial, and I'm sure they'd be part of any 88 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,839 Speaker 2: process in the future, but we do need to take 89 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: that out on an open basis. So I think we're 90 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: probably getting to close to two to three months out 91 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 2: on that, and we need to understand a little bit 92 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 2: better as to what next steps is going to be. 93 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: Okay, So at the end of that trial period, realistically, 94 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: as you've said, you're not going to we're not going 95 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: to be in a situation where it can be extended. 96 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: There will have to be that actual tendering process happen. 97 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's got to be there's got to be a 98 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: tender We can't continue to have trial after trial. But 99 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: then again, there's so many users. You know, we need 100 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: the legislative change to occur first. Once our legislation is 101 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 2: in place, then we can go out to the market 102 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 2: confidently and be able to talk to the operators globally. 103 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: Here's what's occurred in DAR and here's what we've learned 104 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 2: from the trial, and these are the types of condition 105 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: that we would put forward. Councils and needs to look 106 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 2: at different islands as to revenue that we may be 107 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 2: able to raise as a result of this as well, 108 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: that purely comes down to the utilization of the footpath 109 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 2: and all of our different facilities that we're helping facilitate 110 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: the commercial venture as to what they are. 111 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: So I mean, is it the intention of Council that 112 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: we do continue to have scooters. 113 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: Look, it's really a decision for our elected members around that. 114 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: I know that there is a lot of support, but 115 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 2: of recently there is also a lot of concern as well, 116 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: and we have had the team from Neuron come and 117 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 2: speak to Council advice of all of the different pieces 118 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: of work that they're doing to be able to make 119 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: this safer and we're looking forward to them talking to 120 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: the community further about the different safety measures that they 121 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: all be putting in place as the trial is continuing 122 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 2: to go on. 123 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: Scott. When we talk about that legislation, what exactly needs 124 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: to change, Yeah. 125 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: It is being able to recognize these particular devices as 126 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: vehicles on the road and as such that there will 127 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: then be those same laws that are applied to those 128 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 2: that are currently there right now. So it is a 129 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: situation where technology is getting ahead of the legislation and 130 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: we need to be able to have that incorporated. So 131 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 2: there's some work that's being done between one of my 132 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 2: departments and Infrastructure Planning and Logistics with the Northern Territory 133 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 2: government to achieve this well. 134 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,799 Speaker 1: Scott Waters, the CEO of the City of Darwin, always 135 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Thanks so much for having a chat 136 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: with us this morning. 137 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: Greatious all Katie, thank you, thank you.