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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say

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Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are.

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Speaker 2: Amy Kate and Sophie Torbor.

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Speaker 1: We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions,

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Speaker 1: so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers all things

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Speaker 1: reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women. That is

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Speaker 1: so fetch Thank you, Welcome back to Outspoken Now. Sophie,

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Speaker 1: I know you've had an amazing morning and for a

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Speaker 1: very very sad reason. Yeah, was actually so excited because

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Speaker 1: I have got a rare ushi.

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Speaker 1: This is so terribly sad because I did my big

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Speaker 1: shop with Brandon, and we always pay for things separately

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Speaker 1: you asked for the ushies when you put your grocery through. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: so we had about nine of them. I joke that

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Speaker 1: I rushed back to the car. I had to open

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Speaker 1: I said to Brandon, I think that this is a

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Speaker 1: rare one. It's one of the ones with the glitter

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Speaker 1: on it. Anyway, can I give context? Can I give context?

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Speaker 1: I get a frantic call, Oh my god, I think

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Speaker 1: I've got one of those valuable Sushies are worth ten

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. I said, calm down, what is that ushi?

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Speaker 1: Can you send it to me? It's one of those

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Speaker 1: glittery ones. And I was sort of like, what an idiot?

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Speaker 1: Then I realized that I owned a glittery one too,

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Speaker 1: and suddenly I was like, so involved in this conversation.

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Speaker 1: Now as you do, Amy, you jumped on Marketplace. Now,

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Speaker 1: apparently these Glitterybaes or eBay are only worth about thirty

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Speaker 1: to forty dollars, But too bad. I have to say,

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Speaker 1: I think that the value is extended if you have

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Speaker 1: them in a whole catalog. So I think that the

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Speaker 1: We've already got two glittery ones. This could be worth

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Speaker 1: a lot. Now this is like bog buying on a

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Speaker 1: had this thought. I just cannot believe a thirty one

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Speaker 1: year old talking about collecting ushies to.

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Speaker 2: Pretend it's for the kid.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's competition season because Monopoly McDonald's is

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Speaker 1: also bad, and I feel like it's a tactic of

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Speaker 1: them to do it, because of course it's a tactic, no,

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Speaker 1: but I'm saying they always do it when spring is

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Speaker 2: It's a time where people don't want to be eating

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Speaker 1: Well, I want to hear if anyone else is in

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Speaker 1: and you don't have kids and you're collecting ushies, we

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Speaker 1: want to hear. So go to our Facebook community, which

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Speaker 1: And it also add if you were incredibly embarrassed to

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Speaker 1: where you've got to show your receipt. Just before we

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Speaker 1: of confusion. Some people were asking us whose voice is

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Speaker 1: whose voice? And I don't really know how to say this.

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Speaker 1: This is Amy's voice, So I think that you apparently

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Speaker 1: the first topic. Abby Chatfield's Facebook group is the latest

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Speaker 1: group to implode the It's a Lot Podcast group was

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Speaker 1: Abby has appeared on flex Mammy's podcast, which is called

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Speaker 1: Well, it's safe to say there were members of that

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Speaker 1: So basically the same thing that happened to Shameless's podcast group. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: troublemaker and should be sort of painted with the same

437
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Speaker 1: brush you guys were part of the group.

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Speaker 2: There are some really nice.

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Speaker 1: People and I think that's what people took offense to

440
00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,040
Speaker 1: when they heard the podcast, they were assuming that she

441
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Speaker 1: was talking directly to them and that they were the problem,

442
00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:00,879
Speaker 1: when there were a lot of critical thinkers in that

443
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Speaker 1: group who were kind to others.

444
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Speaker 2: Hows when your joy, you're getting ready, you do put

445
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Speaker 2: a lot of effort in.

446
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Speaker 1: So for the thank for me, that is getting a

447
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Speaker 1: show out, that is getting tarn that he is putt

448
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,480
Speaker 1: in bronzeois. With summer just around the corner, fitness influencers,

449
00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,639
Speaker 1: Steph Packer decided it was the perfect time to launch

450
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Speaker 1: a melanin boosting tanning oil. The post was met with

451
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Speaker 1: approval from a range of well known influencers. Despite recent

452
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Speaker 1: moves to educate women on the dangers of skin cancer,

453
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,880
Speaker 1: in the past few years, social media has been used

454
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Speaker 1: as a tool to change millennials and jenz's perceptions on

455
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Speaker 1: a tan being healthy with campaigns like I Pledge and

456
00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,800
Speaker 1: call time on Melanoma. Yet, with no bands currently on

457
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,359
Speaker 1: tanning oils and melanin producing agents, what can we do

458
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,000
Speaker 1: to stop the ignorant and dangerous messages continuing to fill

459
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Speaker 1: our feed this summer? So can you tell us first,

460
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Speaker 1: just who is Steph Packer? Yeah? Well, Steph is a

461
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Speaker 1: fitness influencer, and it surprised me to see she actually

462
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Speaker 1: has over eight hundred and ninety one thousand followers because

463
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Speaker 1: I hadn't heard about her before. Yeah, I didn't know

464
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Speaker 1: who she she was either, to be honest, and we

465
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Speaker 1: did a little bit of digging. We had a look

466
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Speaker 1: at some of the content that she's been putting out,

467
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Speaker 1: and she has been known to promote plastic surgery abroad.

468
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Speaker 1: She's been very vocal on talking about her nose job

469
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Speaker 1: that she got overseas as well as breast implants. So

470
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Speaker 1: is that plastic surgery as you said, she's got herself

471
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Speaker 1: and then has done like a vlog about how she's

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Speaker 1: gotten it done. Well. Yeah, So she doesn't actually have

473
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Speaker 1: a YouTube channel, but if you type her name into YouTube,

474
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Speaker 1: a number of videos come up where she is the

475
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Speaker 1: ambassador for companies I suppose at a promoting travel to

476
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Speaker 1: places like Pouquette for breast.

477
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Speaker 2: Augmentation and nose jobs and that kind of thing.

478
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Speaker 1: So she has detailed her experience through these companies. Now,

479
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Speaker 1: Steph took to her Instagram last week to announce her

480
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Speaker 1: followers that she is launching a new company called The Skin. Now,

481
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Speaker 1: what is most disturbing about this new touch not honor

482
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Speaker 1: in the intro amy is that she is promoting a

483
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Speaker 1: melon and boosting tanning oil. She had the caption on

484
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Speaker 1: her Instagram twenty twenty has been a whirl win. But

485
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 1: what doesn't challenge you doesn't change you. So excited for

486
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 1: what's to come and tagged at skincoat. This was met

487
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 1: by influencers like Sky Wheatley and Lexi Murray, leaving very

488
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Speaker 1: very positive comments like yes and praising hands. This is

489
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Speaker 1: deeply disturbing that these influencers are happy to sit by

490
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Speaker 1: and have her promote this product that is so dangerous

491
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 1: and harmful for women. Well, not only did they leave

492
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Speaker 1: glowing comments on the new Instagram account, they also shared

493
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Speaker 1: STEP's Insta story, so influencers like Talia Scaines shared it

494
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Speaker 1: to her over five hundred thousand followers. I did a

495
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Speaker 1: little calculation and this post was shared to over one

496
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Speaker 1: point five million people just from her influence of friends

497
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Speaker 1: sharing it. Yet surprisingly the page only has about two

498
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Speaker 1: hundred followers.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow.

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Speaker 1: Well, It's the most disturbing thing is those sorts of

501
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Speaker 1: influencers have such young and impressionable followers that probably think, oh,

502
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Speaker 1: this is a really good thing for me to purchase.

503
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Speaker 1: I think the messaging that I found most troubling was

504
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: the fact that she's saying coming right in time for

505
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Speaker 1: summer twenty twenty. At the moment, we've seen such great

506
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,239
Speaker 1: campaign talking about the day of skin cancer, but then

507
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 1: these people are being seeming so ignorant and dumb to say, oh,

508
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: let's get our bodies tanned for summer. So, just to

509
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: explain for those who might not understand what this product

510
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 1: is supposed to do, it boosts the melanin in the skin.

511
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Speaker 1: So melanin is actually a pigment or color in a

512
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Speaker 1: person's skin, hair, and eyes. So in general, people who

513
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Speaker 1: have darker skin tones actually have more melanin than those

514
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Speaker 1: with lighter skin tones. So essentially a person's genetics determines

515
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Speaker 1: their skin color and melanin levels. And the thing is,

516
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 1: there is so much confusion around the use of these

517
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Speaker 1: melanin boosters because a lot of the companies actually are

518
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 1: promoting that melanin is you know, oh, it's a natural

519
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: skin protectory and you know it's protecting against UV and

520
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,719
Speaker 1: that's actually not true because if you're using an oil,

521
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: it's counteracting the protection. This melanin is giving you, it's

522
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: just burning you. And the FDA have come out and

523
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: said there is no research to prove that foods or

524
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Speaker 1: supplements can increase a person's melanin levels. So if you're

525
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Speaker 1: buying this product, you're essentially just buying an oil and

526
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: you're thinking that it's protecting.

527
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 2: Your skin and it's not.

528
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 1: It's just attracting the sun to then damage your skin. Exactly. Well,

529
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: one professor explained it really well. He said, you have

530
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Speaker 1: two opposing things happening at the same time. So melanin

531
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Speaker 1: is protecting you and then melanin is damaging you. There's

532
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 1: a race going on between melanin blocking and protecting you.

533
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: So overall it is causing some damage and leading to

534
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: lesions that can potentially turn into mutations then thus causing

535
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Speaker 1: obviously melanoma. Well, the scariest thing is the power of

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Speaker 1: Steph Packer. I mean, we've all said we haven't heard

537
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: of her before, but she is incredibly influential her you know,

538
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Speaker 1: just her powerful friends. It has infiltrated my newsfeed because

539
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,679
Speaker 1: I do follow people like Tylia Skains and Skywheatly. So

540
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: even though we might not know of her, she has

541
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Speaker 1: a powerful network that means actually heard about it legitimately.

542
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Speaker 2: She is quite.

543
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Speaker 1: Powerful in her own sense, same as you were. Yeah,

544
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: she is extremely powerful. Me She's got over eight hundred

545
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: thousand followers. But she also recently did a collab with Stacks,

546
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Speaker 1: which is an active wear line, and they release these

547
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: bike shorts. These bike shorts, which are in collaboration with Steph,

548
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: sold out in thirty minutes and made the company two

549
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So I feel like, looking

550
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Speaker 1: at how powerful she is if she's pushing this product,

551
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 1: how quickly is this tanning product going to sell? And

552
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: how many people are going to expose themselves to dangerous

553
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: UV rays because of it? I think it is incredibly

554
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Speaker 1: frightening that someone as ignorant as this has a platform

555
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Speaker 1: that large and is using in this negative way, Because

556
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Speaker 1: if you look at how influential influencers are to young people,

557
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Speaker 1: why can't they be doing some good and promoting sun safety.

558
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Speaker 1: I mean, it is disgusting that this woman is purely

559
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Speaker 1: trying to make money off something that's going to harm

560
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Speaker 1: so many young women. Well, exactly do you think Stacks

561
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Speaker 1: should pull their advertising dollars from an influencer like Steph Packett. Well,

562
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: it's a really hard one because I think that if

563
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: we take a look at the current rules regarding sun

564
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: tanning and promotion of sun tanning, there aren't hard and

565
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: fast rules to be truthful in doing research for this topic,

566
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: and it's so difficult to actually find what the rules are.

567
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: But even if there aren't rules, what about the morals

568
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: of it? If I was a company, I don't want

569
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: to be giving this person money for promoting my product

570
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: when they're selling this disgusting product to.

571
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Speaker 2: Young, impressional people.

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Speaker 1: I think the issue is there's so much confusion around

573
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Speaker 1: what is a safe sun tan I mean, I remember

574
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: seeing no tanas, yes, but I remember seeing Sky Wheatley saying, oh,

575
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Speaker 1: look at how tanned. So she posted a picture of

576
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: herself looking extremely tanned back in summer, and she goes, oh,

577
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Speaker 1: I'm going to try and get to this level, but

578
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 1: don't worry, guys, I'm going to use suncream. It seems

579
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Speaker 1: to be that people think that if they tan in suncream,

580
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Speaker 1: then they're going to be somehow protected from getting skin cancer,

581
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: which is completely untrue. Of course, suncream is there to

582
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: protect your skin, but if you are continuously sun baking

583
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: to the point where your melanin is so dark in

584
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: your skin that means it's damaged. That means that things

585
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 1: are starting to happen. I think we should probably before

586
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Speaker 1: we go and take a look at what the rules are.

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Speaker 1: As I said, it was very, very difficult to find

588
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Speaker 1: hard and fast rules in regards to this, so I

589
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: took a look at the social media ad standards and

590
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: it outlined rules in regards to alcohol, food and beverage,

591
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 1: advertising to kids, gambling, nudity, violence, and health and safety.

592
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 1: So sun safety doesn't have its own regulation, but it

593
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: falls into the category of health and safety. So basically,

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Speaker 1: I found a number of different case studies where they

595
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Speaker 1: were talking about plaints consumers had made about certain adverts

596
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Speaker 1: for tanning products that are gone online. So I took

597
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Speaker 1: a look online at some of the examples where consumers

598
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: had made complaints about particular tanning products or even phrases

599
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: used in marketing, and it stated that encouraging someone to

600
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: get a tan is against prevailing community standards on health

601
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Speaker 1: and safety. So it's quite a broad guideline. The thing is,

602
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: I don't think the rules are really caught up with

603
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: the technology. There aren't specific rules stating on social media

604
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Speaker 1: you can or cannot do this. It's very broad, as

605
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: you said, which causes a lot of confusion, and there's

606
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Speaker 1: no fines being handed out for anything, So people are

607
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: just getting away with murder. Yeah. And while this is

608
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: incredibly disappointed to see this post by Steph, I think

609
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: what has been so encouraging is in the past few

610
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: years we have seen a savvier audience who were picking

611
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: up on these disgusting messages, and I suppose savvier influencers

612
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, even when you reflect on sun

615
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: safety at a young age, I suppose growing up in

616
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 1: Australia we were always told to slip, slop, slap and

617
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: rap and rap. But then as a teenager, I feel

618
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: like we were teenagers in the early two thousands. As

619
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Speaker 1: a teenager, it seemed very uncool to wear sun cream.

620
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Speaker 1: Like I even remember at school Mum would force us

621
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Speaker 1: to put sun cream on in you eight and I

622
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: remember standing in the locker room and someone's like, who's

623
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: most like suncream? And it was like embarrassing to be

624
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: wearing suncream. And I also remember being that teenager that

625
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: actually would then like if we went overseas on holiday.

626
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: I remember tanning several times, and now it actually makes

627
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: me feel sick thinking about it. Even though you knew

628
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: deep down about sun's safety, there was still that thing where, oh,

629
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Speaker 1: this is okay because I'm only tanning on a holiday. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: As you said, Sophie, it's now kind of become trendy

631
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Speaker 1: to wear suncream because a lot of influencers have included

632
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: wearing suncream in their beauty routines. And also there's been

633
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: some amazing work from influencers like Courtney Mangan who have

634
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: shone a light on just how important it is to

635
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: wear suncream when you're out in public. Well, for those

636
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: who don't know, Courtney Mangan has been very open and

637
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: honest about her journey with stage four melanoma, and she

638
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 1: actually went into detail last week about everything to do

639
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: with that journey on her podcast she was the Fire.

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00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: So we're going to add that to the show notes

641
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: because I highly recommend listening to that. There's also been

642
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: great movements from Shameless called Eye Pledge, and also movements

643
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: like call Time or Melanoma, which have been so influential

644
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: in making women really change their perspective on a tan

645
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: being considered healthy. Well, what does everyone think? Do you

646
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: think that people should be embracing their natural skin. I

647
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: think it's really tough for people to just all of

648
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: a sudden embrace their natural skin because there have been

649
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: so many years where we've been consuming that tanned skin

650
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: is the skin that everyone wants and is the healthy

651
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Speaker 1: and beautiful skin. I mean, I know myself, now that

652
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: it's getting warmer, I feel urge to start fake tanning

653
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: more often. Another interesting concept about that, though, is how

654
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: these products like tan or even suncream are being marketed

655
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: towards us, because it is all based on our desire

656
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: to still be beautiful. If you look at suncream, it's

657
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: all about it's marketed in a way where it's preventing

658
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: age spots and fine lines and wrinkles, but it's not

659
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: actually saying, hey, this is sun safety.

660
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: Well I think that's good.

661
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's clever to do that because obviously

662
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff about tanning is coming from

663
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: a place of vanity. But if you look at it,

664
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Speaker 1: because it's so hard in regards to your question aming

665
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: about pale skin, I suppose it's so ingrained in our

666
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: ideology that it's beautiful to have tann skin, but it's

667
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: slimming to have tann skin.

668
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but do you know what I mean?

669
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Speaker 1: How many products have influences made cool that you would

670
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: probably look at before and go that's really ugly. Well,

671
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: I'd be really interested to see if a lot of

672
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: the big name influences hopped on and embrace their natural

673
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 1: skin whether people would do so, because there are so

674
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: many products that influencers have spooked recently that are pretty

675
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: ugly clothing and they sell out. Well, look at Sharni

676
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: Grimman dissolving her lip filler and everyone's come out and said,

677
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I prefer you natural. Imagine if people

678
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: were then promoting, you know, this is my skin normally.

679
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: The whole issue, though, is that the whole beauty industry

680
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: is based around telling us we're not good enough as

681
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: we are. So they're not going to say, oh, you're

682
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: good with the skin that you have. We're constantly being

683
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: told we need to purchase something to make us better. Well.

684
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: That reminds me because a couple of years ago, when

685
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: we visited Singapore, I was actually trying to find some

686
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: fake tan and I went into one of the chemists

687
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: and it was literally the opposite. It was bleaching agent

688
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: for your skin to make your skin whiter. And it's

689
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: sort of the complete opposite because a lot of people

690
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: in Singapore and Malaysia have beautifully tanned skin, but it's

691
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: seen as culturally like if you have lighter skin, like

692
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: you are more of the Chinese culture, then you're considered rich. Well,

693
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: back in the day, people with pale skin were seen

694
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: as being wealthy because they were inside and everyone who

695
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: was outside with tan skin were laborers, So it was

696
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: actually more desirable to have pale skin. Yea seem to

697
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: see if it actually goes back to that now. On

698
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: a different note, I suppose while women seem to be

699
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: gradually becoming more educated on this topic, I think it's

700
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: really worrying because I feel.

701
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: Like men are being left behind.

702
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: I know, because like, oh, say to Reese, can you

703
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: put some suncream on? And like even with Dad, and

704
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: men are just so anti putting sun cream on. I

705
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: feel like they don't need it, they just don't want

706
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: to be uncomfortable as well. I suppose as women were

707
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: used to putting on all these potions and different oh

708
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: my god, they should driving a girl for a day.

709
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: A sun cream is nothing.

710
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 5: But what do you.

711
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: Guys think about Do you think that we should be

712
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: promoting more men to wear fake tan and it to

713
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: be acceptable.

714
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: Well, I have to.

715
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: Admit I did see Kierra Maguire. She put a video

716
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: up on an Instagram of her boyfriend Matt from Love

717
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: Island and he was using her fake tan, and I

718
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: did naturally go, oh, oh my god, you know a

719
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: guy wearing fake tan, And I thought, no, that's so

720
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: bad of me, because they should be wearing fake tan.

721
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: But are we contradicting ourselves? We were just saying that

722
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: people should embrace their natural skin. Are we then creating

723
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: a cycle for men that then? I'm not saying that

724
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: they can't embrace natural skin. But if you're a man

725
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: and you actually want to be tanned, rather than burning

726
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: yourself and giving yourself melanoma, why don't you just put

727
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: on a fake But that's the whole argument. Though. I

728
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: don't think that we as a society who are so

729
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: obsessed with appearance. I don't think we are just going

730
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: to accept our power skin. I think we're going to

731
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: want to use things like fake tan to get that look,

732
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: but in a safe way. The thing is, I don't

733
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: feel like there is an immense pressure on men to

734
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: have a tan as much as there is on women. Like,

735
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: think about it. When you are getting ready to, say,

736
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 1: go to a wedding, The first thing I think is, okay,

737
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: well two days out, I need to do my fake tan.

738
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: The brides are getting fake tan. But I don't think

739
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: necessarily men are thinking obviously because then we'll cover it up.

740
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: I don't think that's true at all.

741
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: I think there are pressures for young boys to be tanned.

742
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if you go down to the beach and

743
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: you're very pale, boys pay each other out for that

744
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I've heard young boys talking and they

745
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: are concerned about whether they're tanned or not. But I

746
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: don't know if any of them would actually feel brave

747
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: enough to get a fake tan for fear of being

748
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,239
Speaker 1: paid out. Do you know what, though, I think that

749
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: in places like England and in Europe, it is more

750
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: acceptable for men to wear makeup and fake tan. You

751
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: look at the guys off Jeordie Sure, and that was

752
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: probably like seven years ago now, they were all rocking

753
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: the fake tans. They were solarium tans, which of course

754
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: have been banned now. Well, I actually think It would

755
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: be really beneficial for somebody to create a male tanning product,

756
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: but get some really strong athletic men behind it, you know,

757
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: like a footballer or some something that honey badger, Yeah,

758
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: the honey somebody like that who you wouldn't actually think

759
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: would wear fake tans. There are actually a number of

760
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: fake tans on the market for men, predominantly in the UK,

761
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: which is really interesting. It will be interesting take a

762
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: look at their marketing. But I think the thing that

763
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: we really needed if I was producing a tanning product

764
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: for men, I think it needs to be low maintenance.

765
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: For me, I fake tan every week, and I don't

766
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: think my boyfriend could put up with the constant exfoliation

767
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: of the skin and the constant maintenance.

768
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: Well, if there is a.

769
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: Low maintenance tan, can I please have it as well,

770
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: because I cannot keep up with about it?

771
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: Do you know what I reckon?

772
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: Maybe like a body butter that did a gradual tan

773
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: would be really good for men because then they could

774
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: start wearing it in spring and then when they go

775
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: to the moisturize, though some men do. I think maybe

776
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: a spraytan. I think that's probably the easiest thing, But

777
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: what about their face Yeah, you can spray town a face. Yeah,

778
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 1: but that's what looks weird if you're all one color.

779
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: We would love to hear what you guys think about

780
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: the topic. Please head to our Facebook group which is

781
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: Outspoken the podcast and join in on the conversation. Now,

782
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: let's get into our influencer rap and we'll start it

783
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: with rumors that are circulating that Shanni Grumman is about

784
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: to announce her split from former AFL player Tommy bug.

785
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: I've seen this one coming for a while, especially I

786
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: suppose because she has moved from Melbourne to Brisbane and

787
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 1: I did a bit of scrolling, a bit of stalking. Now,

788
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: the last post that he uploaded of Shanny was in

789
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: April and her last post was in May, so there

790
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: are a number of months that they have not been

791
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: posting one another Devil's Advocate that has been during lockdown,

792
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: and there's not really a lot of photo ops on

793
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: that time. Well, I think the biggest alarm bells for

794
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: this relationship ending would be the fact she's just moved

795
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: into a new home with her friend Joshua Head, who

796
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: appeared in a recent video on Shanee's YouTube channel called

797
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: Meet My Roommate. Let's just say I didn't realize there

798
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: were rumors going on that they'd split, and I was thinking,

799
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: I wonder what Tommy thinks of her living with this guy.

800
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: Did well, she did address it in the video. She said,

801
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: before anyone says anything, we're just friends. We've been friends

802
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: for a number of years. But I am loving the

803
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: inclusion of him in it.

804
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: Voggs. It feels very old school Shanny.

805
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: At the moment, I'm predicting he will be he will

806
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: rise in popularity. Here's thirty thousand followers at the moment.

807
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: I'm predicting he will be some sort of new Michael

808
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: Finch character on the show. Well, the thing is, the

809
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: day that she put the video out with him, he

810
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: scored one seven hundred and ninety new followers just on

811
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: that day, and he's gone up I think by five

812
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: thousand in a week, which is a.

813
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: Big rise on social media.

814
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: Well, whilst talking out Shani's housemates Instagram, we did notice

815
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: a cheeky like from Shanni Grimman's ex, Jonathan Sawyer, who

816
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: is currently dating Madison Woolly. Now, the photo was of

817
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: both Josh and Shani. What do you guys think about that? God,

818
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: I would not be happy if I was Madison. This

819
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: comes off the back of Jonathan releasing a YouTube video

820
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: where he and Madison were away in Threadbow and things

821
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: seemed to be icy. So is that a pun because

822
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: they were both? Is it wrong that, like some part

823
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 1: of me would love Shanni and Jonathan to get back together.

824
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: I preferred the Jonathan because she hold up with this She's.

825
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: Gonna hook up with this Josh.

826
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: She can't hook up with her roommate. That's just gonna

827
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: be She's gonna have to move again.

828
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: Well do you know what.

829
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm wondering what this actually means for Tommy's business because

830
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: he's he owns influencer management group Zoots and Shanny is.

831
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: I would say she was the number one influencer on

832
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: their book. It also manages influencers like Rannie, Michael Finch,

833
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: Tylie Escaines who were all friends of Shanny. So if

834
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: this is not an amicable split, it could be really

835
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: bad business. I feel like it could be an amicable

836
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: split if they have split up, because they are still

837
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: following each other. Tommy did like her photo three days ago,

838
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: so maybe now they're a little bit older, more mature.

839
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: But that's what happens with has split with Jonathan. Remember

840
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: when they split up, Jonathan was still her manager. Then

841
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: they got to back together, then Jonathan was still their

842
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: manager for a while, and then things got awkward.

843
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: She needs to stop dating her managers.

844
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: Well, she's dating them first and then making them her manager. Well.

845
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: The other thing is, I'm certain that she's going to

846
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: announce a split soon because normally you make sort of

847
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: changes that you get a new haircut if you break up.

848
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: And we've got to remember when she broke up with Jonathan,

849
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: she got her boobs done, and now she's got her

850
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: lips dissolved. It seems after the split from Tommy. Yeah,

851
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: there's something not quite right. I will wait with baited

852
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: breath to see the announcement soon. It will be interesting

853
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: to see if it is a whole video like she

854
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: did with Jonathan, because that attracted a huge I feel

855
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: she probably shouldn't bother because she never had him on

856
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: her I was going to say it wasn't as public,

857
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: so I feel like, you know, maybe it won't now.

858
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: The next one I want to get onto is Tylie

859
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: Escan's flog that she released last week. It is actually

860
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: trending at the moment on YouTube, and the reason I

861
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: really liked it is because it was actually so real

862
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: and raw. Well, she opened up about her issues with

863
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: their skin, so it was something that we don't really

864
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: see on Talia's channel. Normally it's about her overseas travel

865
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: or her glamorous life, but this was where she just

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Speaker 1: she burst into tears talking about the struggles with her acne,

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Speaker 1: and I thought it was so brave to share. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's so refreshing because I suppose we see

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Speaker 1: such a curated and kind of fake side to her.

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Speaker 1: She's always doled up to the MAC, She's always looking incredible,

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Speaker 1: and I think it was really good for a follower

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Speaker 1: or someone else who's struggling with their skin to see

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Speaker 1: that this person who we all deem as being perfect

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Speaker 1: is having their own internal battles with how they look

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 2: It's so relatable.

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Speaker 1: And I suppose it's someone that's probably known for face

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Speaker 1: tuning and photoshopping her photos, so for her actually to admit, hey,

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Speaker 1: I've got acne, that's a huge step for her. Well.

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Speaker 1: I really hope that this is a trend for her.

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Speaker 1: I hope we do see some more real and raw

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Speaker 1: videos like this because I'm really enjoying them.

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Speaker 5: Take this object, but beware, it carries a terrible curse.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, that's bad.

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Speaker 5: Like it comes for a free fro gut. That's good.

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00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 5: The fro gut is also cast, that's bad. You get

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Speaker 5: your choice of topping, it's good. The toppings contain potassium

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00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 5: benzo week, that's bad. Can I go? Now?

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Speaker 1: Let's get into our reality recommendations. Now, what have you

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Speaker 1: guys been watching this week that you want to recommend?

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00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,959
Speaker 1: I started watching ninety Day Fiance. I'm only a few

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00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: episodes in, but I remembered why I loved this show

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Speaker 1: so much. It feels like nine to now have just

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00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: decided to give us so many good reality TV shows.

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00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: I really didn't know what to choose from because they've

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Speaker 1: also got us Love Island, which I haven't started watching.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm watching it. It is so good.

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Speaker 1: I was a little bit put off because people said

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Speaker 1: it wasn't as good as the Australian Love Island, and

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Speaker 1: I thought the Australian Love Island was trash. I can

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Speaker 1: say it's better than the Australian Love Island. It's, of

902
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: course not as good as UK Love Island. But if

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Speaker 1: it's hard when as perfection, Yeah, but I'm actually really

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Speaker 1: enjoying it. Is anyone else feeling nostalgic and going to

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Speaker 1: go back and watch them Keeping Up with the Kardashians

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Speaker 1: Because I was really upset to hear that twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: one is going to be the last season. Look, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to call it. I don't think this is the

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Speaker 1: end of Keeping Up with the Kardashians. They clearly didn't

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Speaker 1: get their contracts renewed. I think that somebody else could

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Speaker 1: pick it up, or will have a spin off show

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Speaker 1: from either Chloe or from Chris Jenner or whoever haven't involved,

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Speaker 1: or will have a spin off show when all of

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Speaker 1: the kids are old enough and they're in their teenage.

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Speaker 1: That must definitely happen. What about I'm wondering because a

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Speaker 1: lot of people are saying that the fact that they

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Speaker 1: shared so much on social media kind of made the

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Speaker 1: show not so popular because it was really outdated once

919
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Speaker 1: we got to see it. I wonder if they could

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Speaker 1: start vlogging or doing a YouTube series, that would be

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Speaker 1: really cool. You know, I don't even think they share

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Speaker 1: that much on their Insta stories. It's always really curated pictures.

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Speaker 1: It's not so much of that, but it's like the

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Speaker 1: paparazzi caught up with them, so we knew all the

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Speaker 1: drama before it was on the show. Do you know

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Speaker 1: it will be interesting when the show is finally over.

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Speaker 1: Before every series, we always see that push if something

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Speaker 1: dramatic happening. It will be interesting to see if their

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Speaker 1: vibes are a lot quiet and now they don't have

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Speaker 1: a TV show. Well, I'm wondering if they're still going

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Speaker 1: to be relevant and if people are going to buy

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Speaker 1: their products now the show's over, because we've seen YouTubers

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Speaker 1: who bring up products they suddenly don't post any more

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Speaker 1: content and then people aren't interested in them anymore. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but they've got like forty million followers on their Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I think they're still going to be relevant. There's still

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Speaker 1: going to be influencers at the end of the day.

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Speaker 1: They're still going to be in the media as well.

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Speaker 5: Oh and by the way, why o you apostrophe r

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Speaker 5: means you are? Why do you means your Well?

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Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us for today's episode. If you

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Speaker 1: have enjoyed it, it would be incredible if you could leave

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Speaker 1: us a rating and a review, and if you haven't already,

945
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Speaker 1: we'd love if you could join our Facebook community, which

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Speaker 1: is just outspoken the podcast community