Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex
Speaker 1: and Frooms catch up podcast. Mommy and Daddy have something
Speaker 1: a little bit sad to tell all of you, our children,
Speaker 1: our listeners, that Flex and Frooms incorporated. We are consciously
Speaker 1: uncoupling from the show and from each.
Speaker 2: Other, like Gwen and Chris taught us. Literally, I'm probably
Speaker 2: Chris in this situation. It's been two years. It's cute,
Speaker 2: it's sweet. But the girlies are girl bosses. And what
Speaker 2: do girl bosses do best?
Speaker 1: They girl boss or they don't do anything exactly.
Speaker 3: They do their.
Speaker 2: Bit, they do it well, they go on to new things.
Speaker 2: And that's all we're doing today. According to studies everywhere,
Speaker 2: go ask business Insider, the average duration of employment, isn't
Speaker 2: it like eighteen months?
Speaker 1: I think we've I know, I was going to say
Speaker 1: two years is pretty good. It feels like rudak. This
Speaker 1: is not the.
Speaker 2: Time to redact. This is the last time we're gonna
Speaker 2: be together. Get it out. It's a couple's therapy.
Speaker 1: Okay. It's been really fun. Yeah, loved having redacted food
Speaker 1: delivery service with you every Wednesday because that's the day
Speaker 1: that we get food.
Speaker 2: Look, this is like you know, when you resign from
Speaker 2: a normal job, you can just leave. In this instance,
Speaker 2: we have to provide context, and context is weird. You know,
Speaker 2: nobody likes an exit interview.
Speaker 1: What context can we give? It's just time to go, guys.
Speaker 1: It's as simple as that. It's been a pleasure working together.
Speaker 2: Why do you say it's song and karuguy. It's time
Speaker 2: to go, guys? What can we say? Credit baby?
Speaker 3: Good news though. Yeah, we're not dying. We're not dead.
Speaker 2: We plan to be in media a very long time. Actually,
Speaker 2: we will find you on the internet.
Speaker 1: On the internet, you just know where to find me.
Speaker 2: You're gonna launch your book. It's going to be incredible.
Speaker 2: The nonsense continues together and apart, but.
Speaker 1: Don't threat guys. We have one last live recording in
Speaker 1: none other than Melbourne. It is at Always Live, which
Speaker 1: is outside the Arts Center, so you can get the train,
Speaker 1: all the tram come, have a little look and then
Speaker 1: go and get coffee on gravel straight and it's free. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course you just come and look. It's like we're
Speaker 1: animals in a box exactly that. Yeah. Tech time, tech time,
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Speaker 3: Push it to the next level.
Speaker 2: We are holding a funeral in our minds for the
Speaker 2: CEO and co founder of chat GPT who was recently
Speaker 2: and some would say unfairly fired. Now, why is that
Speaker 2: a big deal? We've been talking about AI for a
Speaker 2: little while on our show, maybe the whole time. Actually
Speaker 2: it's about eighteen months of talking about AI and not
Speaker 2: really understanding it. We've been trying our hardest to figure
Speaker 2: it out, and I think the goalposts keep moving once
Speaker 2: it feels like it makes sense. This is a whole
Speaker 2: new update chat GPT three, then chat GPT four, and
Speaker 2: there's mid journey and all of these different functions, and
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure how to integrate it properly. But
Speaker 2: this came up on my feeds and I thought that
Speaker 2: it was just like regular you get fired, it's not
Speaker 2: a big deal. Maybe you did something slightly illegal, but
Speaker 2: the conspiracy is really layered, and so what I will
Speaker 2: do is lead with the facts.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So CHATGBT is owned, it's a for profit owned for
Speaker 2: it by a not for profit called open Ai, and
Speaker 2: open AI's big stick is about like finding smart and
Speaker 2: safe ways to integrate AI in a way that benefits humanity.
Speaker 2: Emphasis on that. So there's a board of directors like
Speaker 2: six people. Elon Musk is one of them, but Sam
Speaker 2: Altman is the guy that they chose to be the
Speaker 2: face because Elon has other things going on, and so
Speaker 2: do the other people on the board. Maybe he's the
Speaker 2: most charismatic.
Speaker 1: Who knows.
Speaker 2: Open Ai came out and said that the board no
Speaker 2: longer has confidence in Sam's ability to continue leading open ai,
Speaker 2: and then Sam in response said, I loved my time
Speaker 2: open Ai. It was transformative for me personally and hopefully
Speaker 2: the world a little bit. Most of all, I loved
Speaker 2: working with such talented people. Will have more to say
Speaker 2: about what's next later. Strangely enough, that was written in
Speaker 2: all lowercase, which I think was very very cute and sweet.
Speaker 1: I think he wanted to situate he wasn't using chat
Speaker 1: GPT right, like.
Speaker 3: This is honest, It's coming from a real person.
Speaker 2: And then so I was like, okay, cool, Like what's
Speaker 2: the big deal with this because it feels amicable, and
Speaker 2: almost immediately everyone's like, nas, something's off. So days prior,
Speaker 2: Microsoft had come out and said that they were forbidding
Speaker 2: any of their employees to use chat GPT, and I
Speaker 2: think it might have exented to their devices because it
Speaker 2: wasn't safe. People like, what do you mean it's not
Speaker 2: safe because we've heard things like anything you put into
Speaker 2: chat GPT can be used and scrubbed by chat ChiPT
Speaker 2: for other people's information. So let's say you wanted to
Speaker 2: write a song using chat GPT and you put in
Speaker 2: your current lyrics as inspo. That's in the database for
Speaker 2: anyone to have access to if they were to also
Speaker 2: write a song with the same terms and whatever. So
Speaker 2: they said, don't put anything discretionary in there. But Microsoft
Speaker 2: was inferring that it's worse than that that, like your
Speaker 2: whole system is not safe and it's compromise for use chatchipt.
Speaker 3: That's one thing.
Speaker 2: Then there was beef between Sam Oltman, the guy who
Speaker 2: got fired because straight after his co founder, Greg who's
Speaker 2: his friend, quit in solidarity with Sam Strange. What's that about? Then, Ilia,
Speaker 2: who's the main guy who's speaking of AHLF of open AI,
Speaker 2: has basically come forward and said, our priority at chat
Speaker 2: ChiPT is to make sure that we are accelerating AI
Speaker 2: in a way that benefits humanity, slow and safe. Even
Speaker 2: elon mask is like AI can be really dangerous. Let's
Speaker 2: not push it. Let's do slow and say so when
Speaker 2: Elon's saying slow and say what do Greg and Sam
Speaker 2: believe in that they're now getting fired for what exactly?
Speaker 2: So people are speculating that basically Sam Oltman has uncovered
Speaker 2: this thing, this kind of copy or code that's going
Speaker 2: to accelerate AI so fast, and it's going to spiral
Speaker 2: out of control, and the only inevitable conclusion is that
Speaker 2: we are going to be impacted unfairly almost immediately. Now,
Speaker 2: just a couple of days after this all came out
Speaker 2: and you thought the dust was going to settle open,
Speaker 2: AIS employees are either threatening or considering leaving to go
Speaker 2: with Sam Major What is this?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening at this point. It's all
Speaker 2: kind of alleged. I don't really have the full story.
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone has the full story. But just
Speaker 2: know this is gonna get worse, and better keep your
Speaker 2: finger on the pulse with this one.
Speaker 1: Probably my favorite cuisine outside of McDonald's is Italian. As
Speaker 1: Mickey know's, I like to bring a little Italian food
Speaker 1: in for us Today I brought carbonara that's Italian, Yeah
Speaker 1: it is, and I made it with no cream. Guys,
Speaker 1: so I was doing the real deal.
Speaker 3: What did you put in he.
Speaker 1: And no other cream? Like? No, you do like a
Speaker 1: plant based option? No, I didn't. You don't use cream
Speaker 1: with carbonara? Okay, Hunty, I'm pretty sure Mickey is Italian.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm curious.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Ethnically I'm like from the UK.
Speaker 3: But I do know for a fact, do not.
Speaker 1: Go back to you. We do a best of those
Speaker 1: moments anyway, Guys, I have a story about parmesan from
Speaker 1: a listener. This is a really arduous and a harrowing story. Hi, queens,
Speaker 1: very random little tidbit here, but wanted to pick your
Speaker 1: brain about this as I am reeling inside. So my
Speaker 1: boyfriend and I were out to dinner last night at
Speaker 1: a pretty well known Italian pasta place, docks It Palace.
Speaker 1: We were seated and were brought our meals, and with
Speaker 1: said meals, we were giving a little bowl of parmesan
Speaker 1: and a little spoon to put on top of our
Speaker 1: past us. As I'd had a few glasses of veno
Speaker 1: by this point, I was feeling a little cheeky and
Speaker 1: decided to just have a small little teaspoon of the
Speaker 1: parmesan as a taste test before sprinkling it onto the dish.
Speaker 1: Just for your information, I had used said spoon that
Speaker 1: came in the bowl with the cheese. So here's me
Speaker 1: scooping up a little palme into my mouth and lapping
Speaker 1: it up off the spoon. Don't judge anyway. Half an
Speaker 1: hour goes by and the waitress comes up, reaches down
Speaker 1: to grab the pot of parmesan and says, do you
Speaker 1: mind if I take this, then proceeds to walk it
Speaker 1: over to another table sandspoon, same ball saint parmesan that
Speaker 1: I had been eating directly from the ball.
Speaker 2: No, babe, I can see the confusion. I can see
Speaker 2: the confusion. Maybe I can't.
Speaker 1: That's disgusting. Maybe I can't.
Speaker 2: I can imagine an establishment where once you've been served
Speaker 2: your pasta, the additional parmesan will come and it's yours.
Speaker 2: But if it was already sitting on the table that
Speaker 2: reads communal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not about that life. I'm also
Speaker 1: not about the little salt dish in the middle with
Speaker 1: a black maiden sea salt branch and any crunch it
Speaker 1: between your fingers, like, leave me out of it. The
Speaker 1: only vibe that I like is when the person comes
Speaker 1: over with the cheese grater. Mmmm.
Speaker 2: I don't like that.
Speaker 1: Why it's just a bit real, the other naked a
Speaker 1: bit real.
Speaker 2: I just won't the assembly to be done out of
Speaker 2: sight because I don't want to start getting in my
Speaker 2: head about when when there's a hand been washed, what's the.
Speaker 3: Technique blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: True that being said, though, I imagine this is the
Speaker 2: kind of parmesan that is like granulated, like spherical maybe,
Speaker 2: and that never feels high quality, and it absolutely feels communal.
Speaker 1: Not the powdered parmesan in a little spirit, the powdered.
Speaker 2: Palmsan that's got some condensation that's like helped it expand
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 1: Mmm. Coigate Eh, horrible stuff. Well, listen, I actually don't mind.
Speaker 1: I love people that admit embarrassing things. I think it's
Speaker 1: a very embarrassing.
Speaker 3: You were hard done by hah.
Speaker 2: So I mean I feel that this story hasn't ended though.
Speaker 2: What happened then, well, I.
Speaker 1: Think she was just getting it off her chest because
Speaker 1: she felt like quite guilty about it.
Speaker 2: No, guilt's not necessary, your phone, you're a victim, MUMMAE.
Speaker 3: Can I listen to flex?
Speaker 1: And fooms flex and froms Okai. A couple of.
Speaker 2: Weeks ago, I had the urge within my system to
Speaker 2: google what eat prey love is is the origin of
Speaker 2: that phrase? Because we use it quite liberally. I kind
Speaker 2: of thought it just meant like introspect or something like,
Speaker 2: you take some time out introspect, you know, maybe start meditating.
Speaker 3: I wasn't too far off.
Speaker 2: It's a kind of a memoir, an autobiography by this
Speaker 2: woman who goes who experiences.
Speaker 3: A divorce, her life falls apart.
Speaker 2: She travels around India and a few other countries, and
Speaker 2: she writes what that experience is like, and it was
Speaker 2: like overwhelmingly good and bad. Some people were like, you're
Speaker 2: running away from your problems.
Speaker 3: Get a grip.
Speaker 2: Other people like, no, this is amazing. You're finding yourself.
Speaker 2: What are the odds that I would go to India
Speaker 2: not more than three weeks later do the exact same thing.
Speaker 2: I said, there's no way you can go to India
Speaker 2: and not immediately want to simulate eat prey love.
Speaker 3: There's something about it.
Speaker 2: We were doing six am yoga, we were humming with chanting,
Speaker 2: we were eating mostly vegetarian.
Speaker 3: We're going to temples. We were like it was like
Speaker 3: slow state vibes.
Speaker 2: The thing that I would say, though, and the one
Speaker 2: thing that I feel like did my journey a disservice
Speaker 2: but also made it the best, is that people people's
Speaker 2: preconceived ideas about what India would be like are all
Speaker 2: coming from a very movie lens. Like when I told
Speaker 2: people I was going to India, the first nay said
Speaker 2: was like, oh my goodness, you vaccinated?
Speaker 3: Have you got vaccinations?
Speaker 1: Papes?
Speaker 3: Like what are you talking about? Like relax? Are we
Speaker 3: not just going to a new place? Like what's the
Speaker 3: worst could happen?
Speaker 2: Then it was immediate horror story, Oh be careful, do
Speaker 2: this do that.
Speaker 3: I was like, it's not that deep.
Speaker 2: You go there and you know how we mentioned like
Speaker 2: when you go to America, it's exactly the same as
Speaker 2: the movies. You can't discern you think everyone's a paid
Speaker 2: actor because of how.
Speaker 3: Good everybody is as being a human.
Speaker 2: Right. I went to India and I'm like, pabes, nobody
Speaker 2: prepared me for this exact thing. For the one thing
Speaker 2: that was so stark, I got into our van, We're
Speaker 2: in the city, I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, where are the women? Where are the women?
Speaker 2: I was like, I just why are there so many
Speaker 2: men everywhere? And then immediately I to a guy was like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: like generally speaking, commerce and business is what men are
Speaker 2: usually doing here, and so you're a commerce area shopping,
Speaker 2: there are gonna be more men. And so from the
Speaker 2: very onset and throughout, it's like having to like rewire
Speaker 2: your brain for these preconceived ideas that really came from
Speaker 2: prejudices and stereotypes so don't actually exist. We had so
Speaker 2: many opportunities to go into houses of local people and
Speaker 2: just like eat with them and cook with them and stuff,
Speaker 2: and was like, you know how you can do like
Speaker 2: full tourists and only go to landmarks. We were doing
Speaker 2: like full tourists, and then like full regular people cosplay
Speaker 2: to the point where I'm like, whose house am I.
Speaker 3: Sitting in here?
Speaker 2: They're like, who's I'm making chapati right now in someone's kitchen.
Speaker 2: I was talking to Mickey about it earlier today and
Speaker 2: I said, I cannot fault the trip at all. Wow, Like,
Speaker 2: no part of it could I fault, which is very
Speaker 2: surprising because I'm opinionated and I could imagine a lot
Speaker 2: could go wrong. It was an influencer trip. It was
Speaker 2: a twelve day trip packed into seven days. But there
Speaker 2: was not one thing that wasn't like, Wow, that's great.
Speaker 1: Wow you had good roommates or like fellow travelers, good
Speaker 1: fellow travelers a fantastic two guid to.
Speaker 2: A guide was really good at explaining cultural context because
Speaker 2: from her perspective, being Indian, she's aware of Australian culture,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't the other way around. So she was
Speaker 2: constantly drawing comparisons and parallels, making sure we went into
Speaker 2: every space really mindful about the reality of the space
Speaker 2: that we were occupying, making us really aware of how
Speaker 2: we'd be perceived, even if we didn't feel comfortable. So
Speaker 2: I remember when she was suggesting that we get Hannah
Speaker 2: and we were like, no, bough please no. She was like,
Speaker 2: this is the cultural context of Hannah. This is what's happening,
Speaker 2: it's devali at the moment, this is what we're doing.
Speaker 2: This is why it's appropriate, this is why it might
Speaker 2: not be appropriate. Level I was like, babes, you are
Speaker 2: educating us. It was truly phenomenal and I really needed
Speaker 2: that because I was getting a bit fatigued of holiday
Speaker 2: in my own style. You know, you can go sit
Speaker 2: by a pool anywhere, and you don't really feel refreshed.
Speaker 2: But it was like putting myself outside of my comfort
Speaker 2: zone in a very comfortable way because it was it
Speaker 2: five star accommodation.
Speaker 1: It was, of course it was.
Speaker 3: It had to be.
Speaker 1: I like that a circuit breaker.
Speaker 3: What a great phrase. I'm gonna write that down.
Speaker 2: Circuit breaker.
Speaker 1: That's it. What context do you use that in a context?
Speaker 1: Just like this, when you just do something out of
Speaker 1: your regular routine. Yeah, and it jolts you in a
Speaker 1: positive way. That's cool. Do you know what?
Speaker 2: It's also been a circuit breaker. I did what you
Speaker 2: recommended a couple of weeks ago, just went for a walk.
Speaker 2: Clear my head really works well, really does work.
Speaker 1: Seriously, guys, try it one dime. Unfortunately, the dog propaganda
Speaker 1: must stop. I've had enough of it. Tell me why
Speaker 1: everyone decided one day that they lack dog oas and
Speaker 1: it became a personality trait.
Speaker 3: I always thought you were a dog person.
Speaker 1: That is the craziest stuff ever to me. It's not though,
Speaker 1: why would I be a dog person?
Speaker 3: Your brand is dog presenting.
Speaker 2: That is I would say, I see more chihuahwas on
Speaker 2: your feed than I see of your own work like.
Speaker 2: That's how often we see dogs in your content? Okay,
Speaker 2: but how can we misinterpret that?
Speaker 1: Sorry I'm wrong. See the difference is I don't think
Speaker 1: of chuahwas as dogs. They are a whole different like
Speaker 1: category of creature. But I'm talking your classic labrador style dog.
Speaker 1: I'm not about that. Life and our darling, pretty Simicky
Speaker 1: has brought to me some what's it called when it's
Speaker 1: the opposite of propaganda? Some facts, some hard universal truths
Speaker 1: that are indisputable about dog's behavior, which I think we need.
Speaker 3: To look into anything indisputable.
Speaker 1: This, I think is out the first indisputable piece of information.
Speaker 1: So Allegedly, dogs chase their tails for a few reasons,
Speaker 1: let me read them out. Number One, puppies do it
Speaker 1: just for fun. So you see little puppy going around
Speaker 1: and around in circle, it's just having fun. Two for
Speaker 1: bored and more to self soothed. So you know when
Speaker 1: you get home. Let's say you live in an apartment
Speaker 1: and your housemate's got a dog. You get home and
Speaker 1: the dog's behaving crazy, running around. It's because it's bored
Speaker 1: and it's trying to self soothe. That's also like when
Speaker 1: you see a dog turn around in a little bean
Speaker 1: bag thing for it to get comfy. It's okay. Dogs
Speaker 1: with neurological disorders such as caneine can pulsive disorder. Bitter
Speaker 1: me the dog version of obsessive compulsive disorder. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that was. Is that real dog's gonna have obsessive
Speaker 1: compositors or goddamn, that's why they take their anxiety pills. Finally,
Speaker 1: another reason dogs may chase their tails is to seek attention.
Speaker 1: A dog's owner may have rewarded this behavior by laughing
Speaker 1: or saying called boilbool girl. And even if dogs chase
Speaker 1: their tails, I don't know what's the human equivalent. What
Speaker 1: do you do for attention? I'll start Actually, I don't
Speaker 1: even say this on air, but when I used to
Speaker 1: go clubbing, right, I would like, I can't even say it?
Speaker 1: Can I say it? Off air? Are you serious? I'm serious?
Speaker 1: I'm a groof star that embarrasses that. And you did
Speaker 1: that consciously? Look around like what that's actually crazy? Isn't it?
Speaker 2: Is? The performance artist next level? It's never always been
Speaker 2: consistent in that.
Speaker 1: What about you, baby?
Speaker 3: You got something not to that level?
Speaker 1: That level we can't even put that on air. So
Speaker 1: I Think a good exercise for you. Now, are you
Speaker 1: running the car. Think about something that you do for
Speaker 1: pretension that you need to stop doing because it's embarrassing
Speaker 1: and you will embarrass yourself many years later. You've been
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