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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers. Now.

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Speaker 2: It's so funny because I say this to parents all

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mum

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Speaker 2: Good morning. This is doctor Justin Coulson, the author of

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Speaker 2: six books about raising happy families and the founder of

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Speaker 2: happy Families dot com dot You forgive me for sounding distractor, then,

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Speaker 2: but my wife, Kylie munder our six daughters sitting opposite me.

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Speaker 2: It's pulling faces at me and trying to stick her

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Speaker 2: like she's gonna don't put it up your nose. That's gross, Kylie,

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Speaker 3: Oh you're hilarious.

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Speaker 2: I love Fridays. I feel like we can finally relax

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Speaker 2: of the places where these things keep on happening, we

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Speaker 2: are with you in spirit, and we hope that our

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Speaker 2: podcast helps you to make your family happier.

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Speaker 3: Every fo just make you laugh, nothing else.

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Speaker 2: So every Friday we do this thing called I'll do

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Speaker 2: Better Tomorrow. Today no exception, but I want to start

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Speaker 2: by just emphasizing I'll do better Tomorrow is about being

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Speaker 2: intentional about our parenting so that we can be better

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Speaker 2: next time tomorrow, next time we confronted with challenges that

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Speaker 2: better and better. But really, what I'll Do Better Tomorrow

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Speaker 2: is about is celebrating great parenting and celebrating awesome kids,

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Speaker 2: awesome families. Last week for I'll Do Better Tomorrow, we

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Speaker 2: I love sport, I found another awesome little piece. This

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Speaker 2: This is what happened for Jacob Townsend. Let's go back down.

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Speaker 3: To cav Have you got your whole team watching on here?

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Speaker 2: Do Better Tomorrow. Every Friday, we talk about moments that

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Speaker 3: Remember, well, I'll share my experience after the break.

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Speaker 3: It's the Happy Families podcast, the podcast for the time

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Speaker 2: It's called I'll Do Better Tomorrow. For mine, it was

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Speaker 2: kids Spell Love Time and if you children are driving

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Speaker 3: Well, this week we start a book club up again

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Speaker 3: Only because I haven't read your books, and this is

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Speaker 3: So the reason I was sharing all of that is

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Speaker 2: We can so that it wasn't our seven year old.

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Speaker 3: So over the months that we've gotten to know her boyfriend,

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Speaker 3: Not that he's not a good guy. It's actually a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think they're not necessarily good for each other.

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Speaker 3: It's not one way. And so we've had some conversations

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Speaker 3: And so over the last few months, she's actually broken

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Speaker 3: There's three psychological needs. All of our children have them.

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Speaker 3: And lastly, the autonomy to make those decisions, which.

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Speaker 2: At every step of the way, we've said, now that

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Speaker 3: She has for ten months. She's just that we didn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then she turned around and did that. But

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Speaker 2: It would be a horrible relationship. But I really cared

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