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Speaker 1: Black cast, Unite our voices. Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges

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Speaker 1: where you, the listener or viewer, are tuning in from.

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Speaker 1: We would like to pay our respects to our elders

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Speaker 1: past and present and acknowledged that this always was Aboriginal

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Speaker 1: land and always will be Aboriginal land. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandinara Baals. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining me for another episode of the Black Magic Omen Podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is an episode that is proudly supported by NRMA

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Speaker 1: Insurance where I get to speak to three Indigenous First Nations,

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Speaker 1: black entrepreneurs, business owners that are doing some really deadly things.

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Speaker 2: So there are lessons to.

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Speaker 1: Learn, but more importantly talking about culture, identity here, resilience

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Speaker 1: and all things that kind of make us black and deadly.

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Speaker 1: So today I'm yearning with brother Juan Walker from walk

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Speaker 1: About Cultural Tours.

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Speaker 2: We're here in beautiful Gimoi.

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Speaker 1: For people that don't know where Gimoi is, you should

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Speaker 1: google it, but I will help you out. It's actually

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Speaker 1: here in far North queens and Cans. I've flown in

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Speaker 1: here to do some recording, but also to have some

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Speaker 1: time out. So I want to hand over to my

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Speaker 1: brother Juan, who I had the pleasure meeting. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about this in the yarn. I got to meet you

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Speaker 1: with my husband and my children, and we got to

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Speaker 1: do one of your tours.

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Speaker 2: So I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: For my audience, listeners and our viewers on YouTube to

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Speaker 1: also hear about your deadly business. So my brother, as always,

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Speaker 1: we ask our mob when we're meeting each other or

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Speaker 1: on who you are and where you come from.

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Speaker 2: Who's your mob? So I'm gonna hand over to you.

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Speaker 3: Oh Yelda.

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Speaker 4: First of all, I'd like to thank the Yidingji bummer

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Speaker 4: for having us in Gimwi today. That's the local people

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Speaker 4: here the Cans area. My country is a little further north.

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Speaker 4: You got the Yidinge families down here in Cans. A

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Speaker 4: or Rigenji mob. And then on the next step up

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Speaker 1: Coast, and they said, this country is where the Great

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Speaker 1: remember coming here is that I didn't realize how amazing

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Speaker 1: with someone local like yourself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're very, very spoiled here. This place.

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Speaker 4: Have beautiful mountain rainforest, mountains coming down and freshwater creeks,

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Speaker 1: So, brother, tell me how did you were first growing

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Speaker 2: How did you go into business?

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Speaker 1: Was it something that you wanted to do from a

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Speaker 2: Tell us about how you got into business.

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Speaker 4: Well, I wasn't sure if I wanted to start a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's it's pretty amazing really being able to

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Speaker 4: I designed a tour of for what I did as

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Speaker 1: And as we got more and more into it, it

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Speaker 1: us as visitors here, I can't express two people that

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Speaker 2: And it should be a muster, you know.

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Speaker 1: And we had the best time in those two weeks,

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Speaker 1: just spending half a day with you, but the knowledge

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Speaker 1: from the different things we're picking up and you're saying,

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Speaker 1: Like my kids, I don't think yeah would have ever

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Speaker 3: And I say that to people all the time.

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