WEBVTT - Inside The Anna Paul Scandal 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:02.840 Before we get into the show, we want to point 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:06.280 out we recorded this episode yesterday afternoon, just before Anna 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:10.360 Paul released her response to Mikayla Tester's allegations on TikTok. 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:13.640 We will be delving into Anna's response in more detail 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.640 on Friday's show. It's important to point out that Anna 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:20.000 has denied body shaming a fan. She also said stories 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:23.520 about her family's wealth have been greatly exaggerated and has 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:26.560 called on social media users to end the hate and bullying, 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:32.159 saying it's all Internet fun until someone dies. Hello and 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:35.880 welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.280 and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torba 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:41.760 and on today's show, we're going to be diving into 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:45.440 the Anna pol and Mikayla testers scandal. But first, Kate, 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.320 you're back in the studio following your snake drama. Everyone 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:50.320 wants a bit of an update. What's been a week 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.360 and the snake still has not emerged. So we have 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:56.240 had a net setup over the retaining wall that it 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.840 went into, and we were told that it should be 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.400 out within twenty four to four hours, but to give 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.560 it a week just in case. So we're at the 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:05.920 stage where we're like, do we take the snake net? 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:07.440 That snake is long gone? Okay? 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:09.920 Does he come back and get the net? Is that 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:11.600 just he gives it away for free? Well, we did 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:13.479 pay one hundred and eighty dollars for the snake catcher 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:15.160 to come and not catch any snake, so I suppose 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.360 it's for free. You've been sending me these hilarious snapchats 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:20.800 of our mum going over to help you out with 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.080 Jack and she's out hanging your laundry. But she's got 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.840 a whistle in her mouth. She's been like hoping the 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.640 vibrations of the whistle will keep any snakes away from her. 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:30.360 It was so funny because I thought she was just 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:33.000 gonna blow the whistle once and then go outside. However, 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.039 she blew it the whole time she was outside continuously. Yeah, 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.920 she looked like Terry Cruz from White Cheeks, you know 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:40.839 that SCENEA in the nightclub and he's got that whistle 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:50.360 in his mouth. A day for the Australians. Let's go, 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.520 Mikayla Testa and Nepaul, We're on. This is our James Charles, 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.280 Jeffrey Star, Tati Westbrook, moment. All right, this is drama 0:01:56.320 --> 0:02:01.960 getting Bogan version Australia's big US influencer scandal is playing 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:05.960 out in real time. Beloved TikToker and Only Fans creator 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:10.640 Anna Poul's reputation is in tatters following explosive claims made 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.440 in an eight minute video by her former friend and 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:15.320 fellow creator Mikayla Tester. 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:16.960 The bust up has. 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:20.000 Been dominating Millennial and jen Zetters for You pages, with 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:22.720 the level of the scandal being compared to the twenty 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:26.600 nineteen Taddy Westbrook and James Charles drama. Now, before we 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:29.200 get into the scandal, Kate, can you bring listeners up 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.600 to speed on who Anna and Mikayla are and how 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:32.360 they're connected. 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:32.760 Yeah. 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:35.200 So we have spoken a lot about Anna Paul on 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.800 this podcast, but for new listeners, she is one of 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:42.360 Australia's biggest influencers. She has over seven million followers on 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.440 TikTok and two million on Instagram. Well she did she 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:47.839 used to? Yeah, now to give you an insight into 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.880 just how big she is. In twenty twenty two, she 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.840 shut down Perth CBD when she did a meet and 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:55.920 greet and at the end of twenty twenty three, she 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.760 launched her own skincare brand, Pauli's Skin, which sold out instantly. 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.519 Now her fan base is predominantly young females who follow 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:06.960 her daily vlogs where she spreads messages about kindness and 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.720 body positivity. Ironically, there is a large portion of her 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.880 followers who are completely unaware that she also runs a 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:18.080 very successful OnlyFans account where she shares explicit content. And 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:20.960 I think a lot of their parents are unaware. Yeah, 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.480 she does also share any fans content. Also, when you 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.360 say that her audience is predominantly young females, I have 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:29.000 to point out they're mostly schoolgirls. Yeah, And if you 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.280 read Anna's comments on TikTok, there are a lot of 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.960 people that are completely surprised when they find out she 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.000 has an OnlyFans account, in saying that she is one 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.760 of the nation's top earners on the platform. Before she 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:44.120 launched her skincare range, the AFR estimated she earned two 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.600 hundred and twenty thousand dollars a month on OnlyFans. As 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:51.080 for Mikayla Tester, she is also a top earner on OnlyFans. 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:54.240 Is estimated she earns around one hundred and sixty thousand 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.080 dollars a month on the platform, so slightly less than 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.800 Anna Paul. She also has close to nine hundred followers 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.920 on Instagram and two point four million on TikTok. Now, 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.240 Mikayla and Anna have been friends for years, and they 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:10.640 became particularly close when Michayla started dating Anna's brother Adis 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.760 in twenty nineteen. Now they ended up breaking up in 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.159 June twenty twenty two, but Mikayla and Anna continue to 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.120 publicly stay friends. They left a lot of supportive messages 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:23.520 on each other's social media accounts and everything seemed okay 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.800 between them. Yeah, and when Mikayla was dating Addis, the 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.640 pol family really took her in as one of their own, 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.760 and Anna even referred to Michayla as her sister. And 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.599 I remember when they broke up, Mikayla was particularly upset 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:37.560 because she was no longer a member of the family. 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:39.719 It wasn't just all about Addis, and I think that's 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:43.560 because Michayla has been very open about her fractured relationship 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.560 with her own family. They disowned her when she started 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.120 only fans when she was a teenager pretty much, so 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.680 the Pole family has been a second family to her 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:56.320 and just recently in December, Michayla shared a video where 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.960 she said her family had failed her in the worst 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.240 way you could possibly imagine. So she alleged that she 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.080 was abused by two much older male family members when 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.240 she was a child, which is just horrific to hear, 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:10.880 and it kind of gives you an insight into her 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.520 mindset at the moment. She clearly is looking to open 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.039 up about a lot of things that have gone on 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:18.120 in her life. Allegedly. It seemed like for quite a 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.960 number of years that Mikhayla Tessa really wanted to get 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.040 back together with Adams Pole. She created a lot of 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.479 content around it, but last year she actually made a 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:29.000 new guy. They have since gone on to get engaged. 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:32.039 She's an American body builder called Maxwell Krause. He also 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.760 has quite a large following on social media. She seems 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:37.680 very happy with him, and I think Mikayla being in 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.000 this happy relationship has a lot to do with the 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.880 timing of why these allegations are coming out, because it's 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.039 clear that she is at a place now where she 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.800 feels comfortable enough to start speaking on this topic and 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.880 safe and supported clearly too. So now that we are 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:54.320 up to speed. Let's get into this scandal. So the 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.520 drama kicked off last weekend after Anna Paul told her 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:01.000 followers she would be randomly gifting new subscribers to her 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:05.120 Only Fans account cash rewards. Now, this isn't something new, 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.880 so Anna has used similar incentives for her followers to 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.679 promote her skin care line poorly and also her Only 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:13.080 Fans account in the past. 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:14.000 Anna went on to. 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:17.280 Share screenshots from various followers who she'd ended up sending 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:21.400 two hundred to one thousand dollars to as a cashback reward. Now. 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:25.560 Last Monday, Mikayla Tester weighed in, writing on her Instagram story, 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.720 if you have to incentivize people to buy your exclusive 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:32.279 website by running cash giveaways on there and then posting 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:36.000 screenshots of your Instagram so your underage followers spend ten 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.560 dollars to hopefully win one thousand, you're basically running an 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:43.640 illegal lottery and taking advantage of children. Its growth. While 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.640 she didn't initially name Anna, it was pretty clear who 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:50.320 she was talking about, and eight hours later she decided 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.680 to go one step further and name Anna, writing I'm 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.479 speaking on this because it's not only horrible. But every 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.720 time Anna pulls one of these cash giveaway money grabs, 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.680 my dms are filled with hundreds of people asking me 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:06.560 for funds, slash help with all sorts of devastating things 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.320 because they're at a loss for her. If your OnlyFans 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.840 isn't selling and you need to pull cash grabs just 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.640 to get subs or sell your skincare, then you need 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:19.200 to reevaluate. Stop using and manipulating less fortunate people into 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.720 sending their last ten dollars because you're promising the chance 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.440 at more. I've had enough and I wish more people 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.280 called a spade for a spade. 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.360 This is exploitation. I was really shocked. 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.160 When I saw this pop up because I was under 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.040 the impression that Mikayla and Anna were still friends. Well 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.720 I think Anna was under that impression because Anna actually 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:41.640 commented on Mikayla's recent photo, which was uploaded on the Monday, 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:45.240 saying sexy. Anna must have been unaware because that same day, 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:49.160 Mikayla had unfollowed her on Instagram. Anna still does follow 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:51.800 her and follows her to this day. Well, Anna didn't 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.720 respond to Mikayla's call out, but she ended up deleting 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:58.400 Instagram stories which related to the giveaway, and she said 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.840 in her daily vlog on TikTok, this. 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:04.200 Thinks in my room that make me happy when I'm sad. 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.800 Anna looked visibly upset in this log. And this is 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.440 the last log that she has posted on TikTok since 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:14.280 this scandal. Yeah, so, on Wednesday, things escalated even further 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:18.640 when Michayla uploaded an explosive eight minute expose on Anna 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:22.680 to TikTok. My jaw dropped when I saw this video. 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:27.080 The way Michayla began the video was so sensationalized, and 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:30.239 the allegations just went on and on. It almost felt 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.839 like something we shouldn't be watching. Let's have a listen 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:34.480 to how Michayla began the video. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:37.719 There's a lot of things wrong with Anna Paul. It's 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:39.640 way easier to hate me for calling her out when 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:41.720 she's wrong than accepting that the Anna you guys love 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:43.440 and idolize so much she never existed. 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.680 You don't know her. You don't know her like I 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:47.079 know her. 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:49.400 You have never met her, and if you have, it's 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.680 nothing more than a five second sulfie. These people that 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.040 watch her don't know the another I know they know 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.360 the other Anna, the one she wears when the camera 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:58.000 starts rolling. 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.000 The opening line line of this video has become a 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.400 trending sound on TikTok. It shows what a savvy TikTok 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:08.520 creator Mikayla is. Though she knew exactly which notes to 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.200 hit with that well, she was clearly reading a written 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.280 statement as well. It's not like she just jumped on 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.600 her stories and said whatever she felt like and clicked 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:17.600 up load. And I think that's why people took it 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:21.160 so seriously, because this was obviously something that was very considered. 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:23.760 It's very different to the other video she has put 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:27.240 out there, and she made some very big accusations against 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.520 not only Anna, but Anna's brother Adams Paul, who is 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:34.160 Mikayla's ex boyfriend. The allegations level to Addis Paul are 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.080 extremely serious in nature, and due to legal reasons, we 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:40.400 will not be delving into those. We will be discussing 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.079 the allegations leveled at Anna to do with her public 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.680 persona though, and we do want to reiterate that the 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:49.080 allegations Mickayla made are unfounded and are yet to be 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.160 proven to be true. So we're not saying that they 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:53.960 are true, but we're just simply reporting on what Michayla 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:54.880 has alleged. 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:55.320 Now. 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.360 In the eight minute video, Michayla spoke in more depth 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:02.440 about Anna's cash giveaway, and she likened the giveaways entry 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.680 mechanism to that of a lottery. She also alleged that 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.720 it was unethical for Anna to direct her underage fan 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:12.200 base to her only fans platform in order to enter 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.319 the giveaway. Here's more of what she said. 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.959 Anna's performative generosity like hiding money in cities or dishing 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:23.080 out giveaways behind a pay wall reek of superiority, watching 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.600 her fans scramble over scraps, fighting each other because they 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.360 need these funds while she films it, flaunt her designer labels, 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:32.199 endless holidays, and material excess. This is dystopian and out 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:36.439 of touch. Anna is praying on the vulnerability and desperation 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.560 of impressionable young fans for her profit under the disguise 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:43.240 of self love, empowerment, and giving back. Ana may give 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.000 back to the odd few people who she can post 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.800 on an Instagram story for more promotion, and but everyone 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:51.760 else falls short. Anna, if you truly wanted to give 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:53.880 back to your fans, you would use a free platform 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.160 such as your giant Instagram page with over two point 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:59.240 four million followers, or if you truly wanted to give 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.600 back to your ofs subscribers, you would do it privately 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:05.240 within that platform. By posting ig stories advertising that you're 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.840 sending money to subscribers, you are directly trying to lure 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.000 new customers over to your page, a page which costs 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:15.240 sixteen dollars to access. This sixteen dollars is essentially a 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:15.960 lottery ticket. 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.880 I was interested to know more about the legalities of 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:21.560 Anna's cash giveaway. 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.120 And what I found was it really is a great area. 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.520 So from what I can establish, it depends whether Anna's 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.600 giveaway fits under the category of a cash back offer 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:31.640 or a lottery. 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:33.120 And because Anna. 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:36.640 Didn't specifically sell tickets, or organize dates or even set 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:41.080 rules for her giveaway, by definition, it doesn't technically fit 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.280 into the category of a lottery. What it does fit 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.160 into is the a Triple c's definition of a cash 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.319 back offer. So from what I can gauge, it doesn't 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:54.240 appear that Anna has broken any rules. However, moving forward, 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.160 I think a lot of influencers are going to be 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.839 really careful about doing online giveaways because it is such 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:03.319 a great area. Well, we have seen recently Adrian Portelli, 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:05.240 who's known as the Lambeau guy or that guy that 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.480 buys all the properties on the blog. He also actually 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.960 dated Mikayla Tester for a short period of time during 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.760 her breakup with Adams Paul I totally forgot about that. Well. 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.960 He was recently charged with conducting an unlawful lottery in 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.720 South Australia in December last year. So essentially the way 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.800 his business works is people sign up to a membership 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:26.160 to receive shopping discounts and as part of the membership offering, 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:29.680 members are also granted entry into monthly draws for cash 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.920 and prizes. And the law states that any lottery that 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:36.240 is not licensed in the state is unlawful and organizes 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.720 face a maximum penalty of ten thousand dollars. So the 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.000 bow you're trying to draw here is that Adrian has 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:45.080 been asking his audience to basically subscribe and become members 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:48.160 to a shopping discount page which is totally unrelated to 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:51.760 the lottery, which is somewhat similar to Anna asking her 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.880 followers to sign up and become members of her OnlyFans 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:56.880 account in order to win money. 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:57.719 That is totally. 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.760 Uncommon entry mechanism. You just got to dot the i's 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:02.640 and cross the t's and make sure your teas and 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:04.480 seeds match up with what you do. The issue is 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.240 Anna didn't have any terms in conditions, and I think 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:10.439 this is why so many consumers might have felt misled. Yeah, 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.000 I think there's going to be a lot of influencers 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.360 taking note and making sure that they actually have te's 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:16.880 and ce's moving forward, because I think social media is 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:19.040 a little bit of a wild West with competitions, and 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:21.920 people don't generally think that they're going to be cracked 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:25.080 down on or even Aside from the legalities, I think 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:29.080 Mikhayla also raised an important question around the ethics and 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:33.200 appropriateness of marketing OnlyFans accounts to underage followers, because this 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:36.040 is essentially what Anna was doing, and she has made 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.120 it very clear that a large percentage of her audience 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.360 are under eighteen, and if you look at her TikTok content, 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.480 it very much appeals to an underage audience. I mean, 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.240 there's been a lot of discussion on TikTok since this 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.400 scandal hit that Anna speaks quite often in a baby 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.000 voice in her videos, and you know she lives with 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.040 her mum and dad. She calls the mamma and Papa. 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:59.400 It's all quite I don't say juvenile, but it is 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.240 very childlike the way she acts on that. Yeah, and 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.280 she has been accused of glamorizing sex work to her 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.920 underage followers and one really popular sex worker on TikTok, 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:12.640 Kayla Jade, she wad into it, and she didn't specifically 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.800 name Anna, but she told her followers it's important for 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.680 sex workers to be mindful of the content they create 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:21.640 so there's no confusion around it. She said, there's nothing 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.320 morally wrong with being a sex worker and wanting to 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:27.040 promote it online, but there is a problem when it's 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.760 exposed to the wrong audience. So she likened this to 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.040 horror movies. She said, there's nothing wrong with enjoying horror movies, 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.800 but would you show Texas chainsaw massacre to a room 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.800 full of preschool kids. Kayla also made a really great 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.440 point about the need for creators to be mindful and 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:45.040 consistent across all platforms so their audiences are aware of 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:46.160 what they're consuming. 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:47.840 Let's have a listen to what she said. 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.280 The majority of my audience is twenty five to thirty 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:54.120 five because it's clear exactly what I do and I'm 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.520 not trying to target a younger audience. Your audience is 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.359 constantly under the age of eighteen and you're in SW 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:01.960 have to reassess what you're doing, and it is your 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.720 responsibility to fix it. Can neither change your content to 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.840 be more appropriate for a younger audience, you stop promoting 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:11.720 SW content on all platforms, or make the changes necessary 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.240 to ensure your marketing to an adult audience. Parents also, 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.600 should we be leaving their kids on supervised online because 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:18.120 just like the engineer, they're going to see some shit 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:19.920 they probably shouldn't. There are so many people in my 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.040 space that do things that are crossing a line and 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.120 don't sit right with me, and it can be frustrating 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.640 because it brings negative attention to the whole industry. 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:30.520 There's been so many people weighing into the Anna Pole situation, 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:32.760 and in this case, I think it's really important to 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.760 hear the perspective of someone who not only works as 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.640 a sex worker as well, but works in the TikTok space, 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.160 so to hear that she has a direct strategy with 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.440 the content that she's putting out making sure that it 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:46.560 is appropriate for her target demographic. I think is really interesting. 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.760 I think the big difference between Kayla and Anna's content 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:53.080 is that Anna puts out a very glamorous view of 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.680 being a sex worker. So if you look at her tiktoks, 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.280 it's all about her jetting around the world, which's eating 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:02.760 in glamorous restaurants, driving luxury cars. Money clearly isn't an 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.440 issue for her, and her fan base is predominantly teenagers 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.040 who would be lapping up this type of content. They 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.400 want to live the life that Anna Paul lives. But 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.880 when you look at Kayla's content, she's done a really 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.920 good job of not romanticizing sex work. I mean, she 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.680 has said that she believes it's important to also show 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:21.400 the unflattering. 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:21.680 Side, and she does that. 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.400 She tells some pretty full on stories, which makes it 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:27.160 not the most appealing job to have. However, you would 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.520 see being a sex worker as the most glamorous thing 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:31.800 ever long. Anna's one thing that Kayla does do is 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.760 she does often count words of cash that she's made 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.920 from the night before to start her videos. But then 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:41.000 you hear the reality of how she has got that money, 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:42.760 and as you said, Amy some of these stories. I mean, 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.240 the reason she's so popular is because these stories have 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:46.600 you on the edge of your seat. 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.720 But it doesn't glamorize it. It just portrays the reality. 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:53.480 When you look at Kayla's content, it is clearly aimed 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:57.040 at eighteen plus. She is pretty consistent with the type 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:00.520 of content she shares. You would look at Anna's TikTok 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.600 and be unaware that she actually was on OnlyFans. But 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:07.520 is that because the algorithm punishes creators who do try 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:11.479 and push people from Instagram or TikTok to OnlyFans? Because 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.360 I've noticed that a lot of OnlyFans creators they have 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:18.280 to use specific language like oh spicy content and really 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:21.480 play around with it to suggest people to go onto 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.800 their part. But also, because Anna is a sex worker, 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.040 does that mean that she doesn't have another life? Like, 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.560 does this mean that she has She isn't allowed to 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.120 travel and have a glamorous life, and she isn't allowed 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:31.960 to be a nice person. 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:33.880 She is breaking down the stigma that. 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:37.399 A sex worker has particular personality. Actually, at all of 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:39.840 the characters, I agree, she's doing a really good job 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.520 at breaking down the stigma. But she can't be relying 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:46.400 on her underage audience to bump up her OnlyFans earnings, 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.560 and if you look at OnlyFans as rules, it states 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.560 that users must agree they are eighteen years or older 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.920 before they're able to purchase any explicit content. I feel 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.960 like the word that they must agree is important because. 0:17:58.720 --> 0:17:59.879 This site is not fool proof. 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.680 Miners are lying about their age and falsifying their age 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.360 in order to gain access to it. It's pretty similar 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.400 to social media platforms where kids are pretending that they're 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.400 older in order to get them. Now, let's get back 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:14.040 into Mikayla's allegations. So she really hit Anna wear her? 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:17.199 She alleged that Anna doesn't care about her fans and 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.240 that the way she presents herself publicly is very different 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.920 to the real Anna. This is some of what she said. 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:27.560 Everything Anna does is calculated, but she masks the manipulation 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.840 extremely well with an innocent, sweet girl facade. Your fans 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.320 mean nothing to you, just like the animals you buy 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.480 and palm off to others watching you be praised online 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.879 for being kind and caring, But behind the facade. 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:40.400 Lived an evil person. 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.200 All while I'm receiving hate because I didn't create content 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:48.280 like you everything people accuse me of being is exactly 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.840 who you are. That was just the beginning of the 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:52.560 pot that started boiling within me. 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.359 I find it really interesting that Mikayla has brought up 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.879 Anna's pets. We all know that Anna travels the world, 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:01.359 yet her pets have become a huge part of her 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:03.960 personal brand. So she has a number of hairless cats 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.240 who remain at home for most of the time. There 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.320 is a bit of a question mark over who actually 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:11.359 looks after these pets whilst they're traveling all year. And 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.040 to say that your fans and also your animals mean 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.520 nothing to you is a really big thing to say 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:19.440 to someone like Anna Paul who has based this online 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:22.560 brand about being kind. And you know, if someone can't 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.480