1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Before we get into the show, we want to point 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: out we recorded this episode yesterday afternoon, just before Anna 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Paul released her response to Mikayla Tester's allegations on TikTok. 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: We will be delving into Anna's response in more detail 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: on Friday's show. It's important to point out that Anna 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: has denied body shaming a fan. She also said stories 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: about her family's wealth have been greatly exaggerated and has 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: called on social media users to end the hate and bullying, 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: saying it's all Internet fun until someone dies. Hello and 10 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torba 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: and on today's show, we're going to be diving into 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: the Anna pol and Mikayla testers scandal. But first, Kate, 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: you're back in the studio following your snake drama. Everyone 15 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: wants a bit of an update. What's been a week 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: and the snake still has not emerged. So we have 17 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: had a net setup over the retaining wall that it 18 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: went into, and we were told that it should be 19 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: out within twenty four to four hours, but to give 20 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: it a week just in case. So we're at the 21 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: stage where we're like, do we take the snake net? 22 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: That snake is long gone? Okay? 23 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: Does he come back and get the net? Is that 24 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: just he gives it away for free? Well, we did 25 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: pay one hundred and eighty dollars for the snake catcher 26 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: to come and not catch any snake, so I suppose 27 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: it's for free. You've been sending me these hilarious snapchats 28 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: of our mum going over to help you out with 29 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: Jack and she's out hanging your laundry. But she's got 30 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: a whistle in her mouth. She's been like hoping the 31 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: vibrations of the whistle will keep any snakes away from her. 32 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: It was so funny because I thought she was just 33 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: gonna blow the whistle once and then go outside. However, 34 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: she blew it the whole time she was outside continuously. Yeah, 35 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: she looked like Terry Cruz from White Cheeks, you know 36 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 1: that SCENEA in the nightclub and he's got that whistle 37 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: in his mouth. A day for the Australians. Let's go, 38 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: Mikayla Testa and Nepaul, We're on. This is our James Charles, 39 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Star, Tati Westbrook, moment. All right, this is drama 40 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: getting Bogan version Australia's big US influencer scandal is playing 41 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: out in real time. Beloved TikToker and Only Fans creator 42 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: Anna Poul's reputation is in tatters following explosive claims made 43 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: in an eight minute video by her former friend and 44 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: fellow creator Mikayla Tester. 45 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: The bust up has. 46 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: Been dominating Millennial and jen Zetters for You pages, with 47 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: the level of the scandal being compared to the twenty 48 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: nineteen Taddy Westbrook and James Charles drama. Now, before we 49 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: get into the scandal, Kate, can you bring listeners up 50 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: to speed on who Anna and Mikayla are and how 51 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: they're connected. 52 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 53 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: So we have spoken a lot about Anna Paul on 54 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: this podcast, but for new listeners, she is one of 55 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: Australia's biggest influencers. She has over seven million followers on 56 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: TikTok and two million on Instagram. Well she did she 57 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,839 Speaker 1: used to? Yeah, now to give you an insight into 58 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: just how big she is. In twenty twenty two, she 59 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: shut down Perth CBD when she did a meet and 60 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: greet and at the end of twenty twenty three, she 61 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: launched her own skincare brand, Pauli's Skin, which sold out instantly. 62 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: Now her fan base is predominantly young females who follow 63 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: her daily vlogs where she spreads messages about kindness and 64 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: body positivity. Ironically, there is a large portion of her 65 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: followers who are completely unaware that she also runs a 66 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: very successful OnlyFans account where she shares explicit content. And 67 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: I think a lot of their parents are unaware. Yeah, 68 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: she does also share any fans content. Also, when you 69 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: say that her audience is predominantly young females, I have 70 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: to point out they're mostly schoolgirls. Yeah, And if you 71 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: read Anna's comments on TikTok, there are a lot of 72 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: people that are completely surprised when they find out she 73 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: has an OnlyFans account, in saying that she is one 74 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: of the nation's top earners on the platform. Before she 75 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: launched her skincare range, the AFR estimated she earned two 76 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty thousand dollars a month on OnlyFans. As 77 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: for Mikayla Tester, she is also a top earner on OnlyFans. 78 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: Is estimated she earns around one hundred and sixty thousand 79 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: dollars a month on the platform, so slightly less than 80 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: Anna Paul. She also has close to nine hundred followers 81 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: on Instagram and two point four million on TikTok. Now, 82 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: Mikayla and Anna have been friends for years, and they 83 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: became particularly close when Michayla started dating Anna's brother Adis 84 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. Now they ended up breaking up in 85 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: June twenty twenty two, but Mikayla and Anna continue to 86 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: publicly stay friends. They left a lot of supportive messages 87 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: on each other's social media accounts and everything seemed okay 88 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: between them. Yeah, and when Mikayla was dating Addis, the 89 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: pol family really took her in as one of their own, 90 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: and Anna even referred to Michayla as her sister. And 91 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: I remember when they broke up, Mikayla was particularly upset 92 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: because she was no longer a member of the family. 93 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: It wasn't just all about Addis, and I think that's 94 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: because Michayla has been very open about her fractured relationship 95 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: with her own family. They disowned her when she started 96 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: only fans when she was a teenager pretty much, so 97 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: the Pole family has been a second family to her 98 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: and just recently in December, Michayla shared a video where 99 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: she said her family had failed her in the worst 100 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: way you could possibly imagine. So she alleged that she 101 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: was abused by two much older male family members when 102 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: she was a child, which is just horrific to hear, 103 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: and it kind of gives you an insight into her 104 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: mindset at the moment. She clearly is looking to open 105 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: up about a lot of things that have gone on 106 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: in her life. Allegedly. It seemed like for quite a 107 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: number of years that Mikhayla Tessa really wanted to get 108 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: back together with Adams Pole. She created a lot of 109 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: content around it, but last year she actually made a 110 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: new guy. They have since gone on to get engaged. 111 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: She's an American body builder called Maxwell Krause. He also 112 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: has quite a large following on social media. She seems 113 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: very happy with him, and I think Mikayla being in 114 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: this happy relationship has a lot to do with the 115 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: timing of why these allegations are coming out, because it's 116 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: clear that she is at a place now where she 117 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: feels comfortable enough to start speaking on this topic and 118 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: safe and supported clearly too. So now that we are 119 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: up to speed. Let's get into this scandal. So the 120 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: drama kicked off last weekend after Anna Paul told her 121 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: followers she would be randomly gifting new subscribers to her 122 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: Only Fans account cash rewards. Now, this isn't something new, 123 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: so Anna has used similar incentives for her followers to 124 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,679 Speaker 1: promote her skin care line poorly and also her Only 125 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: Fans account in the past. 126 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: Anna went on to. 127 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: Share screenshots from various followers who she'd ended up sending 128 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: two hundred to one thousand dollars to as a cashback reward. Now. 129 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: Last Monday, Mikayla Tester weighed in, writing on her Instagram story, 130 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: if you have to incentivize people to buy your exclusive 131 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: website by running cash giveaways on there and then posting 132 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: screenshots of your Instagram so your underage followers spend ten 133 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: dollars to hopefully win one thousand, you're basically running an 134 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: illegal lottery and taking advantage of children. Its growth. While 135 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: she didn't initially name Anna, it was pretty clear who 136 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: she was talking about, and eight hours later she decided 137 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: to go one step further and name Anna, writing I'm 138 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: speaking on this because it's not only horrible. But every 139 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: time Anna pulls one of these cash giveaway money grabs, 140 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: my dms are filled with hundreds of people asking me 141 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: for funds, slash help with all sorts of devastating things 142 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: because they're at a loss for her. If your OnlyFans 143 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: isn't selling and you need to pull cash grabs just 144 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: to get subs or sell your skincare, then you need 145 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: to reevaluate. Stop using and manipulating less fortunate people into 146 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: sending their last ten dollars because you're promising the chance 147 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: at more. I've had enough and I wish more people 148 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: called a spade for a spade. 149 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: This is exploitation. I was really shocked. 150 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: When I saw this pop up because I was under 151 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: the impression that Mikayla and Anna were still friends. Well 152 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: I think Anna was under that impression because Anna actually 153 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: commented on Mikayla's recent photo, which was uploaded on the Monday, 154 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: saying sexy. Anna must have been unaware because that same day, 155 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: Mikayla had unfollowed her on Instagram. Anna still does follow 156 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: her and follows her to this day. Well, Anna didn't 157 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: respond to Mikayla's call out, but she ended up deleting 158 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: Instagram stories which related to the giveaway, and she said 159 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: in her daily vlog on TikTok, this. 160 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 4: Thinks in my room that make me happy when I'm sad. 161 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: Anna looked visibly upset in this log. And this is 162 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: the last log that she has posted on TikTok since 163 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: this scandal. Yeah, so, on Wednesday, things escalated even further 164 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: when Michayla uploaded an explosive eight minute expose on Anna 165 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: to TikTok. My jaw dropped when I saw this video. 166 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: The way Michayla began the video was so sensationalized, and 167 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,239 Speaker 1: the allegations just went on and on. It almost felt 168 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 1: like something we shouldn't be watching. Let's have a listen 169 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: to how Michayla began the video. 170 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 5: There's a lot of things wrong with Anna Paul. It's 171 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 5: way easier to hate me for calling her out when 172 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 5: she's wrong than accepting that the Anna you guys love 173 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 5: and idolize so much she never existed. 174 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 4: You don't know her. You don't know her like I 175 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 4: know her. 176 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 5: You have never met her, and if you have, it's 177 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 5: nothing more than a five second sulfie. These people that 178 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 5: watch her don't know the another I know they know 179 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 5: the other Anna, the one she wears when the camera 180 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 5: starts rolling. 181 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: The opening line line of this video has become a 182 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: trending sound on TikTok. It shows what a savvy TikTok 183 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: creator Mikayla is. Though she knew exactly which notes to 184 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: hit with that well, she was clearly reading a written 185 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: statement as well. It's not like she just jumped on 186 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: her stories and said whatever she felt like and clicked 187 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: up load. And I think that's why people took it 188 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: so seriously, because this was obviously something that was very considered. 189 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: It's very different to the other video she has put 190 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: out there, and she made some very big accusations against 191 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: not only Anna, but Anna's brother Adams Paul, who is 192 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: Mikayla's ex boyfriend. The allegations level to Addis Paul are 193 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: extremely serious in nature, and due to legal reasons, we 194 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: will not be delving into those. We will be discussing 195 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: the allegations leveled at Anna to do with her public 196 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: persona though, and we do want to reiterate that the 197 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: allegations Mickayla made are unfounded and are yet to be 198 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: proven to be true. So we're not saying that they 199 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: are true, but we're just simply reporting on what Michayla 200 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: has alleged. 201 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 2: Now. 202 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: In the eight minute video, Michayla spoke in more depth 203 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: about Anna's cash giveaway, and she likened the giveaways entry 204 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: mechanism to that of a lottery. She also alleged that 205 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: it was unethical for Anna to direct her underage fan 206 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: base to her only fans platform in order to enter 207 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: the giveaway. Here's more of what she said. 208 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 5: Anna's performative generosity like hiding money in cities or dishing 209 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 5: out giveaways behind a pay wall reek of superiority, watching 210 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 5: her fans scramble over scraps, fighting each other because they 211 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 5: need these funds while she films it, flaunt her designer labels, 212 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 5: endless holidays, and material excess. This is dystopian and out 213 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 5: of touch. Anna is praying on the vulnerability and desperation 214 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 5: of impressionable young fans for her profit under the disguise 215 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 5: of self love, empowerment, and giving back. Ana may give 216 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 5: back to the odd few people who she can post 217 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 5: on an Instagram story for more promotion, and but everyone 218 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 5: else falls short. Anna, if you truly wanted to give 219 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 5: back to your fans, you would use a free platform 220 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 5: such as your giant Instagram page with over two point 221 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 5: four million followers, or if you truly wanted to give 222 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 5: back to your ofs subscribers, you would do it privately 223 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 5: within that platform. By posting ig stories advertising that you're 224 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 5: sending money to subscribers, you are directly trying to lure 225 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 5: new customers over to your page, a page which costs 226 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 5: sixteen dollars to access. This sixteen dollars is essentially a 227 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 5: lottery ticket. 228 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: I was interested to know more about the legalities of 229 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: Anna's cash giveaway. 230 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 2: And what I found was it really is a great area. 231 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: So from what I can establish, it depends whether Anna's 232 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: giveaway fits under the category of a cash back offer 233 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: or a lottery. 234 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: And because Anna. 235 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: Didn't specifically sell tickets, or organize dates or even set 236 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: rules for her giveaway, by definition, it doesn't technically fit 237 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: into the category of a lottery. What it does fit 238 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: into is the a Triple c's definition of a cash 239 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: back offer. So from what I can gauge, it doesn't 240 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: appear that Anna has broken any rules. However, moving forward, 241 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: I think a lot of influencers are going to be 242 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: really careful about doing online giveaways because it is such 243 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 1: a great area. Well, we have seen recently Adrian Portelli, 244 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: who's known as the Lambeau guy or that guy that 245 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: buys all the properties on the blog. He also actually 246 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: dated Mikayla Tester for a short period of time during 247 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: her breakup with Adams Paul I totally forgot about that. Well. 248 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: He was recently charged with conducting an unlawful lottery in 249 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: South Australia in December last year. So essentially the way 250 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: his business works is people sign up to a membership 251 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: to receive shopping discounts and as part of the membership offering, 252 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: members are also granted entry into monthly draws for cash 253 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: and prizes. And the law states that any lottery that 254 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: is not licensed in the state is unlawful and organizes 255 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: face a maximum penalty of ten thousand dollars. So the 256 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: bow you're trying to draw here is that Adrian has 257 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: been asking his audience to basically subscribe and become members 258 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: to a shopping discount page which is totally unrelated to 259 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: the lottery, which is somewhat similar to Anna asking her 260 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: followers to sign up and become members of her OnlyFans 261 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: account in order to win money. 262 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 2: That is totally. 263 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: Uncommon entry mechanism. You just got to dot the i's 264 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: and cross the t's and make sure your teas and 265 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: seeds match up with what you do. The issue is 266 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: Anna didn't have any terms in conditions, and I think 267 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 1: this is why so many consumers might have felt misled. Yeah, 268 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: I think there's going to be a lot of influencers 269 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: taking note and making sure that they actually have te's 270 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: and ce's moving forward, because I think social media is 271 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of a wild West with competitions, and 272 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: people don't generally think that they're going to be cracked 273 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: down on or even Aside from the legalities, I think 274 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: Mikhayla also raised an important question around the ethics and 275 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: appropriateness of marketing OnlyFans accounts to underage followers, because this 276 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: is essentially what Anna was doing, and she has made 277 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: it very clear that a large percentage of her audience 278 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: are under eighteen, and if you look at her TikTok content, 279 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: it very much appeals to an underage audience. I mean, 280 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of discussion on TikTok since this 281 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: scandal hit that Anna speaks quite often in a baby 282 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: voice in her videos, and you know she lives with 283 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: her mum and dad. She calls the mamma and Papa. 284 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: It's all quite I don't say juvenile, but it is 285 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: very childlike the way she acts on that. Yeah, and 286 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: she has been accused of glamorizing sex work to her 287 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: underage followers and one really popular sex worker on TikTok, 288 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: Kayla Jade, she wad into it, and she didn't specifically 289 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: name Anna, but she told her followers it's important for 290 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: sex workers to be mindful of the content they create 291 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: so there's no confusion around it. She said, there's nothing 292 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: morally wrong with being a sex worker and wanting to 293 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: promote it online, but there is a problem when it's 294 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: exposed to the wrong audience. So she likened this to 295 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: horror movies. She said, there's nothing wrong with enjoying horror movies, 296 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: but would you show Texas chainsaw massacre to a room 297 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: full of preschool kids. Kayla also made a really great 298 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: point about the need for creators to be mindful and 299 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: consistent across all platforms so their audiences are aware of 300 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: what they're consuming. 301 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to what she said. 302 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: The majority of my audience is twenty five to thirty 303 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 3: five because it's clear exactly what I do and I'm 304 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 3: not trying to target a younger audience. Your audience is 305 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,359 Speaker 3: constantly under the age of eighteen and you're in SW 306 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 3: have to reassess what you're doing, and it is your 307 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 3: responsibility to fix it. Can neither change your content to 308 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: be more appropriate for a younger audience, you stop promoting 309 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 3: SW content on all platforms, or make the changes necessary 310 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 3: to ensure your marketing to an adult audience. Parents also, 311 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 3: should we be leaving their kids on supervised online because 312 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 3: just like the engineer, they're going to see some shit 313 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 3: they probably shouldn't. There are so many people in my 314 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 3: space that do things that are crossing a line and 315 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 3: don't sit right with me, and it can be frustrating 316 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: because it brings negative attention to the whole industry. 317 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: There's been so many people weighing into the Anna Pole situation, 318 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: and in this case, I think it's really important to 319 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: hear the perspective of someone who not only works as 320 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: a sex worker as well, but works in the TikTok space, 321 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: so to hear that she has a direct strategy with 322 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: the content that she's putting out making sure that it 323 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: is appropriate for her target demographic. I think is really interesting. 324 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: I think the big difference between Kayla and Anna's content 325 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: is that Anna puts out a very glamorous view of 326 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: being a sex worker. So if you look at her tiktoks, 327 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: it's all about her jetting around the world, which's eating 328 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: in glamorous restaurants, driving luxury cars. Money clearly isn't an 329 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: issue for her, and her fan base is predominantly teenagers 330 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: who would be lapping up this type of content. They 331 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: want to live the life that Anna Paul lives. But 332 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: when you look at Kayla's content, she's done a really 333 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: good job of not romanticizing sex work. I mean, she 334 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: has said that she believes it's important to also show 335 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: the unflattering. 336 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: Side, and she does that. 337 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: She tells some pretty full on stories, which makes it 338 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: not the most appealing job to have. However, you would 339 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: see being a sex worker as the most glamorous thing 340 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: ever long. Anna's one thing that Kayla does do is 341 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: she does often count words of cash that she's made 342 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: from the night before to start her videos. But then 343 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: you hear the reality of how she has got that money, 344 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: and as you said, Amy some of these stories. I mean, 345 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: the reason she's so popular is because these stories have 346 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: you on the edge of your seat. 347 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 2: But it doesn't glamorize it. It just portrays the reality. 348 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: When you look at Kayla's content, it is clearly aimed 349 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: at eighteen plus. She is pretty consistent with the type 350 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: of content she shares. You would look at Anna's TikTok 351 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: and be unaware that she actually was on OnlyFans. But 352 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: is that because the algorithm punishes creators who do try 353 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,479 Speaker 1: and push people from Instagram or TikTok to OnlyFans? Because 354 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 1: I've noticed that a lot of OnlyFans creators they have 355 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: to use specific language like oh spicy content and really 356 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: play around with it to suggest people to go onto 357 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: their part. But also, because Anna is a sex worker, 358 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: does that mean that she doesn't have another life? Like, 359 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: does this mean that she has She isn't allowed to 360 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: travel and have a glamorous life, and she isn't allowed 361 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: to be a nice person. 362 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 2: She is breaking down the stigma that. 363 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: A sex worker has particular personality. Actually, at all of 364 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: the characters, I agree, she's doing a really good job 365 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: at breaking down the stigma. But she can't be relying 366 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: on her underage audience to bump up her OnlyFans earnings, 367 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: and if you look at OnlyFans as rules, it states 368 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: that users must agree they are eighteen years or older 369 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: before they're able to purchase any explicit content. I feel 370 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: like the word that they must agree is important because. 371 00:17:58,720 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 2: This site is not fool proof. 372 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: Miners are lying about their age and falsifying their age 373 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: in order to gain access to it. It's pretty similar 374 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: to social media platforms where kids are pretending that they're 375 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: older in order to get them. Now, let's get back 376 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: into Mikayla's allegations. So she really hit Anna wear her? 377 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: She alleged that Anna doesn't care about her fans and 378 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: that the way she presents herself publicly is very different 379 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: to the real Anna. This is some of what she said. 380 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 5: Everything Anna does is calculated, but she masks the manipulation 381 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 5: extremely well with an innocent, sweet girl facade. Your fans 382 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 5: mean nothing to you, just like the animals you buy 383 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 5: and palm off to others watching you be praised online 384 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 5: for being kind and caring, But behind the facade. 385 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 4: Lived an evil person. 386 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 5: All while I'm receiving hate because I didn't create content 387 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 5: like you everything people accuse me of being is exactly 388 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 5: who you are. That was just the beginning of the 389 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 5: pot that started boiling within me. 390 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: I find it really interesting that Mikayla has brought up 391 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: Anna's pets. We all know that Anna travels the world, 392 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: yet her pets have become a huge part of her 393 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: personal brand. So she has a number of hairless cats 394 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: who remain at home for most of the time. There 395 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: is a bit of a question mark over who actually 396 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: looks after these pets whilst they're traveling all year. And 397 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: to say that your fans and also your animals mean 398 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: nothing to you is a really big thing to say 399 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: to someone like Anna Paul who has based this online 400 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: brand about being kind. And you know, if someone can't 401 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: be kind to animals, that does say a lot more 402 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: about them. It just shows how much this video went 403 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: there because literally every aspect of Anna was being put 404 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: onto the microscope and criticized. Well, she really did go 405 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: for the jugular, particularly when she started talking about Anna's 406 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: messaging around body positivity and saying that essentially she was 407 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: virtue signaling and doing it for clout. She then recounted 408 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: a time Anna met a fan saying. 409 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 5: This Anna, Remember about god awful trend of people posting 410 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 5: photos of influencers that they would and wouldn't feel comfortable 411 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 5: wearing a bikini around. Remember those slide shows people would 412 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 5: make with everyone in the family of all of you 413 00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 5: being labeled as safe and my photo was at the 414 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 5: and marked as I would never feel safe in a 415 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 5: bikinia around Michaela. Meanwhile, right before these videos were trending, 416 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 5: in twenty twenty one, on the South Bank Bridge, when 417 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 5: you were peak body positivity, love yourself version of Anna, 418 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 5: a plus sized fan came up to you and asked 419 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 5: for a hug in a picture. 420 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 4: You smiled at her. You told her that you loved her. 421 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 4: She told you how. 422 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 5: Your words online have helped her be more comfortable in 423 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 5: her body. The moment she walked away, you told Adis 424 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 5: that she was annoying and gross and you didn't want 425 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 5: to agree to the hug because she was fat and 426 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:29,959 Speaker 5: sweaty Adis laughed. 427 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 4: These were your words, Anna, I heard them. Things like 428 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 4: this were a common occurrence. 429 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: It was really sad because after Mickayla made these claims, 430 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: there were a number of women on tik tok who 431 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: created videos where they shared their fan photos with Anna 432 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: and they were saying, oh my god, I hope that 433 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: this wasn't about me, and they then retold their story 434 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: of meeting her. And as I said earlier, it's clear 435 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: how strategic Michayla has been with this messaging because it 436 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of me and girls when Caddie 437 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: Harring hits were you in George where it hurts you 438 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: know her man Candy and hers like. It's literally she's 439 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: gone body positivity, her fans, her pets, like everything that 440 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 1: we like about Anna she's saying is not true. And 441 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: this is how I'm going to show you it's not 442 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: true and prove it. Because a lot of people want 443 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: to meet Anna Paul. She's shut down Perth CBD. And 444 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: it's an experience that you always remember and you think, 445 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: oh my god, it was so great. When I met her, 446 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: she was just like she is on TikTok. But then 447 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: to hear the conversation that occurs will allegedly occurred after 448 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: she met a fan, it just hits you viscerally because 449 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: you're like, I cannot imagine having such a positive experience 450 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: but then having it completely altered. Hearing the reality of 451 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: what happened afterwards. Well, on the Mean Girl's comparison, somebody 452 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: said it reminds them of when Regina George would compliment 453 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: someone on their tartan skirt or their bracelet and then 454 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: be like, that's the fuggliest thing I've ever seen. An 455 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: accusation that's been gaining a lot of traction on TikTok 456 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: Is around Anna's upbringing. So Mikayla alleged that Anna lied 457 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: about it. So she has spoken in depth on her 458 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: social media channels about supposedly growing up poor, and I 459 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: think that this has been a big part of her appeal. 460 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: This Rags to Rich's story because it's kept her relatable 461 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: because even though we see her documenting this very lavish 462 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: lifestyle online, we're reminded by the fact that this is 463 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: the first time she's experiencing it because she grew up 464 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: with no Christmas presents and her family lived in a 465 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: very humble house. People feel happy for her that she's 466 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: able to gain this success, particularly when she gives her 467 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: parents very lavish things that she positions that they couldn't 468 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: afford and that she wants to spoil them. 469 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 3: Well. 470 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: According to Mikayla, she says that Anna allegedly grew up 471 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: in an upper middle class family. Here's some of what 472 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: she said. 473 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 5: Their dad, making triple the average Australian income per week 474 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 5: had them living in a beautiful house on the water 475 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 5: with a built in pool. I've seen the house in person. 476 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 5: It's beautiful. Being upper middle class is not being poor, Anna, 477 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 5: Your exaggerated stories for the Internet has always made your 478 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 5: dad upset and me well, just angry, real victim of 479 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 5: the system and poverty like you portrayed yourself online. 480 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 4: Remember that time when he called you out in the 481 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 4: living room. 482 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 5: He didn't understand why you would post such things and 483 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 5: he called them liars. But you need the story faking 484 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 5: your poverty so people excuse your schemes and wealth and 485 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 5: feel bad for you. Every calculated story is serving such 486 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 5: an important role in supporting the other lies this web 487 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 5: you're weaving to entrapt these people's pity. 488 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: These allegations have led to a lot of people going 489 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: back and doing their own research. I've seen some TikTokers 490 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: finding real estate dot Com listings of the house that 491 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: Anna allegedly grew up in, showing that. 492 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: It was a beautiful house on the water front, two. 493 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: Million dollar house. Somebody has alleged these are allegations. We 494 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: don't know how true they are. Everyone's turned into detectives, 495 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: haven't they had? So many of Anna Paul's supposed primary 496 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: school and high school friends have come out of the 497 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: woodwork given their viewer what she was like. And there's 498 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: been also a lot of people trolling back through. I'm 499 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: gonna say her papa, I can't remember his name, but 500 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: his his Instagram count to prove that he had a 501 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: number of nice cars whilst they were growing up, because 502 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: there was. Anna did make a claim that her parents 503 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: had to be given a car because they couldn't afford one. 504 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: And I'm seeing a lot of people clipping up content 505 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: that Anna has previously shared as a teenager and then 506 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: showing her completely contradicting herself in more recent vlogs. Well, 507 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: it does play into the allegations that Verukas Salt made 508 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: back in March last year. So she accused Anna of 509 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: allegedly neglecting her father, Hans. So she claimed that her 510 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: babysitter was dating Anna's dad and that she told her 511 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: Hans lived in his van and didn't have money for food, 512 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: and Ruka went on to say that she shared a 513 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: mutual friend with the Pools, who backed up the babysitters 514 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: claims and allegedly the way Anna and Adas treated their 515 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: dad was quote disgusting. Now. Anna's dad later came out 516 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: and said that the allegations were toxic misinformation. Interestingly, at 517 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: the time, Mikayla Tester weighed into the argument, saying that 518 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: Veruka's comments were not true, but did say that Hans 519 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: was a hippie and he was known for sleeping in 520 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,719 Speaker 1: his van. We're getting two very different pictures here because 521 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: Varuka's allegations are centered around the fact that the Paul 522 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: kids didn't support their father to the point where he's 523 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: having to live in a caravan and he needed support, 524 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: is what she's saying exactly. Then, from Mikayla, we are 525 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: been given the impression the Hans has been very upset 526 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: about the way that Anna has portrayed her childhood because 527 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: he worked hard to provide for his family and from 528 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: all accounts it sounds like they grew up in a 529 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: very nice household. Yeah, well, the claims don't really match up. 530 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: I mean in saying that it is possible for people's 531 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: financial situations to change throughout their lifestyle and a lot 532 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: of people were waiting for Ruka to weigh in on 533 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: Mikayla's recent claims, and she didn't disappoint, so she came 534 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: out swinging, labeling An a manipulative and a compulsive liar. 535 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: She wrote, she allowed the Internet to rip me a 536 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: new one while she sat in a room on a 537 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: cruise ship screaming at her dad to tell her what 538 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: he said to my son's abysitter in Brackets partner. She 539 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: knows everything I said was true. She was more than 540 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: happy to sit in silence and let her fans bully 541 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: me when I had pure intentions and told no lies 542 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: only one month after my son's death. Now, among her allegations, 543 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: she accused Anna of cosplaying, being poor, and stealing pieces 544 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: of Michayla's life story and presenting them as her own. 545 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: Ruka also alleged that Anna purposely set up Mikayla with 546 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: Adas so he could get a cut of her OnlyFans earnings. 547 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: She ended up writing this story took me five minutes 548 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: to write and post because it's factual. I know Anna 549 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: is sitting in her room talking to Addis and plotting 550 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: her response to Mikayla. That's why it's taking so long. 551 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: If Anna was who she says she is, she could 552 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: open her camera talk click post. She has to plan 553 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: her words carefully because it's going to be bullshit. This 554 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: may just be my algorithm. But one thing I've been 555 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: quite surprised about is the number of large creators who 556 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: were siding with Michayla and who were quite happy for 557 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: Anna Paul to be receiving this negativity. 558 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 3: Now. 559 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: I don't know whether it comes down to jealousy within 560 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 1: the industry, because Anna really has become TikTok sweetheart. Anything 561 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: she touches previously has turned to gold. She's incredibly popular, 562 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: and maybe some creators I'm not saying Varuka here, but 563 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 1: maybe there are some creators who are seeing this as 564 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: an opportunity to take her position. Well. People are definitely 565 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: taking joy out of it. There seems to have been 566 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: this mass pilon and to me, it kind of seems 567 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: that everyone's been waiting for that gotcha moment with Anna 568 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: Paul and now it's come. I am really not surprised 569 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: that this has happened. I actually predicted that Anna Paul 570 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: would be canceled this year, and it's not something that 571 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: I am joyous in getting right because it's horrible to 572 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: see anyone get canceled, no matter what the allegations are 573 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: against them. And in saying that, I mean, as we say, 574 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: we can't get into it legally, but it does annoy 575 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: me that people are piling on Anna when there have 576 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: been a lot of worse things said about her brother. 577 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 2: That is what is so confusing about the situation. 578 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: Does it come down to the fact that we expect 579 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: a lot less from Attis and that's why we're not 580 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: really shocked by these claims. That's not such a big 581 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: deal because when he first came to prominence in twenty twenty, 582 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: I think all of our initial opinions of him were 583 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: quite low. If you reflect on the stories that we 584 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: were covering in twenty twenty, it was around him trying 585 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: to sell cryptocurrency to his impressionable audience. He had this 586 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: real dickhead persona. He boasted about his fast cars and 587 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: his boats. In saying that, since twenty twenty two, he's 588 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: gone through this real transformation. That was after he broke 589 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: up with Mikayla Tester, he started to present himself completely differently. 590 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: He grew his hair, he wore more feminine clothes. He 591 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 1: also took himself offline, so he doesn't actually post content anymore. 592 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: He only appears in Anna's content. It also looked like 593 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: he was living a simpler lifestyle, like, yes, he was 594 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: going on these holidays, but he was in touch with 595 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: his feelings, journaling, he was painting. I more think it's 596 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: because the mainstream media can't actually report on what's been 597 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: said about Yeah, but that's not stopping people on TikTok. 598 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: On TikTok, people don't seem to understand the legal ramifications, 599 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: and that's why I'm confused that there is not more 600 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: being directed at Adas Pole. 601 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 3: Well. 602 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: It also has something to do with the fact that 603 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: Anna's got a much larger profile and he no longer 604 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: is online. He only appears in the background. I think 605 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: it's also because Anna hasn't come out and said anything, 606 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: so everyone's been almost creating their own narrative on TikTok, 607 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: and it's become a sport to. 608 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: Have a go at Anna. Paul No. 609 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,239 Speaker 1: I think it also comes down to the fact that 610 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: people feel cheated. They're like, you've told us that you're 611 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: one way, and then apparently behind closed doors you're another. 612 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: You do make a really good point, because it seems 613 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: like Anna Poul's biggest crime at the moment is that 614 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: she isn't a nice person as she presents herself on TikTok. 615 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: It reminds me of the cancelation of Ellen DeGeneres. It 616 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, what she's not exactly the 617 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: same when the cameras aren't rolling anymore. I also think 618 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: it's a gendered thing and as a society we seem 619 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 1: to have this thing where we love to tear women 620 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: down and it's almost a bit of a case of 621 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: tool poppy. 622 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 2: Again. 623 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: We can't get into the allegations made against Adams pol 624 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: but they are far worse than the allegations that have 625 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: been made against Anna Paul. There is no comparison. 626 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 3: Now. 627 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: We did hold off ondiscussing this scandal until show because 628 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: we were hoping that Anna Paul would have had an 629 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: opportunity to reply to the allegations at the time of recording, 630 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: though she has not, and this has despite it nearly 631 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: being a full week since Mikayla made the allegations, and 632 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: this has been very detrimental to her So far, she's 633 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: lost over four hundred thousand followers on TikTok and fifty 634 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: nine thousand on Instagram. Her skincare brand, Paulie, has also 635 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: lost over thirteen thousand followers. On the contrary, though Mikayla 636 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: has done well out of this situation. She has gained 637 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: over two hundred thousand followers on TikTok and forty five 638 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: thousand on Instagram. It seems like a lot of people 639 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: have left Anna's page to go and follow Mikayla. I'm 640 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: not entirely surprised that Anna hasn't said anything yet, because 641 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: she used the same strategy of staying quiet when varukas 642 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: Sault made the allegations against her dad. At the time, 643 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: her dad did come out and label it as toxic misinformation. 644 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: I didn't really agree with Varukasault saying, oh, she should 645 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: just jump on her stories and say something and quickly 646 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: post it, because these are really serious allegations that have 647 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: huge reputational damage for Anna paul. I think, though, what 648 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: she was saying was if she's so real and raw, 649 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: she should be able to explain away these comments. Obviously 650 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot more brewing behind the scenes. What Mikayla 651 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: Tester has said is extremely serious and I'm quite certain 652 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: that they are currently in talks with their lawyers. That's 653 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: why they need to be really careful with what they 654 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: say moving forward, because anything that they do say will 655 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: be used in evidence in that court case. Well, from 656 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: a PR perspective, I've been thinking about if I was 657 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: managing Anna Paul and how I'd actually respond to this, 658 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: and it's a really difficult one. We have to remember 659 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: that this only really happened a week or so ago, 660 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: which is a lifetime on TikTok. Yeah. I think Anna 661 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: and her team wanted to wait to see what the 662 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: response was like and analyze it from there. Good well, Michayla, 663 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: because Michaela has come out and made claims about Adams 664 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: Paul in the past, which she herself said were unfounded 665 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: and she actually made up previously just around their breakup 666 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: and petty things in that maybe they were hoping that 667 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: there might be a level of distrust towards world this 668 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: would all blow over, and think that they I don't 669 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: think that they thought people would take what Mikayla said 670 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: as seriously and as verbatim as they had. I think 671 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: that that is why they've left it brewing for a 672 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: little bit. 673 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 2: I also think that they. 674 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: Didn't want to comment on anything straight away because there 675 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: was a couple of days where the mainstream media wasn't 676 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: reporting on this story. 677 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 2: And if Anna was my client, I would. 678 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: Say, don't comment on it yet, because the second that 679 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: you comment on this story, that is when they can 680 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: start running it. I would argue that the backlash on 681 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: TikTok is more damaging to her than what's actually in 682 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: the mainstream media, particularly because the mainstream media are being 683 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: really careful with how they reported considering all the allegations 684 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: that have been made against Adams Paul. Mikayla Tester has 685 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: seemingly gone quiet on her own platform. When you go 686 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: over to her TikTok, she hasn't posted any new videos 687 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: since that video On Wednesday, she has been reposting a 688 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: lot of content about Anna. 689 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 2: Pol It Speaks. 690 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: Volumes that this video is still live on Mikayla's TikTok account, 691 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: because quite often when scandals like this erupt, the video 692 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: only lasts a few days before the other person's legal 693 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: team has issued them a cease and desist and ask 694 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: them to take it down immediately. It actually worries me 695 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: a lot, because, as we said, presumably the Polls have 696 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: engaged a lawyer, and when it comes to defamation, they 697 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: do take into consideration how many views a video has. 698 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: That video is aging towards twenty million views. That is 699 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: a lot of reputational damage to the Polls. I did 700 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: find it interesting that at no point Mikhayla used the 701 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: word allegedly, and at one stage when she was talking 702 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: about addis, she referenced that her points would stand up 703 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: in a court of law. Do you think she has 704 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: had legal advice? Yes, I definitely think she has because 705 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: this video was very different to other videos she's put 706 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: out there. She read from a script. It's clear there 707 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: was a lot of thought put into what was said. 708 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if the whole script was approved 709 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: by a lawyer that she worked with, or she formulated 710 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: it with maybe a PR expert. 711 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 2: To hit all of the right spots. 712 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: I think the reason this video is still up is 713 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: because Anna and Michayla are on pretty level playing fields. 714 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: They both make a lot of money, so it's not 715 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: as if Anna is reaching out to a smaller creator 716 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: and threatening her. David doesn't have all the power in 717 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: this situation, and it is really hard to actually launch 718 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: a successful defamation case. A lot of the claims that 719 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: Michayla's brought up, the Pauls would not want these going 720 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: to court because she might actually have some proof. 721 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 2: This is where things get really messy. 722 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 1: I totally understand Amy where you're coming from with the 723 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: claims about Adas. What has sort of shocked me, though, 724 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: is because Anna Paul does have such a loyal following, 725 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: I'm surprised that we haven't seen many people defending her online. 726 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 727 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just my algorithm, but I've 728 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: seen no one coming to anarticularly because some of the 729 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: comments that Mikayla has made about Anna, you could put 730 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: them down to being pure here say, I understand that 731 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: Michayla was in the inner sanctum, but when you look 732 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: at her motive, she's a scorned lover, you know what 733 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: I mean? But she doesn't want to go well for 734 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: the pol. But the consensus is and most people think this. 735 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,919 Speaker 1: People believe her people, But is it because we want 736 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: to believe that someone isn't that nice? 737 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 3: Like? 738 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 1: Why do we want to jump on that. The thing 739 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,919 Speaker 1: that's really sad about this is that these are two 740 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: very young girls. They're both in their mid twenties. This 741 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: scandal has gone international. We're seeing a lot of American 742 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: creators and UK creators commenting on it. It's going to 743 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: be detrimental for Anna Poul's brand and career on a 744 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: bigger scale. She doesn't come out and say something soon. 745 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: I think it's because Mikayla chose her timing very wisely. 746 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: She didn't just do it after she broke up with Addis. 747 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: You know, it's been years since they were a couple. 748 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 1: She looks like she's moved on, she's engaged, she's happy. Yeah, 749 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: And when you look at what's been going down with 750 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: Anna Pole, her popularity has been on the decline ever 751 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: since she broke up with her long term boyfriend Glenn 752 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 1: and when she launched her skincare brand poorly, because before 753 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: she never used to do brand deals. She used to 754 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: give people content and there didn't seem to be any 755 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: sort of transaction going on unless you were over on 756 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: her OnlyFans account. But for most people who consumed her 757 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: content and TikTok, she just put out content for free 758 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: and she never pushed any brand deals. Now she's got 759 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 1: a skincare brand that she's spooked. She's broken up with Glenn, 760 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: who everyone loved in her videos, and there's a lot 761 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: of rumors going on about her new boyfriend, Amrik. I mean, 762 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: she hasn't actually officially said that he's her boyfriends. A 763 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: lot of people are upset. They feel like they've been 764 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: let out of her life. They don't know what's going on. 765 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: They say, well, what else is true? Yeah, exactly. And 766 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 1: she's also done at a time where people are reflecting 767 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,800 Speaker 1: on the attention that we give sex workers like Bonnie Blue. 768 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: Do you guys think that Anna can come back from this. 769 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:43,879 Speaker 2: I think she. 770 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 1: Can come back from this, but it's going to be 771 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: very difficult. We need to hear from her soon, and 772 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 1: we need a convincing response because the longer the radio 773 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: silence goes, the longer the anger grows, and the more 774 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 1: narratives people start making up about her. 775 00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 2: That rhyme Sophie I did it. 776 00:36:59,520 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 3: Yeah. 777 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: I think that she probably will bounce back from this 778 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: because the way the internet works, it's so rapid pace. 779 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: I mean, a week of this scandal feels like forever. 780 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: Everyone's like, I can't believe she hasn't spoken, But in 781 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: a month or two time, people are probably going to 782 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: forget pretty quick. 783 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 2: I also will forget about it. 784 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,720 Speaker 1: But what's crazy is that normally when a big scandal 785 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,240 Speaker 1: like this happens, people don't tend to lose as many followers. 786 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: People actually gain more followers because people are interested in 787 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: all of the drama. Yeah, one hundred thousand followers, regardless 788 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: of if you started with seven million, is a lot 789 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,280 Speaker 1: of people to have just discarded. Yeah, we saw Matilda 790 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: Jeff when her scandal happens, she actually gained followers. I 791 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: think Anna could maybe gain some of those back when 792 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: she does put out and explain a video. But is 793 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 1: that just the way TikTok works? Because even if you 794 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: unfollow Anna poll, you're probably still going to get her 795 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: content back in your algorithm. Like I find when I 796 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: follow people, they usually see less of their content. So 797 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to affect her that much. 798 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: A lot of the time, these big scandals actually end 799 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: up bolstering both parties careers, and I think that this 800 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: was always going to happen to Anna Paul. There was 801 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: always going to be a scandal that threatened to cancel 802 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: her because that's the way we are, particularly in Australia 803 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: with tall poppy syndrome. 804 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 2: Whatever goes up has to come down. 805 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: Well that's where we're going to leave things today. 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