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Speaker 1: Good morning everybody. Welcome to the Daily Ods. My name

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Speaker 1: is Sam Kazowski. Alongside me is Zara Sidel, where the

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Speaker 1: co founders of the Daily Ods. Zara, how was your weekend?

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Speaker 2: It was fairly locked down.

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Speaker 3: How is yours?

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Speaker 1: I didn't leave my house, but that's exactly what we're

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Speaker 1: being asked to do, and the case numbers reflected a

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Speaker 1: pretty dire situation here in New South Wales. Zara give

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Speaker 1: us the national rundown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it wasn't a great day, let's not sugarcoat it.

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Speaker 2: In New South Wales there were one two hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighteen cases yesterday and sadly also six deaths reported. There

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Speaker 2: has been a change in the way that New South

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Speaker 2: Wales Health is publishing information about cases. Late last week

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Speaker 2: they stopped publishing and the Premier stopped announcing how many

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Speaker 2: cases were infectious in the community and whether or not

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Speaker 2: cases were linked. Presumably this is a shift away from

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Speaker 2: focusing on the numbers as we look towards vaccination rates.

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Speaker 1: Interestingly, for eagle eyed observers of the press conference, the

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Speaker 1: press conference venue in New South Wales has changed as well,

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Speaker 1: after a positive case was found in the building where

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Speaker 1: Premier Bergiclian would hold her press conference. They've now moved

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, in Victoria, there were ninety two cases yesterday and

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Speaker 2: the Premier set expectations pretty clearly. Here's what he said.

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Speaker 3: We see far too many cases today for us to

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Speaker 3: be able to seriously consider opening up later on this week. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: with almost one hundred cases today, where many of them

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Speaker 3: remain mysteries, many of them were out in the community

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Speaker 3: during their infectious period, it is not going to be

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Speaker 3: possible for us to be able to open up our

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Speaker 4: Of days time.

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Speaker 2: The whole country turned to the ACT for some better news,

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Speaker 2: where there was only thirteen locally acquired cases and all

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Speaker 2: our Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Across the ditch in New Zealand and there were eighty

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Speaker 1: three locally acquired cases of COVID, bringing the latest outbreak

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Speaker 1: new cases were found in Auckland, with the other case

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Speaker 1: in Wellington. Prime Minister Justinda Ardern warns that Auckland is

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Speaker 1: likely to remain in lockdown for at least another fortnight.

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Speaker 2: The US has urged all US citizens to leave the

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Speaker 2: Kabul Airport area, citing a quote specific and credible threat.

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Speaker 2: The warning comes after a suicide bombing near the airport

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Speaker 2: A US military drone strike in Afghanistan was also confirmed

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Speaker 2: on this situation, Andrew Quilty tweeted, I've had three young

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Speaker 2: hear two weeks after a victory in a twenty year war.

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Speaker 1: And today's good news. Two Afghan Paralympic athletes, Zakia Kudadadi

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Speaker 1: the reason he's here to talk is because yesterday a

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Speaker 1: movement was launched called the cool Down. And this is

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Speaker 1: a movement by athletes calling for bold climate action to

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Speaker 1: It's an interesting connection that we don't often think about,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us today on the Daily OZ. Can

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Speaker 1: you quickly tell us what the fundamentals of the cool

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Speaker 4: Sure? Thanks for having me. The cool Down is a

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Speaker 4: with what scientists are telling us we have to do

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Speaker 4: sports that we love. And so you know, as an

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Speaker 1: You've had some absolute rock stars of Australian sport join

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Speaker 4: What we're really trying to do is show that there

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Speaker 4: the point where the titles turn on this issue in society,

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Speaker 4: overwhelmingly the majority of Australians want action on climate change.

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Speaker 4: We can see just how bleak the future is if

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Speaker 4: think having athletes playing their part and actually adding their

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Speaker 4: benefit so much economically from bold, strong climate action, building

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Speaker 4: this opportunity would be really for future generations to be

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Speaker 1: It definitely is a different take on the climate messaging

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Speaker 1: that we've seen. We've seen coordinated efforts from music, we've

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Speaker 1: how much politicians rely on sport to look like their

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Speaker 4: Well, I believe sport is that it's best when it's

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Speaker 4: And you know, as the recent IPCC report showed, like,

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Speaker 4: One of the things that we've heard from politicians is

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Speaker 1: Have you heard anecdotally from other members of the sporting

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Speaker 4: Well, I think as Australians after the recent bushfires, climate

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Speaker 4: And you know, I think the thing that often gets

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Speaker 4: as I said, you know, every aspect of our lives, including.

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Speaker 1: Sport, continuing your sports metaphor, I think it's fair to

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Speaker 4: Well, we've seen in COVID when we actually listen to

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Speaker 4: that commitment. To add another sports analogy. It's often said, oh,

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Speaker 1: That's a sensational sporting analogy for the twenty three year

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Speaker 1: old listening to this at home, what we hear from

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Speaker 4: thirty three, and to read that fifty percent of the

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Speaker 4: in my lifetime, and the whole of my lifetime we've

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Speaker 4: it is hard not to get too discouraged. Having said that, Like,

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Speaker 4: to me, this is the most life giving and exciting

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Speaker 4: that does change things. You know, we're the last generation

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Speaker 4: bunch of these tipping points that scientists tell us we're

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Speaker 4: and biadversity city crises are huge and require everyone to

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Speaker 4: be doing their bits, so you know, get active, find

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Speaker 4: people who are doing things, join the call down. We're

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Speaker 4: hoping to really ramp up pressure on the Australian government

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Speaker 4: fair share.

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Speaker 1: And how can people join the calldown?

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Speaker 4: The cooldown dot com dot i U is probably the

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Speaker 4: best best place to.

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Speaker 1: Go, epic. Dave Pocock, former Australian while Ofby's Captain and

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Speaker 1: sporting and climate legend, thank you for joining us on

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Speaker 1: the daily OS and thank you for your continued work

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Speaker 1: in this space.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Sam and thanks what you guys are doing. Cheers