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Speaker 1: Well, hello, it's Amanda Keller here. You might have heard.

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Speaker 1: I've got a podcast called Double a Chattery with my

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Speaker 1: best friend Anita. She has a real job, she's a

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Speaker 1: forensic psychologist, so she brings a lot of insight to

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Speaker 1: our discussions. As for me, of course, I contribute tears.

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Speaker 1: I contribute the most incredibly insightful opinions as you can imagine,

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Speaker 1: and I gofore with laughter through a lot of it.

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Speaker 1: We talk about the stuff that really matters, the stuff

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Speaker 1: that doesn't matter, and the stuff that just piques our interest.

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Speaker 1: This week, we've talked about a couple of things that

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Speaker 1: we've come across through the week that have enraged us.

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Speaker 1: One is the idea of Karen's. I think it's time

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Speaker 1: we reclaim the Karen. Have listened to a little snippet

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Speaker 1: of this week's episode, I'll see on the other side,

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Speaker 1: I think the whole Karen concept probably took off during COVID.

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Speaker 1: Do you think where you'd see women with extreme emotions

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Speaker 1: yelling at staff in shopping centers, yelling at people in

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Speaker 1: the street. This seemed to be the extreme ends of

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Speaker 1: behavior and they got as Karen's. And I'd like to

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Speaker 1: see the manager that kind of trope.

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Speaker 2: That the whole idea behind that entitled middle class or

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Speaker 2: upper middle class weight woman who is demanding and entitled.

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Speaker 1: That's right, but I do think that that trope has

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Speaker 1: now spread further down the chain where anytime a woman

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Speaker 1: voices an opinion or is outspoken or goes against the grain,

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Speaker 1: they're now called a Karen. And I know it annoys

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Speaker 1: people who are called karen, but it's the new way

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Speaker 1: of using the word nag. I think it's very easy

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Speaker 1: to label women who are expressing an opinion as being nags.

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Speaker 1: And it's so demeaning and so demoralizing and chops down

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Speaker 1: any intent you have of entering a conversation or having

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Speaker 1: an opposing point of view. It's so demeaning. It's a

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Speaker 1: stripture power from you.

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Speaker 2: I've always found it very difficult in many business situations

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Speaker 2: to be a woman having an opinion and to be

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Speaker 2: listened to, to be heard. And I think that this

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Speaker 2: is a dismissive ploy ploy or action to go and

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Speaker 2: kind of say I don't have to listen to this.

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Speaker 2: You're just being a karen.

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Speaker 1: You're being a shrill Yeah, you're being a shrill female.

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Speaker 1: You're being a Karen. So time to re embrace the Karen.

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Speaker 1: For all the people who are called Karen, they'd appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: There's the time also to say you're not going to

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Speaker 1: take my power away by doing that.

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Speaker 2: I think that the irony of this is I'm just

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Speaker 2: thinking of it now, is that if you embrace your Karen,

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Speaker 2: how do you do that without being seen as strident

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Speaker 2: and shrill.

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Speaker 1: All the things that we don't want to be. We

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Speaker 1: don't want to see those women at Walmart yelling at

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Speaker 1: everybody either. But people, as I said further down the chain,

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Speaker 1: I'm allowed to express themselves without being called that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I absolutely agree with you around I think

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Speaker 2: that that term has been generalized to be more than

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Speaker 2: this entitled person who has no right probably to go

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Speaker 2: and belittle a service person who trying to do the

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Speaker 2: best that they can. Sure, you know, reserve it for that,

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Speaker 2: I guess if you need to.

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Speaker 1: But now it's become would you mind tide in your room?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Karen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the piece that I have difficulty with.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know whether you know it is it?

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Speaker 2: You know the things that parents used to tell kids

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Speaker 2: when things were you know, they were getting teased on

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Speaker 2: the playground or something. It's just ignore it. Do we

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Speaker 2: just ignore it? Does it go away? Will that meme

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Speaker 2: eventually go away? Or will be replaced by something else?

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Speaker 2: It absolutely will.

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Speaker 1: They'll always be a word for a woman who's voicing

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Speaker 1: an opinion, you know, mouth, the shrill nag will always

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Speaker 1: be a word for it. True. Yeah, and all the

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Speaker 1: things I've called you behind your back. I want to

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Speaker 1: see the rest of my list.

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Speaker 2: No I say, no, no I don't.

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