1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh, 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily Oz. It's Tuesday, 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: the tenth of June. I'm Lucy Tassel. 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: I'm Billy Fitzsimon's. 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: Last week, Aaron Patterson, who is accused of the murder 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: of three people and the attempted murder of another, took 8 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: the stand in her own defense. Patterson told the court 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: her version of the events of the fatal lunch she hosted, 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: a meal she now admits must have contained death cap mushrooms. 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: In today's episode, we'll recap the first week of Patterson's 12 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: testimony and how it squares with what we've learned in 13 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: the trial so far. So Lucy. 14 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: Last Monday is when we first learned that Aaron Patterson 15 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: would actually be in the witness box for this trial, 16 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: which is a surprise because she didn't have to do that, right, Yeah. 17 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: She did not, And I think it's not editorializing to 18 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 2: say I was very surprised. That's because defendants in criminal 19 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: trials are not required to testify, and it's rare that 20 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 2: they do, so that means the defense kind of builds 21 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: its case around calling other witnesses to kind of speak 22 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: for the defendant, and also by asking questions of the 23 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: prosecution's witnesses. Obviously, the prosecution and the defense, the two 24 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 2: different sides can ask questions of each other's witnesses. 25 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: And it's because the burden of proof is on the prosecution, right, Yes, 26 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: so Aaron Patterson doesn't necessarily actually have to prove that 27 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: she didn't do it. The prosecution just has to prove 28 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: that she did it. 29 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: Yes, And when we say did it, we mean intentionally 30 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: poisoned a meal. Yes, that's the allegation. But yeah, that's 31 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: the concept of innocent until proven guilty, and it's the 32 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: prosecution's jump to prove that she is guilty. 33 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: Got it. 34 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: So when a defendant testifies in that rare case, they 35 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: get asked questions by their own lawyers first, who obviously 36 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: are interested in making sure they defend themselves. That's like 37 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 2: the key verb. So we might hear the defense asking 38 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: questions about their client's perspective on the events that are 39 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: the subject of the trial. So in this case, the 40 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 2: July twenty twenty three lunch, and that's to convince the 41 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 2: jury of their case. The danger and the reason that 42 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: defendants tend not to do. This is because they also 43 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: have to be cross examined by the prosecution, so the 44 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: other side, those questions will usually be more pointed, more direct. 45 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 2: And again, as we say, the prosecution is trying to 46 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: prove that the defendant did something, so the questioning is 47 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: going to be very different, and we definitely saw those 48 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: two approaches in Patterson's trial this week. 49 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: Before we go on and explain what exactly happened last 50 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: week in this case, I think for anyone who isn't 51 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: as familiar with this story, do you want to just 52 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: explain who Aaron Patterson is and what she is accused of. 53 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. Aaron Patterson is a fifty year old woman 54 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: who lives in the regional town of lean Gatha in 55 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: eastern Victoria. She is married to a man named Simon Patterson, 56 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 2: and they have two children. Erin and Simon married in 57 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: two thousand and seven and separated in twenty fifteen. They've 58 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 2: never been divorced, but they've also never got back together. 59 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: In July twenty twenty three, Erin invited five people over 60 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: to lunch, Simon, his parents, Don and Gail, and his 61 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: aunt and uncle Heather and Ian Wilkinson. Now, Simon told 62 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: Erin the night before the lunch that he would not attend, 63 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: and we know that from texts that have been shown 64 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 2: in court and also Simon's evidence and this week Erin's evidence. 65 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: The lunch was held at Aaron's home. Don, Gail, Heather, 66 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: and Ian all came. As I said, not Simon. All 67 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: four of those people became very ill after the lunch. 68 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: They all went to hospital where Don, Gailee, and Heather 69 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: later died with suspected death cap mushroom poisoning. Ian however, survived, 70 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: and he went on to give evidence at this trial. 71 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: And Ian is the uncle of Erin's husband, Yes, exactly, 72 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: so he is the sole survivor of this. 73 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: Lunch other than Aaron. Yes, got it. Erin has also 74 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: given evidence that she became ill following the lunch too, 75 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: though not as sick as her guests obviously did so. 76 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: Erin was giving evidence last week, and that came after 77 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: weeks of other people also giving evidence, because this trial 78 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: has now gone on for several weeks. Right, Yes, what 79 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: else did we learn when Erin took the stand? 80 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 2: We heard a lot, which is understandable when a person 81 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: is asked questions all day for four and a half days. 82 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: Erin began giving evidence on Monday afternoon. I'll try and 83 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: give you some of the biggest moments, but just to say, 84 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: like there is so much, let's start with the lunch itself. 85 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: This was something that her defense barrister, Colin Mandy sc 86 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: took her through. We know that Erin served her guests 87 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 2: a beef Wellington Traditionally. I don't know if you've ever 88 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: had a beef Wellington haven't. I think I must have once. 89 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: But anyway, traditionally it's cooked as one big, large baked dish. 90 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: It's like a log. You cut it and you serve 91 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: it in slices. So we have already heard from other 92 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 2: witnesses in this trial though, so like from Ian Wilkinson, 93 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: for example, that Erin prepared individual beef Wellington's for her guests. 94 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: Now on the stand last week, she said this was 95 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: because she couldn't find a big enough piece of beef 96 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: for a whole log, as the recipe calls for, so 97 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: she bought individual steaks. Another big element of beef Wellington 98 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 2: is this mushroom paste that kind of wraps around the 99 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: big piece of beef, which Erin told her barrister she 100 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 2: made using some woolies mushrooms and some dried mushrooms from 101 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: her pantry. It also goes for procudo, but she said 102 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 2: she didn't put protrudo in because one of the lunch 103 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: guests don doesn't eat pork, so she substituted that. So 104 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: she's made a couple of changes to the recipe, but 105 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: the key thing is she makes this paste of mushrooms 106 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: that wraps around the beef. In the days following the lunch, 107 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 2: doctors were suspecting death cap poisoning. After of course, her 108 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: four guests have shown up at hospital and they're very unwell. 109 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 2: When authorities were starting to get involved, Erin told health workers, 110 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 2: like health authorities, she had bought mushrooms at an Asian 111 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: grocer in Eastern Melbourne, and that actually sparked a massive 112 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: search by authorities to find if there was an Asian 113 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: grocer in Eastern Melbourne selling death cap mushrooms well, because 114 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 2: that would be a massive concern, right, yeah, that would 115 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 2: be a huge public health issue. And so that's based 116 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: on evidence those workers have given to the court during 117 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: the trial. Now, in terms of what Erin has said, 118 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: she said she stored these mushrooms in a tupperware container 119 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: for some months. On the stand last week, though, she 120 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: admitted she now believes that dried mushrooms she'd foraged could 121 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: have been in that tupperware, and that she could have 122 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: unknowingly foraged death cap mushrooms. She's denied intentionally foraging for 123 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: death caps or intentionally poisoning the meal, but has accepted 124 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: on the stand that they must have been in there. 125 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: Lucy, I have so many more questions, but before we 126 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: get to them, here is a quick message from USWANSA. 127 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: When we say foraging, do we mean she found these 128 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: mushrooms in the wild. 129 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: Yes. 130 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: So she's no longer saying that she bought them at 131 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: this Asian grosser. She's now saying that she literally found 132 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: them in a forest, sumwherre or in the wild somewhere. 133 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: So this is one of the interesting aspects of Erin's evidence, 134 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: and it's also the kind of thing that typically prevents 135 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: defendants from testifying. Erin has, on the stand last week, 136 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: admitted to telling authorities lies. And I want to be 137 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: super clear. As journalists, we have to be incredibly careful 138 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: about what we say about an active ongoing trial. We 139 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 2: would never normally say this person has lied, but Erin 140 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: has to the defense and the prosecution, admitted that in 141 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: her original police interview, which was recorded on the fifth 142 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: of August twenty twenty three, she told police she had 143 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 2: I'm quoting her, never foraged, as in gone out and 144 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: looked for mushrooms. And she has now admitted on the 145 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: stand that this was a lie, that she had in 146 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: fact done so, so telling authorities that these mushrooms must 147 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: have come from an Asian groser. She had gone to 148 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: an Asian grocer, but she was not telling them the 149 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: whole truth, which was that she was beginning to worry. 150 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 2: She said that she had accidentally picked up death cap 151 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: mushrooms while going out into the wild and searching for 152 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: mushrooms in her area. 153 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: Okay, so she admitted to lying about foraging. Yes, was 154 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: there anything else that she admitted to lying about? 155 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: So there was another big one that she admitted to 156 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: lying to police about, and that is about owning a 157 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: food dehydrator. 158 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 1: I've seen this, I've seen the headlines about this. 159 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: Yes, although I suppose I one is partly true. So, 160 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 2: as I said in her police interview that was the 161 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: fifth of August twenty twenty three, she told police she 162 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: didn't own a dehydrator. That was partly true, I say, 163 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 2: because two days earlier she was seen on CCTV footage 164 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 2: disposing of the dehydrator at the local tip. 165 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: Got it. 166 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: So in that moment she did not own a dehydrator, 167 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 2: but she previously had and she used it to dehydrate mushrooms. 168 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: Right, and so in the court case last week, she 169 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: admitted to using the dehydrator on the mushrooms that were 170 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: used in the beef Wellington pie. Yes is that pie? 171 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 2: Yes, it's like a yeah, it's pies. Cool. Yeah. So 172 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: she told police she didn't own one. They said, why 173 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: do you have a manual for a dehydrator? And she 174 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,119 Speaker 2: said maybe I owned one in the past and paraphrasing 175 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 2: this is the general thrust, got it. But yes, she 176 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: has since admitted in court saying it wasn't entirely true 177 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: to tell police that I didn't own a dehydrator, and 178 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 2: she has admitted that her fingerprints are confirmed to have 179 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: been on the dehydrator that police took from the tip. 180 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 2: I'll just say, though, what she has maintained across questioning 181 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: by with the defense and the prosecution is that she 182 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 2: did not intentionally forage for death cap mushrooms. She did 183 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: not intentionally put them in the meal, and she did 184 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: not intend to kill any of the people who later died. 185 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: So my understanding of this case is that she is 186 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: not denying that there were death cap mushrooms in the 187 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: meal that she cooked for the four guests at her house. Yes, 188 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: what she is denying is that it was intentionally death 189 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: cap mushrooms and that she intentionally killed three people. 190 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: Yes, she denies that she sought them out, that she 191 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: dehydrated them intentionally. All these things got it, which intent 192 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: is one of the things that the prosecution has to 193 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: prove in order for the jury to make a finding 194 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 2: of murder. She's saying that was absolutely not my intention. 195 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: Was there anything else that she lied about or admitted 196 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: to lying about. 197 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 2: There's not so much a lie, but kind of something 198 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: that she clarified through a few days of evidence. So 199 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: when this trial began, we heard in both the defense 200 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 2: and the prosecution's opening statements that Aaron had led her 201 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: guests to believe that she had been diagnosed with ovarian 202 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: cancer and was seeking their advice over lunch on how 203 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 2: to tell her children. 204 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: And did she have cancer? 205 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: No. We also heard this point about her kind of 206 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 2: explaining a diagnosis from Ian Wilkinson when he gave evidence 207 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 2: last Wednesday. Under questioning from the defense, Erin said she 208 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: had a history of ovarian cancer in her family and 209 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 2: was worried about it. She added that in the past 210 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: Don and Gail had shown her care and concern whenever 211 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 2: she so that's Simon's parents. That they'd shown her care 212 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 2: and concern whenever she discussed medical issues with them, and 213 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: she had a desire for that interest in her well 214 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 2: being to continue. She told her defense barrister she was 215 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: quote not proud of this, but that she had led 216 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: her guests to quote believe that I might be needing 217 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: some treatment in regards to ovarian cancer in the next 218 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: few weeks. She's since admitted she was never diagnosed. Instead, 219 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: she told the court she was actually planning to get 220 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: gastric bypass surgery following decades of struggling with her body 221 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: image and with disordered eating. She told her barrister she 222 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: would need the support of her in laws if she 223 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: did get that operation. So that's a weight loss operation, yes, 224 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 2: but that she had ultimately lied to them about why 225 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: she would need their help. Then, under cross examination from 226 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: the prosecutor, doctor Bennett Rogers, Aaron said she didn't think 227 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: she had explicitly told her guests that she had been 228 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: diagnosed with ovarian cancer. She agreed she wanted to lead 229 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 2: them to believe she had cancer. It's a nuance. It's 230 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: it's a nuance, and it's the sort of thing that 231 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: can come out when you're being asked questions about the 232 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 2: same thing by two different people with two different approaches. 233 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so today is Tuesday. Yes, is Aaron Patterson 234 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: still on the stand today? 235 00:12:59,120 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: She is. 236 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 1: And I remember we reported last week in one of 237 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: our headline podcasts that the judge has said that this 238 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: trial is going to go on for longer than he 239 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: initially expected. 240 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: Yes. I think that's probably because he wouldn't have expected 241 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: Eron to give evidence. As I said, it's a rare occasion. 242 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 2: But yes, Justice Christopher Beale has told the jurors that 243 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: proceedings will continue for at least another week, at which 244 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 2: point he'll let them know if they can go off 245 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 2: to deliberate, or if there's more evidence that needs to 246 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: be presented. 247 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: Interesting. Well, we will keep everyone updated on what happens there. 248 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: It is really a case that literally has the attention 249 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: of the whole world. Yeah, they are a journalists from 250 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: all over the world who are in this court in 251 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: Victoria to find out what is happening in this court 252 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: and report on it. Lucy, thank you so much for 253 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: explaining it. Thanks Billy, and thank you so much for 254 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: listening to this episode of The Daily os. If you'd 255 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: like to support us, if you can click follow on 256 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: Spotify or Apple. It really helps other people find us 257 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: and helps us climb up those charts. 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