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Speaker 2: It seems as though Meta, Facebook, Instagram want their name
Speaker 2: to remain in the press.
Speaker 1: Not too long.
Speaker 2: Ago, it was yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yeah, because
Speaker 2: they had that really wild layoff. Think it was like
Speaker 2: thirteen thousand employees, just like before Christmas in terrible timing.
Speaker 1: But who has worse timing? Google?
Speaker 2: I think just laid off like eleven thousand employees right
Speaker 2: into the new year.
Speaker 1: Again again, what are we doing?
Speaker 3: What are we doing?
Speaker 2: A happy Christmas news period? Yeah, but what is job
Speaker 2: security in twenty twenty three? It's not there. Back to
Speaker 2: the point though, basically something happened at Meta where the
Speaker 2: board at Meta is asking Instagram and Facebook to consider
Speaker 2: taking away the rule that says you can't.
Speaker 1: Show nips off, which.
Speaker 2: Is fantastic, And this is just information at this time
Speaker 2: of recording. At this point, it's still in limbo. It's
Speaker 2: a conversation and Meta has sixty days to respond to
Speaker 2: the board and then we know if we can bear
Speaker 2: our nips freely. So watch this space. But what I
Speaker 2: will say, and what I'm getting bored of is.
Speaker 1: Like these.
Speaker 2: Objectively tiny leaps for humankind being just like blown out
Speaker 2: of proportion because I'm feeling like babes of all the
Speaker 2: things you let slide on Facebook and Instagram, I've seen
Speaker 2: some real cook stuff, like stuff that is scarring me
Speaker 2: to this day.
Speaker 1: You're letting a little nip be the hill you die on.
Speaker 2: It's so boring to me, it's so played out, And
Speaker 2: it also makes me reconsider, not even reconsider, but it
Speaker 2: makes me way more cynical about like corporate responsibility because
Speaker 2: like it's all the things that are really great for
Speaker 2: pr Like remember when Instagram was like we're taking away likes,
Speaker 2: your mental health, your layers, in your layers, I can
Speaker 2: still see them, and I believe that you believe that.
Speaker 2: You know, I believe that you believe that. But then
Speaker 2: like just be a corporation with your chest my other
Speaker 2: gripe and we'll get into it on the podcast is
Speaker 2: you know. I think that like the conversation about like
Speaker 2: free the nip not free the nip is just so
Speaker 2: twenty ten feminism, and like I want to be having
Speaker 2: more complex conversations or at least like if we're going
Speaker 2: to put our brains towards making change, let's make it
Speaker 2: count in a big way, because I promise you, I
Speaker 2: promise you that there are women who still aren't allowed
Speaker 2: to vote, still aren't allowed to own homes, still aren't
Speaker 2: allowed to decide for themselves what their body autonomy is.
Speaker 2: And then here we're stuck in this redundant conversation about
Speaker 2: whether or not you can show a nip on Instagram.
Speaker 2: You don't even want to use Instagram like that. Just
Speaker 2: yesterday you're like, I'm sick of this ap my mental health,
Speaker 2: and now today you don't even want to be here.
Speaker 4: All right, So ridden me this, when, if and when
Speaker 4: Facebook freeze the nip, will you get nips out?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I don't have Like getting my nips out is not
Speaker 2: a matter of like whether or not Facebook is going
Speaker 2: to penalize me about it or not. Right, Like, I
Speaker 2: don't feel that strongly pulled to it either way. In
Speaker 2: the same way, when Facebook released captions, people who didn't
Speaker 2: have to monetize themselves on Instagram weren't moved. Of course,
Speaker 2: people disabled people were like, this is fantastic because we
Speaker 2: love accessibility, But it was such a small part of
Speaker 2: the conversation. It was definitely a tool to meet people
Speaker 2: who sell stuff have an easy time selling stuff, right.
Speaker 2: How Yeah, So when captions came out, they framed it
Speaker 2: as accessibility, right, so I thought it was great. However,
Speaker 2: the captions weren't accessible. They weren't decoding people's language properly.
Speaker 2: You still had to type to edit them. It wasn't
Speaker 2: the most advanced formula, come to find out. At the
Speaker 2: same time Instagram was uploading. So Instagram was introducing all
Speaker 2: these other things make it easier to shop, easier to shop,
Speaker 2: easy to add links, easier to add locations, easier to
Speaker 2: turn your page into a shop. Always to assist you
Speaker 2: in spending more time on the platform to buy stuff.
Speaker 4: Interesting, So are they doing like the thing.
Speaker 2: Where they and even now captions haven't worked on reels
Speaker 2: since it launched full stop full stop auto captions, they's
Speaker 2: never come up.
Speaker 4: Were they doing that like to stract away from the
Speaker 4: fact that I was making it.
Speaker 2: I think they did it to like prime people for
Speaker 2: all these changes that were coming. So give people like
Speaker 2: what could be pitched as a win or pitch to
Speaker 2: something for the greater community. While you're adding in all
Speaker 2: these shopping function all these consumption functions, you know, consumption function.
Speaker 2: It's a good way, Yes, I just think, like the
Speaker 2: nips conversation is like number one, it's white feminism one
Speaker 2: oh one, because I promise you it's it's the same
Speaker 2: like derivative of the pay gap conversation, right, it's the
Speaker 2: same deributive of the girl boss conversation. It's like presuming
Speaker 2: that the woman who's most impacted by this is the
Speaker 2: woman like capital W Like every woman is impacted this
Speaker 2: in the impacted by this in the same way. And
Speaker 2: so here's where we'll focus our attention. And it's like
Speaker 2: in the grand scheme of thing where we talk about
Speaker 2: like the emancipation of women, we talk about like getting
Speaker 2: women to a point where they're overcoming their own suffering.
Speaker 2: Showing your nips on this social media platform that is
Speaker 2: going to be obsolete in the next five years isn't
Speaker 2: the win we think it's gonna be. We think it's
Speaker 2: it's such a distraction technique. It like dilutes the conversation.
Speaker 2: It makes it so one dimensional, It makes it so
Speaker 2: like bottom of the barrel, like this is.
Speaker 1: Empowerment and not that it needs to be complex.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that everything needs to be like this
Speaker 2: really draining conversation, but.
Speaker 1: Then you have to start thinking like who is this full?
Speaker 1: Like who is this really full?
Speaker 2: When we're talking about autonomy of self, when we're talking
Speaker 2: about how much you should be able.
Speaker 1: To show or not show, who is this for?
Speaker 2: Because like, at the same time, we have Instagram penalizing
Speaker 2: people like sex workers who show their bodies freely every
Speaker 2: single day, penalizing bigger bodies, disabled bodies for just existing
Speaker 2: And suddenly you're like, let's get the nips out. That'll
Speaker 2: be like that's gonna be a win for everyone. It's
Speaker 2: just like so like one dimensional and it's just it's
Speaker 2: gonna be the thing.
Speaker 1: It's gonna do what Instagram wants it to do.
Speaker 2: As well, Like it's gonna be like this is a
Speaker 2: win for women, like when they do like the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three and if you wrap up.
Speaker 1: Like we did one for women.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like I don't know, like are we still
Speaker 2: not like are we still having these conversations? But I
Speaker 2: just think like the average person has even less of
Speaker 2: a grasp on why we're having these conversations. Like we
Speaker 2: know these conversations are happening, but if you go and
Speaker 2: ask an average person on the street, why is it
Speaker 2: important that nipples aren't censored.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna link it back to where
Speaker 1: it needs.
Speaker 3: To be linked to.
Speaker 2: I see, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: think it's clicking. I don't think that they're going to
Speaker 2: feel represented by that decision either.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think I would.
Speaker 2: You know, it's okay, cool, it's another cool feature like
Speaker 2: Instagram quiet mode that came out the other day, like
Speaker 2: an out of office sphere DMS or something.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, cool, I'm gonna do that right now.
Speaker 4: That's the real wind for women from no never. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a cool way to think of it. I just like,
Speaker 4: I'm so tapped out of nipple conversation.
Speaker 1: That's exactly. It doesn't affect me.
Speaker 4: I don't anyone to see my nipples tapped out.
Speaker 2: And if we're gonna spend all this time, money and
Speaker 2: energy having conversations, and if you know, you end up
Speaker 2: having the luxury of reaching that many people and being
Speaker 2: able to like instill something of value. It's not whether
Speaker 2: or not you can show a nipple on Instagram. You'll live,
Speaker 2: I promise you you'll. We need to see a peace,
Speaker 2: We need to see the peace nipple with the hair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: If you know what I mean, I apologize.
Speaker 2: And if you're a bad bitch, you nipples already on
Speaker 2: Instagram anyway, tax you're you're not scared of authority.
Speaker 1: You're not scared of a little a little algorithm. You're
Speaker 1: not scared of a shadow band.
Speaker 4: Unipples will be out, So mark one word to say
Speaker 4: to you, eat my ass.
Speaker 1: Flex and frames, flex and fremes, never miss a beat.
Speaker 2: We are going to be giving a call to the winner.
Speaker 2: Oh not the winner, There's been more than one. But
Speaker 2: we have a live show with Specs Savor. It's called
Speaker 2: Always Sonny. And as part of that, we have five
Speaker 2: hundred no that's a lie, one hundred VIPs who are
Speaker 2: going to be coming and we're going to call a
Speaker 2: couple of them because we do have favorites. And these
Speaker 2: are name Will they pick up the phone?
Speaker 1: Who knows? But let's ring them and see this.
Speaker 4: Sheik's name is Beatrice, which reminds me of those little.
Speaker 3: Shry to a voice, Hello Beatrice, seeking.
Speaker 4: Hello Beatrice, it's flexing froomes Hi.
Speaker 3: How are you good?
Speaker 4: How are you?
Speaker 2: Oh good?
Speaker 4: Thank you look beautiful voice New Zealander.
Speaker 2: Yes, I am from is pretending like we didn't just
Speaker 2: get this into this intel. Literally three seconds before we
Speaker 2: picked up the phone to call you. Also, fan was like,
Speaker 2: should I do a little voice? I was expecting some
Speaker 2: improv It didn't happen. We're excited to be speaking to you.
Speaker 2: By the way, I do want to say I appreciate
Speaker 2: the way you picked up the phone because we've had
Speaker 2: a few people who've done that. Hey, which, as we name,
Speaker 2: you've got to grow out of it.
Speaker 4: You can't say your name in case it's the irs?
Speaker 1: The irs? Are we on the run? Anyway?
Speaker 2: I always em and we do digress. You have one
Speaker 2: VIP tickets to the Flex and Rooms Always Sunny Live
Speaker 2: Show recording courtesy of Specsavors all in favor sake.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh my gosh, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be so hot and sexy to see you.
Speaker 2: We did hear that you broke every bone in your ankle,
Speaker 2: which is completely unsexy, and it's postponed your London move
Speaker 2: for how many months?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, I'm not going anymore. I did it the
Speaker 3: day of my flight.
Speaker 1: How did you do it?
Speaker 3: I slept on a wik parking line wearing ad boot.
Speaker 1: Is that like, are we talking like, ohh and s
Speaker 1: your little little kickback for that? Was it? Was it
Speaker 1: your fault?
Speaker 3: No, there was nothing. I just had to mess my flight.
Speaker 3: Three months of treble dam is learned to walk again. Yeah,
Speaker 3: not cute.
Speaker 4: I'm speechless literally, So wait, how do they how do
Speaker 4: they redo the bones if they're all smashed up?
Speaker 3: I have a surgery to wait weeks? Was it just broken?
Speaker 3: Lying in hospital until the swelling me down? And then
Speaker 3: I had like a three and a half hour strow
Speaker 3: dre and I think I've got like thirteen screws.
Speaker 2: There be great when bad things happen to good people,
Speaker 2: because there is no reason for this. You could have
Speaker 2: gone your whole life without experiencing this, and they happened.
Speaker 2: I don't know if a fellow control freak, but I
Speaker 2: would die.
Speaker 3: I'm in the biggest control freak, so I did. I
Speaker 3: was literally like on my desput in hospital, like I
Speaker 3: can't believe it. You pay consuming Yeah, you can cancel
Speaker 3: trust as well, because I've got CON twenty twenties.
Speaker 4: At COVID Beatrice. Well, this is a start of your
Speaker 4: good luck. You're going to come to the island.
Speaker 2: I know I'm so excited.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have been able to do this if that
Speaker 3: didn't happen. So here you go.
Speaker 4: That is the spirit, Beatrice. Okay, well we will see
Speaker 4: you on fad third.
Speaker 3: Okay, yay, thank you so much. I can't wait that pleasure.
Speaker 1: Love.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't know who I would need to fight
Speaker 2: feel better about that. I don't know who would need
Speaker 2: to suffer so I would feel good about missing a
Speaker 2: planned relocation two times over two years.
Speaker 1: It's not good enough.
Speaker 4: Let's just say it was meant to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so it isn't.
Speaker 4: Sorry, Beatrice, but yeah, can't wait to see you. Flex
Speaker 4: and frooms they're the best. What did you FLEXI? Last
Speaker 4: week a friend of mine came up from Melbourne to
Speaker 4: see me. It's such a treat when someone comes into
Speaker 4: state to hang out with you.
Speaker 1: That's bold, isn't it.
Speaker 4: And he brought you trip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sweet.
Speaker 4: I like that a school friend. Also, I take a
Speaker 4: lot of pride in the fact that I'm still friends
Speaker 4: with all my friends from school.
Speaker 2: Same not all of them, Like, there are a few
Speaker 2: drags one dent, yeah, but the top top five definitely.
Speaker 4: It's a real pleasure in a trait. So she came
Speaker 4: up and saw me. We went surfing, we went to
Speaker 4: the Imperial, We had big nights, we had big mornings,
Speaker 4: did it all. But on a Sunday, I'm driving it
Speaker 4: to the airport, which I thought was really nice. That's
Speaker 4: very sweet of you, so sweet that was in the
Speaker 4: middle of a nap.
Speaker 2: I don't wish you to try to be those friends
Speaker 2: generally the airport pick up and drop off friends.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, if I'm involved in the trip, I'll drop you.
Speaker 4: But if you're just randomly like going to America, I'm
Speaker 4: probably not going to get up at four to drive you.
Speaker 4: That's fair anyway, Going along the highway to the airport,
Speaker 4: and I am in the middle lane, No, I'm in
Speaker 4: the far left lane. I'm like, I want to get
Speaker 4: in to the middle lane.
Speaker 1: So I go.
Speaker 4: There's probably a car like fifty minutes like heaps far away,
Speaker 4: but I can feel them coming up real fast. But
Speaker 4: I indicate wait my time and go in. What do
Speaker 4: they do? Ram up my ass? They're ming right up
Speaker 4: my ass. Mercedes as well, which I'm gonna say, the
Speaker 4: more luxury the vehicle, the more Karen the conspirator Okay,
Speaker 4: find the wheel and this car comes rooting and booting
Speaker 4: right up my ass and I slow down.
Speaker 1: Threw me how dare you?
Speaker 4: Like? I indicated I've got somewhere to go as well?
Speaker 4: Then they zip around me, They zip around me, and
Speaker 4: they go up in front of me.
Speaker 1: Did you look at them?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did they look at you?
Speaker 4: Fo?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I've been doing this thing laily where if someone rams
Speaker 4: up my bum or like spins around me or does
Speaker 4: some sort of I would say illegal in a legal
Speaker 4: manner of drive, I literally crank my neck behind my
Speaker 4: seat and I follow them with the where roiling up. Well,
Speaker 4: every time I do it, it like makes me reconsider my
Speaker 4: current like.
Speaker 1: Values. My current values are no road rage. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: like you're very road rage.
Speaker 4: I know I'm not, huh I actually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I honestly feel like what happens in your car
Speaker 2: is a very individual experience, and if someone on the
Speaker 2: outside of your car threatens to disrupt that, it's a
Speaker 2: you problem, Like You've got to really temper that beast.
Speaker 4: Well, it really hurt my feelings. I felt like I
Speaker 4: just like to protect myself and not feel bullied on
Speaker 4: the road.
Speaker 2: Okay, the Karen is coming out she said, bullied on
Speaker 2: the road.
Speaker 1: It was a one time of fence and you saw
Speaker 1: them coming.
Speaker 4: I did see them.
Speaker 2: I would say you were trying to antagonize them, so
Speaker 2: you had fair grounds to be Karen in your mind.
Speaker 4: Well, my favorite type of antagonization is, of course, the
Speaker 4: plausible abilities. I think, Oh, I'm just a little driver
Speaker 4: and the way around the.
Speaker 1: Roads used to sell Carton. You've done this before.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's like one of my core tenant personalities.
Speaker 2: Your brand says so much about you. Well, thank you
Speaker 2: for sharing. We can deduce you our in factor. Karen
Speaker 2: will always be a Karen, But I do think they'll
Speaker 2: there'll be, you know, errors in your life where you'll
Speaker 2: evolve in and out of it. Right now is a
Speaker 2: very peak Karen Era. Yes, I don't think it's a
Speaker 2: bad thing. I don't think it's a good thing either.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'll let myself be the judge.
Speaker 3: Great flex and froomes.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Flex and Frooms.
Speaker 4: What the frick? Hello, welcome back to the Flex and
Speaker 4: Froom Show. I want to talk to you FLEXI about
Speaker 4: Ryan Gosling. Are you a fan? Yes or no?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, so you were saying, but now I'm not a fan,
Speaker 2: doesn't mean I don't like him fan, You're not dying
Speaker 2: on the hill of I don't identify as a fan,
Speaker 2: but I would watch a Ryan Gosling movie. Would I
Speaker 2: think of him outside of the context of this conversation.
Speaker 2: Probably not.
Speaker 4: Did you ever watch Some Crazy Shupid Love?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I love that.
Speaker 4: I watched it at the Driving Movies on my first day.
Speaker 4: Oh alas you would have seen. On Sunday he closed down, personally.
Speaker 1: Close, shut it down. Ryan Gosling shut down the Harbor.
Speaker 4: Bridge, the Sydney Harbor Bridge. He was filming his new movie,
Speaker 4: The Fallout Guy, the Full Guy. Whatever he did, he
Speaker 4: closed down the whole bridge in the morning on a Sunday.
Speaker 4: Everyone was thinking, whire's the bridge shut? What's going on?
Speaker 4: It's because Ryan Gosling and his stunt double was doing
Speaker 4: something on the Harbor Bridge.
Speaker 1: I thought he did his own stunts.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 4: Maybe for the really big bridge based ones there's someone else.
Speaker 4: But it's had people divided. Some people are thinking this
Speaker 4: is great for the economy. We're going to see like
Speaker 4: the Harbor Bridge and the movie blah blah blah. Other
Speaker 4: people are thinking goddamn, why would you inconvenience?
Speaker 3: It's me?
Speaker 4: And most importantly, why is a woman called Deanna Violet
Speaker 4: Coco thirty one sent to prison for eight months after
Speaker 4: she blocked a lane in April with her climate protest?
Speaker 4: Do you remember this? Oh yeah, yeah, so in April
Speaker 4: last year, this cheek Violet, like I don't know how
Speaker 4: she stopped it. Maybe she like just stopped her car
Speaker 4: and got on the roof and like did a Facebook
Speaker 4: live or whatever. Behavior, hotty behavior. I personally loved it,
Speaker 4: and I actually think of her like once a week,
Speaker 4: really randomly, because it's so unjust that she went to
Speaker 4: jail and she was fined and it's just crazy. Is
Speaker 4: it irony?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or like double.
Speaker 4: Standards that the government is allowing this ap and obviously
Speaker 4: they're gonna make a lot of money from it.
Speaker 1: Oh I think it.
Speaker 4: Maybe it costs them money or like they took out.
Speaker 2: For this one.
Speaker 4: I'm scrolling down. Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Guys, I don't know.
Speaker 2: But after that copy is like you know, blonde headlings
Speaker 2: saunters down with.
Speaker 1: His perchetary hair.
Speaker 4: Well, either way, I'll say I'm on Violet's side. I
Speaker 4: think for all the time. Violet, if you're listening to
Speaker 4: this from your cell, I support you. Now. She's on bail, she's.
Speaker 1: Out either way.
Speaker 2: You know, we always know that people will make accommodations
Speaker 2: for entertainment where they wouldn't otherwise. This is just what happens.
Speaker 2: No one's saying it's fair or just, but it is
Speaker 2: unfortunately the reality of like the way the world works.
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