1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: James and Amanda jam Nation. 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 2: Kathleen Folbig was once known as Australia's worst female serial killer, 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: convicted of murdering her four infant children over a ten 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: year period. An extraordinary story, but after two decades behind bars, 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 2: she was pardoned and released following new scientific evidence that 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: suggested her babies may have died of natural causes. Someone 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 2: who spent considerable time with Kathleen for this Sunday's exclusive 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: Spotlight Report is Sunrise host Natalie Barr. Hello, nat. 9 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: Hi, guys, thanks for having me. 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on. 11 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: This story is incredible and it is a human nature 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: for us to judge a woman so harshly who kills 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: her children, and then the way we've all had to 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 2: relook at this case. 15 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, because for twenty years, for the entire time 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: that I've been on Sunrise, Kathleen Folbig was behind bars 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: a crime that she says she didn't commit, smothering Caleb Patrick, 18 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: Sarah and Laura little babies who were died between the 19 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: age of nineteen days to eighteen months in a ten 20 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: year period between nineteen eighty nine and nineteen ninety nine. 21 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: There was never any evidence that she smothered them. She 22 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: was convicted largely on the basically the belief that four 23 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: babies don't just die in one family. And then when 24 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: we talked to scientists, because we talked to the world 25 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: renowned scientists, ninetyists and added up prominent scientists who around 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: the world ended up signing a petition calling for her 27 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: release based on the science that they found. They lined 28 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: up and said, in today's day and age, you know, 29 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: when you look back, there were other families around the 30 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: world that had genes like this in their children and 31 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: in their mothers where this had happened, but that wasn't 32 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: even brought up in court. There were so many things 33 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: that the lawyers say were wrong with the court case. 34 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: It's a mine field and it's scary, isn't it. 35 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 3: There was all circumstantial evidence it was because her father 36 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 3: murdered her mother. That's right, isn't it. 37 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. And then yeah, and then they sort of 38 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: tried to bring that into it as if that had 39 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: some kind of laws, because. 40 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 3: You wrote it seems that I am my father's daughter 41 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 3: just in her wall gatherings. And also that doctor that 42 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 3: that was just his theory, just he and it was 43 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 3: called a theory that like, no, four children just can't 44 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 3: die of this. So and everyone went off fair enough 45 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 3: into jail. 46 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: You go, yeah, exactly. And then you know what they did. 47 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: You know when people talk about the science that cleared her. 48 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: They found this genetic mutation. They found that she had 49 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: this gene that then her two daughters had. And you 50 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: know how they found their DNA. Remember, if you've got kids, 51 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: they do a heel pricked test when your child is born. 52 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: They take a drop of blood and put it on 53 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: that little card. They went back and found that drop 54 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: of blood on the cards of her last two children 55 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: who were born, Sarah and Laura. That's how they got 56 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: the DNA, and that's how they found that Sarah and 57 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: Laura had the gene that Kathleen has got. And this 58 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: is this genetic mutation that provides reasonable doubt that she 59 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: didn't kill them, that that probably killed them. The other 60 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: two children have a different genetic mutation. It's actually an 61 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: incredible story. Wow. 62 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 3: Well, say good ay to Cherboy for us, and thank 63 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 3: you for joining us on the show today. 64 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: Thanks guys, thank you very much. The juntc Amanda