1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: But in some breaking news, we know that the territory opposition, 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: the COLP, is calling on a bipartisan approach to combat 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: the territories escalating crime crisis and address what they say 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: catastrophic concerns with the Northern Territory Police. So the Opposition 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: leader Leophanolciaro is saying that she wants to find solutions 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: and that they want to sit down with Labor members 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: and the independents to form a select parliamentary committee to 8 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: specifically look at a number of different areas or a 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: number of different issues in this space. The Opposition leader 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: Leothanol Ciaro joins me on the line right now. 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: Good morning, Leah, Good morning Katie and to listeners. 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: Now, Leah, we had a similar call from the Member 13 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: for our LU and Robin Lamley the last sittings, I 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: believe it was, but it was just specifically for Alice 15 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: Springs for a select committee into the issues that we've 16 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: got with crime in Alice Springs, not so much the 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: police force as well, and it was well and truly 18 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: knocked on the head by the government. Do you think 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: that we're going to see the government agree to a 20 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: select committee across the board in the territory on these issues. 21 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: Well, I certainly hope so, and yes, Robin Lanley made 22 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 2: that attempt last Stings for Alice Springs, we as well 23 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: about a year ago, trying to create a select committee 24 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: to specifically look at our terrible rates of attrition and 25 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: why police are leaving the force in the numbers that 26 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 2: they are today. At ten o'clock so would be business 27 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: first up in Parliament, we're calling on a select committee, 28 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: so a committee made up of Opposition members, Labor members 29 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: and independent members to look at crime right across the territory, 30 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: to look at police health and well being, which is 31 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 2: something that's critically important. It will look at high rates 32 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: of attrition, it will look at increasing efficiencies for police. 33 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: So for example, right now, the Dahalan Watchhouse is not 34 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: operational because they can't staff it and so all police 35 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: are having to take people they arrest out to Palmerston Watchhouse, 36 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: which is obviously in an inefficient use of time and 37 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: something born out of the fact that we don't have 38 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: enough police. So plenty of things that we want this 39 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: to cover, and we wanted to really really solutions focused. 40 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: So we're calling on the government to allow this debate 41 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: to happen and support this select committee so that we 42 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: can get to get to work on starting to have 43 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: public inquiries, taking submissions from the community, from police, from 44 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: whoever is invested in this, to make sure that we 45 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: start moving in a different direction because crime and police 46 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: attrition can't keep going like this. 47 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: I reckon this needs to happen. I one hundred percent 48 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: think that this needs to happen. A parliamentary select committee 49 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: to look into this lea just to make this real, 50 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: you know, like just to sort of really break this 51 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: down from an operational perspective. If a select committee, if 52 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: they do agree to this, you know, what will it 53 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: mean in terms of that focus? How many hours? How 54 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: many people are on these committees? How does it operate? 55 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, great question. So usually, but it's not limited to 56 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: I haven't specified that in my referrals. So we could 57 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 2: decide as a parliament but usually it's too opposition members, 58 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: two government members and one independent member. I'm not fussed 59 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: about the composition at all. If government want to have 60 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: three and have the majority, or if they want to 61 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 2: be more independents, I'm not bothered. But what happens then 62 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: is we then become basically a subcommittee is a subcommittee 63 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: of the Parliament and there is a sort of budget 64 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: allocation staffing to help put that together. We meet, we 65 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 2: determine the terms of reference, which already would be what 66 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 2: I've set out in my motion, and then we would 67 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 2: put an ad in the paper. We would start calling 68 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 2: for submissions for people. We would have public hearings. We 69 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: would move around the territory and speak to in a 70 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: public way, so that territories could you turn on their TV, 71 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: you know, go onto the internet, turn it on and 72 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: watch have input. We would gather all of that evidence 73 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: from all of the sectors, whether it's NGO, police, the community, victims, 74 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: criminals themselves, police who've left the force, police who are 75 00:03:55,400 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: thinking about leaving. It's all highly confidential, and move through 76 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: that process. We would then sit down and deliberate for 77 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: as many hours as it took this go for you know, 78 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: a couple of months, because for six months for example, 79 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: and then we would provide a detailed report to Parliament 80 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: of analyzing what we'd learned and what we think the 81 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: steps are that need to be taken going forward, that 82 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: were debated in Parliament with everyone and go from there. 83 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: Leah, last time round, when Robin Lamley had done this 84 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: just a short time ago. I know the government's response 85 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: was that they are getting on with the job. We 86 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: need to you know, we don't need to keep talking 87 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: about it. We need to get on with the job. 88 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: What is you know? 89 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: Do you what are you going to say today? If 90 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: essentially that's the response again. 91 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: Well, I think it just shows that Nicole Manison is 92 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 2: not up for the top job, which is what she's 93 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: busy spending her time doing, instead of caring about police, 94 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: which is her ministerial portfolio. I mean, she has been 95 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: the Police Minister for a number of years, the Deputy 96 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 2: Chief Minister for the entire time of this failed Labor government, 97 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 2: where crime has just grown from add to worse every 98 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: single month, and so she has a lot of questions 99 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: to answer. She can't simply just ignore the community who 100 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 2: are outraged by the levels of crime and anti social behavior, 101 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 2: their heart broken for our police who need greater support. 102 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 2: We need to slow down these attrition rates because we 103 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: cannot produce police as fast as they're leaving. And even 104 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: this promise of an extra six million dollars in the 105 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 2: budget is not going to turn around the copp as 106 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: we need in the time that we need them in. 107 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: So you know this, really, this decision really sits at 108 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: the feet of our acting Chief minis in Icle Madison, 109 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: and if she thinks she's ready to be the top dog, 110 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: then she's seriously got to start caring about the issues 111 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: that everyone else cares about, and that's crime and our police. 112 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: Well, look, we're going to keep it close on it. 113 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: Please keep in contact with us and let us know 114 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: what happens. At ten am this morning, Leah, I know 115 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: you are pressed for time, but I want to ask 116 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: about the budget. No doubt the budget's been overshadowed, of 117 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: course by this leadership situation within the Labor Party right now, 118 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: and I'll get to that towards the But Leah, we 119 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: do know that you obviously delivered your budget reply speech yesterday. 120 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: There were some real sweetness in there. The abolishing of 121 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: payroll tax, changes to the solar feed in tariff, and 122 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: you said that you wouldn't freeze the public service wages. 123 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: That's something you and I have spoken about on the 124 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: show before, Leah. Abolishing the payroll tax and changes to 125 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: the solar feed in tariff as well as are the 126 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: public service wages. 127 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 3: How are you going to afford all of this. 128 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 2: Well, we're not going to do what labor do, and 129 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 2: that's build twelve million dollar grandstands and give thirty five 130 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 2: million dollars to use criminals to reward them for victimizing territory. 131 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: And so basically we have a positive plan going for 132 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: We want to build the territory up, not drag it 133 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: down like labor has with crime and dysfunctional economy. So 134 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: with the solar announcement, we made very exciting doubling the 135 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: battery subsidies, doubling the feed in tariff during peak time. 136 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 2: That twelve million dollars we've allocated is the twelve million 137 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: dollars that labor have stripped from territorians by splashing the 138 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: feed in tariff. So there's no new money needed there. 139 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: We're just reinvesting that money back into the system to 140 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: reward territorians who have put solar on their rooftops by 141 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: hopefully getting them off the grid and they can say 142 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: goodbye to power bills. That's our plan is no more 143 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: power bills. It's great grid stability and a greener future 144 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: for our kids. So that's where that money is coming from. Yeah, 145 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: in respect to payroll tax, that is a you know, 146 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: a decent chunk of revenue to the territory. But I 147 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: guess it needs to be looked at. What is the 148 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: cost now? Payroll tax, for those who don't know, is 149 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: a tax every time your boss employs someone in the 150 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: business you work in, they have to pay for the 151 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: joy of having you work for them, which not just 152 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: pay you. You know, it's not just your Salary's an 153 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: actual tax to the government for employing. Now, for many 154 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: small businesses, that's actually a disincentive for them to employ 155 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: people because they'd rather just work a bit harder than 156 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: put another person on. So it's a tax on jobs. 157 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: So we want to do a massive review into payroll tax. 158 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: I mean, Labour's budget actually increases payroll tax, which is horrific. 159 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: We'd love to see the end of payroll tax, and 160 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 2: we will find a way to do it, Katie. But 161 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: if we grow our economy, get mining projects going, all 162 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: of these other wonderful things, we have middle arm on 163 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,239 Speaker 2: your gas, you know, unlike Labour's budget which predicts mining taxes, 164 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: mining royalties to decline and nothing from on your gas. 165 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: We want to turn all of that around. Let's start 166 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: making the territory a great place to invest. We'll have 167 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: more money in our coffers, We'll be able to reduce 168 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: our debt, create more jobs and give people greater opportunity. 169 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: Leah, the government says that you'll cut budgets and sack 170 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: public servants. In the past, this has happened underseorp governments. 171 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 3: Is the reality here that you will have to do that? 172 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. It's ludicrous. And actually what is so ridiculous 173 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: about what they're saying is that under Labour's plan to 174 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: somehow miraculously get back in black in a couple of 175 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: years time, are they going to have to cut If 176 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: you looked at today's figures, they'd have to cut a 177 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: billion dollars from our budget. So the question is what 178 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 2: is Labour going to cut to get to this fictitious 179 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 2: balanced budget in a couple of years time. I mean, 180 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: it's just ludicrous what they're doing, and they're punishing people 181 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: already what we're seeing. They might not call it a cut, 182 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 2: but when you splash feed in tariffs for mums and 183 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: dads and people who've spent tens of thousands of dollars 184 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: putting the solo on their roof, when you give public 185 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 2: service a four year pay freeze that is cut by 186 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: another name. And so unlike Labor who punish everyone else 187 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 2: for its mistakes, we are not going to punish Ratarians 188 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: for Labour's mistakes or our mistakes. We all owe them 189 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: and we will build a plan for the future. 190 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: I've got a question here from one of our listeners, 191 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: and look, it is something that I've asked you before, 192 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: so if we can keep it pretty quick. There's one 193 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: that says, ask Lea what her policy is on crime? 194 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: What will the COLP do differently? I know I've asked 195 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: you this question before, but it's one from our listeners. 196 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 2: Yes. Absolutely, So the first thing I do is make 197 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: police my portfolio as Chief Minister. We would make breach 198 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: of bow condition and offense, introduce it presumption against baal 199 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: for repeat offenders. We would create Sentence to a Skill, 200 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: which is like a skills training boot camp for higher 201 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: teenage you know older teenage use offenders before they hit 202 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 2: the big house. We'd bring back sentence to a Job, 203 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: which is a program within our correctional facilities. For adult offenders, 204 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 2: we would put youth justice, take it out of territory families, 205 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: stick it back in corrections and most importantly, as a 206 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: fundamental principle at the top, we would put the rights 207 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 2: of territorians to be safe above the rights of criminals. 208 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: Criminals have more rights than the average territory in just 209 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: going about living their life, and that is absolutely wrong 210 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 2: and will not happen under a government I lead. 211 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 3: Now, Leah. 212 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: The acting Chief Minister Nicole Madison had a crack at 213 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: you yesterday saying that your comments around the Chief Minister 214 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: were his resignation were quite undignified. Take a listen, frankly 215 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: undignified and some parts were particularly low. I mean, in 216 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: politics we can go so far, but I thought there 217 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: are a few wents there that simply were not required 218 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: and really set a new lover. Did you go too 219 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: far having a crack about him his child being in 220 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: the photo opportunity the day before? 221 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 2: I don't think so, Katie. I think when you have 222 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 2: a one week old baby, you should not be using 223 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 2: it in a prop for your budget speech. I mean 224 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: it's just he sat there with a young child who's unimmunized. 225 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: COVID's free flowing through our community and he thought that 226 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 2: was a great way to get a front page in 227 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: the newspaper. Well, that's his decision, But ultimately he was 228 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: still Chief Minister at the time and he's accountable for 229 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: the things he does. And my point I was making 230 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: was not actually that. My point was the irony of 231 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 2: him using the baby as a prop is that it's 232 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: that poor baby who is going to be the one 233 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 2: paying off the debt legacy he leaves behind is our 234 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: kids who are going to suffer. So I was using 235 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: it as a metaphor for our children who will suffer 236 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: under this nine point five billion dollar debt. 237 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 3: Was it a step too far? 238 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's up to your listeners, Katie. They 239 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: can make their own decision. I think ultimately he's the 240 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 2: one who put the child in the public spotlight, which 241 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: makes him fair game for that decision. 242 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: Leah. Finally this morning, we will hopefully know tomorrow if 243 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: all goes well, who's going to be the next Chief Finister. 244 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 3: Who do you reckon is going to take the top role? 245 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: Well, what I know is this is the same team 246 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: that Michael Gunner led, so it's just shuffling the deck chairs. 247 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: And Nicole Manison, if she takes out that top job, 248 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 2: she is the filed Police Minister on Crime and Police attrician. 249 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: She is the failed treasurer who got sacked from her 250 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: job because she blew our budget to smithereens. She's the 251 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 2: treasurer who in one year took our debt from one 252 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: point eight billion dollars when the COLP was last in 253 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,599 Speaker 2: power to five point seven billion dollars, and then the 254 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 2: year after that told everyone it might get as bad 255 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: as thirty five billion dollars. I mean, it's just extraordinary. 256 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 2: She has been his deputy for the entire time they've 257 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 2: been in government. She's as complicit in all of the 258 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: stuff ups as he is. And so this is a rebadge, 259 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 2: rebranded model. I've been saying. You know, you can change 260 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 2: the tire on a car, but you can't call it 261 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: a new car. It's just a new tire. 262 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 3: Well leaf and occhiarra. You are fired up this morning. 263 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: It's going to be an interesting day in parliament. 264 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: We'll keep in contact with you if we got you 265 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: on the show tomorrow for the week that was, or 266 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: have we got someone else. 267 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 2: You might do I car Rember, that's all right, We'll 268 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: wait 269 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 3: And see good on your leah, and thanks for your time.