1 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: On today's show, body positive influencer Karina Irby has been 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: accused of editing her body on Instagram. Chloe Zep opens 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: up about the pressure of running a multimillion dollar business 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: whilst juggling motherhood, and Mitch Orville looks set to return 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: to YouTube. Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose 6 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: I'm Kate Torbert and we had to do that intro 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: a couple of times because Amy's got the hiccups. 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm hoping I don't hit up throughout the show. 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised you've still got hiccups. You try to 11 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: clear them by drinking some Kombucher, which is so. 12 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: Bubbly i'd run out of water. 13 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: But anyway, I do have a question for you guys 14 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: to kick off the show. Did anyone do a Facebook 15 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: stalk on Friday night? Because if so, you guys are screwed. 16 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: God I don't even know. I know we were out 17 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: to pizza, so maybe that has saved us. Yeah, I 18 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: actually didn't do one. Usually I do like a bit 19 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: of a Facebook stalk late at night. See, I'm kind 20 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: of thinking did I do some Facebook stalking because normally, 21 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: when you catch up with a group of friends and 22 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: you're trying to explain who you're talking about, you often 23 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: show people on Facebook or Instagram. Well, hopefully you weren't Kate, 24 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 1: because there was a huge glitch on Facebook on Friday night, 25 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: which meant if you looked at anybody's profile that you 26 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: weren't friends with, or even just scrolled past a suggested friend, 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: Facebook automatically added the person. What do you mean scrolled 28 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: past a suggested friend? So if you clicked on your 29 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 1: suggested friends and scrolled past the name, it automatically added 30 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: the person. 31 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: God, I've got a lot of fuck up. 32 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 3: Yeah. 33 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: So basically people were alerted to it because they noticed 34 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: that it was popping up that lots of people had 35 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: accepted their friend requests, and they were like, what the hell, 36 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: I've never actually added this person as a friend. Or 37 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 1: some people woke up and they had heaps of Facebook 38 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: friend requests, which is odd in itself because I can't 39 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: remember the last time I added someone on Facebook. I'm 40 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: a bit disappointed that I wasn't being stalked, like, well. 41 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: I didn't have any friend requests. 42 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: I had one friend request and it was so random. 43 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: I had to ask my mum because they were a 44 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: friend of hers and I was like, Mum, why would 45 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: this lady have added me on Facebook? So I haven't 46 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: accepted it just in case it's one of the glitches. 47 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: I felt really sorry for one girl because she shared 48 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: on TikTok that she went for a massive stalk on 49 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: Friday night and she inadvertently added her ex boyfriend from 50 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: ten years ago and his wife, as well as her 51 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: eighth grade science teacher, and to add a cherry on 52 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: top of the cake. The glitch sent friend requests to 53 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: the friends of a guy she started dating and their girlfriends, 54 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: so she's never actually met these friends before. A lot 55 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: of people were saying, you need to delete your Facebook account. 56 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: That is wild. 57 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: It reminds me of the glitch on Facebook a couple 58 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: of years ago when Facebook was more relevant and the 59 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: news was saying that you better go and delete all 60 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: of your messages because they were releasing like private mass yeah, 61 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: private messages, and yeah they were puting the private messages 62 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: on your wall, and I remember being like, holy fuck. Well. 63 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: Another girl said that she had to cancel her job 64 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: interview because she accidentally stalked two of the people conducting 65 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: the job interview because now she say it's too awkward 66 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: to attend, and another person pointed out that this glitch 67 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: has put a spotlight on the phenomenon of the temptation 68 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: to look at your ex's mum on Facebook. Older people 69 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: get so funny when anyone adds them on Facebook. I 70 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: know our parents are always like, why is this person 71 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: added me? 72 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 2: What do they want? 73 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: I mean Dad will even show us people that show 74 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: up in his people you may know tool and it'll 75 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: be like, have they been looking at my staff? Or 76 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: it's like a big deal. It's like, oh, why did 77 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: this person add me because they know you. Yeah, Well 78 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: you can guarantee that that woman's ex knows that she's 79 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: been stalking his mum. So what do you guys thinks 80 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: worse getting caught out snooping or having zero friend requests? Well, 81 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: I got zero friend requests, I'm gonna say getting caught 82 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: out snooping. Oh, it's actually my night there to be 83 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: caught out stalking on there. Now, if you're worried you've 84 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: got caught out stalking someone, all you need to do 85 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: is check your friend request, So you just hit the 86 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: friend's button then select see all, and then there's a 87 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: little like three buttons up the top and you can 88 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: select see friend requests, and you should be able to 89 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: see any random friend requests that haven't been accepted yet. 90 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: I think this is just a. 91 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: Bid for Facebook to say relevant because when was the 92 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: last time we were talking about Facebook? Well, it's made 93 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: it a bit more excited, especially for the people who 94 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: have been stalked. 95 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: What nothing, We haven't done anything if we saw it. 96 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: No, we haven't been anywhere near your Facebook page. 97 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 4: For fuck's sake, what have you done? Look, if you 98 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 4: don't tell me the password, I'm contacting the site administrator 99 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 4: of apporting you. 100 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: Body positive influencer Karina Irby has been accused of editing 101 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: her body on Instagram. The swimwear designer was labeled a 102 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: hypocrite as she was busted by an American supers luthor 103 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: account for photoshopping Kate. 104 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: What has been going on? 105 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: I think in order to unpack this we need to 106 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,119 Speaker 1: start off by discussing the main players. So, as you mentioned, 107 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: the first is Karina Irby. She's a body positive influencer 108 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: and the founder of swimwear range Molwana Bikini. The thirty 109 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: three year old who lives on the Gold Coast is 110 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: a very big deal on Instagram with over one point 111 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: two million followers. There's also John Dawesy, and he is 112 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: the man behind the allegations. He's better known by the 113 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: handle of goob Underscore U two on Instagram and is 114 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: an online coach who works in the bodybuilding industry. So 115 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: in his Instagram bio, he describes himself as your favorite 116 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: influencer's least favorite influencer, and he's cultivated himself a following 117 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: of over one hundred and twenty seven thousand people on 118 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: Instagram by calling out fitness influencers who have allegedly photoshopped 119 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: their photos. Now on Wednesday, John shared a reel where 120 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: he labeled Karina a hypocrite for allegedly photoshopping her photos 121 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: while urging her followers not to edit photos of themselves. 122 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: He zoomed in on photos of Karina, highlighting where he 123 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: thought she had allegedly sucked in her waist and enlarged 124 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: her bum due to warping of the background. Let's go 125 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: to what John. 126 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,559 Speaker 5: Said, Karina, I'm disappointed in you. You've built an entire 127 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 5: brand on being real, but you weren't real. Your caption's 128 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 5: talk about how you understand how dangerous this is for 129 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 5: a body image, and then you do it anywhere now. 130 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: Influencer Updates Au picked up on the story and reshared 131 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: the reel to her page, and then later in the day, 132 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: John shared another reel with an update on the saga. 133 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: He said that rather than taking accountability, Karna had blocked 134 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: him and allegedly threatened to sue Influenza updates Au for 135 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: posting John's real So John shared a screenshop where Karina 136 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: allegedly wrote to Influenza updates AU, I'll be sending you 137 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: a cease and assist if all content about me isn't 138 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: removed asap. Now it's quite embarrassing because Karina misspelt the 139 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: word cease and it actually said crease and desist now. 140 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: John then shared a screenshot of a lengthy message Karina 141 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: allegedly sent him, where she said, my old edits are 142 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: my past and I'm not proud of them. However, I 143 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: always had a drive to help. 144 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: Women, including myself now. 145 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: John went on to debunk her claim, sharing a photo 146 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: Karna had uploaded eight hours earlier, where he alleges she 147 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: had photoshopped herself due to a warp door in the background. 148 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 2: Now. 149 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: In the meantime, The Daily Mail picked up on the 150 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: story and contacted Karina for comment. Karina claims that she 151 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: was the most open, honest and transparent creator on social 152 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: media in twenty twenty three, and admitted to slightly editing 153 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: herself in the past years ago. She also claimed that 154 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: John was trying to create hate towards her and bully 155 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: and tear her down. Now, this statement, she gave provided 156 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: content for John to create a third video so in 157 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: the real he further exposed Karna for allegedly photoshopping thumbnails 158 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: of her reels. 159 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: He went on to say this, you see that in a. 160 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 4: Cloud chaser, in a bully No, Corina, I'm calling you 161 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 4: out for taking advantage of women. Your whole messages. Women 162 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 4: shouldn't edit and love themselves more. But you edit and 163 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 4: then lie about editing, and then doubled down when somebody 164 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 4: calls you out. 165 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: Now, in response to John's video, Corina shared a post 166 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: to her Instagram feed confirming that she has edited her 167 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: photos before and that she suffers from mild body dysmorphia. 168 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: Carina says she gets brutalized, picked apart, harassed, bullied and 169 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: judged every day online and has been so for eleven years. 170 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: She wrote, every day I learned to love and accept 171 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: myself more. But the internet is the problem. You're brutal, 172 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,119 Speaker 1: You're also brave behind your screen, creating whatever narrative gets 173 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: you the most hits, regardless of my occasional edits, my 174 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: raw honors. Transparent videos show you more than what we 175 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: need to see of my body. You know exactly what 176 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: it looks like. You know my scars, my jiggle, my tummy, 177 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: my face, my skin, my everything. My love support and 178 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: message has always been and always will be the same. 179 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: To love yourself endlessly, try not to listen to haters, 180 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: and to make somebody smile every day. Now, things didn't 181 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: stop there. Carina enlisted the service of twenty six year 182 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: old lawyer Tiagan Childs, who is the legal practitioner director 183 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: of her own firm called Tusk Lawyers Now. Funnily enough, 184 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: in June twenty twenty two, The Daily Male covered and 185 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: interview Childs did with Female where she spoke about how 186 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: her then boss allowed her to move from the Gold 187 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: Coast to Canada for the ski season and work from 188 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: home abroad. Now Childs did return home to Australia to 189 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: set up her own Gold Coast based law firm, which 190 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: she describes as a micro litigation firm, which is currently 191 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: acting for emerging Gold Coast fashion and creative brands. So 192 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: on Thursday, Child sent a cease and desist letter to John, 193 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: and it was unlike a legal letter I have ever read. 194 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: While Child strongly suggested John refrain from publicly circulating the 195 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: legal letter, he posted it to his Instagram account. When 196 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: you get a legal letter, it normally says this information 197 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: is confidential. It doesn't say I strongly suggest that you 198 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: don't circulate it. Look, there was nothing normal about this 199 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: legal letter, and I encourage everyone to go have a 200 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: read of it in full because it's very entertaining. Essentially, 201 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: it was very clear that Karina wanted to put a 202 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: stop to any follow up videos John allegedly wanted to 203 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: share about her past employees, and the letter went on 204 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: to accuse John of allegedly inciting campaigns to cancel and 205 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: bully others online. The tone was so strange though. It 206 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: was very emotional and didn't sound professional at all. For instance, 207 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: one line read, it is one thing to call my 208 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 1: client out for photoshopping photos and being hypocritical. It is 209 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: another to obsess over my client, pick a public fight 210 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: with her, and encourage others to bully and incite hate 211 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: towards her. The letter also oddly confirmed the claims that 212 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,599 Speaker 1: John was making through his videos. It said to be 213 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: frank my client gently photoshopping photos, not immediately owning up 214 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: to it, and responding in a way that suggests the 215 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: conduct you complained about was old behavior does not deserve 216 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: the vitriol your repeated videos and aggressive hate campaigns continue 217 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: to incite. You're right, Kate, It's all about this emotional thing. 218 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: It's sort of like saying this is unethical to do. 219 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: It's not saying this is legally wrong. I wonder if 220 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: the to are friends, if Karina is friends with this lawyer, Well, 221 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: if I wasn't a friend of this girl, I would 222 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: be wanting a complete refund. 223 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: For this letter. 224 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: This letter is not worth the paper it's written, John, 225 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: So are so many legal letters like the purpose of 226 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: these kinds of legal letters is to intimidate people to 227 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: do what the letter says, and people who haven't dealt 228 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: with lawyers might get a bit scared when receiving something 229 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: like that this one is just comical. I almost feel 230 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: like it should be written like, hey, babe, can you 231 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: please take it down because my client's upset. 232 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: Well, this same. 233 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: Lawyer was contacting influencer updates AU through an Instagram account, 234 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: which is very unheard of in the legal space. 235 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 236 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 2: Well, the letter. 237 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: Finished up by demanding John did not publish any further 238 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: content about Karna. However, Child said if he doesn't agree 239 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: to the demand, then he can alternatively provide TUSK Lawyers 240 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: with a copy of any further content he intends to 241 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: publish about Karna seventy two hours prior to publication, and 242 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: should John fail to neglect or agree to the above 243 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: by five pm on Thursday, the eleventh of May twenty 244 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: twenty three, Task lawyers said that they would seek instructions 245 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: from Karna to apply to the Federal Court of Australia 246 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: seeking urgent injunctive relief restraining John from publishing any further 247 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: content concerning Karna. I find all of this very uncomfortable. 248 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: I do not like these intimidation tactics that they're using 249 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: to silence media, and I also think that they're clearly 250 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: going for people who they deem as not having much 251 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: money to defend themselves, because I am assuming that the 252 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: Daily Mail has not got one of these legal thres 253 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: since they've probably just read it and just ignored it 254 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: and laughed it all. But also they know that a 255 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: large media company is going to have way more money 256 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: than this influencer. 257 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 258 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: Well, John Dawesy was not intimidated by all. He's actually 259 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: American and he enlisted the help of his American lawyer, 260 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: who absolutely schoolled Karna's Gold Coast lawyer in Australian defamation law. Now, 261 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: the lawyer was working pro bono, which I love, and 262 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: I think he probably really enjoyed this letter that he penned, 263 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: so he picked up on typosts from the original letter 264 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: and called the letter legal satire. I need to read 265 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: parts of this letter to you guys to give it justice, 266 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: it said. Obviously your letter must have been sent in jest, 267 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: and the world can certainly use more legal satire. Bravo, 268 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: Miss Charles. Not that we didn't get the joke, but 269 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: since mister Daughesy has not previously encountered a humorous lawyer, 270 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: he actually thought your letter may be a serious effort 271 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: by Miss Irby to protect legitimate interest. However, rest assured 272 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: I've at least convinced him that it was certainly not 273 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: some impulsive, ham fitted attempt to bully an individual solely 274 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: begs of his well known efforts to shed light on 275 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: the charlatans rampant throughout the fitness industry. After all, as lawyers, 276 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:11,239 Speaker 1: you and I both know that that would be flagrantly unconstitutional. Nevertheless, 277 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: to further alleviate my client's concerns, will you kindly forward 278 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: me copies of the prank cease and desist letters you 279 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: have no doubt sent to the Dailymail dot com and 280 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: any other individuals or entities that has commented on your 281 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: client's inspiring photoshop abilities. Oh and just to pay along. 282 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: Had you intended for your letter to be taken seriously, 283 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: even in some small measure, we would have sent in 284 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: response something along these lines. Now. The lawyer then went 285 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: on to attach a serious letter that labeled Karina's claims 286 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: as farcical. The lawyer then claimed that Childs neglected to 287 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: include any legal authority demonstrating how Karna is entitled to 288 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: relief in the Federal Court of Australia, much less injunctive relief. 289 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: This lawyer is an absolute legend. He labeled the matter 290 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: laughable and went on to say that they assumed Childs 291 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: was threatening to sue John defamation, which they would easily 292 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: be able to defend with the truth defense, seeing as 293 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: the letter since substantiated that John's assertions were true. The 294 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: letter finished up by writing to conclude mss Childs in 295 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: the wise words of mister Biggie Small's and if you 296 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: don't know, now you know, we eagerly await your response. 297 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what Tusk lawyers come up 298 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: with next. I mean, I'm assuming that because we've dared 299 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: to touch on this topic, we might be receiving a 300 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: bit more of this comedy. It's actually worse publicity for Krena. 301 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: I just think if she'd let this story die next week, 302 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: we would have forgotten about it. But she's just made 303 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: this into a massive saga that everyone is interested in, 304 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: particularly because that guy would never have done all those 305 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: follow up videos because he would have just done one 306 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: and then if she didn't respond, he would have just 307 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: moved on with a different influence. But also we've seen 308 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: that people loved the drama. I remember last year or 309 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, there were influencers who were 310 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: accused of sending out fake legal letters, and this has 311 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: that sort of vibe to it. People love to see 312 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: the behind the scenes weld, They love to see the 313 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: printouts of these letters. The most of the thing is 314 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: that that legal letter isn't fake, like it's coming from 315 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: a legitimate lawyer who's got her name attached to it, 316 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: which I think makes it even worse. I don't understand 317 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: why they were so insistent to get this video taken 318 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: down because it had already done the damage. It really 319 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: did make the matter ten times worse. And I feel 320 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: like Karina isn't going to be very popular because Influencer 321 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: Updates AU was also allegedly sent a cease and desist 322 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: letter from Task lawyers, and while John's content remains up, 323 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: Influencer updates AU has removed the real that she shared, 324 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: and on Saturday, she also announced that she'll be taking 325 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: a break from the account until further notice and would 326 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: only be posting updates to her close friends stories. 327 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: Let's throw to what Amber said. 328 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 3: Hi everyone, I'm just satting you all know that I'm 329 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 3: going to be taking a bit of a step back 330 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 3: from Influencer Updates until further notice, So I'll still be 331 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 3: posting heaps to close friends. So if you want to 332 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 3: join up, there's a link in the bio. But I'm 333 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 3: just finding this account. It's taking about three to four 334 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 3: hours a day my time, and it's just too much 335 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 3: on top of everything else. But yeah, yes, I'm using 336 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 3: a hectic filter in true influencer style. 337 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: I felt really sorry for Amber. She did mention that 338 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: she was going to go see a solicitor over this 339 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: on Monday. Look, if I was her, I wouldn't even 340 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: bother responding to this letter. It's clearly been sent to 341 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: intimidate her. The lawyer has now got what they wanted, 342 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: She's removed it. 343 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 2: Now they just need to leave her alone. 344 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: They've obviously picked on the wrong person with John. 345 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 5: Yeah. 346 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: Well, Amber said the drama was a sign she needed 347 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: to take a step back from this account, and she 348 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: says she now feels like this massive weight has been 349 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: lifted off her shoulders. And she did say that she 350 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: feels like she has made the right decision to take 351 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: a break from public posting. Chloe Zeppa shared a series 352 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: of emotional journal entries about the pressure of running a 353 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: multimillion dollar business whilst struggling motherhood. 354 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 2: The raw entry show. 355 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: The financial strain that tech platform Worlweb was having on 356 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: the Gold Coast entrepreneur Sophie. I'd love to know the 357 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: timings around these diary entries. 358 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were very interesting. 359 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: So the first two entries were written when Chloe was 360 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: six months pregnant with her second child, Sonny, and the 361 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: following entry was penned after his arrival. Now, the first 362 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: entry is particularly interesting because it is where Chloe dives 363 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: into the financial struggles that she was going through when 364 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: she was running her wellness platform well Verb. So Chloe wrote, 365 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: I have the pressure of running a multi multi million 366 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: dollar company that my previous general manager left suddenly when 367 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: realized now the pressure of the financials toppling down on me, 368 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: eight staff needing me every day, my business being reliant 369 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: on me. I do apologize with how I'm reading this 370 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: out because this is how it's written. There's not much 371 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: punctuation going on. I was gonna say, what does she 372 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: mean by her previous general manager left suddenly when realized 373 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: realized that it wasn't going well. That's what I take 374 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: from it. I think it's when the general manager realized 375 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: the pressure that was on the business because it wasn't 376 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: doing well now. Chloe then continued writing about to have 377 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: a baby that I'm not prepared for living in a 378 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: small two bedroom apartment with two dogs, two adults, and 379 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: two children now after doing the math. This journal entry 380 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: was written in June twenty twenty two, and it's clear 381 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: that the financial pressure got way too much for Chloe 382 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: and her then business partner Molly, because just four months later, 383 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: they announced on Instagram that they were selling their online 384 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: platform well Web. I always thought the transition from bloom 385 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: Over to well web was a strange one. I didn't 386 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: it didn't make sense to go from an app over 387 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: to a website. 388 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 389 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: Well it was particularly weird because bloom It did shoot 390 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: to number one on the Apple charts when they first launched. 391 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: It was incredibly popular. 392 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: And I think that the reason that they transitioned over 393 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: to well web is because they wanted to have one 394 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: hundred percent of control of the platform. Because they created 395 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: bloom with an app company. I think it's called Applantis, 396 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 1: and app Lantis must have owned majority of it. So 397 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: I think that that's the reason why they did move 398 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: over to doing their own thing, and it's pretty crazy 399 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: because we spoke about it last October because they actually 400 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: put up well Web on their Instagram and said, does 401 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: anyone want to buy this? I mean, that's just showing 402 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: how desperate they were to get this platform off their hands. 403 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 404 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: Clearly they didn't have the contacts or experience in place 405 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: to actually pitch the business to other investors, so opted 406 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: to see if anyone who followed them was interested, which 407 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: is a bizarre move. Well, I never actually found out 408 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: who bored it. I wonder if it just went under 409 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: or if any investors did pick it up. There definitely 410 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: wasn't the same fanfare directed at Wellweb as there was 411 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: to Bloom. And it has a lot to do with 412 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: Chloe's brand because it did take a battering during COVID 413 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: due to an anti vaccine sentiment that she was sharing online. 414 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: And I think it really shows how important the combination 415 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 1: of the star power that the influencer has and the 416 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: brains of the app developer is because you really need 417 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: those two working harmoniously together. Now, looking at this journal entry, 418 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: it's very clear that Chloe was struggling to juggle the 419 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: demands of two large businesses. And and for those who 420 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: don't know. Chloe also runs hugely successful active wear line Zep, 421 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: and since well Web has closed down, Chloe has opened 422 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: up an impressive office space for ZEP and appears to 423 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: be putting a lot of her time and energy into 424 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: it now. Chloe's second and third diary entries hinted to 425 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: some relationship trouble, so in her second Joenneral entry, Chloe 426 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: spoke about burnout and feeling like everything is on her shoulders. 427 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 2: She wrote, I'm trying. 428 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: Every day to be the best mum to my children. 429 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: I need a day off, but I find myself in 430 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: fear and guilt, clinging to my child, taking everything on 431 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: my shoulders, thinking I can do it all without burning out. 432 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: Pile on top a business to be constantly making decisions 433 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: for and being available to people, the pressure, plus a 434 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: partnership that is crumbling in front of my eyes because 435 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 1: I have no energy at the end of the day. 436 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: At first, I wasn't sure if she was referring to 437 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: her business partner as in Molly, who she partnered with 438 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: with well Web, or if it was her partnership that 439 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: she had with her boyfriend Mitch. And what makes me 440 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: think that she's referring to Mitch here is that, But 441 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: in another diary entry, she says feeling guilt for having 442 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: to catch up on work at night or wanting to 443 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: go to bed early because I'm not connecting with my partner. 444 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: So I definitely think that she is referring to Mitch here, 445 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: and I think this content is relatable for a lot 446 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: of couples. 447 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: It's probably why. 448 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: She's opening up and sharing about it because they have 449 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: been very open about their relationship in the past. They've 450 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: always been really open in the past about their relationship struggles. 451 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: There's been countless YouTube videos about their splits and when 452 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: they've been on the rocks, So it doesn't surprise me 453 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: that Chloe would open up further to her audience about 454 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: relationship drama now. In Chloe's third diary entry, she spoke 455 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: about her postpartum anxiety. She wrote, I'm a mother of 456 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: two beautiful boys that hold my heart. When I had 457 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: my boys, I was so swept up in them that 458 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: I slowly began to lose myself. I developed postpartum anxiety. 459 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: I didn't want to be away from them. I love 460 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: them so much. I feared their lives to the point 461 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: it took over me. As my partner calls it caring 462 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: so much about your kids that you fear extremes. I 463 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: had panic attacks, went to hospital, and I got real 464 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: scared when I felt myself in this because I was 465 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: losing myself. But what was actually happening was my boys 466 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: came into my life to help me find myself, to 467 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: show me that I needed to love and camp for myself. 468 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: I think Chloe opening up like this would really resonate 469 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: with so many mothers who are going through something similar, 470 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: and I do think it's very brave to share these entries. 471 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: I also think maybe we're going to have a podcast 472 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: announcement soon for her and Mitch, because they have been 473 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: teasing it for a while, and I think that there 474 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: is a reason why she's choosing to share this information. 475 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: It was interesting the mention of the hospital visits, because 476 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: if you cast your minds back to February this year, 477 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: the media reported about a very scary incident where Chloe 478 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: blacked out at the wheel of her car when her child, Sonny, 479 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: was in the backseat, and at the time, Chloe shared 480 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: the news with their followers, and she put up a 481 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: photo of herself in hospital with a message explaining what 482 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: had happened. At the time, Chloe explained that she was 483 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: going to be getting an MRI scan and other tests 484 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: done in an attempt to learn why she blacked out. 485 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: She then continued saying that she hadn't been feeling herself 486 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: for a while now and hope that the tests would 487 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: get to the bottom of it. Now, Chloe hasn't provided 488 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: her followers with an update on what might have caused 489 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: the blackout, which I completely understand it might be something 490 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 1: that you want to keep private. But it is interesting 491 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: to hear a diary entry from around that time because 492 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: she did seem to be struggling both physically and mentally. 493 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: I feel like we'll be hearing a lot about it 494 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: on her podcast that is meant to be coming up, 495 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: but we haven't heard any dates or anything like that now. 496 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: On the topic of Mother's Day, Chloe did release a 497 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: special campaign to celebrate the day for ZEP, which raised 498 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: some eyebrows. So in the campaign images we see Chloe, 499 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: her mum, grandma, and two sisters. However, there is no 500 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 1: sign of Chloe's controversial sister, Kate Zepp. Now, she did 501 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: share this photo with an interesting caption, She wrote, my 502 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: soul sisters the women who were related by blood and 503 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: by choice, who share a bond that transcends time, space 504 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: and distance. This seems quite pointed. 505 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 2: Don't you think. 506 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I'd be pretty pissed off if you posted 507 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: a photo just with Amy and wrote that caption. 508 00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: Left me out of it. I mean the fact that 509 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 2: she said really by blood and choice. 510 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: It's like she's saying that she's not choosing to be 511 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: a sole sister with Kate Zep. And things got more 512 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: fishy when Amy Zepp posted a photo of her family 513 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: lined up at a Mother's Day breakfast and Kate was 514 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: cropped out of the photo at the end. Now I'm 515 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: thinking this is a branding move because Kate Zep is 516 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: incredibly controversial. She has a very long list of indiscretions. 517 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: We'll go over a couple. So in twenty nineteen, she 518 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: stood trial for allegedly assaulting a woman at a festival. 519 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: She was also charged after police found drugs and wads 520 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: of cash in her car. She's also been accused of 521 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: leaving a petrol station without paying, and in January, the 522 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: media reported that she was caught using an illegal solarium. 523 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: Now I can see why Chloe does not want to 524 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: connect her brand ZEP with this individual. I can understand 525 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: cutting her out of the photo shoot because you could say, oh, well, 526 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: she had something on that conflicted with it. But the 527 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: fact that she actually attended Mother's Day and was cut 528 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 1: out of the photo speaks volumes about the relationship. Yeah, 529 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: but they've also got their personal brands to consider. Amy 530 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: has a following as well. She might not want to 531 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: be connected with it. On the other hand, maybe they're 532 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: trying to protect their sister. Maybe when they share images 533 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: of her they get a lot of flak in the DM. 534 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: She might ask her sisters not to include her. Who 535 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: knows really now. As we predicted Chloe's baby daddy, Mitch Orville, 536 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: he does look poised to make his YouTube return, so 537 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: on Sunday night, he shared a cute video of him 538 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: holding his son Artie's hand and asked his followers should 539 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: I bring back the vlogs Dad Life chapter. He did 540 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,479 Speaker 1: put up a poll for his followers to vote, and 541 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly it was ninety nine percent saying yes. I've been 542 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: waiting for this because we predicted months ago when Mitch 543 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: returned to social media that he would definitely be trying 544 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: to push some sort of family channel. I've been noticing 545 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: that he's been sharing a lot of videos with Artie 546 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: being really cute in them. I've enjoyed watching the content, 547 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: so I feel like I will enjoy watching this channel. 548 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: Maybe it's going to commincide with a launch, I keep 549 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: banging on about it, but they're definitely going to be 550 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: putting a podcast out, So yeah, I'm pretty pumped for 551 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: this content to come out. I think that Mitch is 552 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: quite talented when it comes to blogging, and their life 553 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: does interest me, so I will be tuning in because 554 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: I do want to know what's happening behind the scenes. 555 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: And I think that they are going to make a 556 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: strategic move to make sure that the content is very wholesome. 557 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: And I think that they have given enough time for 558 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: the dust to settle for everyone to get over it. 559 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 2: They've stayed out of. 560 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: The limelight, and I think everyone is well and truly 561 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: over the vaccine scandals. It's the perfect time for them 562 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: to re emerge. I feel like I've been very immersed 563 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: in the world of Mitch Orville recently, which sounds odd, 564 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: but I have been doing some research for a bonus episode. 565 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: We're going to be releasing on Monday, and I'm very 566 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: excited to hear people's opinions of it. Well, I think 567 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: that is all we have time for today. Thank you 568 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: so much for joining us for this episode. If you 569 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: have enjoyed it, could you please make sure you are 570 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: subscribed on Apple podcast and also Spotify and if you 571 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: would like to hear bonus content from us. 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