1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Job mission with Joins and Amanda Well. 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 2: We spoke to Hugh Rimington just twenty four hours ago. 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 2: I thought by now we might have a result. It's 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: still close, but no result has been called. Hugh Rimington 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: from Washington, Hello. 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: How are you all good? What about you? You haven't 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: slept for forty eight hours. 8 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 2: We hear you now in an art gallery, hiding in 9 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: a toilet. 10 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: Now as you've come into a beautiful space outside this gallery, 11 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: there's no one in the art gallery. So I thought 12 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: I'll take ten minutes while we're waiting to indulge a 13 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: personal personal fashion and passionate weakness and let us go 14 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: and look at the art. So and mice to be 15 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: able to do it. Joe Biden is about to make 16 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: a statement, so that's just flashed up. I doubt if 17 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,639 Speaker 1: it's any kind of claim of victory. I think all 18 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: they're doing at this stage is to keep themselves in 19 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: the news cycle. For twenty four hours and we've heard 20 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: nothing from Donald Trump. He's still hold up in the 21 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: White House. He's got lawyers coming out to speak shortly 22 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: on his behalf making sub statements about Arizona and how 23 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: they are trying to claim Arizona. I think they've got 24 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: legal challenges brewing for Arizona. The only thing we've heard 25 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: from him is a statement which looks just like one 26 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: of his tweets but has come out under the letterhead, 27 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: and it says, in capital letters, if you can count sorry, 28 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: if you count the legal votes, I easily won the election. 29 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 1: If you count the legal votes, I easily won the election. 30 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: If you count the illegal and late votes, they can 31 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: steal the election from us. 32 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: So change it's so inflammatory, it is just extraordinary. That's 33 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 2: from the presidential office. You is there any basis in 34 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: what he's saying? Any teeth in this legal staff. 35 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: Any teeth. Look, you can always get a legal challenge, 36 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: but if you've got enough voyage, you can throw them 37 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: into places and they can find things to bicker over. 38 00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: But substance to the legal challenges I haven't seen, because 39 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: he's you know, the whole arguments were based around wholesale stealing. 40 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: They've had people out there Trump campaign lawyers saying, you 41 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: know that they're on guard against ballot box stuffing, that 42 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: this could happen. Trump sett it himself on election right, 43 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: that votes appear from nowhere kind of thing. But there's 44 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: no substance, no evidence to it. And there's something really interesting, 45 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: you know, the old sherwock home story about the dog 46 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: that didn't bark. So what significant is it? Not? So 47 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,119 Speaker 1: what you're not seeing, take a look at what you're 48 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: not seeing. The Republican Party is a big organization right 49 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: across the United States, made up of Republican governors, people 50 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: in the Senate Congressmen. You've got the members of Trump's 51 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: own cabinet. Where are they? You're not seeing them line 52 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: up one after the other in front of the TV 53 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: channel things to say. You know, there's a terrible calumny 54 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: against the American people. There's been a theft of for 55 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: the president's right. We've got to get there's nowhere in 56 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: sight the silent and it's almost as if they're cutting 57 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: him adrift. And so the only people out there speaking 58 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: for him are essentially the paid lawyers and close allies. 59 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: Like You've got to say, now fairly, you know, credit 60 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: free Rudy Giuliani. He has very little credibility in the 61 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: scheme of the things out froffing yesterday. None of the 62 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: apparatus of the Republican Party, all of the government, including 63 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: the Cabinet and are now into two days on have 64 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: come out to say the President's right, and that tells 65 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: you something that they're essentially cutting and loose. And at 66 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: the same time, we're seeing something else really interesting happen, 67 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: and that is the protests that we're expected on both 68 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: sides are just not happening. There are some here or there, 69 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: and you know, you know, they've prepared security across places 70 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: like Washington and New York's doncated storefronts. All this kind 71 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: of hasn't happened. And I spoke to a contact of 72 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: mine who's within what you're broadly speaking, the antifa movement, 73 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: the anti fascist movement is with is it organizer with 74 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: an organization called Refuse Fascism, and he he's not even 75 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: going to a protest that the demonstration that they're planning tomorrow, 76 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: as he describes it, to use his words, it's like 77 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: the air has gone out of a balloon, but in 78 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: a good way. Wow. And for all the build up 79 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: of tension and everything else like that, it is not 80 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: impossible that through the count and through legal challenges, Trump 81 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: could still win this election. It is not impossible. But 82 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: the sense here is that the process is working as 83 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: it should, and a result will emerge, which is a 84 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: true result of the will of the people. And it's like, 85 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: let's wait and see what that is. 86 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 2: People must be exhausted though coronavirus, poor economics, job losses, 87 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: the election, and now the result dragging on. People just 88 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 2: must be exhausted. 89 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: Well maybe that's it, you know, after a year of 90 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: anxieties across the United States, across the world, but within 91 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: this vast and wonderful country, people have lived at a 92 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: high pitch and it's almost like now there's a moment 93 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: where they're going, we can breed out for a minute. 94 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: It's out of our hands. We've done what was required 95 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: of us, and that as we voted, it's out of 96 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: our hands. And it's been interesting to see the number 97 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: of state election officials have come out and health news 98 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: conferences all essentially on the same theme. We are conducting 99 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: a process with integrity. We are doing it according to 100 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: the laws, We're doing it with great care, We're taking 101 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: our time about it. The votes are going to be counted. 102 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: Sit back, the votes are going to be counted. And 103 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: it's almost like people can say, right, that's okay. The 104 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: institutions of America, which have been so battered under Trump, 105 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: the courts, the media of course, which is I suppose 106 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: an institution in the society batted by Trump. You aggressively 107 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: attacked by Trump for year after year after year. You know, 108 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: the whole process of universities, experts, the elite institutions, some 109 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: are other government institutions. They have survived in and are 110 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: conducting their business. And that's a relief to people. I 111 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: think it is a good thing. You you stay safe 112 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: over there. 113 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: Hey, you're in that museum. 114 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: Can you pick us up like a fridge magnet, because 115 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: I just like one for my fridge. I collect them, 116 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: and that would be pretty cool. If the gift shops question, 117 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: I'll get to your fridge and if I can shovel out 118 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: a couple of potastoes. 119 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 2: You know, just I'll take a Popasso Jones. You'll have 120 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 2: a fridge magnet. No one's noticed in a nuts well. 121 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 2: We so appreciate your work because you've been working flat 122 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 2: out and we love that you've joined us this morning. 123 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. 124 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: You always a pleasure to take it. 125 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: Take Ruins in there with Amanda