WEBVTT - MINI: Is ChatGPT making us dumber?

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<v Speaker 2>Laura, I know that you sometimes use chat GPT. What

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<v Speaker 2>were the last things that you looked up?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, God, don't put me in the spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I say this because I'm definitely new to it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't use chat GPT.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and when I say that, there are some people

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<v Speaker 1>who use chat GPT as like their entire personality. They

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<v Speaker 1>write business plans on it, they have workout meal plans,

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<v Speaker 1>they do their tax through chat.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I use it for questions, I could probably just

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<v Speaker 3>use the normal Internet.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that I didn't really understand how like thorough

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<v Speaker 2>it was because I've sort of not got the hype.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of those things I listen to people talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>But I sporadically would put some questions in. But I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't realize that in just seconds it could do like

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<v Speaker 2>all of your work.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I'm definitely not using it. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>My last search was chemtrails myths debunked?

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<v Speaker 3>Are they real? I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the answer, kem trails There was absolutely no

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<v Speaker 1>scientific evidence that they exist. We are not being poisoned

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<v Speaker 1>by the government. Everyone in case you thought we were somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>I should have looked this up.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone recently commented on one of my photos on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>I went trails. Yeah, I was in Italy and it

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<v Speaker 2>had been like sporadically raining and there was a cloud

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<v Speaker 2>in the photo and someone wrote, it's raining from the chemtrails.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see them in the back of your photo

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, what, Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you don't have to Google. I have chat GPT.

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<v Speaker 1>That also, I was looking up things like normal weight

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<v Speaker 1>gained for twenty one weeks pregnant.

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<v Speaker 3>So look, I mean, how big is my baby?

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<v Speaker 1>I certainly don't need to be using chat GPT.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm killing the environment, as it would see.

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<v Speaker 2>I did spend last night on chat GPT looking up

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<v Speaker 2>new business names, not for us, Laura, but just for myself.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway. I had some good examples.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I wanted to say is I saw this

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<v Speaker 2>new study from these researchers at MIT's Media Lab. They

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<v Speaker 2>have said that they think that chat GPT is reducing

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<v Speaker 2>our critical thinking skills. Now that doesn't sound like shock horror,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was really interesting. So they used like an

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<v Speaker 2>EEG which records brain activity. Yeah, and they split people

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<v Speaker 2>up into three groups which were using nothing at all,

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<v Speaker 2>using Google's search engine, and using chat GPT to write essays,

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<v Speaker 2>so like three groups you could just use your brain,

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<v Speaker 2>Google or chat GPT. Then they studied their brain activity

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<v Speaker 2>and they made them do some tests off the back

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<v Speaker 2>of it, and basically, people that use chat GPT over

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<v Speaker 2>the coming months had consistently underperformed at neural, linguistic, and

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<v Speaker 2>behavioral levels. They had the lowest brain engagement, so they're

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<v Speaker 2>literally watching their brain and just nothing's happening. And on

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<v Speaker 2>top of that, they then asked them to repeat and

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<v Speaker 2>try and remember what they had written in the essay,

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<v Speaker 2>So like even though they've used different search engines, they

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<v Speaker 2>still had to write the essay. Everyone that used chat

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<v Speaker 2>GPT had the lowest memory level, Like they couldn't even

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<v Speaker 2>remember what they were writing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know that there's been a research studied

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<v Speaker 1>on this, but I feel like that that's pretty evident

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<v Speaker 1>because if you're going to write it from scratch, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to have done the research.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got to interpret it, you've got to spit.

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<v Speaker 1>It out, like you have to actually be able to

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<v Speaker 1>comprehend what it is that you have read. Whereas like

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why people are getting into so much trouble

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<v Speaker 1>for using chat GPT in their workplace and everywhere else

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<v Speaker 1>is because you're basically just outsourcing your own thinking or

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<v Speaker 1>critical thinking or work use and just removing the long

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<v Speaker 1>dash that everyone knows and now we all know now

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<v Speaker 1>that that's like the indicator of chat GPT.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there used to be a bit of an argument

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't they used to be there still is. There

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<v Speaker 2>was an argument that people were saying, well, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily make you dumber. It just gives you freeze up

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<v Speaker 2>more time to do other things, which in a way

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<v Speaker 2>it does. But if it's only free and you are

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<v Speaker 2>up more time to do other things and in the

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<v Speaker 2>other time you're still using chat chept to do the

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<v Speaker 2>other things, well.

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<v Speaker 3>Then we are getting dumber.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're actually they're genuinely now worried about our next generation.

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<v Speaker 1>I think personally, and I know, like we joke about

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<v Speaker 1>what I've been searching and stuff. I think I was

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<v Speaker 1>quite a late adopter to it, and I don't use

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<v Speaker 1>it in the way that people who are very good

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<v Speaker 1>and like critical at creating. I think because you can

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<v Speaker 1>give it like different personas and whatnot set up libraries

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<v Speaker 1>and all that sort of stuff. We all know that

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<v Speaker 1>person in either our friendship group or maybe you've met

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<v Speaker 1>him at a party and I'm saying him because it's

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<v Speaker 1>often a but sometimes you know it shouldn't gender it.

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<v Speaker 3>But there are.

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<v Speaker 1>People we're talking about because I have met them over

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<v Speaker 1>and over again. There are people whose chat GPT is

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<v Speaker 1>now their entire personality.

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<v Speaker 3>They do everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Every email they write has spat out through chat GPT,

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<v Speaker 1>every single meal plan they use chat GPT as their therapist.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it does make me wonder, not only in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of like essays and schoolwork and everything else, but are

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<v Speaker 1>some people leaning on it too heavily that they're outsourcing

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<v Speaker 1>so much of their personality to what is essentially just

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<v Speaker 1>a computer.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent?

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<v Speaker 3>But what's the next generation going to be? Can we

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<v Speaker 3>not string a sentence together? Can we not write?

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<v Speaker 1>But we're really good at writing, just they won't be

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<v Speaker 1>able to do it without being prompted