WEBVTT - MINI! Aussie Mum’s Controversial Passport Hack Will Shock You

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I don't know if you have seen this, but

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<v Speaker 1>this is an article that tickled my fancy. It's going

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<v Speaker 1>viral online at the moment and it is causing a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of controversy, but I can't understand why. So there

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<v Speaker 1>is an Ozzy self proclaimed wellness influencer. Her name is

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<v Speaker 1>Shannon Michayla, and she has posted a how to guide

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<v Speaker 1>about moving countries and giving birth in another country so

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<v Speaker 1>that you can get dual citizenship for your child. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>before I get your opinion, Laura, just have a listen

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<v Speaker 1>to what she has to say.

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<v Speaker 2>So from Australia to Coastriaca to give birth and get

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<v Speaker 2>our child an extra passport. They're around thirty countries currently

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<v Speaker 2>across the globe that offer birthright citizenship, which means that

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<v Speaker 2>when you give birth in these countries, your child becomes

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<v Speaker 2>a citizen there and you as the parents that granted

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<v Speaker 2>permanent residency with a.

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<v Speaker 3>Pathway to citizenship.

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<v Speaker 2>The most common way to get permanent residency status in

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<v Speaker 2>another country is typically through investment programs, which can cost

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<v Speaker 2>upwards of one hundred thousand dollars per applicant, or you

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<v Speaker 2>can choose to give birth there and immigrate for just

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<v Speaker 2>a fraction of the cost.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh come on, now, she's she's been semi slammed online

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<v Speaker 1>by people. People are calling it like new age colonialism,

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<v Speaker 1>an anchor quote. This is essentially anchor baby instructions for

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<v Speaker 1>rich people? What is this? Immigration influencer? Like this is?

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<v Speaker 1>This is so silly? I'm what is the problem, Laura? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>My problem?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't have an overarchingly do whatever you want to,

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<v Speaker 3>but being an influencer and trying to do a how

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<v Speaker 3>too for people to have babies in other countries so

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<v Speaker 3>that you can get a passport brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I feel like it seems really negligible. I think negligible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, in terms of like why, like I mean negligent, negligent, Sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>not negligible. Okay, I'm so angry it's negligent. No negligent

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<v Speaker 3>that in that Okay. For one, are people now gonna

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<v Speaker 3>have babies with the intention that it's going to get

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<v Speaker 3>them some sort of dual citizenship? Or are you doing

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<v Speaker 3>this as it's opportunistic?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>A you're only doing it because you're already pregnant that

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<v Speaker 3>you're then going to flag overseas?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the problem with getting your baby a dual citizenship.

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<v Speaker 1>Though I mean, I think it seems privileged. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's fine. I do not see a problem with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason I say that is it is probably

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<v Speaker 1>something i'd do. Of Course, it's privilege. I think you

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<v Speaker 1>would do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it is You're going to fly to Costa Rica

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<v Speaker 3>and have a baby over there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, I'm not saying I'm going to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>If Ben lived somewhere that I and I had the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to either have a baby there and it gets

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<v Speaker 1>dull citizenship, or have a baby here my partner Ben,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have it where the baby is going to

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<v Speaker 1>have more opportunity. The baby's going to have more opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>with dual citizenship. Now, the reason I don't think this

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<v Speaker 1>is a problem is you say it's so privileged. Of

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<v Speaker 1>course it is, but that's not what the debate is.

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<v Speaker 1>The debate isn't around privilege or not. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think we throw privilege into every conversation we ever have

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<v Speaker 1>in society. Yeah, cool, she's privileged, but she's also contributing

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<v Speaker 1>to their economy. She works over there, She lives and works,

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<v Speaker 1>but she chose that place so that she could have

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<v Speaker 1>dual citizenship for her baby. So I think it's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>she's contributing to society. What's the problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but she might be contributing, but that's not what

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<v Speaker 3>she's selling. You're selling online for people to fly into

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<v Speaker 3>other countries have babies there, and she's giving them the

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<v Speaker 3>how to guide on how to do it, which I

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<v Speaker 3>think is abusing the system. And it is privileged and

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<v Speaker 3>it's not putting what's best for the kid or for

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<v Speaker 3>a mother's own health and well being during a pregnancy journey.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just putting down the citizenship is the most important

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<v Speaker 3>thing out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that that's crazy. How is it not

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<v Speaker 1>looking after How is it not putting the kids at

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<v Speaker 1>health first?

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<v Speaker 3>Because you've I mean, if you've had a child, you

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<v Speaker 3>know that you go through this like structured system in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of health care within Australia. Right you have like

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<v Speaker 3>all of these allocated appointments. You are within the safety

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<v Speaker 3>net of either being under the Midwiffree program or you're

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<v Speaker 3>within like you know, a birthing program, and so you

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<v Speaker 3>have these regular checks with regular doctors so that you

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<v Speaker 3>have the continuity of care. If you're going to fly

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<v Speaker 3>to Costa Rica in your third trimester to have a baby.

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<v Speaker 3>Try and tell me that that's not going to put

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<v Speaker 3>that baby at any risk at all. I think it

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<v Speaker 3>is crazy, and I think it is selfish, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's really dangerous to toke this on social media

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<v Speaker 3>as though it's a plan.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I disagree. I disagree because I think people are

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<v Speaker 1>misunderstanding what she's doing. She's not flying in a day

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<v Speaker 1>before birthing the child and flying home to That's not

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<v Speaker 1>what this is. All she's trying to do is bring

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<v Speaker 1>awareness to the fact. And if these countries didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>you to be able to have this dual citizenship, they

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have it as a law. It would not be

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<v Speaker 1>an option. But it is an option. Why is it

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<v Speaker 1>an option because it's okay? Why because more people are

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<v Speaker 1>going to come over and probably contribute to their economy,

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<v Speaker 1>which most likely is semi struggling.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well, it does say here that it's considered a

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<v Speaker 3>tax haven to do these things, so I do think

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<v Speaker 3>it's financially beneficial, and maybe there's some other incentives there

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<v Speaker 3>rather than what might.

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<v Speaker 1>Be doing God good honor. She's helping people save money

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<v Speaker 1>and get their kid jewel citizenship Gosh. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>we shouldn't be taking advice from influences. You are one