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Speaker 1: Get a I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter,

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Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure

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Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,

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Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview

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Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows,

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Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail.

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Speaker 2: Hello friends.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest is someone that has been on my dream

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Speaker 1: guest list for I'm going to say two or three years,

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Speaker 1: and it finally happened. Hugh Sheridan, actor, singer, dance. He's

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Speaker 1: such a triple threat. He was in Los Angeles for

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Speaker 1: a little chunk of time and we literally recorded this

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Speaker 1: the day before he flew back to Australia because he's

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Speaker 1: doing loads of carols. So if you're going to see

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Speaker 1: carols in oh yeah, there's a good change, you'll see.

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Speaker 2: Hugh Sheridan singing.

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Speaker 1: And he's got a brand new Chrissy album, The Marius,

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Speaker 1: which is officially out now on Spotify, So go and

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Speaker 1: have a listen.

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Speaker 2: It is so good.

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Speaker 1: This episode is very vulnerable, very honest. Hugh is the

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Speaker 1: real deal. I hope you love this chat as much

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Speaker 1: as I did.

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Speaker 2: Hugh Sheridan. We are on.

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Speaker 3: Hello listeners, this is I'm Margaret Throsby and you are

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Speaker 3: listening to ABC Radio National classic of him Today where

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Speaker 3: he is Hugh Sheridan and Lola Berry at the Patiomitage

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Speaker 3: in West Hollywood. This is a sound check. We're talking

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Speaker 3: all things love, leisure, life and major fails. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: If you're just joining us, that's right here with Hugh

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Speaker 3: Shardon and Lola Berry.

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Speaker 2: I don't need an intro. No, you just did it

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Speaker 2: all for me.

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Speaker 4: You don't, Yeah, yeah, And Margaret Throsby to.

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Speaker 1: You, can I say you have been such joy to research.

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Speaker 1: I have been binge watching you for the last three

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Speaker 1: days straight.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 2: No, it was, And what an incredible career.

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Speaker 3: If you're listening's got She's got a dollar each way

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Speaker 3: and I going that way, and I going that way,

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Speaker 3: She's gone across.

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Speaker 1: No, honestly, like such an incredible career. I have to

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Speaker 1: start by asking about this Strowan ballet that like, I

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Speaker 4: Well it was.

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Speaker 3: It was a necessary part of my past because I

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Speaker 4: Ironically, actually, the first.

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Speaker 3: One of the first things that people always talk about

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Speaker 3: from when I was very little was I used to

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Speaker 4: By candlelight, which I love.

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Speaker 3: But I do carols by Sheridan Line in the backyard

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Speaker 3: But I also auditioned for Nida for the acting. I

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Speaker 2: Do you remember your Nier audition.

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Speaker 1: I remember walking into a room and they're like, and

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Speaker 4: That was too expensive. My parents like there's no way.

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Speaker 1: So neither is like the most celebrated I would say,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wouldn't you say?

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Speaker 2: You you're the triple threat. We know this.

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Speaker 1: How much did Nider play Because I know when you're

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Speaker 3: They called him and I've still got the article somewhere

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Speaker 4: The headline was heugh York here York or something like that.

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Speaker 4: He said, you know, so what do you think.

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Speaker 4: But he said, that's exactly what you did, and it was.

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Speaker 2: It's like break you down, build up, Okay.

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Speaker 4: And I would do it in character. And so instead

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Speaker 3: Leaving their house when come I come over, who was

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Speaker 4: Sometimes you'd find like drugs and abuse them. So what

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Speaker 2: You know, I'd love that you turned into a whole

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Speaker 2: So and then the call comes for packing the rafters.

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Speaker 4: Yeah really before that we weren't allowed to audition.

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Speaker 2: Nothing like how do you?

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Speaker 3: I nailed it. I knew, I just knew that I

449
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 3: was perfect this role. And I flew back to Australia

450
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 3: to do the photoshoot for I was Vibe, and then

451
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 3: I got called to come back.

452
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 4: To do the test for it.

453
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 3: Which was at the Athletics Club here in LA There

454
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 3: was like fifty producers and investors there watching and I

455
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 3: had to learn the dance in front of everyone, and

456
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 3: I had two of Michael Jackson's dancers from This Is

457
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 3: It This was just after he passed away, and Kenny

458
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 3: of had choreographed it and they were there and I

459
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 3: got through the whole dance like the dancers were going,

460
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 3: no one's gone this far, I don't worry, and I

461
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 3: was like, this is cool, because the dancing was the.

462
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 4: Hardest part of me.

463
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 3: And I managed to get the whole dance done, and

464
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 3: then came to singing and acting, which I knew I

465
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 3: was going to nail. And I called my agents and

466
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going to get this, like this

467
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 3: is this is mine and they were like, you know,

468
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 3: don't get ahead of yourself all this sort of thing.

469
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 3: And I left the audition and Kenny was up there

470
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 3: like showing me the girls that he's going to cast,

471
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 3: and it felt very, very very sure. And then later

472
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: that day I went to go and meet the head

473
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 3: of lions Gate and I was.

474
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 4: Like, this is it, this is this is it. Got

475
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Speaker 4: back to.

476
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 3: Australia in start shooting for and we were in Dubbo

477
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 3: and there I will survive. I've had a two week

478
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 3: clash with the rehearsals of Dirty Dancing and there was

479
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 3: no there seemed to be no way around it. Kelly

480
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 3: Abbey was the director, I was the choreographer and I

481
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 3: will survive. And she said she called Kenny because she

482
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 3: knew it and said like I will teach you the

483
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 3: dancers and need something.

484
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 4: They couldn't really move around it, and then I killed

485
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 4: my agents.

486
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 3: I said, well, I'm going to quit, like I can't,

487
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 3: like this is my opportunity. And at that point Channel

488
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 3: ten had threatened to sue Lionsgate if I left the show,

489
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 3: and so Lionsgate were like we don't want you no

490
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 3: matter what, Like there's no moving around her. And that

491
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 3: was a really, really, really tough moment in my career

492
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 3: because I just I was in At that point, we

493
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 3: left Dubbo and I was in Coba, which is like,

494
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I love all of Australia.

495
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 4: Coba. If you don't know, it's.

496
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 3: About four hours west, maybe more of Sydney, and it's

497
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: not the most exciting place. And if you're thinking about

498
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 3: your life on Broadway and that sort of thing, and

499
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 3: you're in Coba with a bunch of people that are

500
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 3: trying to win a reality show and they're doing drag

501
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 3: An Street and you're just thinking about all the week

502
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 3: you've done your whole life to get to this point.

503
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 4: I remember, I just put on my shoes.

504
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 3: It was the day that they were doing the final

505
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 3: callbacks and the chemistry tests in La and I just

506
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 3: I ran.

507
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 4: I ran out into the desert.

508
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 3: I had my phone on shuffle and I was crying

509
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 3: and crying, and I just kept running and running until

510
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: I couldn't run anymore. And this song came on that

511
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 3: was from my first album called.

512
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 5: All Right, and it's like life is lonely and confusing

513
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 5: when you lose your way, but life is learning. I

514
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 5: can show you you'll live through the pain. It can

515
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 5: hold you, it can choke you, tear you up inside.

516
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 5: You're gonna be oh, all right.

517
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 3: And then there's this part that's like, because they don't

518
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 3: see the way you cry, they don't have to live

519
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: your life. It feels like this will never end when

520
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 3: you can't find the strength inside.

521
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 4: Just look to me. I'm on your side.

522
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 3: And then it's like, won't let you be on on

523
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 3: And it's like a big belt. I won't say it

524
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,479
Speaker 3: because we're in a hotel room, but I remember I

525
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 3: just stopped. I was crying, and this horse came over

526
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 3: and I was like panning the horse and I was crying,

527
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: and it was like I'd written and recorded this song

528
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 3: for this.

529
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 4: Moment to remind me that it was gonna be okay.

530
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: And then when I got back to Koba, I get

531
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 3: a message from my agent saying they're not gonna make

532
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 3: the movie anymore because no one could.

533
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 4: Studio was so set on you. And one of the

534
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 4: guys was.

535
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 3: A really good singer and dancer, he couldn't act. And

536
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: the other one was really good actor and singer, but

537
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 3: he couldn't Dane, So they didn't make it.

538
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 4: So that was like a kind of silver lining, but

539
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 4: it was still shit, you know.

540
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 3: Like but but then again, I think everything in life

541
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 3: happens for a reason, nothing happens by chance.

542
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 4: And even where.

543
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 3: I am right now in my life, I'm like, I

544
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 3: know that I have confidence that you know, there's a

545
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 3: bigger picture, and maybe my life wouldn't have been exactly

546
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: where it is right now and everything that's happened, I

547
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 3: don't think. I mean, we all have like little regrets,

548
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: but not really because as long as you're happy where

549
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 3: you are right now, that's the main thing, because we

550
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 3: wouldn't be here now if it wasn't for everything else.

551
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: Totally. I mean, I mean that's such amazing perspective.

552
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: To have.

553
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: But some days it's like I need your song, like

554
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: in my head, it's going for a run.

555
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: My question for you is, and.

556
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: This is a really hard question for actors, but like

557
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: what's your north start? Like what would be the dream

558
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: if your agent called you up tomorrow and they're like, Hue,

559
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: this is what you're auditioning for and you just knowing

560
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: your bones like this is for you.

561
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: What would be like?

562
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: Because I feel like I feel like you've had so

563
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: many wins in Australia, You've had so many on stage wins.

564
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: I want to see you in an American feat film.

565
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: Sorry, just just projecting my own once over here.

566
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 4: I mean I would love that too.

567
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 3: I mean I would love all about my mind north

568
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: Stary is just to keep working.

569
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 4: I really love working. Yeah, and the last.

570
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: Few years have been not so much. I did a

571
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: film last year in Sri Lanka. I was working there

572
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 3: for quite a few months and I worked out after

573
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 3: a little while that the director and he was also

574
00:28:54,160 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 3: the producer, was potentially a con artist. The crew telling

575
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: me that they hadn't been paid, and then I was

576
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: trying to get hold of my agents to find out

577
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: if I'd been paid anything. The whole thing was a sham,

578
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 3: like it's not coming out, and I was playing with

579
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: the lead. It was a huge amount of work, a

580
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: lot of time commitment. I turned down other jobs for it,

581
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: and like nothing came after that, nothing was resolved. Like

582
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 3: the year before that, my father played nieces had passed

583
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 3: away and so I took a bit of time off

584
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: to spend with them, and I had like a bit

585
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 3: of a sabbatical, which in retrospect is probably a stupid

586
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 3: thing to do, because I guess out of sight and

587
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: of mind is a real thing.

588
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 4: Especially I can show you this thing.

589
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: Thing sort of dropped off in a big way there,

590
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: and then this year has been exactly like pretty damn

591
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: slow as well.

592
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: So but he's just put out a christy album, that's

593
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: all that's that's.

594
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 3: I think that's the secret for anyone young listening. For me,

595
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 3: it's been a good reminder that because that even before

596
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: when I was doing like, you know, Rafters, I was

597
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 3: just sort of mainly doing Rafters, but we still had

598
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: lots of downtime and other people would get jobs and.

599
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 4: I'd be like, hmm, nobody wants me. So I would

600
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 4: create shows.

601
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 3: Like I created my band the California Cream as well,

602
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: and I'm bringing them back to Australia now.

603
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: For Adelaide Fringe, the Adelaide.

604
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 3: Fringe, and I would create sort of like one man

605
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: shows and to be able to rely on yourself and

606
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: also yeah, the album, Like I did an album last

607
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: year as well. In the downtime, obviously it eats up

608
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: a lot of money. It's better if you've got someone

609
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: to help you. Yeah, in these instances, I've just done

610
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 3: it myself and I'm hoping that it pays off. But

611
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: you just got to keep going and keep throwing stuff.

612
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 4: At the wall.

613
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: Well, I'm a little Christmas person. And this new album

614
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: it's called The Merriest, right, the Merriest, Oh, which you are?

615
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 4: It is such Maybe not when we're talking about favors.

616
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: But you know, but that's all part of it, you know,

617
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: it's an important part.

618
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: I think it's healthy to talk about it.

619
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 3: Christmas is a hopeful time of yew right, and you

620
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: do certainly a meaningful time of year.

621
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: But you do all these carols. You're literally find Australia tomorrow.

622
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 3: I'm flying tomorrow to do like, Like, if there's a

623
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 3: carols and my name is not on the bill and

624
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: you want me there, just contact the organizer.

625
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 4: I'll be there.

626
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: So you're doing Adelaide Carols, doing Sydney Carrol, I'm.

627
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 4: Doing two carols in Adelaide. I'm doing two carols in Sydney.

628
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: I'm doing Yeah, I'm doing some of the twenty third

629
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: at Double Bay Carols in the Domain on the nineteen.

630
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm doing the Adelaide.

631
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to be there on the nineteenth. Oh really,

632
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: I should try and see you.

633
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: I feel I'm mad for Christy Carroll.

634
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 4: I'll bring you backstage.

635
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: I'll stop it.

636
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 4: She had hair on the podcast. She's great.

637
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: Oh so good, she's so gad.

638
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: She's great and she's a realistic.

639
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel so this is the thing.

640
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm excited for you, Like I know you've shared really

641
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: like openly about fellow You're in tough times, and I

642
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: think every actor feels that, like I've got to make

643
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: this a bit of a director mentor and I'm like,

644
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: you're crushing it, mate, You're never not working.

645
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, but.

646
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm not where I want to be, you know, like

647
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: we've always were always like chasing that yes, yeah yet

648
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: kind of thing. But it feels like this whole christmasy thing,

649
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: like the album you're going back and you're essentially touring

650
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: all over Australia with Carol's like how flipp and cool.

651
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 4: I know.

652
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: I was talking to one of my nieces the other

653
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: day and she was having a bit of a rough

654
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 3: time and so I had a nice chat with her

655
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 3: and she was like, well, how are you going. I

656
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 3: was like, I had just been offered a role in

657
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: a play.

658
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 4: That what it is.

659
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: But I went to meet to meet the crew in

660
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: New York and.

661
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 4: We had a great meeting.

662
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 3: I thought it was like unreal, And this was a

663
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: play that I was hesitant to do because I had

664
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: like full frontal nudity in quite a moment and stuff

665
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 3: like that. And I was like no, but you know,

666
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: I'm going to challenge myself and I'm gonna do it.

667
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 4: This is gonna be fine.

668
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: And then like a few days later, my agent was like, oh,

669
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: so after meeting you, they just don't think that you're

670
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 3: right for the role.

671
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 4: I was feeling, so what did I say? Like, what

672
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 4: did I do in that meeting that was so wrong?

673
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: Since then I actually spoke to the director who was like, no, no, no,

674
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: you were fine. He's like, literally because they'd cast two

675
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: other characters already, and it was like, I just don't know.

676
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: He's like, I literally just don't think that's going to fit.

677
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 3: He was like, but it's not your talent or anything.

678
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 3: But I felt I was feeling very shit about it.

679
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 4: And that's what we.

680
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: Do though, right, Like you get a rejection and you're like, well,

681
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: it's all me.

682
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: Well, but I mean it was wrong and then it

683
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 3: was a rejection, which is sort of like what had

684
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 3: happened with Jesus Christ Superstar and with I mean, I

685
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: remember I was cast in Dream Love.

686
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 4: I worked on that for five years. I did the

687
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 4: workshops for.

688
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 3: Five years, and I don't really know. I mean, David

689
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: Campbell's a good friend of mine, was you know, I

690
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 3: mean we haven't really spoken or seen each other, and

691
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 3: he never reached out. But I it was about a

692
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 3: week before that was starting, and I was in I

693
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 3: was in Aspen and I was heading back and things

694
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: kept shifting around, and that was the first year I

695
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 3: was doing California Crunis Club, and I said to my

696
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: manager at the time, I said, look, we're going to

697
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: cancel the California Greeners Club, because I said, I've been

698
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 3: working on this show for so long, ith so important

699
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 3: to me. I'd met Bobby Darren's manager, I'd met his

700
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 3: best friend, I'd met all these people who had at

701
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: the time had to confirm me for the role, and

702
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: we were guns are blazing. And then I got a

703
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: call and they said, no, we've actually offered the role

704
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: to David Campbell last minute. And I was on contract. Like,

705
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 3: I mean, technically I could have sued them.

706
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: I turned down other work.

707
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mormon, I mean like there's a lot of yeah,

708
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: and I didn't because I did not want to go

709
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 3: down that road. My agents, understandably, were very upset. I

710
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 3: was more upset on a very personal level because I

711
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 3: put so much into it, and.

712
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 4: That was an incredibly hard, hard let down as well.

713
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 4: But it was sort of like we were both I.

714
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 3: Was on contract and then they gave to someone else

715
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 3: and they said, well, you know, he's on morning television

716
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 3: and he's like right for the crowd. And I remember

717
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 3: saying I wanted to bring this to a younger crowd.

718
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 3: At the time, I was so like yeah, busy and

719
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: high with packed the rafters. It was like I was

720
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 3: going to bring this music to a different crowd. And

721
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: I'm sure the show was absolutely fantastic, but it was

722
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 3: a devastating time and so it's sort of like for

723
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 3: the young people listening and for war for everyone. I'm

724
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 3: sure there's a lot of other actors that would resonate

725
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 3: with this where it's sort of like you can even

726
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: have the role and still lose it, Like you can

727
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 3: be on contract and still lose it.

728
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: How do you navigate that?

729
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 3: It's really really tough, Like it's it's very very tough,

730
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 3: especially I think in Australia where people.

731
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 4: Just think that you're like you're just the winner.

732
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of a lot of peers just

733
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 3: think that it's so easy for me because it's like, oh,

734
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 3: he you know, got rafteds.

735
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 4: It's like I started training when I was five. Yeah,

736
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 4: I went to the Australian Ballet School. I studied opera.

737
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 4: I've had so many rejections and still do it all

738
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 4: the time.

739
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 3: I did, like, I think my first three auditions in

740
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: like a couple of years. What happened in the last

741
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: few months and I didn't get any of them.

742
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 4: But that's like.

743
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: Part of it is just I was just happy to

744
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: have some auditions.

745
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm auditioning for the waitress on Monday.

746
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 4: And once they.

747
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: Hear this, they probably will be like, well, there's no

748
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: way he's getting it anyway, but no same produces. I

749
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 3: was dream lover, but but then again you never know it.

750
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 3: And but it's I'm just happy that they're seeing me.

751
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: I you know, the people that did like Fantomoth that

752
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 3: are doing the opera wouldn't even see me.

753
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 4: That was the first role.

754
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 3: I played out of Niter and I was like, can

755
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 3: I please audition for that? No response? I remember last

756
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: year opera, so they was doing what was guys and Dolls,

757
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: which is so me like fun luck be a lady.

758
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: Luck if you've ever been a lady to wick in with.

759
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 3: I mean, my dad opened for Frank Sinacha for fo

760
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: sake what Yeah, And they wouldn't even see me for

761
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: an audition. So like people that think that it's easy,

762
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: like get buckle up, it ain't easy for me.

763
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 4: It ain't easy for anybody.

764
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: I think the industry can be very clique and you've

765
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 3: got to be in there and you've got to be

766
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 3: that person until the right people come along and they

767
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: see you.

768
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 4: You know, I was so excited. I told you about

769
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 4: tiktick Boom.

770
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my next question.

771
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tic tick Boom's coming back and I'm doing that

772
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: in cans And.

773
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: I'm was it so much fun to do?

774
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 4: It?

775
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 3: Was?

776
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 4: It was really fun?

777
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: It was It was tough because the director of the

778
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: first time had played the character and I don't know.

779
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure it was a two way straight

780
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: I'm you know, but I remember like a few days

781
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 3: it was the end of week one and he took

782
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 3: me aside outside and said, like, what do we need

783
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 3: to do? Do you need a coach? Do you need

784
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 3: It's like we've just done the first run. It's a

785
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 3: very big wordy play. I had COVID pretty badly just

786
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 3: before that and even actually started working with it. At

787
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 3: that point, we were like aware of the fact that

788
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 3: it's not life in Earth.

789
00:38:59,400 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

790
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 4: I was trying.

791
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 3: Really hard and he was just like, you're awful, terrible and.

792
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: That's not the same director that you're going to work with.

793
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: But the same amazing producer who like helped me get

794
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 3: through it.

795
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 4: But he was that was really tough.

796
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: And I'm sure you know what have I You know

797
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: that these click CLICKI people, But the show, by the

798
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: end of it, that was an incredible like you know,

799
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: we opened like two weeks after that conversation, so.

800
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: Hard, like and no one knows about that, right, You've

801
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: still got to show up and give it a hundred percent.

802
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

803
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 3: I remember like the first reviewer came to like the

804
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 3: first preview, and she put the review out on opening

805
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 3: night saying that, like I didn't quite hit the mark,

806
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: and I didn't really care because I was like, I'm

807
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: just doing this the best that I can under extreme circumstances.

808
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 4: But you never sort of stopped learning from that.

809
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: And I'm very excited to be doing Into the Woods

810
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: with stayed up for South Australia. Yeah next year in

811
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: July August in Adelaide, which I'm through because I've always

812
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 3: wanted to play baker.

813
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 4: And that's happening California, Green is well.

814
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 3: I mean they're smaller jobs, but they're great jobs, brilliant roles,

815
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 3: good work, meeting material I have to ask.

816
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: But I love camera like film, TV or stage like

817
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: I feel like they're different homes.

818
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 4: I think they're all are brilliant.

819
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 3: I think you know, film feels incredibly slow and difficult

820
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 3: and could be very tiring. Theater is very tiring, but

821
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 3: you're electric while you're out there. You know you've got

822
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: all the adrenaline and all the rush and essentially you

823
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 3: know you know that once the show starts, you know

824
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 3: when it's going to end. Film and television is like

825
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 3: this long, laborious thing. You don't know when you're going

826
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: to be on set. You don't You've sort of got

827
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 3: to keep between this cool medium of like I'm going

828
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 3: to make this work and I've got to be ready

829
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 3: to go, go, go, but you never know when that's

830
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 3: going to be and it could be hours and hours

831
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 3: and hours and things get shifted around you to weather

832
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: and all.

833
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 4: That sort of thing. So it's it's tough, but they're different.

834
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 4: But there's so.

835
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 3: I love working on film because film TV is such

836
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 3: a you know, working with cameraman and working with shots

837
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 3: and working with great directors that listen to you. And

838
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: I love working with directors that I've worked with before

839
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 3: and it can become so collaborative and they listen to

840
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: my ideas because I really, I mean, I would love

841
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 3: to direct. I wrote a film that Bronze Pictures picked

842
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 3: up and we were set to sort of do and

843
00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 3: we haven't. I know, well we we didn't bite the

844
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 3: bullet on it. I think mainly because of COVID, And

845
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 3: it was like I think it was twenty twenty one,

846
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 3: like my dad died, I got canceled for Headwig, like

847
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: I lost my job.

848
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: I think I told you before this Headwig stuff that

849
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: would have been. I imagine a lot of grief, like entwined

850
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: in like that cancelor like you were doing art, yeah,

851
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: I mean playing multiple.

852
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: Roles, by the way, when you playing every character.

853
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it's one yeah really or a person show,

854
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 3: but it's yeah, it was. It felt incredibly unfair, But

855
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 3: I think that that dates back to what I was

856
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 3: saying about people just looking at me and thinking, oh,

857
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: it's so easy for him, like he just got that role,

858
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: not really understanding the years and years and years of preparation.

859
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 4: And work, and that that role was a big part

860
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 4: of my life. Like I'd essentially.

861
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 3: Come out open about my private life in Stellar magazine

862
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 3: the week before.

863
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I read the article the week before.

864
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 4: Like I got lost the job.

865
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 3: And I did that because I felt to play Hedwig authentically,

866
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 3: you need to have you need to be as vulnerable

867
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 3: as you can. Yeah, And that was a big part

868
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: of it for me. But I didn't know that I

869
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: was going to lose the job later and subsequently like

870
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: lose all of my opportunities to.

871
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 4: Play leading men in anything. You know.

872
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 3: It was just like I was the leading man in

873
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 3: everything when I didn't talk about private life, and then

874
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 3: ever since then it's sort of like no opportunity to

875
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 3: play any of that.

876
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 4: No one looks at me.

877
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I guess it's just, you know, we

878
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 3: like to think that things have changed, and I guess

879
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 3: to a degree, for a couple of people, they sort

880
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 3: of do. I think Jonathan Bailey is the first person

881
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 3: that I've ever seen that was open about his life

882
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 3: before becoming famous get a lead role in anything, And

883
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 3: he is an exceptional superstar.

884
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 4: He's a different beast.

885
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 3: So but yeah, I can't think of anyone else that

886
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: you could name that was previously open about their private

887
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: life and then getting cast in leading men roles theater maybe,

888
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: but like, yeah, it's still tough, especially in Australia.

889
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 4: They're like, I mean, I'd love to play Pete Allan.

890
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, could you imagine so fun? Yeah, here's the

891
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: thing like having listened to a lot of pods with

892
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: you now, having read articles and interviews like I said,

893
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: I love a deep dive. You're so honest. I feel

894
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: like that is like the hallmark of who you are.

895
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: Does it feel good to be like, well, this is

896
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: who I am?

897
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, at this point in my life.

898
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: I think once I did that Stellar article, I was

899
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 3: just like, well, if you give everyone everything, that's it. Like,

900
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I lived for so long with journalists chasing

901
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 3: me and stalking me, but like stalked and set up

902
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 3: in situations and written about without mentioning my name and stuff.

903
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 3: But I knew and it was very hurtful, and it's

904
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 3: sort of things that I think in today's age, they

905
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: wouldn't get away with.

906
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 4: Writing that sort of stuff.

907
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 3: They would not be able to write what they used

908
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 3: to write and like guess who don't see and Shelly

909
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: Horton's column and stuff like that about the young star

910
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: with his boyfriend walking five feet behind, which was not

911
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 3: true anyway, but it it hurt a lot at the time,

912
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: like really hurt because I was super young.

913
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 4: I was a house cleaner that was suddenly well known.

914
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 4: Oh I wasn't.

915
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: I didn't ask for it. When I was at nighters.

916
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: My teacher said, or you were never working film and television,

917
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 3: and I was, yeah, yeah, yeah, Tony Nights.

918
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 4: That bad. But he said I didn't have the right

919
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 4: look for it.

920
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 3: But I was happy with that because I was like,

921
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 3: that's fine, I'm just going to do theater. And I

922
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 3: wanted to do theater because it's not just going to

923
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: do But ironically it's hard to get into that as well.

924
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 3: So I think what I'm trying to say, that's sending

925
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: too negative because we are focusing on.

926
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 4: A lot of the bad things.

927
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 3: But I guess that's part of it because you see

928
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 3: this success thing. But it is a matter of determination

929
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 3: and you just keep going and even if people like

930
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 3: don't like you, or have prejudice or think things or

931
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 3: have opinions whatever, you just got to keep going because

932
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: eventually will move on as well, and there'll be new

933
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 3: people that will see you for.

934
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 4: Who you are.

935
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: So it's a resilience game.

936
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 3: It is definitely a resilience game. It takes a huge,

937
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: huge amount of resilience. But I think the resilience part

938
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: of it, and the rejection and the constant head fucks

939
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 3: and the tears and the wondering and the questioning and

940
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 3: the all.

941
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 4: Of that is also really good parts of life if

942
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 4: you're game enough to take it on.

943
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 3: When I was doing the lighting of the Christmas lights

944
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 3: the other night, I had a friend there and she

945
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: we went and had a drink afterwards, and she was like,

946
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: I just wish I could be happy, like working in

947
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 3: an office or like having I just want to be

948
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: content with.

949
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 4: This like that life.

950
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: And I said, well, I said, that's a huge personality

951
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 3: adjustment flow me and for you. And she said, well basically,

952
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 3: And I said, basically, you just want to be a

953
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: different person. Yeah, And she's like yeah, And I said,

954
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 3: I can't really imagine that because I don't even.

955
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 4: Know what I could do.

956
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: No, you're through and through, Like I.

957
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 3: Don't know, I've done it since I was so little.

958
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 3: But at the same time, you can you can fight it,

959
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: or you can just keep going and embrace it and go.

960
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 2: Oh that was early one, or that was.

961
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 3: The bad things that have happened over the years, like

962
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: in personal life or in professional life. I don't I

963
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 3: feel like, I mean, I hope I'm going to touch

964
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 3: wood when I say yeah, yeah, that, I don't think

965
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 3: it could get that much worse.

966
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: No, But they always say there's a saying once you

967
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: get to a rock bottom, it's the most beautiful place

968
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: to be because you have the opportunity to make a

969
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: change and for you as well, like having researched you,

970
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure like any actor has all these kind of

971
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: like tough years and years where like the auditions don't

972
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: come in or you get canceled for like unfair reasons.

973
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 4: But at the same sometimes you have a few of them.

974
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I.

975
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: Think like your honesty and your vulnerability is your superpower.

976
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: Like I think that you're like, this is who I am.

977
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest about these shit things that

978
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: have happened, and I'm still going to move forward, And

979
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: I think that that is what is inspiring.

980
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 3: There's been so many other good things as well, yeah, like.

981
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 2: Amazing Loki's my friends.

982
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was saying to my friend Press and I

983
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 3: was like, you know, like we were watching Bennett Peters.

984
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 3: I was like, I close for her, and then I

985
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: was like, that was the same year I opened for

986
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 3: Liza Minelli. Like all these other cool things that are

987
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 3: like moments that make make everything so much better and

988
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: you've got to hang on to them and you I

989
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: never finished saying, but like I was when I was

990
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 3: talking to my niece the other day and she'd been

991
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 3: having a hard time and I was like, she's like,

992
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: how are you going. I was like, oh, she's like

993
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 3: that You've recorded a Christmas album and it's done, it's

994
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 3: coming out.

995
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 4: I said yeah, and she's like that's huge, and I

996
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 4: was like, yes it is.

997
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 3: I was like, but I forget because it was, you know,

998
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: I put so much work into it. But I think

999
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 3: sometimes when you're doing it yourself and you're you know,

1000
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 3: taking money out of your mortgage and playing to musicians

1001
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 3: and you just never know what's going to happen with

1002
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 3: music these days, without having a huge label behind you

1003
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 3: and you're doing yourself, it's sort of like are you

1004
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 3: I'd grown to expect nothing from it.

1005
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 4: But then again, you never know you.

1006
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: And you're doing even though you've got all those feelings,

1007
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: you're still doing the thing. So I could talk to

1008
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: you all day long, but I have to ask you

1009
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: to someone that's listening to this, an actor or a

1010
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: creative singer writer, and they've had a couple of rejections,

1011
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: what is your advice for those days where you just

1012
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: don't really want to get out of bed or you

1013
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: like it all feels it just feels like everything's stacked against.

1014
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 3: You with rejection. For me, for the most part, and

1015
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 3: it is the best and probably the healthiest way to

1016
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 3: look at it, is someone else is getting that role

1017
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 3: and hopefully, I mean, you know, it's it's always pain

1018
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 3: in the bum when you get rejection and you look

1019
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 3: and you see that it's the same person that always.

1020
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 4: Gets the role against you, which has happened to me

1021
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 4: if you jo.

1022
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 3: And they're completely wrong for it, but completely that was

1023
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 3: a mistake. And then the movie comes out it's a flop,

1024
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 3: and you go to say, but for the most part,

1025
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 3: it's going to someone that needed that role, and that

1026
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 3: your role is still sitting there waya for you.

1027
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 2: So it's like trust, well, yeah.

1028
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 3: And also you know you didn't get the role, but

1029
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 3: someone else is rejoicing and they got it, and that

1030
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: could be the break that they needed. It's like when

1031
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 3: you've got money in your pocket and you lose you while,

1032
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 3: or like you drop fifty bucks.

1033
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 4: And you're like, oh, and then you think, but someone

1034
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 4: picked that up? Who really needed that fifty bucks?

1035
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: You, my friend, were a true cancerrian to have that answer,

1036
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: and you're such a care and.

1037
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 3: I just don't think about the people that you know

1038
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 3: that really really needed it, maybe just a little bit

1039
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 3: more than me and and even you know in the

1040
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 3: down times or like it's been a bit of a

1041
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 3: try spell and that sort of thing.

1042
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 4: But you latch on to the affirmative totally.

1043
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: You have to.

1044
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 3: Eliminate the negative, latch on to the affirmative and don't

1045
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 3: mess with mystery in between.

1046
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 4: Accentuate the positive.

1047
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: But I do like, even with these little shows and

1048
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: things that are coming up, because you know, it's a

1049
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 3: few more shows than I had last year, I will

1050
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 3: get paid for them.

1051
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 2: You're doing something you love.

1052
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 3: I'm doing roles that I love, and you just you've

1053
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 3: got to just momentum.

1054
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: I think like when you're doing more of what you love,

1055
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: like as esoteric, because this might sound it brings in

1056
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: more of that energy like the like.

1057
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 3: I also think it's really important to not discriminate against

1058
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 3: roles as well so much, which you know can be

1059
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 3: really tricky. I know there was a role recently that

1060
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 3: I was asked to audition for that did not peel right,

1061
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 3: and it was really hard for me to sort of say,

1062
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 3: I don't think I should do this because it wasn't

1063
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 3: just the character with the show, and it was a

1064
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 3: big commitment in Australia if I got it and this

1065
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 3: sort of thing. But my gut was telling me to

1066
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 3: hold out on that one. And that was a tough

1067
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 3: conversation because it was like my agent's, well, you were

1068
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 3: saying you need auditions and all this thing this is

1069
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 3: and it was tough because I do. I do think

1070
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 3: to not discriminate against roles because I believe that work

1071
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 3: leads to more work and that's always been the case

1072
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 3: for me, Like working with people, you work with someone

1073
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 3: even if you you know it might be the sound

1074
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 3: person who goes onto another film and they're like, I

1075
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 3: loved working with this actor.

1076
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 4: He would be great. Yeah, And that's how a lot

1077
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 4: of my.

1078
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 3: Work has happened through cruise and people like that, and

1079
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 3: or you know, people that were associated with it, or

1080
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: a director that really like you that wants to work

1081
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 3: with you again.

1082
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: That's such good advice.

1083
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: I've had someone on here say, talent gets you in

1084
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: the door, but like your kindness and how easy you

1085
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: are to work with, and.

1086
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 3: Your and your attitude, vulnerability, and your your ability to

1087
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 3: be grateful to be there, Like I am eternally grateful

1088
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 3: for any opportunity I have to work, like.

1089
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 4: I really am.

1090
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 3: I still get nervous, I get scared, I get excited.

1091
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 3: I mean I always have to remind myself that nervous

1092
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 3: energy is excited.

1093
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you.

1094
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 4: Can turn it around.

1095
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 3: Like I'm just so thrilled when people just want to

1096
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 3: see me or have me in the job or anything

1097
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 3: like that.

1098
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 4: It's just so exciting.

1099
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 3: And I think that that can get you a long

1100
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 3: long way, because I've worked with a lot of actors

1101
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 3: that don't have that. And do you have a different

1102
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 3: view of what they're doing and what they should be

1103
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 3: doing that sort of thing, just go, well you're doing this?

1104
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: I just yeah, yeah, come on, how lucky a week?

1105
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 4: How lucky can you get you're doing what you.

1106
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 2: Love exactly, Hugh Sheridan. I could talk to you till

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Speaker 2: the cows come home, I said earlier. No, honestly, you.

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Speaker 4: If you're just turning in your earies, you shared and

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Speaker 4: Lulla Berry and Margaret Throsby. This is ABC will be

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Speaker 4: back after a short.

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Speaker 1: Break, so for the listener, they can hear your Christmas

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Speaker 1: album The Merriest right.

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Speaker 2: Now on Spotify.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to have it in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: And also when and winners Tikic Boom happening.

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Speaker 3: Boom performances on the first of.

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Speaker 2: Mayor not far away.

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Speaker 6: They can't in France, and Yeah into the Woods later

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Speaker 6: on Amazing California Creamer's Club is happening at the Fringe.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to pop it a roll in the show notes.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the dates I.

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Speaker 2: Want everyone to stuff. I cannot wait.

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Speaker 1: You've got a fan in me, so I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to see what is next for you, my friend.

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Speaker 4: You got a fan in me.

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Speaker 1: That is the perfect ending to this pod. Thank you

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Speaker 1: you sharing, You're wonderful.

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Speaker 2: That It's a.

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Speaker 1: Wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing.

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Speaker 2: As always, thank.

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Speaker 1: You to our guests and let's continue the conversation on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: I'm at Yamo Lollerberry. This potty my.

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Speaker 1: Work for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd

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