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Speaker 1: It is just on twenty two minutes away from ten o'clock. Now,

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Speaker 1: the new legislation being introduced to Parliament today is aimed

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Speaker 1: to give Northern Territory police more powers to arrest those

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Speaker 1: who breach parole and to enforce compliance of domestic violence orders.

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Speaker 1: Under the proposed changes, police will have well, they'll have

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Speaker 1: to talk a little bit more about these changes is

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Speaker 1: the president of the Northern Territory Police Association, Nathan Finn.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Finny, Good morning Katie, Good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you in the studio. Now, tell me

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Speaker 1: how exactly are these changes going to work for someone

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Speaker 1: who's breached parole from your perspective.

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Speaker 2: From our perspective, we haven't been fully consulted with in

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Speaker 2: relation to these powers that have been being introduced today

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Speaker 2: to Parliament. There is a period of time which will

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Speaker 2: opportunity from external stakeholder to provide that support as well

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Speaker 2: or supporter otherwise. I'm not saying that everyone has to

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Speaker 2: support that, but any police powers and any ability and

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Speaker 2: legislation changes to assist our hard working police in the

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Speaker 2: field is also supported by the Northern Territory Police Association

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Speaker 2: and members need that support. So in the case of

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Speaker 2: the parole legislation, where we can enter into a premisst

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Speaker 1: So talk us through from your understanding, noting that they've

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Speaker 1: will be further discussion about it today, how exactly is

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Speaker 2: So what we can currently do is we're not allowed

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Speaker 1: And so from your perspective, why is it necessary and

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Speaker 2: It enables our police to do the work that they

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Speaker 2: we're looking for offenders that are actually been placed on

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Speaker 2: The police need to enforce that. I CA so if

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Speaker 1: And I guess, like, correct me if I'm wrong, but

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Speaker 2: The extension of the domestic violence changes as well, and

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Speaker 1: So that's the other part of this, right Like, the

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Speaker 1: So I know the government have said that police have

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Speaker 2: Issue is we cannot go and even check in the

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Speaker 2: We make no apologies their offenders. At the end of

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Speaker 2: So, depending on the conditions of the parole or conditions

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Speaker 2: There's other consequences, definitely. Caddy for prior is they're usually

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Speaker 1: Now if any I guess the big question here, and

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Speaker 2: I'd love to say we have, but we haven't. We're

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Speaker 2: We need to get back to that proactive police base

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Speaker 1: So one hundred and eleven.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot, and is it expected to be.

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Speaker 2: Over and above that, there's a lack of professional development

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, these ones weren't pushed by the NTPA, where

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Speaker 2: the other legislation changes were that we've seen prior to

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Speaker 2: And I encourage the government to continue to do that

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Speaker 1: Just a quick one, mate, how are those what Charles

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Speaker 2: again a lot of the pressures are being placed on

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Speaker 1: And is the Catherine wat Chase still being fully fully

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Speaker 1: Look, it's a big job, and I know that it's

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Speaker 1: for our Northern Territory Police and also for our correctional

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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of discussions in that correction space

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Speaker 1: you know that there's a lot of work happening. Police

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Speaker 1: are doing their job, Corrections are doing their job. It's

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Speaker 1: a tough job. But the community I think you know,

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Speaker 1: I won't speak for everybody. I'm sure they'll message through,

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Speaker 2: If they never agree with it, I'm sure they'll take you.

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Speaker 2: They're pretty quick to tell me when I say something

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Speaker 2: wrong as well. I assure you, but it is it

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Speaker 2: is a hard job, and I feel for Corrections guys

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Speaker 2: the numbers that they've got in there and these changes

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Speaker 2: that are coming into legislation for them. It will assist

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Speaker 2: for them as well, because if that was proposed on

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Speaker 2: the police force, you hear us, you'd hear us very

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Speaker 2: really yep and quite concerned for our staff and make

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Speaker 2: sure our membership and our experience days in that police force.

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Speaker 2: But we can't think our police force enough for what

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Speaker 2: they do. And they've come and and beyond given the

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Speaker 2: pressures over the last few years, and we can stend

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Speaker 2: that for the six or seven years through COVID period

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Speaker 2: do the job. So I take my hat off to

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Speaker 2: them and I'm there to back them every day of

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Speaker 2: the week.

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Speaker 1: Well, Nathan Finn, President of the Northern Territory Police Association.

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Speaker 1: Always good to catch up with you. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure, Katie. Thank you for having