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Speaker 1: Well, today is the first day of parliament for the

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Speaker 1: legislation around alcohol restrictions following that mounting pressure around the

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Speaker 1: parliamentary sittings this week. Now joining me on the line

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Speaker 1: is the Opposition leader Lea fanocchi Aroh Hi.

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Speaker 2: Leah, good morning Katie to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, we were expecting the government to brief the opposition

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Speaker 1: late yesterday, but the Opposition whip Josh Bergoin made the

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Speaker 1: announcement that the COLP is going to be introducing well

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Speaker 1: your own legislation giving police greater powers in response to

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Speaker 1: alcohol related crime.

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Speaker 3: Leah, Firstly, what exactly is the CLP proposing?

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Speaker 2: So we've recognized for a long time that the Labor

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Speaker 2: government has been disempowering our police, whether it's with youth crime,

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Speaker 2: criminal responsibility. They've also a range of powers that police

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Speaker 2: used to have in being able to deal with troublemakers

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Speaker 2: to themselves and to the community. And part of our platform, Katie,

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Speaker 2: is about empowering our police and so recognizing the terrible

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Speaker 2: harm that alcohol is causing and the destruction it's causing.

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Speaker 2: We said about last year to prepare legislation to give

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Speaker 2: power to police to be able to deal with problem drunks,

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Speaker 2: and so we will introduce that legislation tomorrow afternoon and

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Speaker 2: that is missing from their legislation that they're proposing to

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Speaker 2: territories are desperately crying out.

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Speaker 1: Leah explain to us, how is it going to give

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Speaker 2: So what Labor did is remove the ability for police

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Speaker 2: to arrest problem alcoholics, to ask for their license, to

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Speaker 2: question them, and to move people on. Basically, Labor restricted

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Speaker 1: I argue that they didn't. They'll always say the two

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Speaker 2: Yes, effectively, effectively, so they argue whatever they want to argue, Katie.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's buying what government are selling at

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Speaker 2: the moment. So essentially police have been reduced to being

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Speaker 2: able to tip out grog. We want to give them

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Speaker 2: drinking right across the territory is leading to increases in

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Speaker 2: It's not okay for people to be you know, drinking

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Speaker 1: So from what you're saying, police currently cannot arrest somebody

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct. So currently police, under the changes that

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Speaker 2: tip out the grog. We're proposing a raft of changes

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Speaker 2: so we would do that on Wednesday, of course, just.

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Speaker 1: Very quickly, what are some of those just very quickly,

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Speaker 1: what are some of those measures in that the police

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Speaker 2: So police would be able to ask people for their

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Speaker 3: They can't currently do that.

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Speaker 1: They can't currently check someone's license, they can't currently you know,

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Speaker 2: So police are alwed to speak to people, of course,

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Speaker 1: All right, So with this legislation today or tomorrow, it's

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Speaker 2: So we are very restricted in Parliament, Katie, as your

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Speaker 2: that will require some negotiation. The Independence and Opposition have

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Speaker 3: Need to be done the scene.

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Speaker 2: No, that's wrong, but yeah, but ulimately all legislation really

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Speaker 1: Yes, So just on that, we know that the Chief Minister,

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Speaker 2: Yes, so Government did offer the briefing. We're attending this

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Speaker 2: so we will attend that briefing. I've read the legislation,

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Speaker 2: Katie already have many questions for the Government about it.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's as comprehensive as they promise, and

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Speaker 2: it actually is a return of stronger futures, which of

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Speaker 2: it's very very so.

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Speaker 3: That's not in the legislation.

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Speaker 1: There's like, there's not a part in there that the

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Speaker 1: you know, that the Australian Electoral Commission or that the

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely not, and of course that's what we were all.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Government certainly gave that impression. All is

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Speaker 2: it's completely none of that is covered off in this legislation.

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Speaker 2: And so it seems that our concerns right from the

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Speaker 2: So are there a lot of questions?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Are there any other major concerns that we should

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Speaker 1: seems odd to me that that briefings only happening today,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly, but it's important that the whole CLP team

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Speaker 2: are at the briefing Katie, And ultimately my understanding is

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Speaker 2: We've read the legislation and so that gives us an opportunity.

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Speaker 2: We read it yesterday, which means today we can ask

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Speaker 1: And so no other concerns at this point. Obviously you've

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Speaker 2: Read, Yes, So one other concern I have, we obviously

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Speaker 2: I'll certainly be asking questions around why the general restricted

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Speaker 1: So what did what would be a general restricted area

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Speaker 2: So, prior to stronger futures, there were general restricts, so

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Speaker 1: I know that your press for time as am I

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Speaker 1: of no confidence in the government over what you say

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Speaker 1: is a failure to do the very basics of government,

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Speaker 1: and that is keep the community safe. Leah, what's been

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Speaker 2: Well. I ran into Joel Bowden and Alice Springs on Friday,

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Speaker 2: Katie and I said, Joel, if you really care about

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Speaker 2: come on board with this motion. So I'm yet to

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Speaker 2: I met with the Independence yesterday and this is something

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Speaker 2: introduce it tomorrow. It will have to wait until March

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Speaker 2: unfortunately for that debate to happen, and we certainly hope

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Speaker 2: government are going to allow the debate. The last thing

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Speaker 1: Likelihood of it getting across the line, you know, it

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Speaker 2: Well, that is a fantastic question and I can explain

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Speaker 2: that very simply. We have made attempts to center this

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Speaker 2: last year. We did it multiple times, Katie. And this

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Speaker 2: they shut it down before a word even leaves my mouth.

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Speaker 2: It is a disgusting way in which they control the

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Speaker 2: Parliament and operate like a dictatorship. So we are doing

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Speaker 2: this the proper way. This is the most serious motion

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Speaker 2: we can bring to the Parliament. It reflects the serious

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Speaker 2: call for territories that they've had enough and that this

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Speaker 2: government is failing to govern and be able to do

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Speaker 2: the very basics of what a government should do.

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Speaker 3: So clea if.

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Speaker 1: I mean if this passed, and it is a massive if,

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Speaker 1: what are the next steps because the reality is that really,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't the government then need to be wouldn't the administrator

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Speaker 1: Or would you need to form a minority government with

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Speaker 3: Like, what are the next steps? And have you thought

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Speaker 3: that far ahead?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, Katie. So what would then happen is the

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Speaker 2: The administrator would then have to work out whether or

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Speaker 2: not the colp was able to form a government, or

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Speaker 2: whether or not a general election should be called. And

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Speaker 2: we would certainly be pushing that a general election is called.

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Speaker 2: We think it's important that Territorians decide their next government

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Speaker 3: Leah, is this just dog whistling?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not, Katie. I can't tell you how many people

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Speaker 2: this government. The fact that Territorians used to look forward

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Speaker 2: every single day. Is an unsustainable way to live our lives.

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Speaker 2: The destruction, the crime, the economic free fall, the debt,

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Speaker 2: the health crisis, education crisis, police crisis. It is too

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Speaker 2: much for anyone to bear. This government has shown through

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Speaker 2: cannot do the basics, and as a COLP opposition, we

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Speaker 3: Get what you're trying to do here.

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Speaker 1: I certainly understand what you're trying to do here, but

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Speaker 3: It voted for.

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Speaker 2: Them, and that was two years ago, Katie, and.

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Speaker 3: Usually we have to wait four years.

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Speaker 2: Well that's right, and we know we may have to

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Speaker 2: every day wanting to make the Northern Territory a better place.

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Speaker 2: And ultimately my team can't sit by and watch Labor

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Speaker 2: fight every single day for Territorians and make sure that

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Speaker 2: we're holding this terrible Labor government the highest standard of

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go, Labor obviously announced yesterday that

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Speaker 1: they've got the ALP candidate for a Referra. Has the

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Speaker 1: COLP found a candidate for the seat of a Refuerra.

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Speaker 2: So my understanding is a COLP are going through that

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Speaker 2: process and that we've had really fantastic applicants and feedback

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Speaker 2: on that. We've been very conscious of the cultural considerations

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Speaker 2: very mindful of people's you know, consideration of that and

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Speaker 2: I really look forward to the outcome. I look forward

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Speaker 2: to working with whomever is pre selected by the party

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Speaker 3: So where will we know? When will we know who

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Speaker 3: the candidate's going to be for the CLP.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the time frame, Katie. That's a better

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Speaker 2: question put to the party, but I'm sure it will

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Speaker 2: be I'm sure it will be seen.

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Speaker 1: Leah Finocchiara, good to speak to you this morning. Always

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time. We'll chat to you again soon.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Take care, thank you,