1
00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,680
Speaker 1: And joining me in the studio right now is the

2
00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,280
Speaker 1: member for Blaine, Mark Turner.

3
00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:05,480
Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Mark.

4
00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:06,320
Speaker 3: Good morning Katie.

5
00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:07,680
Speaker 2: Now, good to have you in the studio.

6
00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,920
Speaker 1: I was I was going to ask you firstly, and

7
00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,040
Speaker 1: I will in just a moment about this situation that

8
00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,040
Speaker 1: unfolded over the weekend before we get to that. Though

9
00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,000
Speaker 1: you are indeed a former police officer. We were just

10
00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,759
Speaker 1: talking about these trespass notices and how exactly they're going

11
00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,560
Speaker 1: to work, and Jay had messaged through questioning how exactly

12
00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,240
Speaker 1: can you issue a trespass notice if you don't have

13
00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,120
Speaker 1: the person's details, if they refuse to give you their details.

14
00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,040
Speaker 2: Have you got a bit further insight into that?

15
00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,479
Speaker 3: I can certainly give you an example.

16
00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,800
Speaker 4: If it was a security provider, let's say it with

17
00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,000
Speaker 4: somebody at my Electra office. We haven't had to do

18
00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,000
Speaker 4: it yet, then we'd be looking at getting the CCTV,

19
00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,120
Speaker 4: writing a statement with as much detail as possible about them,

20
00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,600
Speaker 4: putting the stills from the CCTV on that trespass notice,

21
00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,920
Speaker 4: as well as the details of serving it, so that

22
00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,240
Speaker 4: when they came back we could give that information to

23
00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,400
Speaker 4: police and say this was when they were trespassed, how

24
00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:06,960
Speaker 4: they were trespassed.

25
00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,160
Speaker 3: And this is the identifying information of who they are.

26
00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,920
Speaker 1: How successful do you reckon it's going to be this

27
00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,600
Speaker 1: change with the trespass notices.

28
00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,400
Speaker 4: It's like you mentioned when you were talking about it,

29
00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,679
Speaker 4: it's we have all these offenses with fine provisions, but

30
00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,840
Speaker 4: you can see from the register of unpaid fines that

31
00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,760
Speaker 4: they're just not paid. And whilst we don't have warrants

32
00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,559
Speaker 4: of commitment people on getting put in prison for unpaid fines,

33
00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,959
Speaker 4: we don't have any space in the prison. Ye, it's

34
00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,839
Speaker 4: a stopgap measure. And the other thing with the trespass

35
00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,880
Speaker 4: notices is you think most of the time people are trespassed,

36
00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:47,640
Speaker 4: it's for being disorderly or violent disorder under the Summary

37
00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,160
Speaker 4: Offenses Act anyway, which are both arrestable offenses.

38
00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,280
Speaker 1: So realistically, I mean, if they're breaking the law, they

39
00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:54,880
Speaker 1: should be arrested anyhow.

40
00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you would expect me to say that I'm

41
00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:57,680
Speaker 3: a former cop.

42
00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well this is the thing speaking of we

43
00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,960
Speaker 1: know that. Well, you had to switch back your roles

44
00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,200
Speaker 1: over the weekend helping arrest a young man acting erratically

45
00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,560
Speaker 1: and dangerously at a service station.

46
00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,200
Speaker 2: So what exactly happened over the weekends.

47
00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:20,160
Speaker 4: The Andy from Neptune's Public Order Response Unit invited me

48
00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,239
Speaker 4: out on Friday night just to see what services they're

49
00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,240
Speaker 4: providing for our community. Obviously there's been the media that

50
00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:28,920
Speaker 4: they're out in Karma and Myra.

51
00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,680
Speaker 3: Put my turn back in Karma and Malac sit till.

52
00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,040
Speaker 4: I don't go to the northern suburbs very often, and

53
00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,160
Speaker 4: they've been in the Palmerston CBD. I'm very keen to

54
00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:40,880
Speaker 4: get them in our electorate as well, because it means

55
00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,480
Speaker 4: I won't have to walk the streets at three am.

56
00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,600
Speaker 4: We were driving back into Palmerston just shortly after midnight

57
00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:54,280
Speaker 4: and we've seen this chap waving a fuel hose around

58
00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,800
Speaker 4: done the U boat gone in there, A couple of

59
00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,079
Speaker 4: members of public of out what fuel bowser he was

60
00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,680
Speaker 4: hiding behind. So we've had to go and deal with it.

61
00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,120
Speaker 1: Goodness me and I mean, he must have been quite

62
00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,880
Speaker 1: concerned to be doing a U turn. To go back

63
00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,480
Speaker 1: in there and see him with this fuel bowser, I mean,

64
00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,600
Speaker 1: were you worried that he was going to do something

65
00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:19,639
Speaker 1: even more dangerous.

66
00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,760
Speaker 4: The first thing I said to Andy as we drove

67
00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,160
Speaker 4: in was be careful. We've seen the flickering of lighters

68
00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:32,079
Speaker 4: as we'd gone past, and I remember from West Australia,

69
00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,639
Speaker 4: I think it was Maddington. We had the big serve

70
00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,600
Speaker 4: of explosion over there, and we've just had that tragedy

71
00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:45,640
Speaker 4: over in Ireland when the vaporing knights nights. But he

72
00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:46,600
Speaker 4: needed dealing.

73
00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,000
Speaker 2: With, yeah, and so what exactly did you do?

74
00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,320
Speaker 3: We've tried to engage with him. Ultimately, I don't.

75
00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,280
Speaker 4: Know whether he was affected by a mix of alcohol

76
00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:03,119
Speaker 4: and the fuel or both most likely, but we've had

77
00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:09,200
Speaker 4: to detain him, unfortunately, until police arrived.

78
00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:14,400
Speaker 3: So it was very fortunate that I had Andy with me.

79
00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think one of the most difficult things

80
00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,440
Speaker 4: was they'd been allegedly been an instant beforehand, so the

81
00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,359
Speaker 4: doors of the servoy were all smashed up locked, the

82
00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,440
Speaker 4: staff were inside on the phone to police, so it

83
00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,120
Speaker 4: was just Andy and I on the fore court with

84
00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,600
Speaker 4: a sweaty, fuel covered chap, trying to make the best

85
00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:39,480
Speaker 4: of a bad situation.

86
00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,359
Speaker 1: Were you worried that it was going to sort of

87
00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,599
Speaker 1: escalate in any way and were you worried about the

88
00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:44,600
Speaker 1: safety of other people?

89
00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,400
Speaker 4: Well, what worried me was if if we didn't deal

90
00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,960
Speaker 4: with it, then it was going to go bad. I

91
00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,280
Speaker 4: was reasonably confident and he's been doing this a long

92
00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:02,000
Speaker 4: time as if I between the two of us, we

93
00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,760
Speaker 4: were going to be able to deal with it. It's

94
00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:13,120
Speaker 4: just another situation though where and again is there but

95
00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:19,640
Speaker 4: for the grace of God. Well, we need more resources.

96
00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,600
Speaker 4: And if it's the public order responseing it, that's great.

97
00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,000
Speaker 3: But that's what fills.

98
00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,800
Speaker 4: Me with terror even thinking about it, because we were

99
00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,719
Speaker 4: there for about I think about an hour before police arrived,

100
00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,400
Speaker 4: and it's what could have happened that worries me.

101
00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you and I have spoken a lot about

102
00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:42,680
Speaker 1: various issues within the Northern Territory Police Force and do

103
00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,200
Speaker 1: you think that we need more police.

104
00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,480
Speaker 4: We don't need more police. I think this is fundamentally

105
00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,960
Speaker 4: where the CLP and I differ. We've got more police

106
00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,520
Speaker 4: head of population than anywhere else in the country. The

107
00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,400
Speaker 4: Northern Territory taxpayer is paying more per person than anyone

108
00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,120
Speaker 4: else in the country. We've just got lots of hurt

109
00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,440
Speaker 4: and broken police because we're not looking after them properly.

110
00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,560
Speaker 4: If we looked after them properly and we worked smart,

111
00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,960
Speaker 4: not hard, then we'd know where they are.

112
00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,920
Speaker 1: Do you think that we're working smart, not hard when

113
00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,479
Speaker 1: it comes to raising the age of criminal responsibility. What

114
00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:17,680
Speaker 1: do you think about that change?

115
00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,040
Speaker 3: And is a pivot and a half?

116
00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:20,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think that's.

117
00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,120
Speaker 1: Going to mean then for our officers? Because I think

118
00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,440
Speaker 1: that the whole point at the moment is that a

119
00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,080
Speaker 1: lot of police officers morale is low. I know you've

120
00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,560
Speaker 1: spoken about it before, I've spoken about it before, We've

121
00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,839
Speaker 1: seen it through the Police Association survey. How do you

122
00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,040
Speaker 1: think changes like that then sort of impact our officers

123
00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:36,640
Speaker 1: on the ground.

124
00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,320
Speaker 4: The problem with these changes, especially when you frame them

125
00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,360
Speaker 4: around the conversation around police morale, is that they're devastating.

126
00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,760
Speaker 4: The police want to be able to help our community.

127
00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,320
Speaker 4: That's the reason that they go to work every day.

128
00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,599
Speaker 4: It's one of those vacations like nursing. You don't do

129
00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,200
Speaker 4: it for the money. So when you feel that's being

130
00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,320
Speaker 4: ripped out from underneath you, you question why you're doing

131
00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,880
Speaker 4: it in the first place. You need to be able

132
00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,000
Speaker 4: to see and this is why I would assume the

133
00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,880
Speaker 4: Northern Territory Police Association put out the quotes that they did.

134
00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,680
Speaker 4: They need to be able to see the alternative, and

135
00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,320
Speaker 4: at the moment they just don't. I haven't had a

136
00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,920
Speaker 4: briefing on it yet. I can see that there's other

137
00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,560
Speaker 4: ways around this. There are powers that can be used

138
00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,440
Speaker 4: under the Care and Protection Children Act. There's certainly different

139
00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,520
Speaker 4: things that can be done, and I can see the

140
00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,560
Speaker 4: thinking of the government, but certainly from talking to your

141
00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,760
Speaker 4: rank and file police, it's not being communicated to them.

142
00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,120
Speaker 2: And so do you support it? As a member of Parliament.

143
00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:50,400
Speaker 4: I definitely support the raising the age of criminal responsibility.

144
00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,400
Speaker 4: Putting kids in prison doesn't work. And when I'm talking

145
00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,120
Speaker 4: to my elector, I just go back to Dondale twenty fifteen,

146
00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,600
Speaker 4: ramming back in to Dondale, not ramming out of it,

147
00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,560
Speaker 4: ramming back into it. If it worked, they wouldn't be

148
00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:16,200
Speaker 4: ramming back into Dondale. It's an institutionalized crime academy that

149
00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,360
Speaker 4: we need to deal with the problem before it becomes

150
00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,120
Speaker 4: a problem. And that's why I'm so angry about the

151
00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,920
Speaker 4: failure of things like Strikeforce Oryan which should have been

152
00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:30,320
Speaker 4: the crown Jewels in the Territory, Labour's government's armory to

153
00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,800
Speaker 4: prevent things like this happening. And is said is just

154
00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,120
Speaker 4: two police officers doing their very level best, but they've

155
00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:37,920
Speaker 4: got no resources or no funding.

156
00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,400
Speaker 1: There is so much that we could continue to discuss.

157
00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,559
Speaker 1: Unfortunately we're out of time. Mark Turner, the member for Blaine,

158
00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,120
Speaker 1: Good on you obviously over the weekend. To you and

159
00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,120
Speaker 1: Dandy Price de escalating that situation, it sounds like a

160
00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,440
Speaker 1: pretty frightening one. Thanks very much for coming in this

161
00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:53,440
Speaker 1: morning to talk about it.

162
00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:54,960
Speaker 3: Thank you, Katie, thank you