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Speaker 1: But let's get straight into it because there is so

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Speaker 1: the line from Canberra is the Opposition leader Selena Ubo.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Selena.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katy, and good morning to your listener.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show now, Selena. What's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, I've been in Canberra since Sunday evening and

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Speaker 1: And look, one of those areas where there has been

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Speaker 2: Yes, Katie I met with Federal Minister for Health Mark

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Speaker 2: That I'm aware of at this point. Katie. Obviously Luke's

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Speaker 1: So in terms of then our maternity services, because again

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Speaker 1: Now, Selena. Obviously, yesterday we heard from the Chief Minister

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Speaker 1: Selena, I know that when it comes to crime, you

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Speaker 2: about making the territory a better place, it's about having

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Speaker 2: an economic plan and so far we're seeing the favors

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Speaker 2: of the CLP on this front, so we want to

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Speaker 2: keep doing that job. We understand the criticism. I completely

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Speaker 2: understand and acknowledge the criticism made of Labor and our

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Speaker 2: team and our former government. But our job now, Katie,

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Speaker 2: is to make sure the CLP deliver on what they

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Speaker 2: promised territories, because that's what they deserve, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Opposition leader Selina Jubo. We'll let you go. I

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Speaker 1: know you've got to get to other meetings in Canberra

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Speaker 1: this morning. Appreciate you still having a chat to us

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Speaker 1: while you're away.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Katie really appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks so much.