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Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda gam Nation.

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Speaker 2: On May seven, that's tomorrow, the election of the two

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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty seventh Catholic Pope will begin. The process

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Speaker 2: is known as a conclave. But how does it work?

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Speaker 2: Who selects the new Pope? Who are the front runners?

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Speaker 2: To help us understand it all is someone who knows

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Speaker 2: this stuff inside out? Professor Joel Hodge from the Australian

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Speaker 2: Catholic University.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Joel, Hi, morning, Professor morning, Can I ask question

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Speaker 3: number one? Why do they build a new chimney each time?

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Speaker 3: I thought they just have the same chimney.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think they have to repair it. They have

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Speaker 1: to make sure it does its job. So everyone's got

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Speaker 1: their eyes fixated on it. It goes black or white,

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Speaker 1: of course, depending on whether they elect a pope. If

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Speaker 1: they get to the two thirds majority, it goes white

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Speaker 1: and everyone's excited, but it's black until they until they

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Speaker 1: get to that point.

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Speaker 2: I would have thought that with Donald Trump throwing his

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Speaker 2: hat into the ring, the orange smoke might be getting

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Speaker 2: a look in.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll be that caused quite astir that that image

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Speaker 1: of him as pope, and a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of Catholics, including those I think who voted for him,

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Speaker 1: we're not happy with that image. I mean, he has

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Speaker 1: tried to come out and say, you know, it was

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Speaker 1: a lighthearted thing and all that, and of course Catholics

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Speaker 1: don't want to joke, but I think, yeah, you have

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Speaker 1: to be careful. At this time, Pope France is just

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Speaker 1: having died, and you know, there's a lot of sensitivities

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Speaker 1: and mourning going on, and of course, of.

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Speaker 2: Course, so can you talk us through the process. Is

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Speaker 2: there a lot of political jostling? Does each potential pope

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Speaker 2: have their own lobbyists? How what actually happens behind the

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Speaker 2: scenes now.

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Speaker 1: Well, at the moment, they're having what's called general congregations,

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Speaker 1: so they're all the cardinals, including those who are over eighty.

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Speaker 1: The ones over eighty can't vote, but they can participate

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Speaker 1: in these initial discussions before the conclave actually begins tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: and they're discussing various things. The Vatican has put out

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Speaker 1: statements about some of the topics that the cardinals have

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Speaker 1: talked about. It's a chance for all the cardinals to

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Speaker 1: talk about different things that they're concerned with. So they've

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Speaker 1: talked about things about, you know, presenting the faith to

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Speaker 1: the world, at this time, the geopolitical situation, the place

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Speaker 1: of the family, all manner of different things that they've

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Speaker 1: been talking about. So they'll do these initial meetings and discussions,

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Speaker 1: and of course they'll be praying together, they'll be talking

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Speaker 1: with each other, getting to know each other. It's a

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Speaker 1: very global group. It's probably the most global group we've

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Speaker 1: ever had. Pope Francis increase the number of representatives from

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Speaker 1: Africa and Asia, so a lot of cardinals are from

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Speaker 1: countries that have never had representation before, including some of

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Speaker 1: our own region like East Team or never had a

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Speaker 1: cardinal elector before. And then tomorrow the cardinal electors one

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty three who are there in Rome will

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Speaker 1: go into the Sistine Chapel and into their accommodation nearby,

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Speaker 1: and they will be cut off from the outside world

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Speaker 1: so that there's no external influence. Of course, in the

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Speaker 1: past there's been lots of politics around the papal elections,

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Speaker 1: particularly from the kings and queens of Europe, and so

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Speaker 1: they've tried to block that out and ensure that the

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Speaker 1: cardinals are able to pray, talk and have a really

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Speaker 1: deep and meaningful time together. Because they're not just talking

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Speaker 1: with each other. They're talking with God, so they've got

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Speaker 1: to have some silence to do that.

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Speaker 3: And that begs the question. You're a man of religion.

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Speaker 3: You're praying to God, please make me, Please make me pope.

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Speaker 3: But all the other guys are doing it as well.

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Speaker 3: What has God say, come on you guys?

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Speaker 1: Exactly? Well, there is a degree of humility here that's

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Speaker 1: meant to be had. And I think anyone who realizes

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Speaker 1: what the papacy involves, you know, the biggest organization in

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Speaker 1: the world, you could say, with the most amount of people,

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Speaker 1: the longest history. You know, the scale of that task

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Speaker 1: is so intimidating. So I think anyone with half of

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Speaker 1: mind would be intimidated from that and would recoil from it.

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Speaker 1: So I think there does need to be a degree

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Speaker 1: of humility. People won't be canvassing for themselves or anything

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Speaker 1: like that. There's not that kind of politicking going on,

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Speaker 1: but there are discussions about, you know, who is a

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Speaker 1: good leader, who's a good spiritual person, who has these

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Speaker 1: views all that kind of thing. That's natural, but they

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Speaker 1: will be trying to say, you know, who's really the

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Speaker 1: right person at this time.

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Speaker 2: You said earlier, Joel that there were like hundreds of

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Speaker 2: cardinals there, but how many are actually being voted for.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's one hundred and thirty three who are eligible

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Speaker 1: to elect, so they're below eighty and they're of good health.

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Speaker 1: There's two that can't make it because they they're not

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Speaker 1: in good health. And any anyone, any man are baptized,

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Speaker 1: could be elected because you have to be the Bishop

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Speaker 1: of Rome and that's reserved to men at the moment,

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Speaker 1: so anyone they could elect anyone outside or inside the conclave.

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Speaker 1: Usually they elect people within their group because they're the

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Speaker 1: ones that have had the experience and history and they

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Speaker 1: get to know each other and all that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: So there are some leading contenders amongst the cardinals in

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Speaker 1: our own region. Cardinal Taglay is being talked about. He's

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Speaker 1: from the Philippines. Cardinal Parolin, who was the second in

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Speaker 1: charge under Pope Francis, he's Italian. He's being talked about.

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Speaker 1: There's some African cardinals, Cardinal Sarah, Cardinal Turksen that are

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Speaker 1: being talked about as well. So there's a range of

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Speaker 1: different people. But as they say, you go into a

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Speaker 1: conclave of the pope and you come out of cardinal

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Speaker 1: you never know Wow.

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Speaker 3: And an African pipe that would be that would be unprecedented.

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Speaker 1: It would be extraordinary. You know, we've had people from

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Speaker 1: North Africa, but it would be extraordinary at this time

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Speaker 1: because Catholicism has grown so much in Africa. It's really

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Speaker 1: on fire there, and the cardinals and the people from Africa,

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Speaker 1: I think it would just be such an amazing boost

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Speaker 1: to that continent and a great contribution to the Church.

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Speaker 1: So there's some good candidates there, but whether they get

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Speaker 1: the two thirds majority is a question. But a couple

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Speaker 1: of them have had experience in the Vatican. Two Cardinal

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Speaker 1: Turks and Cardinals Sarah both have had experience, so they

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Speaker 1: are people that could do the job.

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Speaker 2: So they go into the conclave tomorrow. When are we

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Speaker 2: likely to see the white smoke?

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Speaker 1: Well, they are talking about the cardinals wanting a short conclave,

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Speaker 1: but who knows. They have three initial days where they

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Speaker 1: do voting and if they haven't got someone by that time,

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Speaker 1: they can have another day of prayer to try to

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Speaker 1: really discern who might be suitable. So hopefully within those

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Speaker 1: first three days, Pope Francis was elected within two days,

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Speaker 1: so fingers crossed. But if that doesn't happen, they'll have

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Speaker 1: to keep keep looking, keep discussing, and try to narrow

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Speaker 1: it down eventually, maybe the two candidates, right, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, look for them down at Bunnings buying some firelighters.

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Speaker 3: They wouldn't use Little Lucifer, so I'd imagine maybe a

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Speaker 3: church approved firelighter would imagine job that was. That's extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, professor, thank you, thank you,