Speaker 1: Flex and Rooms, Flex and Frooms.
Speaker 2: This is the Flex and Frooms catch up podcast.
Speaker 1: Hello, oh yeah, I hate it that. Oh be gentle,
Speaker 1: sound like a music teacher in prep. On today's show,
Speaker 1: Flexi's got a big question. This is a new segment
Speaker 1: that we are encouraging here on the show.
Speaker 2: What's your question, Flexi? What is the worst way someone
Speaker 2: could describe you?
Speaker 3: And of course we're finally getting to the peak of
Speaker 3: our life's purpose.
Speaker 2: We're going to start a cult together.
Speaker 1: Of course, obviously here we go.
Speaker 2: Tech Time, tech time, text time. It's tech time with
Speaker 2: Flex and Frooms on cater put to the next level.
Speaker 3: Stunning ref.
Speaker 2: NPC.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Roses, Roses, you guys are amazing.
Speaker 2: That's a life. That's the like, that's my dad. There's
Speaker 2: my dad. Figure.
Speaker 3: You people are not on NPC. I would advise you
Speaker 3: to get on. If you don't know what that is,
Speaker 3: Google will tell you.
Speaker 1: Ros is.
Speaker 2: Now, what is the tech time for today?
Speaker 3: For me?
Speaker 1: The tech time for today is about a thing called
Speaker 1: worm GPT. We're all across chat debut. We use it
Speaker 1: to write assignments, we use it to draft breakup texts.
Speaker 2: I use it to write my break lease. Oh that's genius.
Speaker 1: When you break in.
Speaker 2: The lease no my last apartment.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank god, I said, you can't leave Melbourne. So
Speaker 1: there is a new thing called worm GPT and it's
Speaker 1: helping online scams get more sophisticated. This is a headline
Speaker 1: for the City Morning Herald. They said online scams are
Speaker 1: about to get more sophisticated than Nigerian Princess.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, did we have to go there? Let through? It's
Speaker 2: a big wompy, but here we are.
Speaker 1: So apparently worm GBT is the evil cousin of chat GPT.
Speaker 1: What it's going to do is help hackers send way
Speaker 1: more tailored hack hacking things to people. So, for example,
Speaker 1: I keep getting oz posts and also toll like messages,
Speaker 1: and I always look at them because we did training.
Speaker 1: It cater to look at what it's like to be phished,
Speaker 1: and if they've got like one character wrong in the hyperlink,
Speaker 1: you don't click it.
Speaker 3: So basically, this worm GPT app is giving hackers a
Speaker 3: way more sophisticated way to scammers by using our data
Speaker 3: to determine which things were most likely to click on exactly.
Speaker 1: And they're built with the ability to imitate writing styles
Speaker 1: and convincingly, Taylor copy from the specific person or entity.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Nice.
Speaker 1: So you get a little message from CommBank Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, I've heard this dial tone before and
Speaker 1: this person sounds extremely.
Speaker 2: Real where you pick up no, but you might.
Speaker 1: Because of worm GPT, these hackers supply the model with
Speaker 1: previous email samples and social media posts to mimic the
Speaker 1: writing style of organizations. They can also obtain images of
Speaker 1: everyday people posted on social media and customize them according
Speaker 1: to the scams context to make the story look even
Speaker 1: more convincing. This allth has gone down the romance route
Speaker 1: and thinks that this will be used for evil when
Speaker 1: it comes to the dating world. And I said, that
Speaker 1: is horrible, and I wanted to know Flexi before the break.
Speaker 1: Would you rather be catfish romantically just short term not
Speaker 1: a long term thing, or have your credit card compromise
Speaker 1: you get the money back. It's just a bit of
Speaker 1: a minor nvenience.
Speaker 2: Not you're doing a census really quickly.
Speaker 3: I'm not giving the scammer is going to take this
Speaker 3: voice break and then send me a voice ramo from
Speaker 3: you and tell me to click a link to our
Speaker 3: later show where we talk about this exact topic.
Speaker 2: What I will say people, I think.
Speaker 3: A lot of us are, despite having these really sophisticated
Speaker 3: technologies come out, a lot of us are forgetting Internet
Speaker 3: literacy one oh one. If you do not recognize the link,
Speaker 3: don't click it. I get a lot of scam text
Speaker 3: from people pretending to be Telstra saying, oh, you.
Speaker 2: Have this build you, you have this build you, you
Speaker 2: have this build you.
Speaker 3: If you ever get a text from a company, go
Speaker 3: to your emails and double check. If it's not in
Speaker 3: your email, then call. Just assume that any message from
Speaker 3: a company is a scam, and just don't click links.
Speaker 3: I don't understand. Stop clicking links.
Speaker 1: I alwaso if you click link on your phone, you
Speaker 1: can't get a virus because virus is only happened to computers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then like no, they put something in your
Speaker 3: phone when you click the link, then scanning your phone
Speaker 3: for all this incriminating information. It's got your auto field stuff.
Speaker 3: So now no, it's your passwords. It's just it's far
Speaker 3: more encrypted than you think it might be. Just err
Speaker 3: on the side of caution. It takes a second not
Speaker 3: to click a link. But in terms of would I
Speaker 3: rather be catfits romantically or financially. I'm gonna pick neither.
Speaker 3: Do you have a preference.
Speaker 1: I'd rather my credit card be gone because I don't
Speaker 1: get the honeyback. I can't handle another another.
Speaker 3: She said, too much. The dating content rights itself. I'm
Speaker 3: so thankful for the people on the internet who overshare
Speaker 3: like they pay to do it, because these first hand
Speaker 3: accounts of every day regular people share their business for
Speaker 3: free so we can talk about it.
Speaker 2: You're doing God's work.
Speaker 3: We have this TikTok from this creator called cellistee.
Speaker 1: But as would you let a man take you out
Speaker 1: on a first date on his birthday?
Speaker 2: His birthday we never met before? Because I want to
Speaker 2: say no, I feel like it's too much. You know it's.
Speaker 3: Honestly, and you know I'm trying to do this thing
Speaker 3: where I keep an open mind. This is not one
Speaker 3: of those occasions. It signals so many wrong things. This
Speaker 3: is the day or the anniversary of you being brought
Speaker 3: into this world and you don't have near a friend
Speaker 3: to celebrate with, near a family member.
Speaker 2: I just don't get it.
Speaker 3: And also my worry if I go down the sinister path,
Speaker 3: what are the expectations he has for you by giving
Speaker 3: you the honor of sharing this grand day with him.
Speaker 2: Facts. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: I do wonder though, maybe they're had like a champagne
Speaker 1: breakfast lunch with the work colleagues, and they just so,
Speaker 1: I've got a bit of time, is fair?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: Birthday sex God Jeremiah? Okay? What a tune?
Speaker 2: REMI does listen to R and B and real On.
Speaker 2: We weren't sure.
Speaker 3: We weren't sure, but she has done a bit of
Speaker 3: research in her time. I think you can do anything,
Speaker 3: you can do whatever you want to. But recently I've
Speaker 3: become really attuned to the fact that people are making
Speaker 3: snap judgment about you constantly, based on what you look like,
Speaker 3: what you say, how you say it, how they respond
Speaker 3: to you, how you make them feel. This one just
Speaker 3: feels like you've already made a snap judgment and it's
Speaker 3: not good. You don't feel celebrated or powerful. It doesn't
Speaker 3: really feel complimentary your offert So don't go. And for
Speaker 3: anyone thinking of organizing a first date for their birthday,
Speaker 3: unless you are a serial loaner or you're doing it
Speaker 3: despite your friends and family, I would advise not to.
Speaker 3: I really would, because also people grow to hate their
Speaker 3: birthdays because they're not sacred with them. How many birthdays
Speaker 3: have you had where partner's made you cry and it's
Speaker 3: ruined it for you? Why is that a universal experience?
Speaker 1: Why is it not good getting mad because you brought
Speaker 1: me a shanza kai and nothing else.
Speaker 2: What time is it for Mia?
Speaker 1: It's time for Flexi's Big Question.
Speaker 3: No, that's the sting. Oh, okay, what time is it?
Speaker 3: Formiana don't speak?
Speaker 1: Oh, ladies and gentlemen, it's time for Flexi's Big Question
Speaker 1: of the week. Okay Andy in the sound booth.
Speaker 3: Okay, actor, let's get right into it. Big question of
Speaker 3: the week. What is the worst way someone can describe you? Oh?
Speaker 1: I hate it? Yeah, right now, you want me to
Speaker 1: tell you?
Speaker 3: I mean we could think about it. Can I bring
Speaker 3: some thought starters to the space.
Speaker 2: Sure. I feel like a lot of us have low.
Speaker 3: Level insecurities, Like there are a few things that really
Speaker 3: make us uncomfortable thinking about, but overall not a big deal.
Speaker 3: Like for me that short stint on Big Brother. I
Speaker 3: got a boring edit, and when I was thinking back,
Speaker 3: I was like, reading this commentary on Twitter, I'm like,
Speaker 3: these people think I'm boring. I'm a lot of things
Speaker 3: but boring. I feel like that hurt my feelings, right,
Speaker 3: I think it would hurt my feelings if somebody said
Speaker 3: that I was selfish. But it's not the worst way
Speaker 3: you can describe me. There are worse ways you could
Speaker 3: say that I am.
Speaker 2: Let me not give anyone any fun.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, walk into the lines. Den.
Speaker 3: What I mean to say is that you can justify
Speaker 3: or rationalize a lot of the low level insecurities you
Speaker 3: have that are just a byproduct of being alive, right, Like,
Speaker 3: it's just like you're being perceived and therefore you feel bad.
Speaker 3: But I think if we knew what our big one was,
Speaker 3: like the jackhammer achilles Heel, knife into the stern and
Speaker 3: break my heart, then the other ones would feel so
Speaker 3: pale in comparison, and it.
Speaker 1: Would then make it easier to rationalize them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, cool, Like you think this thing about me,
Speaker 2: but you don't know. You don't know the big whopper?
Speaker 2: Do you need the hidden No? I think you just
Speaker 2: know it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I know it.
Speaker 2: I think we should find out.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So the reason why I'm asking is because I think
Speaker 3: a lot of people fall back on like the ambiguity
Speaker 3: of like, we all have insecurities.
Speaker 2: What's yours? Yeah, what's yours about yourself? What's yours?
Speaker 3: Because you're you're talking about minor we all, That's not
Speaker 3: the one I'm focused on right I'm focused on the
Speaker 3: one that makes you question your value as a person.
Speaker 3: And maybe it's not even been said to you before.
Speaker 3: If you want to jump on our Instagram right now,
Speaker 3: it's Lex and Rooms. We've actually put up a question.
Speaker 2: Box with this.
Speaker 3: We want all of your answers. Don't waste our time
Speaker 3: with the low levels. I need to know what is
Speaker 3: the worst way someone can describe you? Because on Thursday
Speaker 3: we're going to share all the answers we've collated. We're
Speaker 3: going to dig deep, We're going to unpack, and we
Speaker 3: might just share our own if we can find it.
Speaker 2: In that time.
Speaker 1: I'll be thinking, but I'm not sure if I'm willing.
Speaker 1: I'm currently not seeing a psychologist. A difficult situation.
Speaker 2: Un pop culture you missed with Flex and Frooms.
Speaker 3: I've been pondering this idea of whether the maintaining closeness
Speaker 3: with fans is a slippery slope for celebrities. I think,
Speaker 3: week after week, month after month, year after year, we're
Speaker 3: only really seeing the negative ramifications of a celebrity that's
Speaker 3: made their audience feel closer than they need to to
Speaker 3: consume the art, to consume the music, to consume the movie.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So, Doja Cat has been going through it for the
Speaker 3: last I would say, a year or so. And for
Speaker 3: me personally, when I'm looking at someone who has quite
Speaker 3: a quirky archetype, when they're doing something that is seen
Speaker 3: as a bit unique online, I'm most likely going to
Speaker 3: assume there's a new something coming out, a new single
Speaker 3: coming out, a new album coming out, a documentary. So
Speaker 3: I haven't really been internalizing any of the stuff that
Speaker 3: she's been doing, but it's actually been quite terrible to recap.
Speaker 3: She's been seen in in cell chat forums. She's been
Speaker 3: making music, racially insensitive music, using slurs against black people
Speaker 3: that are undercover, Like, we've not even heard these ones.
Speaker 3: This is not even the traditional slur. She's unraveled to
Speaker 3: new ones and you might be saying, isn't she black? Huff,
Speaker 3: She's half and racism and internalized races can get the
Speaker 3: best of us.
Speaker 2: Now. She has been seen dating.
Speaker 3: People who are known bigots, known racist non insuels it's
Speaker 3: just not really good, and people have been speculating she've
Speaker 3: been trying to get out of her contract with her label,
Speaker 3: so she's been acting out. Most recently, it seems she
Speaker 3: started a war with her own fans, which I would
Speaker 3: have thought would be the last place you'd want to
Speaker 3: be on the wrong side of history, but she just
Speaker 3: does not care. She's come under fire in the last
Speaker 3: few months for saying number one, she hates her fans.
Speaker 3: She's threatened to quit music after clashing with one of
Speaker 3: her fans who criticized her for not stop to interact
Speaker 3: with them at a hotel and Paraguay. Based on that interaction,
Speaker 3: she told the fan to beep themselves. Then she also
Speaker 3: told a fan to delete their entire account after the
Speaker 3: fans suggested that the collective fandom call themselves kittens. Dojah
Speaker 3: was offended to delete your account and then delete your life.
Speaker 3: She then referred to the music that she's made up
Speaker 3: until this point as being a cash grab and in
Speaker 3: throwing her fans are dumb for falling for.
Speaker 2: Cash cow core cash cow.
Speaker 3: So it's just been almost after hit and I know
Speaker 3: that a lot of people say it's hard to be
Speaker 3: a fan of someone problematic. Kanye fans say it all
Speaker 3: the time, Azalea Banks fans say all the time. Even
Speaker 3: Britney fans say, like, it's really hard to know when
Speaker 3: this is a gag versus when you're not on our
Speaker 3: side anymore. And so it begs the question, if Dojah
Speaker 3: maintains this reality where she has no fans, can she
Speaker 3: even be an artist? Can an artist maintain their streams,
Speaker 3: maintain their merch sales, maintain touring if their fans don't
Speaker 3: like them. I would assume yes, because I think it'll
Speaker 3: get to the point where everybody is like, she doesn't
Speaker 3: mean it. Yeah, you go so far, you know, And
Speaker 3: I get like I get to matter, and like she's
Speaker 3: angry at her label and like she's acting out. But
Speaker 3: I feel as though I'm in two minds. I think
Speaker 3: that if this comes out, that she's just doing it
Speaker 3: to get out of her deal, like she doesn't want
Speaker 3: to be an artist anymore, and her fans are collateral.
Speaker 3: I think they'll understand if she doesn't let her fans
Speaker 3: in on the bit. I think it's getting to the
Speaker 3: point where what she's doing is being viewed as the
Speaker 3: ultimate disrespect. It's one thing to say you don't like
Speaker 3: what you're experiencing, but to question our literacy, our intelligence,
Speaker 3: our commitment to you, what.
Speaker 2: Are we doing this for? I think it's juicy.
Speaker 3: It is hurtful, but like, yeah, stuff is, it's weird
Speaker 3: and not to be shady, please, I don't want to
Speaker 3: be shady. But the stuff that she's a cash scrab
Speaker 3: you know, say so, and all of those things sound
Speaker 3: just like the new music, Oh, attention and paint the
Speaker 3: Town red. Yes, they're like a slower bpm, but like
Speaker 3: it's the same stuff, to the point where she was saying, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, I commend any of my fans who called
Speaker 3: my rapping style corny before, because it was corny. But
Speaker 3: the new stuff attention and paint the Town Red, which
Speaker 3: she claims is meant to be the high brow real
Speaker 3: rap stuff, is just as corny cell phone, So what
Speaker 3: is it? We are distressed. We are keeping close eye
Speaker 3: on it, of course, as we do, and we're going
Speaker 3: to maintain our journalistic integrity and give you updates where
Speaker 3: updates are necessary. But if you are interested, type in
Speaker 3: doja cat in cell and you'll be like, it's harrowing.
Speaker 3: You're kind of like babes you are here creating new
Speaker 3: slurs for these in cels to use.
Speaker 2: How are you so deep in it? It can create
Speaker 2: a very it's very it's very horrwing.
Speaker 1: I would say that some of our favorite activities includ talking, Yeah,
Speaker 1: preaching to some quiet and attempting to be as it was.
Speaker 2: Really faithful audience.
Speaker 1: We've been thinking a lot about how to start someone
Speaker 1: to call it a cult? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And do we need to register it as a business
Speaker 3: a gsc sitsue?
Speaker 2: Truly? What is it?
Speaker 1: Twenty five percent tax free or twenty Is it an org?
Speaker 1: Is it a dot org? I think it might be
Speaker 1: a nonprofit.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that a nonprofit anyway.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think if we were to make one FLEXI,
Speaker 1: what do we have to do?
Speaker 2: I never heard of a cult with two equal leaders?
Speaker 2: Have we? Has there ever been one?
Speaker 3: Is it because I personally if I don't want to
Speaker 3: be a cult leader, but I want to be a
Speaker 3: right hand man.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well then I don't want to be face. I
Speaker 2: want to be advisor.
Speaker 1: That's crazy because I would have thought the opposite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too much press.
Speaker 1: You're letting me go down with the ship. Once we
Speaker 1: finally need to find it out and yeah, please, So
Speaker 1: if you're the one forming the cult, it's likely that
Speaker 1: you're the leader, but you need to make sure that
Speaker 1: your cult is organized for good purposes. That's where you
Speaker 1: come in.
Speaker 2: Where are you finding this information wiki?
Speaker 1: How?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so it's plagiarist.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay. Number two of starting a cult write up
Speaker 1: a body text. All cults have governing texts which have
Speaker 1: the virtue of being both mysteriously vague, pseudo profound, and
Speaker 1: easy to read by a white variety of people.
Speaker 2: Obviously, ascribe we already have our rules for life. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: fully did that series in preparation. It would seem well
Speaker 2: in hindsight.
Speaker 1: Third, you need to find a place or practice of
Speaker 1: worship the Internet. Fair warning, people will probably find the
Speaker 1: idea of a cult about anything pretty strange. You may
Speaker 1: face a lot of hostility and backlash. That's why we
Speaker 1: have chosen words off on Instagram in the words. If
Speaker 1: you're really public with your cult, so obviously we still
Speaker 1: need to have some secrecy around our society objections, please, sir.
Speaker 3: I think if we're going to start a cult in
Speaker 3: the vein of the future, not the past, because if
Speaker 3: we look into the past. It's a lot of cautionary tales.
Speaker 3: It's not really that aspirational. I think we need to
Speaker 3: do the opposite. We need to double down and say
Speaker 3: this is a cult. Honestly, we're picky with members, but
Speaker 3: if you pay.
Speaker 2: We'll let you in. Do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I think the more obvious and certain we are, the
Speaker 3: less you get, because I think it's the suspicion of
Speaker 3: what's happening behind closed doors that causes us like It
Speaker 3: erodes trust, it creates mystery, it separates people from their
Speaker 3: support systems. I don't want any of that. I want
Speaker 3: an integrated lifestyle. Perks were introducing you members the finders fee,
Speaker 3: of course, that's truly I think it needs to.
Speaker 2: Be run with a corporation.
Speaker 1: I never forget the day I put my Instagram on private.
Speaker 2: Fantastic.
Speaker 1: I had to give away with my paid content abilities
Speaker 1: for about a month there that I had on private,
Speaker 1: But boy did a boost morale with the followers. Finally,
Speaker 1: we need to come up with a slogan. All clubs,
Speaker 1: organizations and groups need good slogans. Cults do that they do.
Speaker 1: Oh and of course, the number one thing about starting
Speaker 1: a cult. Thank you pretty simcky pointing it out on
Speaker 1: the sheet. We need to pick an obsession. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: here at Flex and Frooms, we will be upfront as
Speaker 1: we previously said that we intend to be. We want
Speaker 1: to start a cult friends and family of the Potty
Speaker 1: and the radio show.
Speaker 2: I think our.
Speaker 1: Obsessions should be I go with a fast food option,
Speaker 1: but obviously they're not paying, so no.
Speaker 3: I think our obsession needs to be creating a utopia
Speaker 3: that's like in our vision. So I don't think we
Speaker 3: need to little it down to one singular cause like
Speaker 3: ascending or being the first one to touch down on Mars.
Speaker 3: But everything needs to be self serving, so people are
Speaker 3: feeding into their own self serving narrative but also feeding
Speaker 3: into ours. Needs to be too proned because everybody knows
Speaker 3: self actualization is being disciplined for yourself but also committed
Speaker 3: to a greater purpose. We can be someone else's greater purpose.
Speaker 3: They need to be disciplined to theirselves.
Speaker 2: I'm made for this.
Speaker 3: You, on the other hand, through me, I feel like
Speaker 3: you need to figure out what your role is here,
Speaker 3: Like yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something here, there's something near.
Speaker 3: I just want to be like slightly to the left
Speaker 3: of you a foot backwards, sitting down, and then I
Speaker 3: want us to only talk in stairs or was this
Speaker 3: just like star around each other glance at stairs here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want people to be like, how what are
Speaker 2: they talking about?
Speaker 1: This essentially what we do.
Speaker 2: However, we are forced to use our voices, which show
Speaker 2: that's what I want from us.
Speaker 3: Okay, well we'll come back to it next week, guys,
Speaker 3: we'll ask WICKI how what's next?
Speaker 2: You've been listening to the Flex and Frooms Daily podcast.
Speaker 2: For more, tune Indicator on DAB or stream it on
Speaker 2: iHeartRadio