WEBVTT - A royal visit restarts the republic debate

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this this is the Daily OS.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Daly OS.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty first of October.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Sam, I'm emma.

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<v Speaker 2>On Friday, King Charles and Queen Camilla touchdown in Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>for a five day visit. It's their first of visual

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<v Speaker 2>visit to Australia since Charles became King in twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>and his first overseas trip since being diagnosed with cancer.

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<v Speaker 2>As they continue their formal engagements with government and community

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<v Speaker 2>representatives over the coming days, the question of Australia's place

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<v Speaker 2>in the monarchy has resurfaced amongst commentators and spectators.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a conversation really being led by the Australian republic

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<v Speaker 3>movement to say more and more Australians believe we should

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<v Speaker 3>leave the Commonwealth. In today's deep Dive, we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>discuss why the King and Queen are here and where

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<v Speaker 3>Australia is at when it comes to the monarchy verse

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<v Speaker 3>Republican debate. But first Sam, what's making headlines?

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<v Speaker 2>The US presidential campaign is intensifying as it enters its

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<v Speaker 2>final fortnight. Both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris spent the

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<v Speaker 2>weekend in the swing states of Michigan, Georgia, and Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 2>where they're both expected to remain for the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the fortnite. Early voting has now commenced in twenty six

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<v Speaker 2>of the fifty US states, with more than three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand ballots cast on the first day of early voting

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<v Speaker 2>in Georgia alone. Most national polls suggest Harris holds a

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<v Speaker 2>slim lead over the former president.

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<v Speaker 3>A former jet style pilot has been sentenced to thirty

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<v Speaker 3>two years in jail for murdering retiree Carol Clay at

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<v Speaker 3>a remote campground in northeast Victoria. Greg Lynn was in

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<v Speaker 3>Victoria's high Country when he confronted Clay and her partner

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<v Speaker 3>and shot Clay dead in Her partner also died during

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<v Speaker 3>the confrontation, before Lynn burned and buried their bodies. A

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<v Speaker 3>jury in Victoria's Supreme Court found Lynn guilty of murdering

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<v Speaker 3>Clay earlier this year, but acquitted him of killing her

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<v Speaker 3>male partner. During sentencing, just as Michael Croucher described Clay's

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<v Speaker 3>death as violent, brutal, and horrific.

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<v Speaker 2>Large parts of Cuba and the Bahamas have been evacuated

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<v Speaker 2>in preparation for Hurricane Oscar to make landfall, marking the

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<v Speaker 2>fifteenth major hurricane of the season, which goes from June

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<v Speaker 2>to November. Cubans have been without power for many days

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<v Speaker 2>after its largest power plant failed, with power only available

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<v Speaker 2>to those with private backup generators. Cuba's Prime Minister has

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<v Speaker 2>suspended all non essential public services to conserve the available

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<v Speaker 2>electricity in anticipation of the hurricane.

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<v Speaker 3>And in today's good news, a pilot who rescued more

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<v Speaker 3>than one hundred and forty animals from shelters in the

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<v Speaker 3>US before Hurricanes Helene and Milton has now adopted one

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<v Speaker 3>of the cats he rescued. Pilot Matt Prebish volunteered to

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<v Speaker 3>fly dozens of dogs and cats to safety from shelters

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<v Speaker 3>in Florida and Tennessee, all of whom are now up

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<v Speaker 3>for adoption. Pebish said one of the cats he rescued

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<v Speaker 3>caught his attention once he safely landed, a kitten named Avery.

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<v Speaker 3>The pilot has now adopted Avery and taken him to

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<v Speaker 3>his home in Texas, where the four month old will

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<v Speaker 3>join another cat and two dogs, Okay Sam King Charles

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<v Speaker 3>the third and his wife Queen Camilla are here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>They touched down on Friday ahead of their first royal

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<v Speaker 3>visit here since Charles became king.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's no stranger to Ozzie Shaw's he visited here first.

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<v Speaker 3>In nineteen sixty six as a high school student, but

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<v Speaker 3>this is a bit of a different visit for him

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<v Speaker 3>now that he is king. What's on the agenda this time.

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<v Speaker 2>Around, Well, they're really going to try and do as

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<v Speaker 2>much as possible. It's short time that they're spending across

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney and Canberra, but they've got plenty of people who

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<v Speaker 2>want to see them, especially in government and community circles.

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<v Speaker 2>They were greeted by Anthony Albernizi at Sydney Airport on

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<v Speaker 2>Friday night, and over the weekend they attended a community

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<v Speaker 2>barbecue hosted by New South Wales Premier Chris Mins and

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<v Speaker 2>they had the opportunity to view the Defense Forces Navy

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<v Speaker 2>fleets float down Sydney Harbor. Now they're going to head

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<v Speaker 2>to Canberra and there they're going to meet with government officials,

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<v Speaker 2>community groups and attend a couple of events. There's one

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<v Speaker 2>at the War Memorial and one at Parliament House. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it's not actually a parliamentary sitting week, so I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure how many federal MPs and senators are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be in town for it. Charles is also scheduled to

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<v Speaker 2>tour the National Botanic Gardens he loves a garden and

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<v Speaker 2>meet with scientists at the CSIRO to discuss bushfire research. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>Camilla is going to be meeting with domestic violence advocates

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<v Speaker 2>and representatives from a great organization called Givett, which is

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<v Speaker 2>charity she's a patron of that helps distribute donations to

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<v Speaker 2>various causes.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of the camera leg of this royal visit, we

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<v Speaker 3>did a story last week that really resonated with the

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<v Speaker 3>TDA audience and it was about the fact that none

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<v Speaker 3>of the state premiers had accepted an invitation to attend

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<v Speaker 3>a welcome ceremony at Parliament House in Canberra. TDA journo

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<v Speaker 3>Harry Sekulich actually reached out to all six state leaders

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<v Speaker 3>and confirmed none would be in attendance.

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<v Speaker 2>None.

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<v Speaker 1>None.

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<v Speaker 3>This drew criticism from pro monarchist figures who said that

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<v Speaker 3>their absence showed a huge lack of respect, but the

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<v Speaker 3>premiers defended their reasons, which included, you know, Mostly it

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<v Speaker 3>was about scheduling conflicts, but some had election campaign commitments,

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<v Speaker 3>so they all sort of gave a reason and defended

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<v Speaker 3>why they wouldn't be there.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was a big headline last week, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I think it'll be equally interesting to see

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<v Speaker 2>what federal politicians are making the journey to Canberra in

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<v Speaker 2>a non sitting week to be there for all of

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<v Speaker 2>the official functions. On other point worth mentioning is that

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<v Speaker 2>this is Charles's first overseas trip since his cancer diagnosis.

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<v Speaker 2>You might remember that Buckingham Palace announced back in February

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<v Speaker 2>that the King had been diagnosed with cancer. They didn't

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<v Speaker 2>specify what type, but we know that he's been undergoing treatment.

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<v Speaker 2>We also know that he's paused the treatment for this trip,

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<v Speaker 2>and some reports suggest he's traveling with his own medical

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<v Speaker 2>team and even his own blood supply.

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<v Speaker 3>So I guess one of the big questions then is

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<v Speaker 3>why now, why make the trip if he is not

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<v Speaker 3>in good health, if he's in the middle of treatment,

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<v Speaker 3>what's the significance.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think there is some significance to the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that it is his first visit as king, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>a new king. He's had relatively little time in the role,

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<v Speaker 2>and touring the different countries that are part of the

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<v Speaker 2>Commonwealth is a really important part of the role of

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<v Speaker 2>the head.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the monarch.

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<v Speaker 2>Charles has been his sixteen times before, this is his

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<v Speaker 2>first time as king. There's also a bigger engagement in

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<v Speaker 2>the region though, that I think is the main reason

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<v Speaker 2>why the trip is happening, and that is this week's

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<v Speaker 2>Commonwealth Head of Government meeting in Samoa. Now this is

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<v Speaker 2>the first one that Charles is going to attend as

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<v Speaker 2>Head of the Commonwealth and that's obviously significant, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>where he gets the opportunity to meet with leaders from

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<v Speaker 2>other Commonwealth nations all in one spot.

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<v Speaker 3>So it sounds like they're trying to cover a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of bases, a lot of motivating factors for this trip.

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<v Speaker 3>One of them could be about the sentiment towards or

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<v Speaker 3>a growing sentiment away from the royal family. How are

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<v Speaker 3>Australians feeling about the visit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really mixed, like there is certainly a contingent of

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<v Speaker 2>Australians who are really excited, and I think the clearest

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<v Speaker 2>way to try and figure out who those people are

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<v Speaker 2>will be at the events themselves. Yeah, who's turned up

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<v Speaker 2>to actually catch a glimpse of Charles and Camilla. But

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<v Speaker 2>there is a growing sense of what you could call

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<v Speaker 2>indifference or potentially skepticism about the monarchy's role in modern Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, reading through some of the comments from the

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<v Speaker 2>TDA audience on that post you mentioned earlier, it definitely

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be particularly pertinent amongst young people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and leading the charge in terms of the discussion

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<v Speaker 3>about Australia leaving the monarchy is the Australian Republican movement.

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<v Speaker 3>They've been pretty vocal in the lead up to this

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<v Speaker 3>visit and over the last few days.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they've been seizing on this moment to reignite the

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<v Speaker 2>debate about Australia becoming a republic. They've launched this cheeky

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<v Speaker 2>campaign calling this the farewell Tour of the British Monarchy

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia, and they've gone all the way. They've got

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<v Speaker 2>posters and T shirts that make it look like it's

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<v Speaker 2>the farewell tour for a rock band.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I've seen the merch, very cheeky, very clever marketing.

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<v Speaker 3>But behind that, behind that sort of tongue in cheek sentiment.

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<v Speaker 3>What is the actual momentum behind the Republican movement at

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<v Speaker 3>the moment, Is it experiencing any kind of an uptick?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we have to look to some of the opinion

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<v Speaker 2>polls out there for an answer to that. Some recent

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<v Speaker 2>polling suggests that about sixty of Australians would prefer an

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<v Speaker 2>Australian head of state over King Charles, and in one

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<v Speaker 2>Guardian es Central poll from last year, fifty four percent

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<v Speaker 2>said that they would support a republic referendum.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are pretty significant numbers. But you mentioned a referendum there,

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<v Speaker 3>so what do we need.

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<v Speaker 1>To know about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it's important when looking at that last

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<v Speaker 2>Guardian poll to remember that the support for a referendum

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<v Speaker 2>tends to fluctuate based on what's happening in the news.

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<v Speaker 2>So you see kind of peaks and troughs based on

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<v Speaker 2>controversies in the royal family, if there's a high profile death,

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<v Speaker 2>if there's a transfer of power, or if there's indeed

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<v Speaker 2>a visit, and that kind of leads into what you

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<v Speaker 2>were saying earlier that a visit from the King, it

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<v Speaker 2>would hope, from the King's perspective, firm up some of

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<v Speaker 2>that support for the monarchy. The challenge for those who

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<v Speaker 2>want to push for a referendum to test whether Australia

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<v Speaker 2>should become a republic is turning that up and down

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<v Speaker 2>then kind of more fluctuating sense of strength in the

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<v Speaker 2>publican movement into concrete action, no matter what time of

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<v Speaker 2>year that question is put to the Australian people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and if we know those numbers are about fifty

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<v Speaker 3>four percent or sixty ish percent come referendum day, you

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<v Speaker 3>know that is not a confident figure for a victory.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And referendums tend to fail, right, I mean, we've

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<v Speaker 2>had eight successful referendums out of forty four attempts in

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<v Speaker 2>Australian history. The last republican referendum in nineteen ninety nine

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<v Speaker 2>did fail. There was about forty five percent of Australians

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<v Speaker 2>who voted in favor and fifty five percent against.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's really interesting to reflect on. I suppose nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety nine, you know, twenty five or not that long ago,

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<v Speaker 3>years ago, And I think when we talk about that referendum,

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<v Speaker 3>obviously it was unsuccessful, but we don't often zoom in

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<v Speaker 3>on the numbers. And forty five to fifty five it's

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<v Speaker 3>not overwhelming in any sense in the word. So what's

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<v Speaker 3>the argument for Australia becoming a republic movement?

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<v Speaker 1>And then on the other side, you know there.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this group of loyal royalists monarchists behind the Australian

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<v Speaker 3>Monarchists League.

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<v Speaker 1>They have their own arguments. What are the key points?

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<v Speaker 2>This kind of could make its own podcast, because there's

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<v Speaker 2>some really interesting arguments on both sides, but in brief

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<v Speaker 2>and so that you've got the context to understand it

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<v Speaker 2>whilst King Charles is in town. The key argument for

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<v Speaker 2>the republic movement is that it's time for Australia to

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<v Speaker 2>have its own head of state. They want somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>is Australian and who lives in Australia, who understands the

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<v Speaker 2>country and is directly accountable to Australians. And they say

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<v Speaker 2>it's part of this process of asserting our national identity

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<v Speaker 2>and independence, especially as we continue to struggle with how

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<v Speaker 2>our history of colonization and First Nations community disadvantage fits

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<v Speaker 2>into the broader narrative of Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>And the argument also is that the monarchy or the

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<v Speaker 3>royal family's role in Australian life remains or has become

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<v Speaker 3>fairly ornamental, that we have that relative independence in the

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<v Speaker 3>structures of our government and everyday life here, and that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, this is just kind of putting a full

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<v Speaker 3>stop on that independence.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of things will change symbolically, but nothing will change logistically,

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<v Speaker 2>is the kind of sense they want to put out

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<v Speaker 2>there now. On the other side of things, monarchists argue

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<v Speaker 2>that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. We've got

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<v Speaker 2>a current system that is working. They say that the

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<v Speaker 2>monarchy provides stability and continuity, and that it's an important

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<v Speaker 2>link to our history and traditions. There's also the argument

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<v Speaker 2>that changing to a republic would be complicated, and it

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<v Speaker 2>could be potentially divisive, and it could present, in some monarchists' arguments,

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<v Speaker 2>a distraction from more pressing issues facing the country.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm just thinking about what would change tangibly in

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<v Speaker 3>our day to day lives if Australia became a republic,

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<v Speaker 3>and first thing I think of is money.

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<v Speaker 1>Currency.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, surely we would have to implement some kind of

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<v Speaker 3>either not necessary new currency, but we'd need to The

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<v Speaker 3>mint would need to produce new physical currency. Be a

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<v Speaker 3>different face on face that seems like an expensive and

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<v Speaker 3>timely exercise.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the actual running of a referendum is expensive and timely,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's that argument as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So where does the current government stand on all this?

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<v Speaker 2>So Anthony Aberesi's Labor government came into office with a

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<v Speaker 2>promise to hold a referendum on becoming a republic in

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<v Speaker 2>their second term if they were to be reelected.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this something I completely forgot about?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a big call.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I remember there being discussion in the lead up

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<v Speaker 3>to the Queen's death about when would be the right

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<v Speaker 3>time and this promise, but it's kind of gone away

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think they've backed away from that timeline after

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<v Speaker 2>the failure of the Voice referendum last year because there

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be a sense that the appetite for really

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<v Speaker 2>changing the constitution is not quite there at the moment

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<v Speaker 2>for Australians, and two failed referendums in two consecutive terms

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<v Speaker 2>is not something any government would want on their record.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, got a way up the political gains or potential

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<v Speaker 3>losses of yeh, a second referendum. I do think it's

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<v Speaker 3>also important to discuss here what's been happening around the

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<v Speaker 3>world in other Commonwealth countries. So Jamaica has said its

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<v Speaker 3>planning on removing Charles as its head of state by

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty five. There's been a lot of momentum there

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<v Speaker 3>towards becoming a republic after more than three hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>fifty years of colonial rule. You might remember there was

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<v Speaker 3>quite an ill fated royal tour in twenty twenty two

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<v Speaker 3>in Jamaica and around the Caribbean by Prince William and

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<v Speaker 3>Princess Kate. There were some viral images from that time

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<v Speaker 3>of the Prince and Princess on one side of a

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<v Speaker 3>wire fence and the hands of children kind of reaching

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<v Speaker 3>out to them. It really evoked imagery of former British

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<v Speaker 3>colonial rule and was bad pr really bad pr for

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<v Speaker 3>the royal family at that time. Now, of the fifty

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<v Speaker 3>six member states of the Commonwealth, more than twenty are

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<v Speaker 3>in Africa, and that reignites that conversation about what does

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<v Speaker 3>colonial history represent. And back to the Caribbean, we've got

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<v Speaker 3>government officials in Belize, the Bahamas, Grenada, Antigua, a few

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<v Speaker 3>other regions that have signaled they do want to become

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<v Speaker 3>republics in the near future.

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<v Speaker 1>Other parts of.

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<v Speaker 3>That region that have done it Guyana, Trinidad, and Tobago

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<v Speaker 3>Dominica all removed the then monarch, Queen Elizabeth as their

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<v Speaker 3>head of state in the seventies, and Barbados followed suit

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<v Speaker 3>in November twenty twenty one, so it became the newest

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<v Speaker 3>sort of republic in the world, the most recent Commonwealth

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<v Speaker 3>country to leave the monarchy behind. But obviously there are

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<v Speaker 3>dozens of countries where that conversation is ongoing. So it

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<v Speaker 3>marks a very interesting context for this visit from Charles

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<v Speaker 3>and Camilla. Not only this visit, but you know their

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<v Speaker 3>place and their relevance in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that what the King and Queen are

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<v Speaker 2>trying to do is trying to modernize the image of

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<v Speaker 2>the monarch, and part of this is the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to do things that seem more relevant to

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<v Speaker 2>contemporary Australian society. There's more of a focus on climate change,

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<v Speaker 2>there's more of a focus on First Nations rights in

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<v Speaker 2>their schedule for the next couple of days, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of good wills still to them. Personally amongst Australians,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a recent survey that found half of Australians

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<v Speaker 2>have a positive view of the King and royal family

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<v Speaker 2>as people, so you know they're trying to, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>bring that out of the woodwork and get those people

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<v Speaker 2>to line up on the sides of a function to

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<v Speaker 2>give some of those helpful visuals, not like the ones

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<v Speaker 2>that you spoke about on past trips. But on the

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<v Speaker 2>other hand, this visit has brought this debate back into

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<v Speaker 2>the news cycle. I mean, we wouldn't be having this

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<v Speaker 2>conversation today on the podcast if not for the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that the King and Queen are here. And some of

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<v Speaker 2>the key questions I think people are asking is does

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<v Speaker 2>it still make sense for us to be in the

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<v Speaker 2>monarchy and are we ready to take that next step

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<v Speaker 2>as a nation.

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<v Speaker 3>We've sort of mentioned that the death of Queen Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 3>shifted gears a little bit. Leaders had suggested that it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't appropriate to discuss leaving the monarchy while Queen Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 3>was still its head, while she was still alive, So

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<v Speaker 3>the Republican movement it sort of felt like it was

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<v Speaker 3>on hold. And then when the Queen did die, there

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<v Speaker 3>were hopes from some camps that it would be the

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<v Speaker 3>right time. Did anything change.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a bit of polling that compared the sentiment

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<v Speaker 2>of Australians before and after the Queen's death. There was

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<v Speaker 2>a twelve percent increase, so twenty percent up to thirty

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<v Speaker 2>two percent of those who felt Australia should become a

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<v Speaker 2>republic as soon as possible. So there was a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a tick.

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<v Speaker 1>After a significant jump.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was, but it wasn't seismic. It wasn't this

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<v Speaker 2>massive ground swell. It didn't feel like, at least in

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<v Speaker 2>the polls, like it was the overwhelmingly logical move in

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<v Speaker 2>the minds of most Australians. The same percentage this is

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting, the same percentage of Australians think that Charles

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<v Speaker 2>will be the final monarch to rule, So in other words,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to leave soon as those who think that

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<v Speaker 2>that's not going to happen. So it's quite a divided country.

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<v Speaker 1>In that way.

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean that division kind of tells us that

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<v Speaker 3>there's probably not going to be any major movement on

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<v Speaker 3>this within the next few years. It's unlikely we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to see a referendum in.

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<v Speaker 1>The short term.

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<v Speaker 3>But in terms of the next few days, Charles and Camilla,

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<v Speaker 3>the remaining days of their visit, I think what everyone

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<v Speaker 3>will be watching closely for is that public reaction. Is

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<v Speaker 3>there going to be that groundswell of enthusiasm or is

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<v Speaker 3>the sense of apathy going to kind of take over

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<v Speaker 3>and give us some more clues about where public opinion

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<v Speaker 3>is heading.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be a really visual examination of how

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<v Speaker 2>people feel about the monarchy on the streets of Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>and Canberra.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely well, we'll certainly be keeping a close eye on

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<v Speaker 3>it all.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for breaking it down for us, Sam.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks em.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be back tomorrow with more of the news you

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<v Speaker 3>need to know. In the meantime, have a great day.

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