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Speaker 1: Already and this this is the Daily OS.

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Speaker 2: This is the Daly OS.

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Speaker 1: Oh now it makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty first of October.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sam, I'm emma.

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Speaker 2: On Friday, King Charles and Queen Camilla touchdown in Sydney

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Speaker 2: for a five day visit. It's their first of visual

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Speaker 2: visit to Australia since Charles became King in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: and his first overseas trip since being diagnosed with cancer.

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Speaker 2: As they continue their formal engagements with government and community

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Speaker 2: representatives over the coming days, the question of Australia's place

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Speaker 2: in the monarchy has resurfaced amongst commentators and spectators.

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Speaker 3: It's a conversation really being led by the Australian republic

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Speaker 3: movement to say more and more Australians believe we should

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Speaker 3: leave the Commonwealth. In today's deep Dive, we're going to

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Speaker 3: discuss why the King and Queen are here and where

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Speaker 3: Australia is at when it comes to the monarchy verse

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Speaker 3: Republican debate. But first Sam, what's making headlines?

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Speaker 2: The US presidential campaign is intensifying as it enters its

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Speaker 2: final fortnight. Both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris spent the

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Speaker 2: weekend in the swing states of Michigan, Georgia, and Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 2: where they're both expected to remain for the rest of

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Speaker 2: the fortnite. Early voting has now commenced in twenty six

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Speaker 2: of the fifty US states, with more than three hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand ballots cast on the first day of early voting

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Speaker 2: in Georgia alone. Most national polls suggest Harris holds a

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Speaker 2: slim lead over the former president.

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Speaker 3: A former jet style pilot has been sentenced to thirty

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Speaker 3: two years in jail for murdering retiree Carol Clay at

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Speaker 3: a remote campground in northeast Victoria. Greg Lynn was in

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Speaker 3: Victoria's high Country when he confronted Clay and her partner

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Speaker 3: and shot Clay dead in Her partner also died during

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Speaker 3: the confrontation, before Lynn burned and buried their bodies. A

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Speaker 3: jury in Victoria's Supreme Court found Lynn guilty of murdering

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Speaker 3: Clay earlier this year, but acquitted him of killing her

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Speaker 3: male partner. During sentencing, just as Michael Croucher described Clay's

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Speaker 3: death as violent, brutal, and horrific.

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Speaker 2: Large parts of Cuba and the Bahamas have been evacuated

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Speaker 2: in preparation for Hurricane Oscar to make landfall, marking the

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Speaker 2: fifteenth major hurricane of the season, which goes from June

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Speaker 2: to November. Cubans have been without power for many days

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Speaker 2: after its largest power plant failed, with power only available

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Speaker 2: to those with private backup generators. Cuba's Prime Minister has

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Speaker 2: suspended all non essential public services to conserve the available

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Speaker 3: And in today's good news, a pilot who rescued more

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Speaker 3: than one hundred and forty animals from shelters in the

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Speaker 3: US before Hurricanes Helene and Milton has now adopted one

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Speaker 3: of the cats he rescued. Pilot Matt Prebish volunteered to

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Speaker 3: fly dozens of dogs and cats to safety from shelters

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Speaker 3: in Florida and Tennessee, all of whom are now up

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Speaker 3: for adoption. Pebish said one of the cats he rescued

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Speaker 3: caught his attention once he safely landed, a kitten named Avery.

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Speaker 3: The pilot has now adopted Avery and taken him to

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Speaker 3: his home in Texas, where the four month old will

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Speaker 3: join another cat and two dogs, Okay Sam King Charles

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Speaker 3: the third and his wife Queen Camilla are here in Australia.

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Speaker 3: They touched down on Friday ahead of their first royal

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Speaker 3: visit here since Charles became king.

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Speaker 1: Now he's no stranger to Ozzie Shaw's he visited here first.

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Speaker 3: In nineteen sixty six as a high school student, but

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Speaker 3: this is a bit of a different visit for him

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Speaker 3: now that he is king. What's on the agenda this time.

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Speaker 2: Around, Well, they're really going to try and do as

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Speaker 2: much as possible. It's short time that they're spending across

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Speaker 2: Sydney and Canberra, but they've got plenty of people who

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Speaker 2: They were greeted by Anthony Albernizi at Sydney Airport on

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Speaker 2: they had the opportunity to view the Defense Forces Navy

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Speaker 2: fleets float down Sydney Harbor. Now they're going to head

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Speaker 2: to Canberra and there they're going to meet with government officials,

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Speaker 2: tour the National Botanic Gardens he loves a garden and

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Speaker 2: and representatives from a great organization called Givett, which is

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Speaker 3: Speaking of the camera leg of this royal visit, we

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Speaker 3: did a story last week that really resonated with the

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Speaker 3: TDA audience and it was about the fact that none

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Speaker 3: a welcome ceremony at Parliament House in Canberra. TDA journo

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Speaker 3: Harry Sekulich actually reached out to all six state leaders

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Speaker 2: None.

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Speaker 3: This drew criticism from pro monarchist figures who said that

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Speaker 3: their absence showed a huge lack of respect, but the

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Speaker 3: premiers defended their reasons, which included, you know, Mostly it

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Speaker 1: But that was a big headline last week, and.

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Speaker 2: That's why I think it'll be equally interesting to see

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Speaker 2: what federal politicians are making the journey to Canberra in

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Speaker 2: the official functions. On other point worth mentioning is that

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Speaker 2: this is Charles's first overseas trip since his cancer diagnosis.

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Speaker 2: You might remember that Buckingham Palace announced back in February

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Speaker 2: that the King had been diagnosed with cancer. They didn't

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Speaker 2: We also know that he's paused the treatment for this trip,

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Speaker 2: and some reports suggest he's traveling with his own medical

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Speaker 3: So I guess one of the big questions then is

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Speaker 3: what's the significance.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there is some significance to the fact

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Speaker 2: that it is his first visit as king, and he's

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Speaker 2: and touring the different countries that are part of the

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Speaker 2: Commonwealth is a really important part of the role of

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Speaker 1: Of the monarch.

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Speaker 2: Charles has been his sixteen times before, this is his

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Speaker 2: first time as king. There's also a bigger engagement in

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Speaker 3: So it sounds like they're trying to cover a lot

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Speaker 3: One of them could be about the sentiment towards or

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Speaker 3: a growing sentiment away from the royal family. How are

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Speaker 2: It's really mixed, like there is certainly a contingent of

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Speaker 2: will be at the events themselves. Yeah, who's turned up

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Speaker 2: to actually catch a glimpse of Charles and Camilla. But

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Speaker 2: I mean, reading through some of the comments from the

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Speaker 2: seems to be particularly pertinent amongst young people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and leading the charge in terms of the discussion

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Speaker 3: They've been pretty vocal in the lead up to this

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Speaker 1: What's going on there.

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Speaker 2: Well, they've been seizing on this moment to reignite the

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I've seen the merch, very cheeky, very clever marketing.

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Speaker 3: But behind that, behind that sort of tongue in cheek sentiment.

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Speaker 3: What is the actual momentum behind the Republican movement at

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Speaker 3: the moment, Is it experiencing any kind of an uptick?

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Speaker 2: Well, we have to look to some of the opinion

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Speaker 2: polling suggests that about sixty of Australians would prefer an

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Speaker 2: Guardian es Central poll from last year, fifty four percent

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Speaker 3: Those are pretty significant numbers. But you mentioned a referendum there,

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Speaker 1: To know about that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's important when looking at that last

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Speaker 2: So you see kind of peaks and troughs based on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if we know those numbers are about fifty

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Speaker 3: know that is not a confident figure for a victory.

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Speaker 2: No, And referendums tend to fail, right, I mean, we've

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Speaker 2: had eight successful referendums out of forty four attempts in

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Speaker 2: Australian history. The last republican referendum in nineteen ninety nine

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really interesting to reflect on. I suppose nineteen

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Speaker 3: not overwhelming in any sense in the word. So what's

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Speaker 3: the argument for Australia becoming a republic movement?

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Speaker 1: And then on the other side, you know there.

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Speaker 3: Is this group of loyal royalists monarchists behind the Australian

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Speaker 1: They have their own arguments. What are the key points?

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Speaker 2: This kind of could make its own podcast, because there's

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Speaker 2: some really interesting arguments on both sides, but in brief

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Speaker 2: and so that you've got the context to understand it

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Speaker 2: whilst King Charles is in town. The key argument for

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Speaker 2: the republic movement is that it's time for Australia to

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Speaker 2: it's part of this process of asserting our national identity

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Speaker 3: And the argument also is that the monarchy or the

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Speaker 2: Kind of things will change symbolically, but nothing will change logistically,

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm just thinking about what would change tangibly in

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Speaker 2: Well, the actual running of a referendum is expensive and timely,

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Speaker 1: Is this something I completely forgot about?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that what the King and Queen are

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Speaker 3: We've sort of mentioned that the death of Queen Elizabeth

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Speaker 1: After a significant jump.

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Speaker 1: The short term.

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Speaker 3: But in terms of the next few days, Charles and Camilla,

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a really visual examination of how

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Speaker 3: Absolutely well, we'll certainly be keeping a close eye on

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for breaking it down for us, Sam.

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Speaker 2: Thanks em.

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Speaker 3: We'll be back tomorrow with more of the news you

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