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Speaker 3: Hello, this is doctor Justin Coulson, the podcast host of

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Speaker 3: the Doctor Justin Colson's Happy Families podcast, the number one

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Speaker 3: I like it when the news comes out like that.

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Speaker 3: And can I just make a comment.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you can hear it in the background.

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Speaker 3: But with our new living arrangement, we're in an airbnb

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Speaker 5: And we're moving into a tiny little house. We're getting

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Speaker 4: Real life, honey, real life.

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Speaker 3: We have an important conversation to have today and we're

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Speaker 3: going to break it into two parts, as we always do.

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Speaker 3: First part of the conversation is you and I having

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Speaker 3: a discussion about a listener question. But then we're actually

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Speaker 5: So here's the question.

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Speaker 3: It comes from Brie, who says, Hi, Justin and Kylie,

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Speaker 3: I am a mum of three kids, therefore two and

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Speaker 5: I love it when they at that age, so much fun,

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Speaker 3: With my eldest Judas start school next year, Brie says,

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Speaker 3: I'm currently discerning the education or direction of our family,

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Speaker 3: and I'm very seriously considering homeschooling. I'm a primary school

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Speaker 3: home educate our kids. We have our reasons for considering

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Speaker 3: this direction to ensure the flourishing of our children. However,

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Speaker 3: there are some very strong opinions out there about homeschooling

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Speaker 3: I would greatly appreciate an open, honest discussion of the pros, cons, benefits,

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Speaker 3: first thing I'm going to highlight is that we're going

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Speaker 3: we've been through this conversation ourselves, Kyle, we haven't we like,

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Speaker 4: I think with each child, with each addition to our family,

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Speaker 3: And I've been the one who's pushed it, and you've

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Speaker 3: You always learn at the rate of the slowest child.

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Speaker 3: there's also the cultural stuff, the values things. I speak

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Speaker 3: to so many parents to say, it's just the values

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Speaker 3: I think there's also that reality that sometimes school just

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Speaker 5: And let's talk about why we haven't done it.

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Speaker 5: And the reasons that we've kept our kids in.

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Speaker 3: For me when we had the conversation. Is the main

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Speaker 3: simply I can't be there for you while your homeschool

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Speaker 5: And as we've looked at it from that lifestyle point.

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Speaker 4: I think in briefe situation, she's at a beautiful stage

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Speaker 4: very gently. She's got a five year old starting school,

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Speaker 3: But right after the break, we're going to have a

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Speaker 5: Dads are pretty awesome, just ask me.

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Speaker 3: Today, more dads are more involved with their children's lives

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Speaker 4: It's the Happy Families podcast, the podcast for the time

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Speaker 4: poor parent who just wants answers now and Bree wants

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Speaker 4: the pros and cons to homeschooling.

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Speaker 5: So we've given it our best shot.

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Speaker 3: We don't really know what we're talking about though, so

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Speaker 3: we decided to call in an expert, a friend of

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Speaker 5: Jody, mum to five kids. It is so great to

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Speaker 6: Thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to give you the round of a pause,

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Speaker 3: the roaring approval, because we know that you're going to

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Speaker 4: No pressure, Jody, Yeah, it.

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Speaker 6: Is a big decision.

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Speaker 2: That's definitely something that we didn't jump into overnight. We

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Speaker 2: had a big think about it for probably almost two years.

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Speaker 5: Well, that is a big thing for us.

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Speaker 2: It was a huge decision because our children's education is

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Speaker 5: Really this was legit, So yeah, beyond your capacity.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome. I'm wondering, Jody, obviously you've suggested that you've

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Speaker 3: Things some people will do to get out of work,

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Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying, because because looking after five kids

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So something that was really interesting to me is

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Speaker 6: And can you tell I found that very stressful. Had

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Speaker 6: So you're Richard, be wonderful.

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Speaker 5: You can afford takeout Richard because.

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Speaker 6: So I guess that's a great class.

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Speaker 2: We do have some that are less enthusiastic to do

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Speaker 6: But yeah, it's been it's been a really interesting and

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Speaker 4: That's amazing. Jodie there's so many questions I've got, and

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Speaker 5: Let us know what it's awful as well.

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Speaker 4: But I'm wondering before before we finish up, I'm wondering

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Speaker 2: I think one of the things someone said to me

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Speaker 6: They'd say good. So I guess in that regard now

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Speaker 2: I get to see what they're struggling with, I get

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Speaker 2: So especially for Bree being a school teacher, she obviously

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Speaker 2: And two better to teach on your own children. I mean,

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Speaker 5: What a great conversation.

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Speaker 3: Jody five from the Illawara, who has just taken up

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Speaker 5: So thanks for joining us, Jody.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, most welcome. Thanks for having you chat Kylie.

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Speaker 3: I think that the solution for us is that we

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Speaker 5: It does.

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Speaker 4: She definitely makes it sound like it would be achievable.

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Speaker 3: So here's what I think needs to happen. You and

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Speaker 3: Jody have another couple of hours on the phone. We'll

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Speaker 3: wrap up the podcast now you can talk more about it,

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Speaker 3: and then we'll fill in the paperwork. The Happy Families

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Speaker 3: podcast is produced by Justin Rulan from Bridge Media. Craig

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Speaker 3: Bruce is our executive producer and we appreciate so much

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Speaker 3: of the work that they do. If you would like

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Speaker 3: to know more about how you can raise your kids

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Speaker 3: happy without using carrots and sticks to discipline them, this

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Speaker 3: coming Monday night, the sixteenth of May, we're going to

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Speaker 3: be talking about carrots and sticks in a Happy Family's

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Speaker 3: special webinar. Please join us for that and tomorrow on

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Speaker 3: the podcast, Kira Pendergast from Safe on Social talking about

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Speaker 3: the new issue that so many of our tweens and

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Speaker 3: teens are dealing with, cyber flashing and air drop plus Instagram, sextortion.

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Speaker 5: That's all coming up on the Happy Families podcast.