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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was.

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Speaker 2: And joining us in the studio today the Deputy Opposition

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Speaker 2: leader Jared Mayley.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Katie, Good morning listeners. And keep Holtz in Lichfield.

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Speaker 1: Oh we go, we started already. Holy moly.

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Speaker 2: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, they might not even need

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Speaker 2: us today.

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Speaker 4: I reckon you should bring Jerry Wood now and get

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Speaker 4: him in yesterday often more than I could on these issues.

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Speaker 2: Plenty of other things to discuss this morning as well.

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Speaker 2: Matt Cunningham from Sky.

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Speaker 1: News is here. Kezier Puric, Good morning to you. Kezier.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Katie. Dunelds agree with the Seal people. I

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Speaker 5: agree with Jared Helps belongs to Lichfield and we got

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Speaker 5: more no I's say.

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Speaker 1: Kate Warten's just ready to steal that microphone off. Kezier,

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Kate.

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Speaker 6: Good morning and I'm looking forward to this. This is great.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, let's see what happens. But look, we're not

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Speaker 2: going to start in the rural area. We're actually going

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Speaker 2: to start a little further out in Daily River because

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Speaker 2: we know that the Northern Territory Chief Minister, according to

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Speaker 2: Sky News this morning, has to warring families in a

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Speaker 2: remote indigenous community to get a job and send their

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Speaker 2: children to school. The state governments rejected criticism that it

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Speaker 2: was too sow to respond to the violent incidents in

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Speaker 2: Daily River and a gang of youth offenders ran riot

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Speaker 2: as we know in the community of Daily River, with

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Speaker 2: people being shot at and houses and cars set alight.

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Speaker 2: The Chief Minister spoke to you yesterday, Matt Cunningham, as

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Speaker 2: I understand it, and said that the families involved in

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Speaker 2: escalating riots need to take responsibility for their actions.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she was pretty strong with their words evil Ula,

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Speaker 4: and I think most people would probably agree with the

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Speaker 4: sentiment of what she's saying. I mean, what we've seen

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Speaker 4: unfold there at Daily River is absolutely shocking. I was

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Speaker 4: three hours just traveling around with Mark Casey, who's a

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Speaker 4: man who was the Aboriginal community police officer out there

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Speaker 4: for more than twenty years, and just to see the

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Speaker 4: level of destruction out there, where houses have been completely gutted,

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Speaker 4: cars stolen, set on fire. You know, there's one place

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Speaker 4: the side of the house and been set on fire.

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Speaker 4: Then the house has been set on fire, then all

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Speaker 4: of the belongings from inside of the house have been

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Speaker 4: practically been destroyed. You know, he was telling me stories

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Speaker 4: about women aged in their eighties who were being terrorized

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Speaker 4: by some of these gang members. You can see the

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Speaker 4: graffiti of the gang in question that is sprayed spray

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Speaker 4: painted over different parts in the community. So I think that,

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Speaker 4: you know, everyone agrees that this is unacceptable behavior, and

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Speaker 4: the Chief Minister was certainly calling it out. I mean,

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Speaker 4: and as to how to address it, well, I think

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Speaker 4: she's right from a long term point of view. You know,

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Speaker 4: the kids need to go to school and their parents

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Speaker 4: need to be working. But that is a lofty goal

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Speaker 4: and I think achieving that is going to take a

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Speaker 3: I want to take a step back because ultimately, have

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Speaker 3: a look at the labor government have changed laws over

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Speaker 3: a number of years and the consequences. So when it

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Speaker 3: going to get it in trouble. They know they're going

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Speaker 3: to get the revolving door of bail. I think I

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Speaker 3: read that one of them was on bail already and

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Speaker 3: So it really shows how the Labor government over time

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Speaker 3: there is happening and these people aren't safe in their

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Speaker 2: The NT News was this morning reporting that yes, a

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Speaker 2: teenager who allegedly fired across bow at a group of

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Speaker 1: That is what a court has heard that.

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Speaker 2: This eighteen year old faced the Darwin Local Court on Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: charged with going armed in public, taking part in a

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Speaker 2: The court heard that he'd been granted bail in September

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Speaker 2: last year and allegedly tampered with or removed his electronic

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Speaker 7: And so Jared said that right, you know, there's a

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Speaker 7: there's been six arrests out daily of these young people.

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Speaker 7: I think we probably shouldn't even name the gang.

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Speaker 6: We know the game.

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Speaker 7: But what the Chief Minister also said is what this

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Speaker 7: is is a crisis. And and there are three police

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Speaker 7: officers stationed in daily itself all the time, and those

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Speaker 7: three police officers there's only one hundred and twenty people

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Speaker 7: police officers for the community at large. But in that

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Speaker 7: whole region there are long standing family feuds that this

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Speaker 7: gang has emanated from and it will not take police

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Speaker 7: to fix it. It's a long term crisis. And what

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Speaker 7: Eva did say yesterday, our Chief Minister said on top

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Speaker 7: of that was this needs to be a whole of

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Speaker 7: community and we also need organizations like the land councils,

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Speaker 7: all the NGOs working in the area to come together

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Speaker 7: and solve long standing communities.

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Speaker 2: So earlier in the week, the NLC chairman, he said, Katie,

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Speaker 2: my door is always open, but I didn't get invited

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Speaker 6: So I don't think there was a meeting last week,

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Speaker 6: so catch up.

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Speaker 7: What's happened is that will governments come together to go

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Speaker 7: what can we do.

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Speaker 2: So then if you're saying the NLC needs to come

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Speaker 7: That is the next step is to move into a

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Speaker 7: mediation phase in that area. That region needs a community solution.

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Speaker 7: This is the crisis and that we're talking about. We

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Speaker 7: should not need police going in these long standing family

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Speaker 7: feuds that we've seen in Peppy that we've seen in.

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Speaker 1: What is the issue is Like, I totally agree with you.

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Speaker 2: I do think that there obviously needs to be that

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Speaker 2: long standing feuds that have been going on for a

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Speaker 2: long time. They do need to get sorted out, and

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Speaker 2: that can only be done really with the elders, with

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Speaker 2: the support of the elders and everybody in the community.

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Speaker 1: But you've got people breaking the law.

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Speaker 7: You've got people shooting clear crosspost.

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Speaker 6: People are being arrested and they are going to jail.

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Speaker 3: We've spoken to.

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Speaker 6: And it's given court.

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Speaker 7: So the bail is given by the burt or the police.

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Speaker 6: Instantly go on bail.

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Speaker 7: There's bow that you're not giving any context to that bail.

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Speaker 7: It may have been their first offense. You have apps.

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Speaker 7: You are completely misleading in the space. You've been doing

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Speaker 7: it for years and.

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Speaker 1: Listening to heel it back a tiny bit here.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So there is a real sense in the community

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Speaker 2: right now though, and I've said this time and time again,

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Speaker 2: whether you're talking about Daily River, whether you're talking about

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Speaker 2: breaking the law, they're committing crimes, and that there isn't

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Speaker 2: a real consequence. And I know that there's more people

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Speaker 2: in jail than there's ever been before. I know that there's, yes,

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Speaker 2: there's people going to jail. But when you have then

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Speaker 2: got the likes of this group that I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to name, saying on social media what they're doing, sharing

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Speaker 2: a seat. Why is somebody out on bail and they've

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Speaker 6: And warrant for arrest?

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Speaker 8: This is the Laura and order.

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Speaker 6: You get a warrant for arrest.

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Speaker 7: Post that that's right.

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Speaker 4: And I think in this case, I mean these Austin,

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Speaker 4: who is the judge in this case, denied bail to

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Speaker 4: that person. Yeah, after the subsequent events, which was that

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Speaker 4: she had bailed him previously, and then you had the

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Speaker 4: you know, because he's going to be a good boy

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Speaker 4: and he's going to go here and someone's going to

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Speaker 4: look after him. And she said, nah, I'm not buying that.

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Speaker 4: I've given him a chance. He blew it and sorry,

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Speaker 4: he's going to be remarded in custody. I think the

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Speaker 4: problem we have, and we've discussed some of these cases

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Speaker 4: seven times and judges have repeatedly given them bail and

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Speaker 4: then they have subsequently terrorized members of the community. So

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Speaker 4: I think in this case, the judge has done absolutely

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Speaker 4: the right thing because because this is.

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Speaker 5: A danger courit.

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Speaker 3: Remember there's labor government. I had a bail review after

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Speaker 3: to the law after the bail review, so they've had

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Speaker 3: hear complaining and having to put up with these people

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Speaker 3: who are terrorizing the community because the government has failed

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Speaker 3: to act here to take a step back. This labor

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Speaker 3: government of being in powerful at ninety in our last

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Speaker 3: twenty years. This child probably even born when the labor

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Speaker 3: a generational thing, it's going to take time. How much

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Speaker 3: time do you need to give the labor government to

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Speaker 3: fix the community. They've had twenty years to do it.

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Speaker 6: That's not true. Cat been in government for.

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Speaker 1: Only as here.

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Speaker 7: I'll let you have a Goatie, Katie.

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Speaker 5: My cnrent was going to be back towards the Daily

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Speaker 5: River yes only. Yesterday I was calling the shopping center

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Speaker 5: and a friend of mine from olden days, a original fellow,

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Speaker 5: of semi retired, and he took his family out of

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Speaker 5: and grandkids, all that sort of stuff, and he said

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Speaker 5: it's just not safe. He said there's young pills and

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Speaker 5: he was very adamant. He said they've got to get

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Speaker 5: one of the old ladies is close to dying and

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Speaker 5: she wants to die in her community, so they've got

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Speaker 5: to take her home, but they're a bit worried, and

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Speaker 5: that that car that ran into the house part of

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Speaker 5: his family group and he said it's just not right,

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Speaker 5: and he was very adamant. But so I think it's

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Speaker 5: it's one thing to get the law and order under control,

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Speaker 5: but there's some other fundamental problem out here in that community,

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Speaker 5: whether it's to do with the clans fighting each other

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Speaker 5: or tit for tat and all that sort of that's

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Speaker 5: what has to get sorted out. The community itself is dysfunctional,

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Speaker 5: and there's two components as I see. There's the young

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Speaker 5: people running breaking in law continuously and no consequences, and

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Speaker 5: I do believe that. But there's the other part of

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Speaker 5: both dysfunctional, and that's what needs to be sought out.

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Speaker 5: And that's what's a whole of everyone, but particularly the community. Well,

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Speaker 5: they're like what structures do they have out there to

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Speaker 5: deal with these kind of things, Like clearly, if there's

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Speaker 5: circuit breaker, because otherwise today it's what I am daily

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Speaker 1: Well, and we are seeing issues.

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Speaker 2: We are certainly seeing issues right across the Northern Territory

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Speaker 5: Now, more importantly, they are not fielding annual reports an auditory.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Now, earlier this week, the Northern Territory Chief Minister said

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Speaker 6: Correct And can I say, Katie, I was there. I

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Speaker 7: We worked very very hard with Tangier too Fun to

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Speaker 6: But our target for that program was older kids that

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Speaker 7: It clearly wasn't discouraging kids, it wasn't keeping them on

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Speaker 7: And Langolant Reports said, you need to look at grants

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Speaker 7: For example, with the Men's Behavior Change Program, we've evaluated

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Speaker 6: But in this space they had failed to meet their KPIs.

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Speaker 7: We evaluated it, and I think territories want to know

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Speaker 7: that's where it needs to work.

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Speaker 1: I mean, are you brave enough to ask them though?

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Speaker 6: That it doesn't matter? That is with ORIC as well,

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Speaker 6: Millions of dollars. So ORIC is the federal government.

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Speaker 7: They get most of their funding is from the federal government,

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Speaker 4: The other question I think people are asking. Kate and

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Speaker 8: A council's board.

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Speaker 6: So that's been taken up with them, and.

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Speaker 8: That has been taken up and it has been taken

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Speaker 7: Yes, so you'll know that Scott McConnell is currently working,

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Speaker 8: Because believes that that's unacceptable.

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Speaker 6: I absolutely believe it's totally unacceptable.

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Speaker 3: I'm just worried. It's just a tip of the iceburg.

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Speaker 3: What other taxpayer funded programs are out there getting paid

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Speaker 3: You go there now. I went there just recently and

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Speaker 8: Let this lab.

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Speaker 3: We're going to let it happen. Since twenty nineteen, no reports,

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Speaker 2: You're aware of the non compliance in terms of filing

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Speaker 7: Happens with us is that you give them a grant

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Speaker 7: Every grant that goes out from government. Langlance said that

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Speaker 7: So we go through a grant process overall. Because they're

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Speaker 1: Be able that it's a revelation.

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Speaker 6: Though I don't chase down their annual reports each year.

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Speaker 7: What I do is I understand, yes exactly, so I

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Speaker 8: Though it probably is an indication that we do need

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Speaker 4: I mean, they've been the call for the audits and

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Speaker 4: it's like but like that that's something that we should

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Speaker 8: If it's receiving that sort of money.

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Speaker 7: And they are acquitting their money though, and they are

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Speaker 4: Annual report, which includes the financials that are in an

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Speaker 8: Should be a key part.

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Speaker 4: You know, it should be an absolute bare minimum of

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Speaker 2: That song I actually thought it was to any organization

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Speaker 1: So that's whereon with.

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Speaker 7: Money from lots of places, and their predominant funder is

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Speaker 6: So we fund them and we give them grants and

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Speaker 6: they acquit them.

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Speaker 7: That's their job, and we need to look at those

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Speaker 7: with ORIC, which is a federal government organization, and ORIC

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Speaker 2: So how much and territory government provide like you, guys,

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Speaker 2: So you're totally satisfied that they are reporting to you

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Speaker 6: Terms or that they're focuses that we give them grants for.

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Speaker 7: I am very satisfied that we've given them those grants

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Speaker 7: men's behavior change program. So I've never met more dedicated

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Speaker 7: I am very satisfied with the work that Tang is

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Speaker 4: The only other thing I was going to raise was

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Speaker 7: That's what they should be reporting that to OURIC if

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Speaker 7: that's the case. I've been to Tang and I've had

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Speaker 2: But you don't think that they need to be meeting

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Speaker 7: Well, if Alice Springs Council is a funder of a service.

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Speaker 7: So another example of what TANG does is they run

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure what money the town council might put in,

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Speaker 6: And we have a whole range of there or people in.

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Speaker 2: We are going to have to wrap up for We're

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Speaker 2: going to have to take a very quick break. You

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was.

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Speaker 2: If you've just joined us, Jared Maylee, Matt Cunningham, Keziapurican,

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Speaker 2: Now it's been a big week when you talk about gas,

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Speaker 2: and we know that the federal government yesterday came out

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Speaker 2: and said that gas is going to be a key

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Speaker 2: energy source through to twenty fifty and beyond and play

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Speaker 2: a critical role in helping Australia meet its net zero

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Speaker 2: target while providing cheap and reliable power. Now that's according

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Speaker 2: to the new blueprint aimed at cementing the gas's role.

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Speaker 1: I guess in our future energy meetings.

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Speaker 3: He's always supported the gas up here and bring it

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Speaker 3: on the cob government has only just stated what we're well,

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Speaker 3: I can't speak for everyone listening, but.

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Speaker 5: What we've all known, you know, you cannot get away

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Speaker 5: from the fact that we are going to need this

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Speaker 5: we want to move forward economically with major projects that

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Speaker 5: is formalize what we've all known all along, and the

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Speaker 5: Betloo is the classic. And see the other thing too, Katie,

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Speaker 5: is this is what we know that we've got right now.

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Speaker 5: There is nothing to suggest geologically that there's not a

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Speaker 8: What we know is five hundred trillion cubic feet, which

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Speaker 5: Just to put a perspective for people listening, black tip,

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Speaker 5: one trillion cubic feet? All right, And that's looked after

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Speaker 5: is the five hundred give take Trulli in cubic feet,

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Speaker 5: So wh to five hundred one service the whole of

443
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Speaker 5: the territory.

444
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Speaker 1: As well, you know, So Los Resources and.

445
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Speaker 5: Those those poor bastards on the Eastern seaboard who suffering,

446
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,560
Speaker 5: who are running out and have development. Yeah, I mean

447
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:00,639
Speaker 5: where those trendy places.

448
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,320
Speaker 8: Look at what's happened now.

449
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Speaker 4: So you've got these inner city and labor and pas

450
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Speaker 4: in Melbourne, Josh Burns, Jed Carney. They're worried obviously about

451
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Speaker 4: the fact that the Greens are going to take their seats.

452
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Speaker 4: I think in Josh Burn's seat at the last election,

453
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Speaker 4: Label was thirty two on the primary and the Greens

454
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,879
Speaker 4: were thirty So you can understand why they're worried.

455
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,480
Speaker 8: But they're coming out and saying no, no, no, no, no.

456
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Speaker 4: Well that's you know, it's very easy if you live

457
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Speaker 4: in Melbourne and you know, in a nice affluent part

458
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Speaker 4: of Melbourne and everyone's got a well paid job, and

459
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Speaker 4: you know, you don't have any of the social issues

460
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Speaker 4: that we see here, and you can go and be

461
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Speaker 4: on this great and Victoria.

462
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Speaker 6: But Victoria is now saying no more domestic connections.

463
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Speaker 5: No more domestic it's just intasingly enough.

464
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Speaker 7: Their number of connections is still going up outside of

465
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Speaker 7: domestic connections. So the era of gas, if you're like,

466
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Speaker 7: is you know, we can call it transitional. We are

467
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Speaker 7: going to need gas. It's a fact we're going to

468
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 7: need gas for quite a period of time to be

469
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Speaker 7: able to get to the renewable stage because it's a

470
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Speaker 7: very expensive exercise and the territory needs its own source revenue.

471
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Speaker 6: And I've said this repeatedly.

472
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Speaker 7: We have got those social problems and I've heard you

473
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Speaker 7: say that, Matt, and it's so very clear. Own source

474
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 7: revenue is an ability that enables us to have that

475
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Speaker 7: ability to address some of those longer standing issues. But

476
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Speaker 7: I've also been talking, you know, as the Energy Minister,

477
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Speaker 7: with a lot of prospective gas people here in the

478
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Speaker 7: territory and what they've been very very clear about is

479
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 7: that they actually really enjoy working with our government. They

480
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Speaker 7: enjoy working with the labor government here in the territory

481
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Speaker 7: because our rules and guidelines are really clear, whether they

482
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Speaker 7: like them or not. You know, Joel from tambour And

483
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Speaker 7: said to me extremely clearly, and I know he won't

484
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Speaker 7: mind me sharing. He said, it's just so clear in

485
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,919
Speaker 7: the territory what we've got to do, what improvals we need,

486
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Speaker 7: what the processes are, and they're really enjoying working with us.

487
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Speaker 6: So we've made it very clear that.

488
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Speaker 8: The environment.

489
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Speaker 4: You've put us at least two years behind otherwise clear that.

490
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Speaker 8: A section of your own party on Monday holding up

491
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Speaker 8: their signs.

492
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Speaker 4: You know.

493
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Speaker 7: Have done everything by the Northern territory and we have

494
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Speaker 7: also made sure like even if you didn't like the moratorium,

495
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Speaker 7: we were very clear coming into government that that's one

496
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Speaker 7: of the things that we were going to do.

497
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Speaker 6: We got elected on that we did the moratorium.

498
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Speaker 4: But what we have now press Combs just before she

499
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Speaker 4: resigned whether she supported the Santos Barosso project and she

500
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Speaker 4: could not say yes.

501
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Speaker 7: So can I also say we now have a three

502
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Speaker 7: year baseline study about what the territory is environmental actually

503
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Speaker 7: looks like.

504
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Speaker 1: Government You can say what you like because you know

505
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Speaker 1: how to see your peg.

506
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Speaker 6: Government would have come every corner and.

507
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Speaker 7: We want an environmental disaster on our hands and CELP

508
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Speaker 7: have said they will cut everything all the way through,

509
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Speaker 7: cut a look times, cut all the environmental But what

510
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Speaker 7: we now know.

511
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Speaker 1: Is a good thing.

512
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Speaker 2: What is a good thing is that we know now

513
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Speaker 2: that Madeline King has said that really A key proposal

514
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: in the Future Strategy being released on Thursday urges the

515
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Speaker 2: government to consider tough use it or lose it powers

516
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Speaker 2: that would compel energy giants to more swiftly develop gas

517
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Speaker 2: assets or risk losing their title holdings.

518
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Speaker 1: I mean, Katie that we've got it here ready to go.

519
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Speaker 5: Well, that brings in the big issue of sovereign risk. Now,

520
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Speaker 5: the Queensland government did that many many moons ago when

521
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Speaker 5: Pinochet over their head leases and they weren't doing what

522
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Speaker 5: they said they do And so isn't it with it

523
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Speaker 5: there's another word for it. Yeah, it's basically that you

524
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Speaker 5: hold the land to lock everyone else out. Now it's

525
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Speaker 5: it's not a bad concept when they're storing or whatever

526
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Speaker 5: would you say, real estating, thank you, that's the word

527
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Speaker 5: land banking. So but it brings the big issue of

528
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Speaker 5: sovereign risk. And when the Annual Phrase Institute puts out

529
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Speaker 5: their report, that's one thing that this country doesn't suffer from.

530
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Speaker 5: So from a national government, they've got to be very careful.

531
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Speaker 5: It's like reservation policies. They've got to be very careful

532
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Speaker 5: not to put us in that position, otherwise investors will

533
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Speaker 5: not come to our country.

534
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Speaker 2: One of the questions I'm getting from the listeners for

535
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Speaker 2: the COLP is is the CLP if you are elected

536
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Speaker 2: are you going to make sure that the Northern Territory

537
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Speaker 2: is put first when it comes to gas and keeping

538
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Speaker 2: gas for us those reservations here for us first rather

539
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Speaker 2: than going off to other states.

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Speaker 3: Look, what we want to do is we want to

541
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Speaker 3: make sure that these people and these companies come to

542
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Speaker 3: the territory to do their spend their money and bring

543
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Speaker 3: the employees, bring all their workers with them ava so

544
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Speaker 3: that we can get some benefit out of it. And

545
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Speaker 3: we definitely need to get the gas here and get

546
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Speaker 3: it flying. Unfortunately, I know Kate just had a great

547
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Speaker 3: spell of house. You supported gas, but we're in our

548
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Speaker 3: eight years behind because of the labor government. Remember we

549
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 3: were ready to go and if.

550
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Speaker 5: That supports gas, But the rest of the.

551
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Speaker 3: ASMAS Matt said, they're they're out there on the last

552
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 3: week with any gas and the Chief Minister and I

553
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 3: think a few others were out there with in front

554
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Speaker 3: of it.

555
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Speaker 2: So so with the CLP, are you going to make

556
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Speaker 2: sure that there's reserves for the Northern Territory.

557
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: Look, we're going to change. We are in rationing to

558
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 3: have the taxing works because it's about own source revenue.

559
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Speaker 3: So we want to make sure that they that they

560
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Speaker 3: pay their taxes so we get their own source revenue.

561
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Speaker 3: And whether it's weather, it's so confused.

562
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Speaker 1: So that does that mean that you're going to keep

563
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Speaker 1: some for the NT.

564
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Speaker 3: We're going to make sure that we keep enough the

565
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Speaker 3: tax for us so we can spend it in hospitals

566
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Speaker 3: and we can spend it.

567
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Speaker 4: You don't think that some of that gas, some of

568
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Speaker 4: the should stay here. There should be a requirement like

569
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Speaker 4: in w A. I think it's we probably don't need

570
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Speaker 4: that much now.

571
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Speaker 3: We don't need that much of it some of it,

572
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Speaker 3: so will the CLP reserves.

573
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Speaker 8: So guess for domestic consumption we are.

574
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Speaker 3: Going to we're going to make sure we get our

575
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Speaker 3: own source revenue out of the tax and then we

576
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Speaker 3: can spend that money here.

577
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Speaker 6: No, but that that is what about terror manifact?

578
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Speaker 3: So Katie, I think we want to make sure that

579
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Speaker 3: it comes into here and it's ready to go.

580
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Speaker 6: Ready, it's our gas, it's our gas.

581
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Speaker 5: Reservation policies by a state or territory of which we're

582
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 5: one is always a controversial and a very difficult subject

583
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Speaker 5: to have with industry. Clearly industry doesn't want to have

584
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Speaker 5: a reservation policy, and they fought really hard in WA

585
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Speaker 5: way back whenever. It's not to use the gas necessarily,

586
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 5: it's the gas to be there if you need it. Yeah,

587
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 5: Like it's not that we're going to tap in Tambarin's gas.

588
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 5: We need fifteen percent of your gas to come into

589
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Speaker 5: our pipelines. That's not what it's about. It's about using

590
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 5: the gas if you need to have the gas and

591
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Speaker 5: enable future developments to go ahead that require a lot

592
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Speaker 5: of energy. As I said, But it's something I mean

593
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 5: if I was the COLP, I half support reservation policy

594
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 5: and half not because of an industry perspective. But you

595
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Speaker 5: would go and talk with the industry and then the

596
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Speaker 5: question would be, has the Anti government in all their

597
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 5: discussions with Tambran talked about a reservation policy and have

598
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Speaker 5: they got a percentage in mind?

599
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Speaker 1: Well, and I think it is an expectation of audience

600
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: and I get it, like I get that.

601
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Speaker 2: You know, it needs to be commercially viable for for

602
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: any company to do business with us here in the

603
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: Northern Territory Territorians gas reserve right right.

604
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 7: We need gas here so that manufacturing and middle the

605
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 7: whole of Middle arm, those sorts of things need will

606
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 7: need gas here from the territory.

607
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 6: This is our own resource.

608
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 7: So you need to make sure that in any negotiations

609
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 7: that you have with gas companies, whether it's Empire, it's

610
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 7: tambourin any of those, that there's gas here for.

611
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 6: That invites industry to come.

612
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 7: So you want actually businesses into state to pick up,

613
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 7: pack up, come to the Northern Territory, base themselves here

614
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 7: because it's got cheaper energy.

615
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 6: That's what's important.

616
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Speaker 2: Now.

617
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Speaker 1: Look, one of the other parts of the discussion throughout this.

618
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Speaker 8: Week, do you support the gas industry?

619
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Speaker 6: Absolutely?

620
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Speaker 8: There just a highlight problem with your party because we

621
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Speaker 8: asked one of your colleagues.

622
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Speaker 3: Very different right, So what I'm saying is that.

623
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Speaker 6: In the Labour Party you don't have everybody with the

624
00:27:59,040 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 6: same ideology.

625
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 7: What matters is our positions that come out prior to elections,

626
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 7: positions that come out of cabinet.

627
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Speaker 2: So but it does get like, it gets confusing for

628
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 2: voters then though, because they're getting told one thing when

629
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: they you know, when somebody knocks on their door or

630
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 2: they're getting.

631
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: Told, oh look, God don't.

632
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Speaker 6: Really support it.

633
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 7: But the policy actions is that in the recent deal

634
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 7: that we have done and negotiated with Tamboran that we

635
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 7: believe and that we've got gas here in the Northern

636
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 7: Territory and territory and should benefit. It provides us an

637
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 7: opportunity for an owned source revenue and that's so important

638
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 7: to us as a government. We need to be able

639
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 7: to step forward with that and have that courage in

640
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 7: partnership with the gas industry. But the bit that's really

641
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 7: missing here is what we've said is here are the guidelines.

642
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 7: And that's what the point You thought I was being

643
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 7: slicked before, but I'm going to say it again. Industry

644
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 7: like all of the parameters that we give them. They

645
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 7: like the guidelines they've got, they like the clarity, they

646
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 7: like the processes. They know that they've got to go

647
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 7: through the environmental processes and they're very very clear, and

648
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 7: that's why they like doing business of our labor government.

649
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: Matt.

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Speaker 4: I'm just going to I guess, I guess the worry

651
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 4: for voters going into an election though, is that you

652
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 4: know is Will Will the Labor party that at the

653
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 4: moment has a chief Minute that's absolutely pro gas, pro resources.

654
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 4: But you know two years after the election, if Labour

655
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Speaker 4: won the election, is there going to be some factional

656
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 4: shift within Labor and suddenly they're going to be banning

657
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 4: every fossil new fossil fuel projects, shutting down Middle arm

658
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 4: you know, et cetera, et cetera. Because there are people

659
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 4: within your party, Kate, who are very much of that view.

660
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Speaker 3: Chief Minister in three in six months. So you're exactly

661
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: hitting the nail on the head because they changed quite

662
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 3: quick reguly with the c ORP.

663
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Speaker 6: We are committee and one hundred your colleagues are, well,

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Speaker 6: we're doing right now. We're party gets locked in. You

665
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Speaker 6: can see the direction that we're going. Very clear.

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Speaker 1: We'll keep moving because we're fast running out of time.

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Speaker 1: But Matt, I know that you have.

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Speaker 2: You've got a story running I believe today that talks

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Speaker 2: about some of the situations that we've seen. I think

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Speaker 2: when you talk about the delays to some of these

671
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Speaker 2: major projects as well, and what feels like sometimes sort

672
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Speaker 2: of seagulls swooping in and you know, I guess, rejecting

673
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Speaker 2: some of the projects that we might be able to

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Speaker 2: get off the ground and having a huge impact then

675
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Speaker 2: to locals.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a really interesting Darwin Mining Club lunch

677
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Speaker 4: yesterday that was hosted by Catherine Tillmouth, who is the

678
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Speaker 4: head of the Minerals Council of Australia here and we

679
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Speaker 4: heard from Ken Whyitet, the former Minister for Indigenous Australians,

680
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Speaker 4: Marian Scrimjer, the Labor MP and Wayne Bergman, who was

681
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Speaker 4: the CEO of the Kimberly Land Council Katie when the

682
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Speaker 4: James price Point development was put forward on the Kimberley coast,

683
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Speaker 4: and every one of those people spoke about their frustration

684
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Speaker 4: at activists coming in and basically hijacking Aboriginal people to

685
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Speaker 4: further their own cause.

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Speaker 6: So for a long time, Matten definitely here in the two.

687
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Speaker 4: And Wayne Bergman talked about the situation at James price Point.

688
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Speaker 4: He was the head of the Kimberly Land Council. He

689
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Speaker 4: had done six years of negotiation with the fifty four

690
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Speaker 4: different Aboriginal clan groups out there, fifty.

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Speaker 8: Two of which had got on board with what they

692
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Speaker 8: were doing.

693
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Speaker 4: Negotiating with the WA government and with Woodside. He'd secured

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Speaker 4: a deal that was going to deliver one point four

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Speaker 4: billion dollars in benefits to those people.

696
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Speaker 8: And then at the eleventh hour the.

697
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Speaker 4: Activists got on board, sided with a couple of disgruntled

698
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Speaker 4: people and had that development stopped and just to quote him.

699
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Speaker 4: He said, the environmental groups and the media picked individual

700
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Speaker 4: people who were not happy and galvanized their views about

701
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Speaker 4: quote traditional owners say no, Well we had a vote.

702
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Speaker 4: There was three hundred traditional owners who turned up to

703
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Speaker 4: vote and sixty four percent voted yes. Marion Scrimser also

704
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Speaker 4: talked about the recent situation on the Tiwi Islands with

705
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Speaker 4: Santos and the Barossa project. She said it was with

706
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Speaker 4: some crankiness that I was watching certain people being called

707
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Speaker 4: tee wee elders and traditional owners and they had very

708
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Speaker 4: little connection to the Tiwi Islands. She went on and

709
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Speaker 4: said that she criticized the Greens and other environmental groups,

710
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Speaker 4: who she says, for their own means, will use Aboriginal

711
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Speaker 4: people to be able to run a narrative that for

712
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Speaker 4: the Eastern Seaboard feeds in really well, that Aboriginal people

713
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Speaker 4: don't want development and that Aboriginal people are.

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Speaker 8: Against all of this. She said, that's just simply not true.

715
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Speaker 2: How do you ever get to the point where where

716
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Speaker 2: this isn't an issue, because you know the majority of

717
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Speaker 2: Indigenous people if they're saying that they do want something,

718
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Speaker 2: but then it's getting hijacked by activists. That's a really

719
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Speaker 2: difficult scenario for any government or any organizations.

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Speaker 4: Discussed today as well was the process that has to

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Speaker 4: be done before any of these projects gets off the ground,

722
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Speaker 4: which is.

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Speaker 8: A real consult.

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Speaker 5: But Katie, this is not new. When the Jabaluka project

725
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 5: was trying to get developed, there were busloads of people

726
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Speaker 5: come up from down south and I am girlfriend down

727
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 5: there and her kids at university, and the notices went

728
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Speaker 5: up around the university at that time saying it's winter,

729
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Speaker 5: do you want to come to the Northern Territory for

730
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Speaker 5: a holiday. We need some protesters out at Jabluka and

731
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Speaker 5: her daughter took a photo and send it to the mum,

732
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Speaker 5: all that sort of stuff, So I know that's what happened.

733
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Speaker 5: Though those protesters out that Jabluka were not from the territory,

734
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Speaker 5: and the SAME's happened with, you know, some of the

735
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Speaker 5: people out at the Lee Point thing. When we've got

736
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Speaker 5: our own protesters, you know, we don't need your bloody help,

737
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Speaker 5: you know.

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Speaker 1: And that's I've got no issue with nothing with actual territory.

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Speaker 5: They should be called out in the.

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Speaker 8: Fraud that they are.

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Speaker 4: And in the Santos case, you had a lawyer from

742
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Speaker 4: the Environmental Defender's Office and an academic from the University

743
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Speaker 4: of Western Australia who, according to the Federal Court judge,

744
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Speaker 4: manipulated and distorted the views of the Aboriginal people out there.

745
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Speaker 4: Marian Scrimmager called that out yesterday too. She said, to

746
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Speaker 4: have a university external to the Northern Territory mislead and

747
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Speaker 4: to provide information into the court about that has certainly

748
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Speaker 4: hurt a lot of the Tea we elders and my

749
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Speaker 4: mob and they come in and do this and then

750
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Speaker 4: there's been absolutely no consequence.

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Speaker 2: Kadi.

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Speaker 8: That's for that university or that academic and it's.

753
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Speaker 5: A uniform right, which is you know, university. They have

754
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Speaker 5: to be called out, that's the first things, for being

755
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Speaker 5: the frauds that they are. And also US territory people

756
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 5: getting fed up with these people from the Eastern Seaboard

757
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Speaker 5: who come up and want to protect the noble savages

758
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Speaker 5: because we can't do it. I'm using that as a quote.

759
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Speaker 5: That's what's been using a quote previously, like why are

760
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Speaker 5: they using Aboriginal people, as you said, Matt, for their

761
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Speaker 5: own cause, as if the original people don't have voices

762
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Speaker 5: of their own. Of course, they've got bloody voices of

763
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Speaker 5: their own.

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Speaker 3: And one of the things that we want to make

765
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Speaker 3: sure they're for some certainty for business. So if you

766
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Speaker 3: get an approval, you've got an approval, it's done and

767
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Speaker 3: it's ready to go legal approval. And we're not saying

768
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Speaker 3: cut any corners with making sure you've got to follow

769
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Speaker 3: all the steps. But once you've got that approval, we

770
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Speaker 3: want to make sure because what happens to because they

771
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Speaker 3: don't do it and get that approval, then they go

772
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Speaker 3: and look for their final investment, then they get the investors.

773
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Speaker 3: Nothing worse than getting the approvals going and getting the

774
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Speaker 3: money to do it, and then coming back and have

775
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Speaker 3: to say, well what about this about that?

776
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Speaker 6: Have you got executive that happened? Jaredy, you're just saying

777
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Speaker 6: that that you know you need.

778
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Speaker 8: That that could happen.

779
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Speaker 3: Well, look at Santai. So we're giving approve, what about

780
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Speaker 3: the point that was approved and now hasn't. So there's

781
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Speaker 3: two examples. You see, there's two examples up and it

782
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 3: really goes to show that we're talking about Katie about

783
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 3: business certainty. Unfortunately they have a government they seem to

784
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: not have that. We need to make sure that business

785
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Speaker 3: keep We really need to make sure that businesses have

786
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 3: certainly in duty to do business, and we need to

787
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Speaker 3: make sure crime is under control, which.

788
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Speaker 8: Is not whole it does.

789
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Speaker 2: So the CLP is trying to sort of try, you know,

790
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Speaker 2: with you, with you policies that are now being announced

791
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Speaker 2: and leading to an election that business is front of mind.

792
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Speaker 2: I know that it was announced earlier in the week

793
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Speaker 2: tax cuts for small businesses as part of a major

794
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: election pitch ahead of territories heading to the polls. So intellected,

795
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Speaker 2: the CLP is going to raise the payroll tax free

796
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: threshold for the first time in thirteen years, from the

797
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: current rate of one point five to two point five

798
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Speaker 2: million dollars.

799
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Speaker 1: What do we make of this announcement?

800
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Speaker 3: Ultimately, it's a great dollars, a great an, It's a

801
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 3: great announcement for this business. Your opportunity, So this is

802
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: a great going.

803
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Speaker 2: To let everybody calm down and give each other an

804
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: opportunity to speak, all right, Jared.

805
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you. So that this is a great opportunity

806
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Speaker 3: for businesses in the Northern Territory to be able to

807
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 3: grow the business and expand the business. Because right now

808
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 3: we know that at one point five you've got to

809
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 3: start paying payroll tax, which is basically a tax on progress.

810
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 3: You can't get your business anymore than that because you

811
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 3: have to start paying. And that's a big impact on

812
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 3: business to what we want to do. And I don't

813
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 3: think it's been raised for some thirteen years. Labor government

814
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 3: has been in power for nineteen to that and they

815
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: haven't done anything. So we want to make sure years

816
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: we need this government to fail the business. So we

817
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 3: want to make sure that you can grow your business

818
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 3: here in Northern Territory. Because remember, the first thing I

819
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: want to do is get the crime on and control.

820
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Speaker 3: We want need the people to come here. We need

821
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 3: those workers to come here. But we also want to

822
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 3: make sure that these businesses have got an opportunity to

823
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Speaker 3: grow their businesses. And remember trainees and apprentices are exempt

824
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Speaker 3: because we want to make sure that they grow their

825
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: own trainees here in our own apprentices. So if you're

826
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Speaker 3: a young fellow or a young lady and you want

827
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 3: to get in there, you can go and go and

828
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: get a job. It's not going to affect the tax

829
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 3: that these businesses.

830
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Speaker 2: It is going to be I mean it is going

831
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Speaker 2: to be costly, like fifty odd million times to be

832
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Speaker 2: able to do it.

833
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 3: Forty three is it?

834
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Speaker 2: But well, let's you know, forty three fifty two, I

835
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: mean there's quite a big however, holding the is it

836
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: actually a move in the right direction in terms of

837
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: business confidence? I mean we spoke to the to the

838
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 2: Chamber of Commerce yesterday. This is something that they said

839
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 2: was on their wish list.

840
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Speaker 5: So let's be really clear.

841
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Speaker 7: If it's been in for thirteen years, then the Coop

842
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 7: government were in for four of those years. The last

843
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 7: time around they didn't change it, So Rich what were

844
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 7: you doing in that four years that you didn't change

845
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 7: it then. But the other thing is that one point

846
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 7: five we are equal second highest in terms of threshold

847
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Speaker 7: in the nation, so we've already got a high threshold

848
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 7: and this will create a fifty two million dollar hole

849
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Speaker 7: in the budget. So my question to Jared is what

850
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Speaker 7: are you going to do to fill the hole in

851
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Speaker 7: the budget of fifty two million dollars? And we saw

852
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Speaker 7: before let me finish because you made me question, so yeah.

853
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Speaker 4: We do know.

854
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what you can do.

855
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Speaker 7: Your sack teacher, sacked nurses, You'll sack all the frontline

856
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 7: officers that you did last time, because we know that.

857
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 5: When they have a hole in their budget what they

858
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 5: do with sack people.

859
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Speaker 1: What about the ad there's a whole.

860
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Speaker 5: They don't even have a very.

861
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 6: Big hole in their bucket, and they're going to sack

862
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Speaker 6: people in.

863
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Speaker 4: Order to Anybody's a really relevant point here though, right,

864
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Speaker 4: because if you're talking about the budget situation, like the

865
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Speaker 4: biggest train on the budget, the public is the public service,

866
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Speaker 4: and the only way we can fix it long term

867
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Speaker 4: is to move people out of public sector jobs and

868
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Speaker 4: into private sector jobs, and not nurses and teachers and police.

869
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Speaker 4: That's because of the public service that works in administration

870
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 4: and management roles, according to the Langolant.

871
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Speaker 8: Report, and it's a massive problem that no one wants

872
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 8: to deal with.

873
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 4: The way the only way to deal with the long

874
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 4: term structural problem is to move people out of public

875
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 4: sector work and into private sector work. And to do

876
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 4: that you need well paid private sector jobs. So the

877
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 4: payroll tax change is perhaps one way of doing it.

878
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 4: I see all of the opposition that's come out straight

879
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 4: away about the plan for the stadium with the AFL team,

880
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 4: but you think about what's being spent here, seven hundred

881
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 4: million bucks or whatever that they're talking about with the stadium,

882
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 4: with which the NT would probably pay a third in

883
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 4: a deal with the federal government and the a f L.

884
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 4: So you're talking about maybe two hundred and fifty million bucks. Well,

885
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Speaker 4: we spent that much money on the Palmerston Hospital, which

886
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 4: has just delivered us an ongoing cost burden.

887
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 8: That continues and continues and continues and gets worse every year.

888
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 8: We needed.

889
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: We need.

890
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Speaker 3: To make sure we are not going to at any

891
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 3: public jobs. What we're going to do is make it

892
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 3: attrack them in private enterprise to be able to those

893
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 3: people come across. We're going to generate so there is

894
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: going to be an opportunity for these people who are

895
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: enterprise if they choose to to come across it. And

896
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Speaker 3: we're going to make sure business has got Certainly we're

897
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Speaker 3: going to grow the private enterprise to be able to

898
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: bring these people. We want to empower the public service.

899
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Speaker 3: We want to make sure they do a great job.

900
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Speaker 3: We want to make sure they're going to do they've

901
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 3: got some no to we want to make sure they've

902
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: got you, they've got the power, they've got the decision,

903
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 3: they've got the support to make decisions and move forward. Look,

904
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Speaker 3: you want to make sure that there's some business were today.

905
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Speaker 2: Get cut a very quick break because I cannot end

906
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Speaker 2: the morning without you guys talking about Holts. So we're

907
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Speaker 2: going to have to take a very quick break. You

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Speaker 2: are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was.

910
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Speaker 2: But I tell you what, we can't wrap up this

911
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: morning without talking about the situation with the Northern Territory government.

912
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 2: Obviously some of the budget commitments flowing through this week

913
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Speaker 2: ahead of next week's budget being handed down, and two

914
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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars is going to be invested in the

915
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Speaker 2: budget to get more land ready for new.

916
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Speaker 1: Housing and developments.

917
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Speaker 2: So Darwin's next residential land release has reached another milestone.

918
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Speaker 2: The Chief Minister sees announcing the developer for the Holts

919
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Speaker 2: and land release is Holtz Land Company Pty Ltd. So

920
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Speaker 2: that's the developer for Holts. I mean five hundred and

921
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: fifty lots is what we're being told is going to

922
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Speaker 2: be established within the first tranch of the development, with

923
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Speaker 2: the wider urban development known as the Greater Holtz Area,

924
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: having the potential to service eleven thousand.

925
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 5: And that's where people they get interviewed. They got people

926
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Speaker 5: thought in Finnish it wasn't explained properly. The eleven thousand

927
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Speaker 5: is proposed for Holts and co Ownder, which as you

928
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Speaker 5: go down the Howd Springs Road, it's the land on

929
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Speaker 5: the left that Defense still owns. And the government knows

930
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 5: this because I've done questions on notice and it's not

931
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Speaker 5: Department of Defense owns now, it's Department of Finance at

932
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Speaker 5: the Commonwealth level and the government if they want that land,

933
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Speaker 5: we'll have to buy it. And it's about two in

934
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Speaker 5: old terms two thousand acres, having many hectares, that is,

935
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Speaker 5: it's a big chunk of land and a big land

936
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Speaker 5: that needs servicing. But the Holtz land is the land

937
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Speaker 5: behind and around the Lichfield Hospital, which is located in

938
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Speaker 5: the Litchfield Council Litchfield Hospital.

939
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Speaker 1: The Palmerston region.

940
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Speaker 8: It's the Palmestan campus of the Royal Darland Hospital Spinatie.

941
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 5: The problem, the problem, I mean, I mean it's going

942
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 5: to happen one way or the other's going to happen.

943
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 5: But what my concern has been as a resident nearby,

944
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Speaker 5: and clearly I've got a vested interest, is every time

945
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Speaker 5: we have had a meeting with the public servants and

946
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Speaker 5: the consultants who are meant to communicate things to us

947
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Speaker 5: in this case very badly. Uh is they keep changing?

948
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Speaker 5: First of all, it was going to be one hectare lots.

949
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Speaker 5: Then there was going to be a two hundred meter

950
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 5: buffer between any development and my neighbors. And now we

951
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 5: find out there's a bit big bloody transmission line going

952
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 5: through that buffer which is shrunk. Then we also find

953
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Speaker 5: out that there's going to be major sewerage lines going

954
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 5: down the Taylor Road residents, which means land clearing, which

955
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Speaker 5: means disturbance. And I get it those kind of things

956
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Speaker 5: that needed. These are needed, but the transmission line is

957
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 5: going nowhere. And we asked them, they said, it's just

958
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Speaker 5: therefore now we'll take it away in seven years time.

959
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 5: Who's going to remember in seven years time that they

960
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Speaker 5: should take away a transmission line on my neighbour's back door.

961
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Speaker 5: And that's what they said at the community.

962
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 3: I think I agree with it's going to go ahead,

963
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 3: but it needs to make sure it's in line with

964
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 3: community expectation, and community expectation is not another little so

965
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 3: coldly you know, one road down. We need to make

966
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 3: sure that it's in the rural area. I need to

967
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Speaker 3: stay in the rural areas. I want to get that clear.

968
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: But it needs to be a development which has got

969
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Speaker 3: to rural feel to it.

970
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Speaker 5: So the other thing is there's there's an escarpment that

971
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 5: runs through that land and it's also a creek. Now

972
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 5: they cannot be developed upon. That's the first thing. There's

973
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 5: also those titanium plants and they did say they've set

974
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 5: aside a piece of land. I said, well, why don't

975
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 5: you build, why don't you commit to adell? I know

976
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 5: this Titanian it's a little plant thingy that's rare and endangered.

977
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 5: I know we're not doing adell because of the plant,

978
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 5: but we'll develop holes. We don't care about the plant

979
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 5: it holes, So you know, it just doesn't make sense.

980
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 5: So ad a piece of land to protect it, but

981
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 5: couldn't tell us how they're going to protect these little

982
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 5: precious plants. And they are special, you know, And so.

983
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Speaker 7: We are.

984
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Speaker 2: We're going to have to We're gonna have to get

985
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Speaker 2: ready to take a break, but very quickly before I do.

986
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 2: And should I mean should it fall under this development

987
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Speaker 2: under the Palmerston City Council or set up with.

988
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 5: This bloody discussion. Just piss off Palmerston.

989
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 7: This is.

990
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Speaker 1: Wonderful parliston listeners that list to.

991
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 5: The field Council has the land in its boundaries. They're

992
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 5: quite capable of servicing it. We've got small blocks at Coolinger,

993
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 5: we've got units at Coolinger, we've got small blocks at

994
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 5: Howard Springs, small blocks and developments that humpt you do.

995
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Speaker 5: They are very capable. The fact that they might be

996
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 5: a flat rate system, that's what annoys Parmesan Council because

997
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Speaker 5: they are on unimproved capital value and flat rate is

998
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 5: what literal councils want.

999
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Speaker 8: We should stay.

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Speaker 3: I'm just backing that up. I agree completely.

1001
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 7: Yeah cause you do, Jared, because your candidate for that

1002
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 7: area is on the council.

1003
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Speaker 6: The Literal Council.

1004
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Speaker 3: Declared that the contact of interest divisions.

1005
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Speaker 2: Let's take a really quick break for before we wrap

1006
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: up for the morning. You are listening to Mix one

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Speaker 2: O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you what.

1009
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Speaker 2: We've run out of time in this hour and it's

1010
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: been a busy morning it always is in here. We've

1011
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: got in the studio on a big thank you to

1012
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 2: Jered Mayley, the Deputy Opposition leader for joining us today.

1013
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: Thanks, thank you listeners.

1014
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thank you as always for

1015
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: your time this morning. Thanks Wolfe and Kesier Puric, the

1016
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: Member for Goida, the Independence Member for Goida.

1017
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Speaker 6: Thank you.

1018
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 5: And Happy Mother's Day on Sunday. You're a mother, You're

1019
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 5: a mother.

1020
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: Happy Mother's Day to all the wonderful moms.

1021
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 5: Happy Mother's Day to yess. Happy matter's lightly.

1022
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely yes.

1023
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: And Kate Warden, thank you so much for your time

1024
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: this morning. Minister for Various Portfolios.

1025
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Speaker 7: And Kate Warden this morning and my own identity yes,

1026
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 7: I would also say the same about Mother's Day.

1027
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 6: Also, get people get don't forget the Mother's Day classics. Yeah,

1028
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 6: go out. That's for a really good cause.

1029
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Speaker 1: Jesus.

1030
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 6: Every day should be Mother's Day commercial every day it

1031
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 6: should be Mother's Day Wedday.

1032
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1033
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Speaker 2: I love Father's Day as well. Thank you all so

1034
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: very much for your time this morning. You are listening

1035
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Speaker 2: to three six. It is the week that was