WEBVTT - Who are Anthony Albanese and Peter Dutton? 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:04.400 Already and this is the Daily This is the Dahlias. 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:06.880 Oh now it makes sense. 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.400 Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday, 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:18.200 the first of May. 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:20.759 I'm Zara Sidler, I'm Emma Gillespie. 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:24.319 Well, we are officially at the point to end of 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:25.959 the election campaign. 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:26.640 Wowie. 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:28.080 I don't know how many times I'm going to say 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:30.160 that this week, but hey we're here. In a matter 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.440 of days, we're going to know which party is formed 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:35.959 government and who the next Leader of Australia will be 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:38.920 and so on today's episode, I thought it would be 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.200 helpful to give a bit of a lowdown on who 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.559 the two people lying for the top. 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:44.440 Job actually are. 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:48.040 You've heard their names many times before, Anthony Albertezi and 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:51.240 Peter Dudden, from their time before Parliament to what they've 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:53.800 pushed for inside of Canberra. We're going to take you 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.639 through everything you need to know before the weekend. 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:01.560 All right, I think this is going to be a 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.440 really helpful one for a lot of listeners today. Before 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:08.800 we explain who the two leaders are, I think we 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.720 should talk through the fact that these are not names 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:15.080 that are necessarily going to appear on the ballots of 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.759 most people's voting cards this weekend. There's an important difference 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.319 between who the potential future leader is versus who we 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:24.160 vote for on ballot day. 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:25.080 Yeah, exactly. 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:27.440 So I do think this is a good place to 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.759 start because I think sometimes we look at the US 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.039 and we think that we do things very similarly, but 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:35.920 when it comes to voting, it's very, very different. So 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.800 when we go to vote here in Australia, as you 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.800 just said, unless you live in two electorates Graindler in 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:46.880 Sydney or Dixon in Queensland, you're not actually directly voting 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:50.600 for Anthony Alberenezi or Peter Dudden. Instead, you're voting for 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.400 who you want to send to Canberra to represent your 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:57.280 local electorate. So, for example, if you're in the seat 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.520 of one and say in Victoria, yeah, you're going to 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.680 vote for who you believe should represent one in Parliament. 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:05.360 That's not going to be Anthony Albanesi, and that's not 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.440 going to be Peter Dudden. You're gonna have a choice 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:10.360 between a Liberal candidate. So that seat's currently held by 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:14.280 a Liberal candidate Dantean exactly, but he is being challenged 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.120 by a bunch of other candidates for example, an independent 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:21.000 candidate in Alex Dyson, a Labor candidate, a Greens candidate. 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.720 I won't keep saying the way candidate. You understand what 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:24.160 I'm saying. 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:26.480 And if the name Alex Dyson sounds familiar to you, 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:28.880 that's because he is a former Triple j presenter. 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.560 He is, so he has decided to make the venture 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.440 into independent politics. And so that was just an example 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.040 of one of the seats and some of the names 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.919 that you might see. And so, as we've spoken about 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.080 on this podcast before, the way that government is formed 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.440 is that whichever of the major parties reach seventy six 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.200 seats of the available one hundred and fifty seats in 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:53.680 the House, that's the party that forms government. And so 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.760 the leader of that party then goes on to become 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:57.480 the prime minister. 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.799 So while not every ballot will have Anthony Albanesi or 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:05.600 Peter Dutton's name on it, there will be representatives of 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:07.920 the major parties on those ballots. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:08.440 Exactly. 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.720 Okay, gotcha. So now that we understand how the House 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:15.280 of Reps forms government and how a leader becomes prime minister, 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:20.040 let's talk about those two leadership options. We have Anthony Albanesi, 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.639 who is, of course the current sitting Prime minister, the 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:26.160 leader of the Labor Party, and Peter Dutton the opposition leader, 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:30.519 the Liberal Party leader. Let's start with Anthony Albanesi. First, 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:34.720 simple questions are but I'm sure a complex answer, who 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:35.920 is albo? 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.240 Yeah, look, a small question there. 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.360 But as you said, Anthony Albanesi has been our prime 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.960 minister since he won the twenty twenty two federal election. 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.200 But he is by no means a new faith when 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:50.480 it comes to politics. 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.160 So if we start way back at. 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.560 The beginning of the Anthony Albanesi story, he was born 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.440 in Sydney in nineteen sixty three, so that makes him 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:03.160 sixty two. As he regularly discusses and as has informed 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:06.320 a lot of his politics, Albanize was raised by his 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:10.040 single mother in public housing. When he was born, he 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:12.960 understood his father to have passed away. He found out 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:14.800 later in life that that was not the case, and 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.600 there are lots of kind of podcasts and stories about 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:20.520 meeting his father later in life, but we'll leave that 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:24.360 for a separate discussion. Anthony Albernezi was the first person 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:27.440 in his family to finish school and then the first 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:31.920 to attend university. He ended up completing Bachelor of Economics 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:35.560 at the University of Sydney and he became involved with 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.719 the Labor Party very early on. He actually joined the 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.400 party while he was still at school. Wow, So he 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.080 is like when you talk about lifelong party members, that 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.560 is Anthony alban He's a career Labor man, seriously, and 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.800 I mean he's also a career politician basically. So he 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.200 left university and went on to work in the party. 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.719 He worked as a research officer as a party official, 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.600 and then he worked as a staffer or an advisor 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.920 to Bob Carr, who was a former premier. And that 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.039 was all before he decided that it was time to 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:08.799 run for the seat of Grangler, so his own seat 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:12.719 in parliament in nineteen ninety six, so before I was born. 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.919 That's how long he's been in parliament. Anthony Alberanezi was 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:19.640 elected as the Federal Member for Grainsler and at the time, 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.680 which is interesting, he was elected as the youngest member 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:23.360 of Parliament. 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:24.880 That is fascinating. 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.160 I think a lot of people don't realize how long 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:27.799 he's been there. 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:28.640 Thirty years. 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.040 I mean both of them have been there for ages. 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.960 So I was looking back at his first speech. We 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:38.280 used to call them maiden speeches, but that term's kind 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.000 of been thrown out a bit. Now we'll just refer 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.719 to it as his first speech. And I think that 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.599 first speeches are a really helpful way of understanding why 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.040 someone goes into politics in the first place. Yeah, what's 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.320 really driving them, what they want to achieve. 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:54.960 They often act as a bit of an opportunity for 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.080 that person to tell the country what they stand for, 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.200 what motivated them to want to be in public service. 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.880 So there's a lot you can learn from someone from. 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:08.360 That address, definitely, And I mean it's crazy to think 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.560 that it was decades ago now, but I'll read a 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.240 little bit of it. Anthony Albanize said on the floor 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:15.480 of the Parliament, I will be satisfied if I can 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.800 be remembered as someone who will stand up for the 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.960 interests of my electorate, for working class people, for the 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:24.760 labor movement, and for our progressive advancement as a nation 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:26.560 into the next century. 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.160 Of course, he was speaking in the last. 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.000 Century, very nineties child. 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.960 Yeah, And so during his very long career in parliament, 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:39.200 Albanizi has held a number of portfolios and shadow portfolios, 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:43.200 so he became a senior minister during the running Gillard years. 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.240 He served as the Minister for Infrastructure and Transport and 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:50.560 then later as Deputy Prime Minister under Kevin Rudd. But 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:55.200 then Labor lost power and the Coalition won successive elections 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.920 and so Labor wasn't in power for nearly a decade, 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.279 and so during that time Anthony alban Easy was understood 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.800 to kind of been working up the ranks. And when 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:07.279 Labor lost the twenty nineteen election, which was a big 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:08.800 shock if people remember. 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.280 When Bill Shorten lost to Scott Morrison. 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:12.640 Exactly and no one was expecting it. 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:16.800 And so when Labor lost, Bill Shorten stepped down and 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.200 that is when Anthony Alberizi became the leader of the 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.160 Labor Party, and we all know he went on to 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.640 lead the party to victory at the twenty twenty two election, 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.080 and at that election kind of similar to a first 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.680 speech in Parliament, it's interesting to look back at what 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.200 the priorities he set out in his first speech or 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.560 his victory speech after becoming Prime minister was, because it's 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.480 like kind of different to what we're talking about this election. 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:46.280 It's incredibly different. And I think the big standout moment 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:49.000 from that speech that many of us will remember is 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:50.840 the referendum exactly. 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:56.000 So Anthony Alberzi got up and basically the first sentence, 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.960 almost out of his mouth, was that he was going 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.760 to implement the ull statement from the heart in full. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.440 Since that time, we've gone to a referendum that failed, 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.880 but that was certainly one of the big policy promises 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:13.040 from the Albaneze government at that time. His basic premise 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.560 for or his basic promise I guess to the electorate 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.320 was no one held back and no one left behind. 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.080 So that set out a bit of what Anthony Abereneze 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:21.600 wanted to. 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.000 Do with his three years in power. 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:27.520 He wanted to take significant action on climate change and 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.040 he wanted to in his own words, build an economy 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:32.960 that works for people and not the other way around. 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.840 Obviously needs to be said that a lot has changed 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.920 in those three years, a lot of external factors, also 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:44.000 a lot of internal domestic matters that have shifted since. 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:46.760 And so this time around we are looking, as we've 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:50.800 spoken on podcasts this week, at quite different policy platforms 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:51.840 than the last time around. 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.640 Yeah, and of course the mood is very different to 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.680 twenty twenty two when we were coming out of COVID 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.560 out of the pandemic. In that recovery phase, there was 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.960 that sort of sense of uncertainty or disbelief of is 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.160 it really over? Are we really moving on now? And 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.079 then of course, you know, the cost of living crisis 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.520 in the meantime has well and truly set in and 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.760 that's dominated the campaigning on both sides absolutely this election. 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.760 It is really interesting though to hear those focuses of 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:24.040 Albanese's career from you know, nineteen ninety six right through 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:28.320 to the last election. He did beat Scott Morrison in 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:32.720 twenty twenty two, and after Morrison lost, Peter Dutton became 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.920 the Liberal Party's leader. So he has been leading the 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.600 opposition since twenty twenty two. What do we need to 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:40.800 know about Dutton? 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:41.320 Okay? 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:45.440 So, Peter Dudden was born in nineteen seventy in Brisbane, 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:50.520 and similar to Albanesi, Peter Dunnan became politically involved at 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.720 a really early age. So he joined the Young Liberals 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:57.120 at the sprightly age of eighteen. It was only a 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.000 year later, at the age of nineteen, that Peter dudd 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:01.400 first ran for parliament. 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:01.880 Wow. 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.600 Yeah, I was not even thinking about parliament when I 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:05.200 was nineteen. 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.720 We were very different nineteen year olds. 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.840 But clearly both of the choices for leader have long 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.960 had these political aspirations. It wasn't something that came to 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.559 them later in life, but rather certainly fostered early on. 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.120 So it dudn't ran for parliament at the age of nineteen. 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.920 He contested a state seat. So he contested a seat 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:27.160 in the nineteen eighty nine Queensland state election, but that 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.040 was a safe labor seat and he ended up losing. 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:34.080 And so when he was unsuccessful at that election, he 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.440 kind of pivoted a bit. He went on to study 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.600 a Bachelor of Business, but then he went part time 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.760 to study when he joined the police force. And I'd 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:47.439 say as much as Anthony Albernesi's narrative revolves around his 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:51.840 childhood and growing up with a single mother in public housing. 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.800 Working class boy from Marrickville. 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.440 Exactly, that narrative has been very strong, and the narrative 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:00.240 of Peter Dudden and his experiences as a policeman, I'd 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:01.679 say are equally as strong. 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.480 And a number of his policies. 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.640 I think if listeners don't know a lot about Peter Dutton, 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.120 what they do know is that he was a cop once. 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:09.800 Yeah, exactly. 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.200 So he served as a Queensland Police officer for just 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.760 under a decade, so for nine years. During that time 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.360 he worked in a drug squad in Brisbane and then 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:23.680 he worked later with this sex offenders squad. And I 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.800 think it's probably that latter experience that has come to 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.320 the fore a lot. He often talks about the unspeakable 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.120 things that he saw during his time in the police 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.680 force and how that drives him to want to protect 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:38.080 specifically women and girls. Peter Dudden ended up leaving the 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:41.760 police force in nineteen ninety nine. He was at that 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:46.959 point a detective senior constable, but he departed the police force. 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.560 He then went on to join his father's business that 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:53.560 was around like kind of converting property into child's care facilities. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:55.440 So he worked in that for a bit. 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.640 But then in two thousand and one his political aspirations 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.040 came swinging back and to Dudden contested the seat of 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:06.840 Dixon in Queensland and he won, starting his parliamentary career 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:08.240 at the turn of the century. 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:12.560 Interesting that both Dutton and Albanzi had dabbled in state 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:17.760 politics or started around state politics for advising, advising, and 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:22.000 then their first big political gigs were on the federal stage. 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.480 Yeah, it is really interesting and I think goes to 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.480 a kind of class of people who have spent a 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.400 long time in and around politics. I think there are 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.720 kind of two categories of politicians, those that had very 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.719 different careers and those that have kind of always been 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.439 aligned with party politics. And so I just want to 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:43.840 go back to Dudden really quickly, because, like we spoke 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:47.880 about Anthony Albanesi's first speech to Parliament, Dudden's was equally 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:51.280 telling about his priorities and what was really driving him 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.720 at the time, and he highlighted how his work as 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:55.839 a policeman. 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:56.960 Had shaped his worldview. 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.839 He said, and I quote, I often say to people 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:02.360 that as a police officer, I've seen the best and 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.080 the worst that society has to offer. I've seen the 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.319 wonderful kind nature of people willing to offer any assistance 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:10.679 to those in their worst hour. And I've seen the 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:14.760 sickening behavior displayed by people who frankly barely justify their 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:19.120 existence in our sometimes over tolerance society. In that same speech, 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.520 he went on to say to me, the Liberal Party 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.280 was a party founded in many ways on the principles 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:28.319 of individualism, and reward for achievement. It goes without saying, 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:30.560 of course, that these are principles from which I have 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:34.560 benefited and always defended with great conviction. And I think 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:36.640 that that was a really interesting quote to pull out 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.680 because there's so much talk in the kind of political 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:43.080 sphere about what type of liberal Dudden is and whether 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.240 Anthony Abeneze is the right type of labor man. But 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:48.720 these sorts of quotes really go to the heart of 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:52.760 how they interpret, yeah, their party's values. And so for 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:56.080 Peter Dudden, we're talking here about small government, we're talking 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:59.000 about the free market, and that is clearly what he 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.680 believes to be the way the country should be run. 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.520 I was going to say the retoric of both of 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.800 their first speeches in parliament. You know, even though we're 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:11.600 talking about the late nineties and two thousand and one, 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:15.800 these quotes could be them today. Really, so as much 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.400 as the world around them has changed and they have changed, 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.800 their kind of moral compass or their political focus hasn't 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.240 really shifted that far away. None of these quotes are 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:25.880 that surprising. 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:27.200 No, no, not at all. 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.880 And I'll just really quickly jump through the rest of 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:37.040 Dudden's parliamentary careers, so he held key government positions throughout 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:40.320 the kind of last decade or so. He was Home 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:43.320 Affairs Minister. I think that's probably where people first became 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.440 familiar at least kind of on a national stage with 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:47.200 Peter Dudden. 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:51.240 That was during a heightened period of illegal immigration, the 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:52.760 stop the Boats era. 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:56.160 Yeah, exactly, and so he became the face really of 0:14:56.240 --> 0:15:00.920 border security. And then later with Scott Morrison, Dudden alongside 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.200 being Home Affairs Minister, it was at one point also 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.480 the Minister for Health, the Minister for Sport and the 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:06.720 Minister for Defense. 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:08.920 So he's really tried his hand a lot of different 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:09.880 portfolios there. 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:14.240 Prior to winning the leadership in twenty twenty two, Dudden 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:17.880 had contested the leadership of the Liberal Party before, but 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:21.280 he hadn't been successful. So people might remember during the 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:25.440 Turnbull years there was a time where there was a 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.120 bit of unrest in the party. 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.840 We'll put it that way, delicately, put Zarah. 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.480 Thank you, and Peter Dunnen put his name for it 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:36.080 or put his hand up to run during a leadership spill. 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.960 He wasn't successful at that time. Scott Morrison went on 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:43.280 to become Prime Minister, but then when Scott Morrison lost 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:47.560 the election, Peter Duddaen was elected as leader unopposed, and 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:51.640 so that brings us to today. He's hoping to win 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:56.400 the election and to become the next Prime Minister of Australia. 0:15:56.480 --> 0:16:00.400 Okay, So we've got these two mainstays of the alien 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:05.840 political landscape with quite different stories, but there's also a 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.800 lot in common there. They've both spent time as leader 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:13.080 of the opposition, they've both been in federal Parliament for decades, 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:17.080 and they're both vying for the same job. But before 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:21.320 we go on Zara, regardless of who wins, it will 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.960 be a big deal. Whatever the result is on Saturday, 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.880 it's going to be a significant one. Yeah, can you 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:28.200 just explain why? 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:28.680 Yes? 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:32.480 So, if Peter Dudden pulls off a victory this weekend 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:36.800 and becomes Prime Minister, he will become the first opposition 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:41.280 leader to unseat a first term government since nineteen twenty nine. 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:44.000 That's nearly one hundred years, so many years. 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:45.280 So let me just unpack that. 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:49.360 So, Anthony Albanezi was elected last election, his government, the 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:54.120 Labor Government, has served one term so far. If Dudden 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:58.280 is able to win on Saturday, that will mean that 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.800 labor doesn't get a second term, and that it's the 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.520 first time that that's happened since nineteen twenty nine. 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:08.600 This is kind of a trend that we see throughout 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:14.000 polling all around the world that the incumbent government, as 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.320 in the government that's serving at the time of the election, 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:21.760 voters anecdotally will favor what they know, the kind of 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.360 rhetoric of if people are apathetic, they might think, oh, well, 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:25.960 better the devil. 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:26.240 You know. 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:30.040 Yeah, It's been such an interesting time in global politics 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:34.080 because for a long time that was believed to be 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.920 the case, and incumbents did have this kind of advantage. 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:42.399 But last year we saw a bunch of incumbents, and 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:46.280 specifically kind of moderate or progressive incumbents. 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.080 All lose in a row. 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.440 But then we had the Canadian election just a couple 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:55.679 of days ago, where the incumbent government was once again restored, 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.960 and so there is a lot of chatter out there 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:02.080 about whether or not the US election has actually flipped that. Yeah, 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.240 and that perhaps we are now going to go back to, 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.800 as you said, that incumbency advantage. I've just said the 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.600 word incumbency like I like it's in one sentence. 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:12.960 But to the heart of what you're saying is that 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:17.239 I guess trends have changed, but more than ever this 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:24.879 year we find ourselves in more uncharted territory basically on climates. 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.640 Of changing, and anyone that knows a trend is making 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.320 it up, but just on the idea of the kind 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.720 of historic moment that we're in. 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.080 It's not just going to be historic. 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:36.840 If Peter Dudden is successful, If Anthony Albernizi is successful, 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:39.800 he will become the first prime minister to win two 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.520 elections in a row since John Howard in two thousand 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:42.920 and four. 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:47.600 These two facts, these two starts, are bonkers because we're 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:51.400 saying that a first term government hasn't lost its crack 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:53.760 at a second term in nearly one hundred years. 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.480 But a leader of a party hasn't led as prime 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.959 minister for two terms since two thousand and four. 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:03.119 And that is, of course, because we have had so 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:08.720 many changes in leadership since that all happened. It has 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:12.760 become a lot harder to unseat a leader. Those leadership 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:14.840 spills you might have noticed, haven't happened for a little bit. 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.520 That's because both parties have said, like enough, we must 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:20.200 not have this again. 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:21.240 So it is harder. 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:25.520 But that means that, yeah, for the last twenty odd years, 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:29.119 that's that's been the case. And so if Anthony Albanezi wins, 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.600 he's going to be the first one to do it, 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.639 a kind of double whammy since John Howard. 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:37.800 Whatever happens, it's history in the making, we're. 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:39.000 Going to be talking about it no matter what. 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.159 It's exciting. I'm sure there's you know, a lot of 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:45.199 fatigue setting in for people out there every day through 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:48.080 there's only a couple of exactly every corner you turn, 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:51.320 every page that you scrolled past, every TV as you see, 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:52.800 it's a lot. 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.560 Sce you receive in an unsolicited sense. 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:57.480 And wonder where on earth did they get kay number. 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:00.480 But it's exciting to have these little tea bits to 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.359 kind of look forward to and remembering the kind of 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:07.800 historical moments that come with any kind of democratic election. 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:10.399 Exactly couldn't have put a better I'm Zara, thank you 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:11.760 so much for taking us through that. 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:13.919 It was really really helpful and interesting. 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.680 Thank you and thank you for joining us for another 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:19.360