1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Dahlias. 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Oh now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday, 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: the first of May. 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: I'm Zara Sidler, I'm Emma Gillespie. 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 2: Well, we are officially at the point to end of 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 2: the election campaign. 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: Wowie. 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: I don't know how many times I'm going to say 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: that this week, but hey we're here. In a matter 11 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: of days, we're going to know which party is formed 12 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,959 Speaker 2: government and who the next Leader of Australia will be 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: and so on today's episode, I thought it would be 14 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 2: helpful to give a bit of a lowdown on who 15 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: the two people lying for the top. 16 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 3: Job actually are. 17 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: You've heard their names many times before, Anthony Albertezi and 18 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 2: Peter Dudden, from their time before Parliament to what they've 19 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: pushed for inside of Canberra. We're going to take you 20 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 2: through everything you need to know before the weekend. 21 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: All right, I think this is going to be a 22 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: really helpful one for a lot of listeners today. Before 23 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: we explain who the two leaders are, I think we 24 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: should talk through the fact that these are not names 25 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: that are necessarily going to appear on the ballots of 26 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: most people's voting cards this weekend. There's an important difference 27 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: between who the potential future leader is versus who we 28 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: vote for on ballot day. 29 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 30 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: So I do think this is a good place to 31 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 2: start because I think sometimes we look at the US 32 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 2: and we think that we do things very similarly, but 33 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: when it comes to voting, it's very, very different. So 34 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: when we go to vote here in Australia, as you 35 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: just said, unless you live in two electorates Graindler in 36 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: Sydney or Dixon in Queensland, you're not actually directly voting 37 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: for Anthony Alberenezi or Peter Dudden. Instead, you're voting for 38 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: who you want to send to Canberra to represent your 39 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: local electorate. So, for example, if you're in the seat 40 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: of one and say in Victoria, yeah, you're going to 41 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: vote for who you believe should represent one in Parliament. 42 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: That's not going to be Anthony Albanesi, and that's not 43 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: going to be Peter Dudden. You're gonna have a choice 44 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 2: between a Liberal candidate. So that seat's currently held by 45 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: a Liberal candidate Dantean exactly, but he is being challenged 46 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: by a bunch of other candidates for example, an independent 47 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: candidate in Alex Dyson, a Labor candidate, a Greens candidate. 48 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: I won't keep saying the way candidate. You understand what 49 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: I'm saying. 50 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: And if the name Alex Dyson sounds familiar to you, 51 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: that's because he is a former Triple j presenter. 52 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: He is, so he has decided to make the venture 53 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: into independent politics. And so that was just an example 54 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: of one of the seats and some of the names 55 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 2: that you might see. And so, as we've spoken about 56 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 2: on this podcast before, the way that government is formed 57 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: is that whichever of the major parties reach seventy six 58 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: seats of the available one hundred and fifty seats in 59 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: the House, that's the party that forms government. And so 60 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: the leader of that party then goes on to become 61 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: the prime minister. 62 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: So while not every ballot will have Anthony Albanesi or 63 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: Peter Dutton's name on it, there will be representatives of 64 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: the major parties on those ballots. 65 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 3: Exactly. 66 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha. So now that we understand how the House 67 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: of Reps forms government and how a leader becomes prime minister, 68 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: let's talk about those two leadership options. We have Anthony Albanesi, 69 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: who is, of course the current sitting Prime minister, the 70 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: leader of the Labor Party, and Peter Dutton the opposition leader, 71 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 1: the Liberal Party leader. Let's start with Anthony Albanesi. First, 72 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: simple questions are but I'm sure a complex answer, who 73 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: is albo? 74 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, a small question there. 75 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: But as you said, Anthony Albanesi has been our prime 76 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: minister since he won the twenty twenty two federal election. 77 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: But he is by no means a new faith when 78 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: it comes to politics. 79 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 3: So if we start way back at. 80 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: The beginning of the Anthony Albanesi story, he was born 81 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: in Sydney in nineteen sixty three, so that makes him 82 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: sixty two. As he regularly discusses and as has informed 83 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: a lot of his politics, Albanize was raised by his 84 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: single mother in public housing. When he was born, he 85 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: understood his father to have passed away. He found out 86 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: later in life that that was not the case, and 87 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 2: there are lots of kind of podcasts and stories about 88 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: meeting his father later in life, but we'll leave that 89 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: for a separate discussion. Anthony Albernezi was the first person 90 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: in his family to finish school and then the first 91 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: to attend university. He ended up completing Bachelor of Economics 92 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: at the University of Sydney and he became involved with 93 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 2: the Labor Party very early on. He actually joined the 94 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: party while he was still at school. Wow, So he 95 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: is like when you talk about lifelong party members, that 96 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: is Anthony alban He's a career Labor man, seriously, and 97 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: I mean he's also a career politician basically. So he 98 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: left university and went on to work in the party. 99 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: He worked as a research officer as a party official, 100 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: and then he worked as a staffer or an advisor 101 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 2: to Bob Carr, who was a former premier. And that 102 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 2: was all before he decided that it was time to 103 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 2: run for the seat of Grangler, so his own seat 104 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 2: in parliament in nineteen ninety six, so before I was born. 105 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 2: That's how long he's been in parliament. Anthony Alberanezi was 106 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: elected as the Federal Member for Grainsler and at the time, 107 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: which is interesting, he was elected as the youngest member 108 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: of Parliament. 109 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: That is fascinating. 110 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people don't realize how long 111 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 1: he's been there. 112 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: Thirty years. 113 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 2: I mean both of them have been there for ages. 114 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: So I was looking back at his first speech. We 115 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 2: used to call them maiden speeches, but that term's kind 116 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: of been thrown out a bit. Now we'll just refer 117 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 2: to it as his first speech. And I think that 118 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 2: first speeches are a really helpful way of understanding why 119 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 2: someone goes into politics in the first place. Yeah, what's 120 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: really driving them, what they want to achieve. 121 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: They often act as a bit of an opportunity for 122 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: that person to tell the country what they stand for, 123 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: what motivated them to want to be in public service. 124 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: So there's a lot you can learn from someone from. 125 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 2: That address, definitely, And I mean it's crazy to think 126 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: that it was decades ago now, but I'll read a 127 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: little bit of it. Anthony Albanize said on the floor 128 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 2: of the Parliament, I will be satisfied if I can 129 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: be remembered as someone who will stand up for the 130 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: interests of my electorate, for working class people, for the 131 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: labor movement, and for our progressive advancement as a nation 132 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: into the next century. 133 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 3: Of course, he was speaking in the last. 134 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: Century, very nineties child. 135 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so during his very long career in parliament, 136 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: Albanizi has held a number of portfolios and shadow portfolios, 137 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: so he became a senior minister during the running Gillard years. 138 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 2: He served as the Minister for Infrastructure and Transport and 139 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: then later as Deputy Prime Minister under Kevin Rudd. But 140 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: then Labor lost power and the Coalition won successive elections 141 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 2: and so Labor wasn't in power for nearly a decade, 142 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 2: and so during that time Anthony alban Easy was understood 143 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: to kind of been working up the ranks. And when 144 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 2: Labor lost the twenty nineteen election, which was a big 145 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: shock if people remember. 146 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: When Bill Shorten lost to Scott Morrison. 147 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: Exactly and no one was expecting it. 148 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: And so when Labor lost, Bill Shorten stepped down and 149 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: that is when Anthony Alberizi became the leader of the 150 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: Labor Party, and we all know he went on to 151 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: lead the party to victory at the twenty twenty two election, 152 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: and at that election kind of similar to a first 153 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: speech in Parliament, it's interesting to look back at what 154 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: the priorities he set out in his first speech or 155 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: his victory speech after becoming Prime minister was, because it's 156 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: like kind of different to what we're talking about this election. 157 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: It's incredibly different. And I think the big standout moment 158 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: from that speech that many of us will remember is 159 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: the referendum exactly. 160 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: So Anthony Alberzi got up and basically the first sentence, 161 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: almost out of his mouth, was that he was going 162 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: to implement the ull statement from the heart in full. 163 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: Since that time, we've gone to a referendum that failed, 164 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: but that was certainly one of the big policy promises 165 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: from the Albaneze government at that time. His basic premise 166 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: for or his basic promise I guess to the electorate 167 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: was no one held back and no one left behind. 168 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: So that set out a bit of what Anthony Abereneze 169 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: wanted to. 170 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 3: Do with his three years in power. 171 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: He wanted to take significant action on climate change and 172 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: he wanted to in his own words, build an economy 173 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 2: that works for people and not the other way around. 174 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: Obviously needs to be said that a lot has changed 175 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: in those three years, a lot of external factors, also 176 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: a lot of internal domestic matters that have shifted since. 177 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: And so this time around we are looking, as we've 178 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: spoken on podcasts this week, at quite different policy platforms 179 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 2: than the last time around. 180 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course the mood is very different to 181 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two when we were coming out of COVID 182 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: out of the pandemic. In that recovery phase, there was 183 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: that sort of sense of uncertainty or disbelief of is 184 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: it really over? Are we really moving on now? And 185 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: then of course, you know, the cost of living crisis 186 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: in the meantime has well and truly set in and 187 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: that's dominated the campaigning on both sides absolutely this election. 188 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: It is really interesting though to hear those focuses of 189 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: Albanese's career from you know, nineteen ninety six right through 190 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: to the last election. He did beat Scott Morrison in 191 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, and after Morrison lost, Peter Dutton became 192 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: the Liberal Party's leader. So he has been leading the 193 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: opposition since twenty twenty two. What do we need to 194 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: know about Dutton? 195 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 3: Okay? 196 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: So, Peter Dudden was born in nineteen seventy in Brisbane, 197 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: and similar to Albanesi, Peter Dunnan became politically involved at 198 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 2: a really early age. So he joined the Young Liberals 199 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: at the sprightly age of eighteen. It was only a 200 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: year later, at the age of nineteen, that Peter dudd 201 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: first ran for parliament. 202 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 3: Wow. 203 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was not even thinking about parliament when I 204 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: was nineteen. 205 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 3: We were very different nineteen year olds. 206 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 2: But clearly both of the choices for leader have long 207 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 2: had these political aspirations. It wasn't something that came to 208 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 2: them later in life, but rather certainly fostered early on. 209 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: So it dudn't ran for parliament at the age of nineteen. 210 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: He contested a state seat. So he contested a seat 211 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighty nine Queensland state election, but that 212 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 2: was a safe labor seat and he ended up losing. 213 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: And so when he was unsuccessful at that election, he 214 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: kind of pivoted a bit. He went on to study 215 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: a Bachelor of Business, but then he went part time 216 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 2: to study when he joined the police force. And I'd 217 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 2: say as much as Anthony Albernesi's narrative revolves around his 218 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 2: childhood and growing up with a single mother in public housing. 219 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: Working class boy from Marrickville. 220 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 2: Exactly, that narrative has been very strong, and the narrative 221 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: of Peter Dudden and his experiences as a policeman, I'd 222 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 2: say are equally as strong. 223 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 3: And a number of his policies. 224 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: I think if listeners don't know a lot about Peter Dutton, 225 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: what they do know is that he was a cop once. 226 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 227 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 2: So he served as a Queensland Police officer for just 228 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: under a decade, so for nine years. During that time 229 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: he worked in a drug squad in Brisbane and then 230 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 2: he worked later with this sex offenders squad. And I 231 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: think it's probably that latter experience that has come to 232 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 2: the fore a lot. He often talks about the unspeakable 233 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 2: things that he saw during his time in the police 234 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 2: force and how that drives him to want to protect 235 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 2: specifically women and girls. Peter Dudden ended up leaving the 236 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: police force in nineteen ninety nine. He was at that 237 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 2: point a detective senior constable, but he departed the police force. 238 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 2: He then went on to join his father's business that 239 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 2: was around like kind of converting property into child's care facilities. 240 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 3: So he worked in that for a bit. 241 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: But then in two thousand and one his political aspirations 242 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 2: came swinging back and to Dudden contested the seat of 243 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: Dixon in Queensland and he won, starting his parliamentary career 244 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: at the turn of the century. 245 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: Interesting that both Dutton and Albanzi had dabbled in state 246 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: politics or started around state politics for advising, advising, and 247 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: then their first big political gigs were on the federal stage. 248 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is really interesting and I think goes to 249 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 2: a kind of class of people who have spent a 250 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: long time in and around politics. I think there are 251 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: kind of two categories of politicians, those that had very 252 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 2: different careers and those that have kind of always been 253 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 2: aligned with party politics. And so I just want to 254 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: go back to Dudden really quickly, because, like we spoke 255 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: about Anthony Albanesi's first speech to Parliament, Dudden's was equally 256 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 2: telling about his priorities and what was really driving him 257 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 2: at the time, and he highlighted how his work as 258 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 2: a policeman. 259 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 3: Had shaped his worldview. 260 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 2: He said, and I quote, I often say to people 261 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: that as a police officer, I've seen the best and 262 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 2: the worst that society has to offer. I've seen the 263 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 2: wonderful kind nature of people willing to offer any assistance 264 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 2: to those in their worst hour. And I've seen the 265 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: sickening behavior displayed by people who frankly barely justify their 266 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: existence in our sometimes over tolerance society. In that same speech, 267 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: he went on to say to me, the Liberal Party 268 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: was a party founded in many ways on the principles 269 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 2: of individualism, and reward for achievement. It goes without saying, 270 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: of course, that these are principles from which I have 271 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 2: benefited and always defended with great conviction. And I think 272 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: that that was a really interesting quote to pull out 273 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 2: because there's so much talk in the kind of political 274 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: sphere about what type of liberal Dudden is and whether 275 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: Anthony Abeneze is the right type of labor man. But 276 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 2: these sorts of quotes really go to the heart of 277 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: how they interpret, yeah, their party's values. And so for 278 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 2: Peter Dudden, we're talking here about small government, we're talking 279 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: about the free market, and that is clearly what he 280 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 2: believes to be the way the country should be run. 281 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: I was going to say the retoric of both of 282 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: their first speeches in parliament. You know, even though we're 283 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: talking about the late nineties and two thousand and one, 284 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: these quotes could be them today. Really, so as much 285 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: as the world around them has changed and they have changed, 286 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: their kind of moral compass or their political focus hasn't 287 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: really shifted that far away. None of these quotes are 288 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: that surprising. 289 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 3: No, no, not at all. 290 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: And I'll just really quickly jump through the rest of 291 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: Dudden's parliamentary careers, so he held key government positions throughout 292 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 2: the kind of last decade or so. He was Home 293 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: Affairs Minister. I think that's probably where people first became 294 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 2: familiar at least kind of on a national stage with 295 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: Peter Dudden. 296 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: That was during a heightened period of illegal immigration, the 297 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: stop the Boats era. 298 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and so he became the face really of 299 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: border security. And then later with Scott Morrison, Dudden alongside 300 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: being Home Affairs Minister, it was at one point also 301 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: the Minister for Health, the Minister for Sport and the 302 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: Minister for Defense. 303 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 3: So he's really tried his hand a lot of different 304 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 3: portfolios there. 305 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 2: Prior to winning the leadership in twenty twenty two, Dudden 306 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 2: had contested the leadership of the Liberal Party before, but 307 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 2: he hadn't been successful. So people might remember during the 308 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: Turnbull years there was a time where there was a 309 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: bit of unrest in the party. 310 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: We'll put it that way, delicately, put Zarah. 311 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 2: Thank you, and Peter Dunnen put his name for it 312 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: or put his hand up to run during a leadership spill. 313 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 2: He wasn't successful at that time. Scott Morrison went on 314 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 2: to become Prime Minister, but then when Scott Morrison lost 315 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: the election, Peter Duddaen was elected as leader unopposed, and 316 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 2: so that brings us to today. He's hoping to win 317 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: the election and to become the next Prime Minister of Australia. 318 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: Okay, So we've got these two mainstays of the alien 319 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: political landscape with quite different stories, but there's also a 320 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: lot in common there. They've both spent time as leader 321 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: of the opposition, they've both been in federal Parliament for decades, 322 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: and they're both vying for the same job. But before 323 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: we go on Zara, regardless of who wins, it will 324 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: be a big deal. Whatever the result is on Saturday, 325 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: it's going to be a significant one. Yeah, can you 326 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: just explain why? 327 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 3: Yes? 328 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 2: So, if Peter Dudden pulls off a victory this weekend 329 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 2: and becomes Prime Minister, he will become the first opposition 330 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: leader to unseat a first term government since nineteen twenty nine. 331 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: That's nearly one hundred years, so many years. 332 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 3: So let me just unpack that. 333 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: So, Anthony Albanezi was elected last election, his government, the 334 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: Labor Government, has served one term so far. If Dudden 335 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 2: is able to win on Saturday, that will mean that 336 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: labor doesn't get a second term, and that it's the 337 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: first time that that's happened since nineteen twenty nine. 338 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: This is kind of a trend that we see throughout 339 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: polling all around the world that the incumbent government, as 340 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: in the government that's serving at the time of the election, 341 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: voters anecdotally will favor what they know, the kind of 342 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: rhetoric of if people are apathetic, they might think, oh, well, 343 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: better the devil. 344 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 3: You know. 345 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, It's been such an interesting time in global politics 346 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: because for a long time that was believed to be 347 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 2: the case, and incumbents did have this kind of advantage. 348 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 2: But last year we saw a bunch of incumbents, and 349 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: specifically kind of moderate or progressive incumbents. 350 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 3: All lose in a row. 351 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: But then we had the Canadian election just a couple 352 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 2: of days ago, where the incumbent government was once again restored, 353 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: and so there is a lot of chatter out there 354 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: about whether or not the US election has actually flipped that. Yeah, 355 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 2: and that perhaps we are now going to go back to, 356 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 2: as you said, that incumbency advantage. I've just said the 357 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: word incumbency like I like it's in one sentence. 358 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: But to the heart of what you're saying is that 359 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,239 Speaker 1: I guess trends have changed, but more than ever this 360 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: year we find ourselves in more uncharted territory basically on climates. 361 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 2: Of changing, and anyone that knows a trend is making 362 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 2: it up, but just on the idea of the kind 363 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 2: of historic moment that we're in. 364 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 3: It's not just going to be historic. 365 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: If Peter Dudden is successful, If Anthony Albernizi is successful, 366 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 2: he will become the first prime minister to win two 367 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 2: elections in a row since John Howard in two thousand 368 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 2: and four. 369 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 4: These two facts, these two starts, are bonkers because we're 370 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 4: saying that a first term government hasn't lost its crack 371 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 4: at a second term in nearly one hundred years. 372 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: But a leader of a party hasn't led as prime 373 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,959 Speaker 1: minister for two terms since two thousand and four. 374 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 2: And that is, of course, because we have had so 375 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 2: many changes in leadership since that all happened. It has 376 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: become a lot harder to unseat a leader. Those leadership 377 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: spills you might have noticed, haven't happened for a little bit. 378 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: That's because both parties have said, like enough, we must 379 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: not have this again. 380 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 3: So it is harder. 381 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: But that means that, yeah, for the last twenty odd years, 382 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 2: that's that's been the case. And so if Anthony Albanezi wins, 383 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: he's going to be the first one to do it, 384 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 2: a kind of double whammy since John Howard. 385 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: Whatever happens, it's history in the making, we're. 386 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 3: Going to be talking about it no matter what. 387 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: It's exciting. I'm sure there's you know, a lot of 388 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 1: fatigue setting in for people out there every day through 389 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: there's only a couple of exactly every corner you turn, 390 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: every page that you scrolled past, every TV as you see, 391 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: it's a lot. 392 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 3: Sce you receive in an unsolicited sense. 393 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: And wonder where on earth did they get kay number. 394 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: But it's exciting to have these little tea bits to 395 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: kind of look forward to and remembering the kind of 396 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: historical moments that come with any kind of democratic election. 397 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 2: Exactly couldn't have put a better I'm Zara, thank you 398 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: so much for taking us through that. 399 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: It was really really helpful and interesting. 400 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 2: Thank you and thank you for joining us for another 401 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 2: episode of The Daily Os. 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