1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Coming up. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 2: On today's show, Lily Brown appears to take a swipe 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: at sofa Dofer for bringing out rival pajamas. Makeup entrepreneur 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: Hillary Holmes publicly shames a male passenger for his body 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: language and the public influencer breakup that just keeps getting worse. 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,159 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 2: hottest influencer and pop. 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: Culture news twice a week. 9 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 2: I'm Sophie Torbert and I come with some disturbing news. 10 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: Apparently Facebook pokes are back. I don't believe it. I 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: haven't received one yet. I'm probably should be offended because 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: it was the way back in the twenty tens to 13 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: flirt with people. Yeah, it sort of turned into this 14 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: seed thing where it was guys who didn't have the 15 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 2: nerve to speak to you or who didn't know how 16 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: to strike up a conversation. They would just click a 17 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: button and it will send you a poke because it 18 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: sort of nudged you as a reminder maybe to talk 19 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: to them. Because on MySpace, remember they had something called 20 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: a nudge and if you pressed, it would shake your 21 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: whole computer. That was msn That wasn't face. Oh I'm 22 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 2: getting cays and that's the thing. The poke started having 23 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: this really negative connotation. No one wanted to use it 24 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: because it came across as just sleazy. Yeah, that's why 25 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 2: I got phased out. But it is having a resurgence. 26 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 2: Apparently young people are bringing it back, but I question 27 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 2: that because who's actually on Facebook that is young. 28 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 29 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: The worst thing is back in the day, there used 30 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 2: to be just a button that you would press and 31 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: it said poke. Now you actually have to search for 32 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: the poke. And I did some research before getting on 33 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 2: the mix today. I searched poke and it came up 34 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 2: with some random people I didn't know who poked me 35 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen and twenty sixteen. 36 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: And then it. 37 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: Gives you this list of people a suggestions to poke, 38 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: and at the top of the list was my old 39 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: chief of staff, and I thought that's not going to 40 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: go down. Well, I'm tempted to send reci poke just 41 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: to see what he does and if it actually comes up, Yeah, 42 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: it does it come up as a notification. Let's start 43 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: sending some pokes out. 44 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 3: Well. 45 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: Apparently the poke was actually one of the first features 46 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: of Facebook, so it was there before the like and 47 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: the comment is this the way of trying to get 48 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: younger people back on Facebook. I think so, and if 49 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: I am Facebook, I'm also bringing back the notification in 50 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: terms of when you add someone, because I remember in 51 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: the news feed it used to always pop up that 52 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: after a big weekend, guys would be adding all of 53 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: these girls. 54 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: And you could comment on it. 55 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: Oh, Sophy, that used to trigger you so much. Remember 56 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 2: you would have mental breakdowns. 57 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: Oh, I would be keeping. 58 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: A steady eye on my ex boyfriend who his friends 59 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: were that weekend. But they also used to have something 60 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: similar on Instagram where you could actually track who was following, 61 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: who were marking stuff, and that caused. 62 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: A lot of problems. 63 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 2: I would sit there scrolling through every single thing just 64 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: for his name to pop up. 65 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: It was so sad. 66 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 2: You used to also track your ex boyfriend's snapchat count, 67 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: so it used to show you how many snapchats that 68 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 2: person had sent. And sometimes you're like, I know he's 69 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: talking to a girl and we'd be like how, And 70 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: you'd have it in your notes written down how many times. 71 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: It wasn't just me who did that. I had friends 72 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: who also did that. It was who I'm not going 73 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: to name names on the podcast, but they were friends 74 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: who also did it, and it was worse when they 75 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: had the best friends list and you could keep a 76 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: track of who they were messaging. 77 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: Anyway, I think. 78 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 2: Once it gets to a point where you're keeping tally 79 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: on your notes about how many Snapchat, someone said, you've 80 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: got to delete the app. 81 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: Also, my loves, I'm just going to give you a reminder. 82 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 3: I know I'm not perfect, and it's very clear, and 83 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 3: i know that I've got to learn lessons of just 84 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 3: like completely private, like just not sharing any of this 85 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: stuff on socials. 86 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: Over the weekend, makeup entrepreneur Hillary Holmes snapped a photo 87 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: of her and an unknown male passenger on public transport. 88 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: The body positive activist said the photo highlighted how men's 89 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: body language can make plus size women feel unsafe and insecure, 90 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: and slammed it as something immature men do. The response 91 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: wasn't one she expected, with many saying this is simply 92 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: the way considerate people sit on public transport. Now, before 93 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: we dive in, so who is Hillary Holmes? Well, she 94 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: is a Melbourne makeup artist and she has her own 95 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: makeup brand called home Beauty, which she has grown into 96 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: a multi million dollar business, and she provides a lot 97 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: of master classes and also has her own range of 98 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: specialized makeup products. I swear I've seen her on Victoria 99 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: Devine's Instagram account. I think Victoria may have been an 100 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: ambassador for one of her products. 101 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: Ch well. 102 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: She seems to move in a lot of those Melbourne 103 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: circles because Michelle Andrews and Zara McDonald also follow her 104 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 2: on Instagram. And her whole brand is centered on inclusivity 105 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: because she really developed a love for makeup in her 106 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: teenage years because she was overweight as a teenager and 107 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: she found that makeup was the only thing that didn't 108 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: discriminate on size. So that's really the messaging behind her 109 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 2: brand now. On her Instagram, a couple of years ago, 110 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: she opened up about how she had bariatric surgery, which 111 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: helped her lose fifty kilograms, but she also said to 112 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: open the door to some new issues. So she wrote, 113 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: I saw myself go from undesired and unappreciated in society 114 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: to very swiftly. I was able to fit into a 115 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: standard size range and people treated me very very differently. 116 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: Now that we are up to speed, I think we 117 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 2: should dive into what happens so over the weekend, Hillary 118 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 2: posted a photo to her Instagram story of her traveling 119 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 2: on public transport. Now, I actually don't know how she 120 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 2: took this photo because it's from the point of view 121 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 2: of someone sitting opposite her. 122 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 123 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: I wondered if a friend had taken this photo or 124 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: she used one of the sticky things on the back 125 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 2: of your phone to actually take this photo herself. 126 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 4: It was a very odd shot. 127 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. But to the exchange, they like, excuse me, can 128 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 2: you just film this for a second, because man's about 129 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: to be quite rude. 130 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: His body language is off. Can you play a film? 131 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 3: Well? 132 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: For those who haven't seen the photo. In the picture, 133 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 2: Hillary is sitting on the window side while a young 134 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: man is sitting next to her and she is looking 135 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: at the window while the man has his body slightly 136 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: turned away from her and he's looking at his phone. 137 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 2: I do want to point out that the man's face 138 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: is in full view and has not been blurred. Hillary 139 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 2: captured the story, curveys. Is this the body language you 140 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: get from younger guys all the time? I get it 141 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: all the time, especially when I was one hundred kilograms plus. 142 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 2: Mostly boys were immature guys. But it's something I've always 143 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: been super conscious of I speak with Ben all the 144 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: time about how men's body language is super important to women, 145 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: how it can intrude, make you feel unsafe, insecure, etc. 146 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: We talk about how safe men can encourage women to 147 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: feel with their presence. I use these experiences and knowledge 148 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: to create conversations with Ben and mindful how I raise 149 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: Obie to be aware of Adelaide and girls he is 150 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: around now for context, Ben is Hillary's husband and Obie 151 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 2: and Adelaide are her kids. Now. This post did elicit 152 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: a very strong response in our Facebook community. Many listeners 153 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 2: were confused as to why Hillary was actually offended in 154 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: the first place. So one listener wrote, I'm so confused. 155 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 2: Is she saying she's offended because he is turning away 156 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 2: from her and is saying it's because she's kirby If 157 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 2: he was facing her and too close, that would be 158 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 2: an issue and that would make her uncomfortable. Whilst another 159 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 2: listener said that man's body language is doing the opposite 160 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 2: of intrude. Poor bloke sitting there minding his own business 161 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: and trying to create some space between him and the 162 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: person next to him. Another listener weighed in, saying, honestly, 163 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: as a fat woman sometimes I feel like people are 164 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: shifting away from me because I'm fat. I think it 165 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: speaks to her self esteem, which is kind of sad. Fortunately, 166 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,119 Speaker 2: I now give zero fux what other people think about 167 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: my weight. She continued, saying, also, I try to see 168 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: how the guy is too, so I'm not in anyone's way, 169 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: and if he sat closer, he'd be judged for. 170 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: Invading her space. 171 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: Probably should have blurred out his face now. Hilary responded 172 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: to the criticism, saying the mistake she made was posting 173 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: a story that didn't give enough context. 174 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 4: Let's write a more of what she said. 175 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 3: I guess I raised it to bring up a conversation 176 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: that I think impacts a lot of people because I 177 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 3: talk about it with people and that is how they 178 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 3: feel safe with body language and whatever. So I raised 179 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: that conversation, but also remembering amongst that it's me maybe 180 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: potentially having a trauma response and feeling that and me 181 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: not handling it correctly. But sometimes empathy being caught on 182 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: something is far stronger than an opinion being shared and 183 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 3: a private in a private group. Could you think that 184 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: that makes you feel like a better person to judge 185 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 3: that person in that moment? Empathy, always for the win, 186 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 3: but I'm always here to have conversation if you're up 187 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: for it in my DM, privately or on the phone 188 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: or in person wherever. I'd rather have it to my 189 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 3: face than behind my back. Always, always, always. 190 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 2: Being straight sized women, we don't have the lived experience 191 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: of what it's actually like being in a bigger body 192 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 2: and feeling that judgment on public transport or just in 193 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: general day to day life. And I think that it 194 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 2: is a really important and interesting conversation to have. And 195 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: I think that that was her intention. She was trying 196 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: to ignite a broader discussion regarding body language and also 197 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: being aware of how it's potentially making others feel in 198 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: saying that. I just think that she who went about 199 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 2: it in the completely wrong way. In my opinion, it 200 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: just looks like this guy is sitting the way that 201 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,599 Speaker 2: most of us would sit next to anyone on public transport. 202 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 2: I know, whenever I'm on a bus or a tram, 203 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: I generally turn my body away because I want to 204 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: give the person next to me a lot of space. 205 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: And I'd be more likely to also turn away if 206 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: it was someone of the opposite sex as well. I 207 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 2: think men are getting a bit scared to go out 208 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: in public these days because everyone seems to be filming 209 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: them for some sort of TikTok, Like it's either at 210 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 2: the gym people are filming to try and get men's 211 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 2: reaction in the background. 212 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 4: And also maybe that's why he looks so uncomfortable. 213 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: Yes, it's not sure how the photo was actually taken, 214 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 2: but as you said, it was a rather strange angle 215 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: that looks like someone either was taking it opposite him. So, 216 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: I mean, people think they're being really sneaky when they're 217 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: taking photos, but nine out of ten times you do 218 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: know someone is taking a secret photo of you, or 219 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: that she's stuck her phone up and is filming her 220 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: journey home. 221 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: And that's the thing. 222 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: We're only seeing a snapshot of this man's behavior on 223 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: public transport. I mean, who know, he could have done 224 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 2: some other things which made Hillary feel uncomfortable, but in 225 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: this photo it literally looked like he was doing nothing wrong. 226 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: And the fact that she didn't go and blur out 227 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: his face but then labeled him as immature and not 228 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: a safe man. I mean, to this huge community of people, 229 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: can you imagine if you saw your partner popping up 230 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: on one of these pages innocently sitting on a train 231 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: or his boss sees him and it's like, hang on, 232 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: what have you been doing? This photo of you has 233 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: gone viral and literally just sitting next to someone on 234 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: a public transport. Again, I agree, that's literally how I 235 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 2: would sit next to someone. I am so conscious of 236 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 2: not trying to get into people's personal space, and likewise, 237 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: I don't like it when people are in my personal. 238 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 4: Space, and that's a thing. 239 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 2: Body language can be so subjective, So I mean, someone 240 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: could be just having a bad day and maybe they're 241 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: upset and it's nothing about how they feel about you. 242 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: But I think in this situation, she was really projecting 243 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: her own feelings onto this guy and maybe some experiences 244 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 2: that she had in the past. 245 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 5: A really excited well really excited data. 246 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 4: But I'm going to have a good day to day 247 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 4: another week. 248 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 2: Another relationship update from UK YouTuber Saffron Baker. Just over 249 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: two weeks ago, Saffron sparked break up rumors when she 250 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: unfollowed her NFL hopeful boyfriend Lewis Reesambert. At the time, 251 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,479 Speaker 2: she also liked comments on her posts that referred. 252 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 4: Lewis had cheated. 253 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: Now the following week, Saffron did a complete backflip and 254 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: hit back at claims that she'd broken up with the 255 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 2: former Welsh rugby player. She responded to a TikTok comment 256 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 2: saying it was all a big misunderstanding and that her 257 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 2: and Lewis were together and quote so happy. A source 258 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: even released a statement saying Saffron and Lewis are very 259 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: much together and have not split. 260 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 4: They are happy in. 261 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: Their relationship and continue to focus on their careers. Lewis 262 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: has remained faithful to Saffron throughout their relationship and they 263 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 2: remain a strong couple navigating a long distance relationship. A 264 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: week appears to be a long time in the influencer world, 265 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: because on Friday, Saffron confirmed she is no longer in 266 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 2: a relationship with Lewis. She shared a statement to her 267 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: Instagram story saying she wanted to address the rumors but 268 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: wouldn't be going into any detail. She then went on 269 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 2: to thank her followers for their support and messages. I 270 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 2: don't think this came as a surprise to many of 271 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: her followers, though, because a lot of super sluths had 272 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 2: pieced it together again that they had unfollowed each other. 273 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 2: They'd remove photos of one another, and also Saffron was 274 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: putting up a lot of clues on her Instagram that 275 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: she was single and having fun without him. What about 276 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: on her TikTok because she was using that platform a 277 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 2: bit like how people would use MSN back in the day, 278 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: putting up these passive, aggressive song lyrics. She put up 279 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: her miming to Ariana Grande song Bye Boy and she 280 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: added the caption to the video when boyby Never felt 281 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 2: So Good. The best thing about that is that she 282 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 2: was alluding to the fact that she's going to spill 283 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: all of the goss on her podcast because she had 284 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 2: her podcast headphones on and had just sat down to record. Yeah. 285 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: She also mind to that part of Rihanna's song Same 286 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 2: Old Love when it says take away your things and go. 287 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 4: Can't take back what you said? Oh no, I've heard. 288 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 2: It all before at least a million times. What about 289 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 2: her mum's comment on that TikTok though she commented, Yes, 290 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 2: that's my girl. Don't let that lying, manipulative piece of 291 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 2: shit bring you down. The best bit is Wendy was 292 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 2: on Safari in Kenya at the time, and she took 293 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 2: time out of her holiday to back it up on 294 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: her own personal Instagram story, so she ended up sharing 295 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: Saffron's TikTok to her two hundred and sixty six thousand 296 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: followers and wrote, haven't had proper WiFi for days, but 297 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: that's more like my strong independent girl. Don't ever let 298 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: that disgusting, manipulative piece of shit ever stomp on your parade, 299 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: and she ended up deleting the story. I'm guessing that 300 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 2: Saffron made a message her and said take it down, 301 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: but she did then put up a quote that said 302 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 2: I hope Karma slapped him in the face before I do, 303 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 2: and then she added and then let's move on with 304 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: a smiling emoji. I bet she regrets setting up that 305 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: Valentine's Day h thing for him. 306 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 4: If it could. 307 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 2: I don't get any more embarrassing for poor Saffron. Her 308 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 2: twelve year old cousin even appears to have gotten in 309 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 2: on the action of trolling Lewis. So Saffron has been 310 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 2: babysitting her younger cousins this week, and she ended up 311 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 2: tagging her cousin Archie in her Instagram story at one point, 312 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 2: and someone has spotted that the same account has been 313 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: writing troll comments on videos of Lewis, which include this 314 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 2: guy is a cheetah. Cheetah was spelt wrong, and another 315 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: comment said you can see his mini pecker. He is 316 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: done stupid guy who doesn't know how. 317 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 4: To treat people. 318 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: Correct Now, I have to point out that this comment 319 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 2: was in reference to a photo dump that Lewis recently 320 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 2: put up, and he was wearing some very revealing they 321 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: were bike shorts and you could see everything, and a 322 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: lot of people in the comment section were saying, oh 323 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 2: my god, I think it looked at me because there 324 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 2: was such a distinctive outline, but it wasn't the most 325 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 2: flattering of photos. I actually really like that Saffron's family 326 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 2: have come out in her defense because it's clear this 327 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 2: guy has been a complete asshole to her and she's 328 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: probably dying to say something. Yeah, that's the thing everyone's saying. Oh, 329 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: it's embarrassing for her. She'd be embarrassing for him because 330 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: he's clearly the one that's done her wrong in this situation. Yeah, 331 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: but it'd be hard if your family are just going 332 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: rogue on stuff, like you would want some control over 333 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: how you're dealing with it publicly, like she probably would 334 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: prefer to come across as more mature than having her 335 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 2: mother say stuff. But maybe she thinks it looks better 336 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: coming from other people than from her year old would 337 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: come and saying he's got a small dick. Yeah, I 338 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: don't think that was really that good. Everyone is hoping 339 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: that she speaks about this on her podcast, where we 340 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 2: do have to wait for a couple of days before 341 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: that's released. 342 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 4: However, she did release a. 343 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: YouTube video on Sunday night entitled huge Life Update Trying 344 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: to Stay Positive and Future Plans. My finger clicked so 345 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: quickly on this YouTube video. Now, she vlogged her week 346 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 2: and I was like, gee, she seems really upbeat. But 347 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 2: by the second day that was when the shit must 348 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: have hit the fan, because she apologized to her audience 349 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 2: for not vlogging her evening because apparently something big happened. 350 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 4: Let's row to what she's said. 351 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 6: I didn't really end up vlogging much yesterday, and I 352 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 6: do apologize. 353 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: I ended up having one of the worst. 354 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 6: Evenings I want to say my life so far it was. 355 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 3: It was. 356 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 6: To be honest, we've just like literally hell for me, 357 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 6: it's not there, it's been up, it's been down. It's 358 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 6: people's Yeah, I get into Yeah, exactly, I might, we're 359 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 6: going to get into it. But someone really close to 360 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 6: me has really really hurt my trust, and I tried 361 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 6: to forgive them when they clearly don't deserve any sort 362 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 6: of forgiveness. 363 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 5: So, yeah, that's up. 364 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: I can't help but feel really sorry for her. 365 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 2: This would be so difficult to navigate in the public 366 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: eye when you're in your early twenties. I know that 367 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: she has made this relationship very public, and she did 368 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: do so very early on, but it still wouldn't make 369 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 2: any of this hurt any less. Yeah, it seems like 370 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: making the relationship really public has kind of helped her 371 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: in the end, though, because she did make a comment 372 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: on the vlog saying if it wasn't for some girls girls, 373 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: that she wouldn't know a lot of things. So it 374 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: seems like she has got an influx of messages from 375 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 2: girls at Lewis has been messaging, I assume, and I 376 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 2: got the vibe that he had made some cock and 377 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 2: ball story up while she was away in Dubai. Yes, 378 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: he obviously made some excuses up as to you know, oh, 379 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 2: I'm such a good guy, take me back. That was 380 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 2: a misunderstanding, and then she's caught this onslaught of people saying, no, 381 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 2: he's a fucking dickhead. He's talking to this girl. Yeah, well, 382 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: I mean early on he did have a reputation as 383 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 2: being a fuck boy, and I saw a lot of 384 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 2: commentary around the fact that he would message university students 385 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 2: really crude things about bananas and what they would do 386 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: allegedly allegedly, and he always seemed to be following and 387 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 2: then unfollowing Jemma Owen from Love Island, and it was 388 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 2: quite clear his ideal woman was a brunette, which seems 389 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: to be a parent now because he's adding all of 390 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 2: these famous brunettes. O. Saffron isn't a brunette for those 391 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 2: who don't actually follow her, she is blonde. The awkward 392 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: thing is he's gone and re followed Jemma Owens from 393 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: Love Island again and then followed her because she clearly 394 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 2: wasn't having any of it and didn't follow her that. 395 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: I also followed Caddie from Love Island. I can't think 396 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: of her last name. 397 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 4: McDermott. 398 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, she is a lot older than him, and apparently 399 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: she's headed to the US. So everyone has been keeping 400 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,719 Speaker 2: an eye on their interactions with one another. The awkward 401 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 2: thing about Jenna Owen is she used to date Saffron's ex. 402 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: Do you know what gets even more complicated with that 403 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 2: is that the rumor is that Saffron was in Dubai 404 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 2: and allegedly cheated on her boyfriend Tyler with Luca Bish 405 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 2: and Saffron's only just got back from Dubai and that 406 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 2: was where their shit initially hit the fan. So Dubai 407 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 2: does not seem to be a very good place for her. 408 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 2: Getting back to this vlog, it was quite awkward because 409 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 2: she also mentioned that she's getting a three year visa 410 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: for the US, which means she'll be able to work 411 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 2: on her acting, and originally she was talking about moving 412 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: over there to be. 413 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: With him, so that would be another slap in the face. 414 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 2: There is this really awkward grab going viral of her 415 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 2: on TikTok where she said that she would move to 416 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: the US for Lewis if he got accepted by the NFL, 417 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 2: and I just feel so sorry for that. She's clearly 418 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 2: trying to save face because she was probably telling friends 419 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 2: and family, Oh, I'm going to go over for Lewis, 420 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 2: but it's more so for my actor. Yeah. Well, her 421 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: and Imagen, which is Saffron Barker's brother's girlfriend. They are 422 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: actually going to LA this week and they were very 423 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 2: excited about it, and she said she's doing some acting 424 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: classes over there and Imagen's doing some dancing classes. She 425 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 2: really was trying to push that she's very happy and 426 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: that she's focused on this career, but you can tell 427 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 2: behind the scenes she'd be absolutely devastating. Well, she's only 428 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 2: just found out that her boyfriend's cheating on her. Yeah, 429 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: it's interesting to look at how Lewis is dealing with 430 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: this breakup because it's the complete opposite. He is acting 431 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 2: like nothing has happened. He's been sharing videos of himself 432 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: at the NFL camp as normal, and a sports website 433 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 2: has been reporting that the twenty three year old is 434 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 2: in a three way tug of war between American NFL 435 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: sides offering him around nine hundred thousand dollars a year 436 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: to sign up for their summer training squads. Now, Lewis 437 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: has been quoted as saying that he he was disappointed 438 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: with his performance time in a forty yard sprint in 439 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 2: front of NFL scouts. Now, I do wonder if he's 440 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 2: been distracted by all this relationship drama going down. It's 441 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 2: so mean but funny at the same time, because a 442 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: video of his sprint has gone on to TikTok and 443 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 2: people have been commenting saying that he was sprinting away 444 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 2: from Saffron when she showed him images of their Ai 445 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 2: babies that she created. I couldn't first out laughing when 446 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 2: I saw this. There are a lot of people who 447 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: are taking pleasure in this, and I think most of 448 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 2: those people are teenage girls who had a crush on Lewis, 449 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 2: And a lot of people seem to be taking this 450 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: really seriously and probably too far, because people have been 451 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 2: tracking the tweets that Saffron has been liking, and one said, 452 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,959 Speaker 2: I have a new level of respect for Saffron Baker. 453 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: Get it all out, girl. We want to know everything 454 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 2: our scirls find out. Remember that now Saffron clearly wears 455 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 2: a heart on her sleeve, and we do need to 456 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: remember she's only twenty three and she is living in 457 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 2: a world where she feels that she needs to share 458 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 2: all of these personal moments. So I am sure she 459 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: is heavily regretting all of the things that she shared 460 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: recently on social media, because when he left the US. 461 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 2: She shared a video about him being her soul mate 462 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 2: and we have spoken about on the show that elaborate 463 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 2: Valentine's Day set up. 464 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 4: There was also this love. 465 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 2: Letter thing, so she filmed herself reading a love letter 466 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: that Lewis had sent her, and it had the caption 467 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: point of view, You've got the man you've dreamed of 468 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 2: your entire life, long distance, but he writes you love letters. 469 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 2: I would be taking all of that shit down. It's 470 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 2: still up on it, Tair. 471 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: You know what, this is a lesson for all young girls. 472 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 2: If someone is too good to be true, generally they are. 473 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 2: But everyone's acting like, oh, Saffron's been a psycho in 474 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 2: this situation. He still sent her the love note saying 475 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 2: what about. In her vlog how she basically dropped that 476 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 2: she was having to return something to Louis Verton and 477 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 2: he had got her Louis Viton's shoes for Valentine's Day. 478 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 2: So everyone's gone, She's got it. She's returning the shoes. 479 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 4: See. I wondered differently. 480 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 2: I thought maybe because she has got this trip planned 481 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 2: to the US. I thought she potentially has bought him 482 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: something and it's hard to return her I just really 483 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 2: hope that she actually goes into on her podcast. I 484 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 2: know she said that she won't be dropping any more details, 485 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 2: but I think that that's a big, fat lie, particularly 486 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 2: with the way her family and friends are being carrying on. 487 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: I think that she wants everyone to know just how 488 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 2: badly he has hurt her. And also I think it's 489 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 2: almost a warning to other girls to stay away from him. 490 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 7: Yeah. 491 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 2: Well, on her podcast, where there's obviously shit was hitting 492 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 2: the fan and we weren't sure what was going on. 493 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 2: She sounded so flat like she barely even said anything 494 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 2: on the most recent episode, so I think it's going 495 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 2: to be fairly obvious what the goal is and how 496 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 2: she's feeling. I think it will be hard for her 497 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 2: not to say anything. 498 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 5: Sorry. 499 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 8: I don't care if it sounds ungrateful, but like, babe. 500 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 2: Please, Sky Wheatley and Lily Brown have taken a trip 501 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 2: down memory lane, exploring what really went on behind the 502 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 2: scenes of Australia's infamous influencer Click. During the hour long podcast, 503 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 2: Lily also appeared to take a swipe at Sofa Do 504 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: for bringing out rival pajamas to kick things off. So 505 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 2: how did Sky and Lily become friends in the first place. Well, 506 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 2: in this episode, they explained that they met through Shannee 507 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 2: Grimmin and Michael Finch and basically they would hang out 508 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 2: for Sunday sessions at a bar called The Fox, and 509 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 2: there was a lot of binge drinking going on, and 510 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: this is how they formed their friendship. So at the time, 511 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 2: Shanni and Michael were at the top of. 512 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: Their influencing careers. 513 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 2: To put it into perspective, they were selling merch lines 514 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 2: with Beginning Boutique, which had their own slogans across them, 515 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 2: and they were also packing out males for meat and 516 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 2: greet So it was quite opportunistic of Sky and Lily 517 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 2: to become. 518 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: Friends with them. 519 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 2: In saying that, though Sky has famed from Big Brothers, 520 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: so I think Michael Finch actually watched her and Big 521 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,239 Speaker 2: brother and there was a sort of mutual fangirling going on, 522 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 2: whereas with Lily, I found her so opportunistic. Yeah, from 523 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: the start, Like I remember I used to watch all 524 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 2: of their vlogs and I was like, who's this girl 525 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 2: trying to get in on her? 526 00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:58,959 Speaker 1: Do you blame her? 527 00:23:59,000 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 4: Though? 528 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 2: I mean she was so young at the time, like 529 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 2: everyone wanted to be their friend. There would have been 530 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 2: so many people coming out of the woodwork trying to 531 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: be friends with them. This friendship group also consisted of 532 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 2: Rannie Brandsby, and I think that the fact that they 533 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 2: had this group is why they were so popular, because 534 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: they were sort of these side characters that really complimented 535 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: the main characters, and they were a lot stronger together 536 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: because viewers loved their dynamic, and they also enjoyed speculating 537 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 2: who was fighting with who behind the scenes. And this 538 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: was happening a lot because it all blew up on 539 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 2: this infamous US trip. So we actually have done a 540 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 2: deep dive on this trip before, but you could just 541 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 2: tell by watching each person's vlog that there was so 542 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 2: much tension between all of the people on the trip. 543 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 2: I think the root of the tension though, was Sky Wheatley. Yeah, 544 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 2: you could tell everyone was just so over her. Yeah, 545 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 2: well it was confirmed in the podcast. Here's what they said. 546 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 8: When we went to that restaurant. Last time we went 547 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 8: to this restaurant. Who had a fight was you? Me 548 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,959 Speaker 8: and Michael. 549 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 5: I don't even remember what I was in New York 550 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 5: and the last night and oh. 551 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 8: That's right, I had a drink and Michael was like, ah, 552 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 8: here comes guys alter. 553 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 7: Ego, and I'm like, fair, to be fair, we'd seen 554 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 7: some shit with you and that goddamn alter ego. 555 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 5: Man memory, I left you in the street one. 556 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 8: I felt like I was a really drunk, messy one 557 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 8: that would always just be left behind. 558 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 7: Well no, okay, okay, not putting me, but people were like, 559 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 7: fuck off. Well, everyone was just trying to manage you, 560 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 7: and you weren't listening. 561 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 8: One can manage me. 562 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 5: It was just it was driving everybody mad. 563 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 7: And there was just one night where we got we 564 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 7: actually got an uber back to I think we were 565 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 7: staying at Michael's Plaze, and we got an uber back 566 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 7: to Michaels Blaze. 567 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,479 Speaker 5: And she was just so out of control, out of control. 568 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: We left her. 569 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 5: We literally left her in the road out in the 570 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 5: front of Michael's apartment. She knew where she was. 571 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 7: We were just like, okay, you're not coming right, that's it, 572 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 7: We're done. 573 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 5: We're gone, bye bye. You know where you're going. 574 00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 8: I couldn't imagine. 575 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 4: It sounds like she was very difficult to be around. 576 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 2: I mean, I got that vibe in the vlogs and 577 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 2: I wasn't even on the trip because she was so loud. 578 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 2: She would always be singing her name. I mean, it's 579 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: probably very entertaining on a reality TV show like Big Brother, 580 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 2: and now she's on I'm a celeb, Get me out 581 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 2: of here, and people are loving it. 582 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 4: But God, you wouldn't want to be living with. 583 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:19,719 Speaker 1: That on a holiday. 584 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 2: I to add to it, apparently she would always say 585 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: to Michael, we're so famous. And I do wonder if 586 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 2: this got a lot of the other people on the 587 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 2: trip's noses out of joint because at the time, there 588 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 2: were paparazzi following Sky around on this trip, and it's 589 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 2: quite funny because obviously Shanie and Michael were probably the 590 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 2: big deals back in Australia. Yeah, there was definitely jostling 591 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 2: for who was more important on this trip. I have 592 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 2: to take my hat off to Lily, though. She did 593 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 2: ask a lot of questions that I wanted to know. 594 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 2: So she asked Sky whether her partner Lockie was going 595 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 2: to propose anytime soon, and she did touch on this 596 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 2: in a recent Q and A that she had actually 597 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 2: told him not to propose. We found out that this 598 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 2: was actually a part of her thirtieth birthday celebrations from 599 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, so Sky discovered ahead of 600 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 2: time that her friend Live had asked Locke if he 601 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 2: needed some help planning her birthday, and apparently he responded 602 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 2: saying that he had something very special planned and had 603 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 2: it all under control. Now. Being best friends, Live around 604 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 2: to Sky and gave her heads up on what was 605 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 2: going on. Let's throw to the grab. 606 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 8: I said to Lockie, don't you dare propose to me 607 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 8: on my thirtieth birthday? Babe, split the dates up. Come on, 608 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 8: We're not doing a two in one. 609 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 5: Sorry. 610 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 8: I don't care if it sounds ungrateful, but like, babe, 611 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 8: please please don't do it the thirtieth birthday. 612 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 5: That's like a big deal. 613 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 7: But then okay, so would your marger so your anniversary 614 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 7: would also be on your birthday exactly. 615 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 2: I see where Sky's coming from. I personally wouldn't want 616 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 2: to be proposed to on my birthday either, because it 617 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: sort of takes shine away from the day on a 618 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 2: separate day when someone proposes to you, so you can 619 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 2: have a separate anniversary. To be fair to Lockey, though, 620 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 2: I think that Sky would have a lot of prerequisites 621 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 2: around this engagement, so she would want to look very 622 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 2: nice particularly if it's being filmed or photographed. So I 623 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 2: can see why guys piggyback off certain events because they know, hey, 624 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 2: all their friends are there, They're gonna enjoy sharing the 625 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 2: moment with them, They're gonna look nice. 626 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 4: I can see why he was gonna do it. 627 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 2: Then, my sister in law actually got proposed to on 628 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 2: her birthday, and she had just run a half marathon, 629 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 2: And when I got told, I thought, holy fuck. I 630 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 2: hope that he wasn't stupid enough to do it when 631 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 2: she crossed the finishing line. 632 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 4: Now, no one wants that. 633 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, no one wants that. 634 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 2: Thankfully, he was smart enough let her have a shower, 635 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: put some makeup on, and then had a surprise ready 636 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 2: for her in the laundrym I just think you're probably 637 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 2: just so grateful to actually get proposed to that you're like, 638 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 2: wouldn't I mean, I probably wouldn't have cared if it 639 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 2: was on our birthday, only my only thought would be 640 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 2: that it would piss you guys off sharing our birthday. 641 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 2: To be fair, we got and I got proposed to 642 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 2: on the same day, on Christmas Eve, And I suppose 643 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 2: you could say that Christmas Eve is a day where 644 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 2: you can't really go out and celebrate an anniversary as well. 645 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: It's not the same. He's bothered by that. 646 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 4: Pretty keen about that. 647 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 2: But do you have a proposal anniversary because normally the 648 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: wedding is, you know, a year or so after, So 649 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: I feel like your wedding anniversary, trump's any sort of 650 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 2: proposal anniversary. 651 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 4: I'm struggling to know. 652 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 2: I know it was in early May, but my black 653 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 2: friend remember what day was? Protest? People like doing throwback 654 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 2: photos that on Instagram, and I can imagine that's something 655 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 2: Sky Wheatley would so. 656 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: Sadly that you're that you're concerned. 657 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: About not able to do that on Christmas, even do 658 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 2: it on Christmas Eve. Anyway, Anyways, I thought it was 659 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 2: pretty interesting in this interview when they started talking about 660 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 2: the renovations on Sky's Haunted Mansion, as she calls it, 661 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 2: because Sky actually revealed how much they've put into the 662 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: renovations so far. So she confirmed that they purchased the 663 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 2: abandoned mansion for nine hundred and seventy thousand dollars back 664 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, and they've all also taken out a 665 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 2: loan for six hundred and fifty thousand dollars for renovations. Now, 666 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 2: these are major renovations. I think they've been renovating the 667 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 2: house ever since they moved in, so it's nearly been 668 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 2: five years. She did say that they recently had the 669 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: house valued and it came back as being worth between 670 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: one point two million and one point five, which surprised 671 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 2: me because this is a massive mansion. They put so 672 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 2: much time and effort into this house. It has been 673 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 2: a really long process because Lockie has been doing the 674 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 2: majority of the renovations himself if but they haven't actually 675 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 2: finished the renolds yet. I am sure they are going 676 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 2: to probably double what they spent on this house. I mean, 677 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 2: I'm shocked that it's still being valued, as you said 678 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 2: in the one point two to one point five, because 679 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 2: I would have thought alone, without them doing anything to 680 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 2: this house, that it would have gone up way more. Yeah, 681 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 2: because you see some absolute shitholes that sell for one 682 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 2: point two and they're like a two bedroom house closer 683 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 2: to the city. It might be because this house, well 684 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 2: she described it as being in the stick, so it 685 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,719 Speaker 2: seems to be a far way away from the city. 686 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 2: I did find it interesting because Lily mentioned that her 687 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 2: and Jet are currently house hunting, but they've been put 688 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 2: off with how expensive it is and the interest rates, 689 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 2: just like everyone else. But she kept making quite a 690 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 2: few comments about the fact that she hasn't got as 691 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 2: much money as people think she has. So, like she 692 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 2: spoke about how she wanted to go to this meditation 693 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 2: person and she actually had to cancel her appointments because 694 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 2: she didn't have enough money to fund it. And I 695 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 2: was like, wow, that's a really interesting insight because you 696 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 2: just assume that these influencers have so much money to spend. Yeah, 697 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 2: but she said in the past, isn't that because of 698 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: her pajama line, Like she puts so much of her 699 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 2: money back into the business. Yeah. Well, she was very 700 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: candid about her business as well. Both of the women 701 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 2: were so Sky runs Good People Apparel with her friend Tory, 702 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 2: and that she actually admitted that three years into the business, 703 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 2: they're not where they thought they would be. 704 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 4: Let's throw to a little. 705 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 7: Bit of what she said, pull up the chill Bank 706 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 7: account now, let's see Torri will kill me. 707 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 8: She's like, if anyone asks how GPA is going, just 708 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 8: say good. 709 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 5: And I'm like, yeah, yeah, really good? Were really really good? 710 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 2: Bye? 711 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 5: Did that drop? 712 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: Can you imagine being Tory listening to this podcast, I'm like, 713 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 2: for fox sake, the one thing I told you not 714 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 2: to mention. It was interesting though, because Lily also opened 715 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 2: up about her pajama line Chill, and she seemed pretty 716 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 2: dirty on other influencers who have recently released pajamas. 717 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 4: Here's what she said. 718 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 7: I think it's interesting what you just said though about 719 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 7: like having competitors and stuff, because obviously, like I've noticed 720 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 7: the last i would say twelve maybe the last six 721 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 7: months specifically, like there's been a few other influences that 722 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 7: have started pajama Broh. 723 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 8: My god, I even want to do pajamas. I've been 724 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 8: saying it to Tory for so many years. I'm like, pj's, pj's, 725 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 8: pj's like you live as a mom. 726 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 4: I go to the kindy drop off in my PJ. 727 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, babe. 728 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 8: And if it's like yours nice enough to wear. 729 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 5: Out, don't rip me off, babe. Company. I'm like, I'm kidding, 730 00:32:59,240 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 5: but I'm not. 731 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 8: Yeah, I know it is hard when there's up and 732 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 8: coming competitors. 733 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 7: Definitely, and it's like it's like when there's yeah, like 734 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 7: this is my like this like chill is my whole life. 735 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 8: Like I've literally put every every single life, your business. 736 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 7: Every single thing into that, and so yeah, like i'd 737 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 7: be lying if I was going to say it's not 738 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 7: like a little bit frustrating. 739 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 2: As soon as I heard this, I thought she's talking 740 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 2: about Sofa Dofer because the timings match up, and Sofa 741 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 2: Dofa is absolutely dominating at the moment with her pajamas. 742 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 2: They're selling out in record times. And this was sort 743 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 2: of a theme running throughout this interview is that Lily 744 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 2: and Sky they feel like they're out of their prime. 745 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: They said that we're done. 746 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 2: We've been doing this for so long, and I think 747 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 2: that this is how a lot of OG influencers are 748 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 2: feeling at the moment. A couple of weeks ago, we 749 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 2: spoke about how Kati Milan feels irrelevant, and I think 750 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 2: that they're starting to feel irrelevant. I think they're a 751 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 2: little bit dirty. That they didn't start their businesses in 752 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 2: their prime either. So back in the day when they 753 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 2: were in their heyday, they were just really on brand 754 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 2: deals and sponsorships, and obviously those things don't actually build 755 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 2: up your wealth, particularly if they're going and spending it 756 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 2: on designer products. Whereas if they had set up a business, 757 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 2: say like Shaney Grimman with Silk Swim, she seems to 758 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 2: be very successful and it doesn't seem to now rely 759 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 2: on who she is anymore, and she can kind of 760 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 2: pull back from the influencing space, whereas I think these 761 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 2: two may have left it a little bit too late. 762 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: Well that's all we've got today. 763 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to another episode of Outspoken. 764 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 2: If you did enjoy the podcast, we would love if 765 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 2: you could leave us a five star review because it 766 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 2: really does help the podcast out and for those who 767 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 2: want to hear more content from us, Every Thursday we 768 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 2: drop a subscriber only episode. 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