1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: Just a heads up before we get into today's episode. 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: We're going to chat through some distressing themes, including sexual assault. 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Listener discretion is advised already. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 2: And this is the Daily Art. This is the Daily OS. Oh, 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: now it makes sense. Good morning, and welcome to the 6 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: Daily OS. It's Tuesday, the twenty first of October. I'm 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: Billy fitz Simon's I'm Emma Gillespie. Over the weekend, Prince 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: Andrew announced he's giving up his royal title, the Duke 9 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: of York, after allegations linking him to the late sex 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: offender Jeffrey Epstein continue to cause controversy worldwide. Now, police 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 2: in London have confirmed they're actively looking into recent media 12 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: reports claiming Andrew attempted to use his access as a 13 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: member of the royal family to quote dig up dirt 14 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: on his alleged victim, Virginia Jeffrey. Today we will share 15 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 2: the latest on this story. 16 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: Billy, we are talking about the latest headlines announcement, some 17 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: big updates from the royal family about Prince Andrew. But 18 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: for our listeners who might not be so familiar with 19 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: the ins and outs of the Royal family, who is 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: Prince Andrew? 21 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: So he is the brother of King Charles. He is 22 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: the second son of the late Queen Elizabeth and the 23 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: late Prince Philip. He is probably best known now, certainly 24 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: after the last six years, for his friendship or relationship 25 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 2: with the late Jeffrey Epstein. Now a very quick note 26 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: on Epstein. He was an American businessman and a convicted 27 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: sex offender. He died by suicide in twenty nineteen in 28 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: a New York jail cell, but the crimes he committed 29 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: have continued to cause controversy. And because Epstein has died 30 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: and longer face trial for his alleged crimes, the ones 31 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: that he wasn't convicted for, the world's attention has turned 32 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: over the past six years since his death to the 33 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: alleged crimes of his associates and friends. 34 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: Which we have seen playing out very recently. An ongoing 35 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: kind of controversy surrounding his relationship with Donald Trump, for example, 36 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: the US presidents. So this is a really high profile 37 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: story that seems to have captured the attention of all 38 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: corners of the world, really the media and you know, 39 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: just people in general online seem quite gripped, fascinated, disturbed 40 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: by these relationships, and you know, we have this kind 41 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: of natural curiosity to want to know more about who 42 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: Epstein was connected to. 43 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, so whenever we hear the phrase Epstein files, this 44 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: is the man that we are talking about. 45 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 1: So what do we need to know about his relationship 46 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: with Prince Andrew specifically? 47 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 2: So, Prince Andrew and Epstein's friendship is one of the 48 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 2: key parts of why we are talking about Prince Andrew 49 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: today because it's been basically the key part of all 50 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: of the headlines that have been circulating around him for 51 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: the past six years. Now, what you need to know 52 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: is that one of Epstein's accusers is a woman named 53 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: Virginia Giffray. 54 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: Now that name may be familiar to our listeners because 55 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: Virginia Giffrey died earlier this year. She actually had been 56 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: living in Australia for some time, but she claimed she 57 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: was trafficked by Epstein as well as his former partner 58 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: Glaine Maxwell, and forced to engage in sexual activity with 59 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: Prince Andrew when she was underage. So her story specifically 60 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: focused on Prince Andrew's involvement, and Giuffrey died by suicide 61 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: earlier this year, right. 62 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: Exactly, And you might remember all listeners might remember that 63 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: infamous interview that Prince Andrew did all the way back 64 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen with the BBC. Now, that interview did 65 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: these allegations that were brought forward by Virginia Jeffrey that 66 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: she was raped by Prince Andrew, And in that interview 67 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: he famously said that or he famously denied the allegations 68 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: because he said that he was at a pizza joint 69 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: on the night of the alleged rape. 70 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: Yep, there is a very infamous photo that I'm sure 71 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people are thinking of in their mind 72 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: right now where Virginia Duffrey is photographed with Prince Andrew 73 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: and also Glaine Maxwell, the former partner of Jeffrey Epstein. 74 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: But Prince Andrew denied that that photo was legitimate. He's 75 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: always maintained that it was photoshopped or docted in some way. 76 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: That interview. I think it's fair to say Billy did 77 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: not go well for Prince Andrew. It was not received 78 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: in kind of the court of public opinion as clearing 79 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: his name exactly. 80 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 2: He has always denied the allegations against him, and he 81 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: has also repeatedly rejected allegations of any wrongdoing in connection 82 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: to Epstein, however, saying that he did settle a lawsuit 83 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: with Virginia Juffrey in twenty twenty two without admitting any wrongdoing. 84 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: We'll bring you more of today's deep dive right after 85 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: a quick word from our sponsor. Okay, so, Billy, you've 86 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: given us the background. Who is Prince Andrew, Who is 87 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, Who is Virginia Juffrey. But why are we 88 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: talking about these people today? 89 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 2: So over the weekend it was announced that Prince Andrew 90 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: is giving up his royal titles. So that means he 91 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 2: has resigned his title as the Duke of York and 92 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: also the Order of the Garter membership, which is the 93 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: most senior level of knighthood in the UK. 94 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: Okay, so it's not just that he is no longer 95 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: a duke. He's also no longer a. 96 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: Knight exactly, which is quite a rare thing for members 97 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 2: of the royal family to do. For example, Prince Harry, 98 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,799 Speaker 2: even though he has stepped away completely from the royal family, 99 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: he's still the Duke of Sussex. So I think that 100 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 2: just gives you a signal of how rare this is. 101 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, or kind of in you know, recent history if 102 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: a royal family member does denounce their title or walk 103 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: away from that, it's for reasons, like, you know, they 104 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: want to live and work a quote unquote normal life 105 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: away from the public purse of the royal family. They 106 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: don't want to do the roles that come with the 107 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: responsibilities of being part of the royal family. Or you know, 108 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: in the case of to people who watched the Crown, 109 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: they will know in the case of you know, love affairs, marriages, 110 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: wanting to marry a divorced person, et cetera, et cetera. 111 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: I guess those are the kinds of reasons over the 112 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: last one hundred odd years that people would renounce their titles. Yes. 113 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: So, in a statement, Andrews said that quote the continued 114 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: accusations against him were distracting from the work of the 115 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: royal family, and he also repeated his denial of any wrongdoing. 116 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: He emphasized in that statement that this was a decision 117 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: that was made in consultation with the King, so King Charles, 118 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: his brother. He also added, I have decided, as I 119 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 2: always have to put duty to my family and country first. 120 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: I stand by my decision five years ago to stand 121 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: back from public life. 122 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: Okay, So he has stepped away from his titles, but 123 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: he actually stepped away from the kind of formalities of 124 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: being part of the royal family a long time ago. 125 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: So he did that about five years ago, right after 126 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,239 Speaker 2: the BBC interview came out that we talked about earlier, 127 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: because the backlash against him was so strong. One thing 128 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: I want to note before we go on is that 129 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: you might recognize that we're still saying Prince Andrew. And 130 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: this is something I was confused about because I was like, 131 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: do we still call him Prince Andrew? Yep. He says 132 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: that he will keep that title of Prince, so even 133 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: though he's no longer Duke of York, he's still technically 134 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: Prince Andrew, so that's the only one that he will keep. 135 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: I was going to say, even if he wasn't keeping that, 136 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: I feel that the media would continue to call him 137 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: Prince Andrew anyway, in the same way that he still 138 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: refer to Princess Catherine as Kate Middleton. 139 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: And then I got confused about what's his last name? 140 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: If we do just call him Andrew anyway, it's all 141 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: very confusing. 142 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: It's very confusing. Okay, So obviously, Billy, it's been a 143 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: tumultuous period of about six or so years for Prince Andrew, 144 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: these long term, long standing, historical allegations of abuse. But 145 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: why has he stepped away from that title the Duke 146 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: of York? 147 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: Now? 148 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: Like what has happened in the immediate short term that 149 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: would prompt him to go a step further. 150 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: There are a few things. One is that Virginia Jeffray's 151 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: posthumous memoir is being published this week, it's actually today 152 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: when this episode goes out, and that recounts the story 153 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 2: of how Epstein introduced her to Prince Andrew, and it 154 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 2: also details the alleged rape. Again, she was underage when 155 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 2: these alleged rapes plural took place. Yep. Another thing that 156 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: has come up recently has been Prince Andrew's relationship with 157 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: a prominent figure involved in a China spying case. That's 158 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: kind of a whole other thing. I definitely think it's 159 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 2: worth mentioning, but I don't know if we need to 160 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 2: go into too much detail there. I think just know 161 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: that that is there. And then the other thing, which 162 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: I think is most likely to be the big trigger here, 163 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 2: is that on Sunday, which the timelines might be a 164 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: bit confusing here, But on Sunday some leaked emails came 165 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: out and it is very possible that he got a 166 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 2: heads up that this article with these leaked emails were 167 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: about to be published. 168 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: Okay, so we don't know for sure, but I suppose 169 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: you can assume. And given how things do kind of 170 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: operate with the royal family's relationship with the tabloid media, 171 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: it's such a different beast over in the UK. But 172 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: you know, they would have a lot of sources within 173 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: a tabloid publication like the Daily Mail, who probably would 174 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: have reached out and said, Hi, we're going to publish 175 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: this story. Do you have a comment? And I guess yeah, 176 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: we don't know for sure. It's just speculation, but I think, 177 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: you know, people will make their own minds up about 178 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: the timing. Yes, so tell me about the leaked emails though, like, 179 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: what did that say? 180 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 2: So the Daily Mail in the UK, they claimed through 181 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: these leaked emails that Prince Andrew tried to use his 182 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: police protection which he accesses by being a member of 183 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: the royal family, to obtain personal information about Virginia Giffrey 184 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: back in twenty eleven, before the newspaper was about to 185 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: publish a photo of Jeffrey and Andrew, the one that 186 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 2: we were just talking about for the first time. Okay. 187 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: So this allegation is implying that Prince Andrew was trying 188 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: to dig up dirt about Virginia Jiffrey to discredit her. Yes, okay, 189 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: and if that is true, that would be a kind 190 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: of an abuse of his power as a member of 191 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: the royal family. 192 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 2: Those are the allegations. 193 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So now that that is out there, what's 194 00:10:59,120 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: been the fall out scence? 195 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: The fallout since has been that the police has confirmed 196 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: that they are now investigating those claims. Okay, So a 197 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 2: Metropolitan Police spokesperson has told the media we are aware 198 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: of media reporting and are actively looking into the claims made. 199 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: So no charges have been laid. We have no further 200 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: information or we know is that police are looking into 201 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 2: these allegations because, like we said, it could be an 202 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: abuse of power if it is true. 203 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: Really a fascinating development in this case. I feel like 204 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: everything Epstein related is just continuing to intensify, whether it's 205 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: over in the US, the Epstein files or these ongoing 206 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: investigations and allegations surrounding Prince Andrew. One thing is for sure, 207 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: though we will be hearing more about it in the 208 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: days and weeks to come, and we'll keep you updated 209 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: on the daily hours. We will thank you so much 210 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: for listening to today's podcast. If this episode raised any 211 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: issues for you, help is available through Lifeline on thirteen 212 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: eleven fourteen or one eight hundred. 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