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Speaker 1: Great the flick with Ben o'she good Morning, Good Morning, guys.

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Speaker 2: Certain presidential hopeful tried very hard to make sure this

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Speaker 2: movie didn't come out before the election.

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Speaker 3: It's probably the worst movie. It's probably the worst movie.

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Speaker 3: But yes for her radio.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So former President Donald Trump tried to block this movie,

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Speaker 3: The Apprentice, which is about the early period of his

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Speaker 3: life in the late nineteen seventies early nineteen eighties in

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Speaker 3: New York, before he was the Donald. He was young

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Speaker 3: Donald learning the ropes of business, very much in the

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Speaker 3: shadow of his old man who didn't let him do anything.

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Speaker 3: And so this movie is about how Donald Trump became

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump. And it stars Sebastian stan as Trump, and

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Speaker 3: so a lot of people I think were a little

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Speaker 3: bit surprised by that casting choice. Initially, Sure, Sebastians Dady

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Speaker 3: played the Winter Soldier, he played Tommy. He was fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, doesn't He doesn't look anything like Donald.

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Speaker 3: Trump, and in some of the some of the trailers,

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Speaker 3: he's not really doing the kind of classic mannerisms. But

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Speaker 3: one of the really best things about this movie is

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Speaker 3: as it unfolds, as he kind of becomes more like

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Speaker 3: the Trump we know today. Sebastian Stan's performance actually becomes

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Speaker 3: more Trumpian. Well that's if that's a verb, it works,

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Speaker 3: and so that's that's kind of cool to see. But

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Speaker 3: the other interesting thing about this film, so as it

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Speaker 3: kind of tries to unpack how Trump became the way

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Speaker 3: he is. It's like, so these days, of course, Trump says,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm the greatest businessman in the world. Probably

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Speaker 3: never been a better business person than me. I know business,

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Speaker 3: I've done so many deals. So he's always he's always

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Speaker 3: talking it up, right, always talking up how much he knows.

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Speaker 3: But no one's born with that knowledge. You learn it,

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Speaker 3: and so this movie tries to answer who did he

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Speaker 3: learn it from? And it probably wasn't his dad. He

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Speaker 3: obviously learn a lot from his dad, but this film

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Speaker 3: pitches the idea that he learned pretty much everything from

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Speaker 3: this Manhattan lawyer who was very prominent at the time

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Speaker 3: called Roy Cone, who's played by successions Jeremy Strong.

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Speaker 1: It's fantastic. He was just.

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Speaker 3: So phenomenal and this role is incredible, like he's such

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Speaker 3: a scene stealer and it's interesting watching them interact. So

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Speaker 3: roy Cone basically takes Trump under his wing and says, look,

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Speaker 3: you know, like I see potentially new kid, I also

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Speaker 3: see a beautiful, lush head of golden hair. Nothing will

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Speaker 3: ever happen to that. So I'm going to basically introduce

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Speaker 3: you to the big players. I'm going to get you

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Speaker 3: out of any sticky messes. I'm going to make you

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Speaker 3: legal troubles go away. Because at the time, the Trump

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Speaker 3: family was facing a federal lawsuit about their illegal and

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Speaker 3: potentially racist rental practices in their apartmabilities. They weren't renting

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Speaker 3: to people of color, which is something that happened in

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Speaker 3: real life. And so roy Cone is the one who

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Speaker 3: got them out of the way of that issue by

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Speaker 3: essentially blackmailing the district attorney. And so Roy Cone pretty

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Speaker 3: pretty dodgy guy, but very very accomplished. So and it

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Speaker 3: goes to the details of you know, like things like

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Speaker 3: basically everything that Trump was talking about in the Art

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Speaker 3: of the Deal. You know, all of his kind of

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Speaker 3: trademark things like rule number one, attack attack attack, rule

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Speaker 3: number two you never admit anything, and rule number two three,

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Speaker 3: you never accept defeat. Those kind of you know, the

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Speaker 3: truth is what you make of it. All of those

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Speaker 3: things that we associate with Trump now came from roy

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Speaker 3: Cone and so that's quite interesting to watch. And it

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Speaker 3: also shows his marriage to Ivana, who was played by

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Speaker 3: Maria from from Borak exactly, brilliant, exactly, and she is

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Speaker 3: She's a great Ivana. I don't know if she really

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Speaker 3: looks that much like Havana, but I think she does

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Speaker 3: a great job of portraying what we know of Avana.

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Speaker 3: But when you're watching it, you think to yourself, what

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Speaker 3: was it about this film that Trump hated that he

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Speaker 3: was trying.

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Speaker 1: To block, Yeah, right, damage him what he.

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Speaker 3: Thought would damage him in his run to the White House,

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Speaker 3: And there's one scene that depicts Trump a sexual assault

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Speaker 3: of Ivana, which he said happened in real life, He's

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Speaker 3: denied that it ever happened. And so you look at

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Speaker 3: that and you go, is that what he was worried about?

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Speaker 3: Is it that scene he was worried about? I don't

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Speaker 3: think so. I think what he was worried about is

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Speaker 3: this idea that the film paints him as he was

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Speaker 3: very ambitious, but pretty green, naive guy who was taught

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Speaker 3: everything he knew by someone else. Basically stole those ideas

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Speaker 3: and stabbed his mentor in the back. And I don't

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Speaker 3: think He liked the idea that he was ever weak

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Speaker 3: does come across as a bloke who dodgers financial ruin

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Speaker 3: over and over again by basically talking a lot of

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Speaker 3: bs today, I.

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Speaker 2: Think he just didn't want to be movie fodder in history.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to hide any kind of weaknesses, That's right.

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Speaker 3: And so the film, the film, I wouldn't say it

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Speaker 3: treats Trump sympathetic, but it does acknowledge that there is

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Speaker 3: some humanity there, you know there maybe some people don't

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Speaker 3: associate with him now and some of his behavior. But

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Speaker 3: then as the film goes, that kind of humanity disappears,

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Speaker 3: as he becomes you know, this sort of ego Maye.

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Speaker 2: And fast forwarding obviously part way past the movie's time

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Speaker 2: into when he was president, didn't he and Roy Cohne

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Speaker 2: end up falling out?

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Speaker 1: Didn't They had a big bore It was on his staff.

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Speaker 2: And then so there's a second part to this movie

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Speaker 2: that we hope to see another time.

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Speaker 3: I guess, well, and I don't know if I don't

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Speaker 3: know if anyone will ever be game enough to make

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Speaker 3: another Trump movie after the legal challenges of this one.

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Speaker 3: So there's lots to unpack it. I think they're the positives.

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Speaker 3: The negatives about this film is it's a real kind

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Speaker 3: of style of a substance situation. They make it look

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Speaker 3: like an old VHS videotipe and sometimes it's a bit overcooked.

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Speaker 1: It's like, okay, we get it set in the past.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't need to look like that.

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Speaker 3: And you know, some of the other issues is it

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Speaker 3: feels like box ticking out of time.

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Speaker 1: It's like, do you need like.

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Speaker 3: It's an origin story, right, but you don't need the

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Speaker 3: origin of his Brioni suits. You don't need the origin

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Speaker 3: of him drinking diet coke. You don't need the origin

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Speaker 3: of you know, every single little detail of Trump's life. Now,

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Speaker 3: you don't need it packaged. Band explained as if the

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Speaker 3: audience is an idiot. So there's that makes it a

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Speaker 3: bit superficial when it probably could have got a bit

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Speaker 3: deeper to try and understand why some of these things happened,

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Speaker 3: as opposed to you know, he had a suit fitting

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Speaker 3: with Roy Cone one day and Roy said, why don't

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Speaker 3: you try a Brioni suit?

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Speaker 1: That was like a product placement. It does feel like

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Speaker 1: it does feel like that. Then does it touch on

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Speaker 1: the fact that you know they reckon that? You know,

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Speaker 1: Trump really doesn't have quite as much money as you

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Speaker 1: make care it was up and he did his best

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Speaker 1: to spend all that. He talks about his debt right like.

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Speaker 3: It talks about how much debt he racked up with

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Speaker 3: all these all these projects, and how he was always

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Speaker 3: going to other people saying, oh, look, I'll give you

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Speaker 3: this great opportunity if you can give me some equity

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Speaker 3: to pay off the debt to these guys, and then

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Speaker 3: to the next group says, oh, well, I'll give you

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Speaker 3: something special if i'll pay off those guys. So he's

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Speaker 3: always kind of in the in the hole to somebody

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Speaker 3: for huge amounts of money. It just manages to always

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Speaker 3: just stay one step ahead of the creditors, but not

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Speaker 3: always by the greatest business acumen.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, well that's all we know about it.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, how many Sebastian didn't need the prosthesis.

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Speaker 1: For this one? Are you giving? I'm going to give

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Speaker 1: it three very good? All right, interesting time, were exactly good.

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Speaker 1: Thanks many