WEBVTT - How To Turn The Tables On A Gaslighter ⛽💡

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney brand. We're talking about gas lighting, but kind of

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<v Speaker 2>in a fun way, but then it gets a bit serious.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tell you how to not avoid being

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<v Speaker 2>gas lit, but throw the gas lighting back onto the

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<v Speaker 2>gas lighter. Then I'm going to share a personal story.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to add a trigger warning.

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<v Speaker 4>We talk about eating disorders ever so slightly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nothing too triggering, but the youth of the word fatty,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's true, all right?

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<v Speaker 3>For what said twice, maybe even three times let's get

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<v Speaker 3>to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Flex and Frooms.

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<v Speaker 2>My heart wasn't really broken in school, so yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't speak to that, but I haven't a made the

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<v Speaker 2>Arshalt's one of our favorite segments here on the Flex

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<v Speaker 2>and Froom Show. I'm just going to speak it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I the asshole for auditioning for the role in

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<v Speaker 2>the school play that my bestI wants?

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<v Speaker 3>Whoa brutal.

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<v Speaker 2>This one's from Hannah, my brist friend. Laura and I

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<v Speaker 2>are really into drama and performing. Our school has just

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<v Speaker 2>announced a new school play and the lead role gets

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<v Speaker 2>awarded a scholarship to a short course at a really

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<v Speaker 2>prestigious performing art school.

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<v Speaker 4>Holy hell.

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<v Speaker 2>Laura has said that the role is basically already hers

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<v Speaker 2>and will be mad if anyone tries to go up

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<v Speaker 2>against her for I don't want to fight with her

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<v Speaker 2>for it, so I told her I'm auditioning for another role.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't help but feel like she's being selfish, so

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<v Speaker 2>I secretly auditioned for it without her knowing, and we

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<v Speaker 2>find out the results next week. Am I the asshole

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<v Speaker 2>for hiding this from her?

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<v Speaker 3>Not buss babe, energy babe, go off quine, Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>do what you want. I love I love a subtle

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<v Speaker 3>grass cut, but also.

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<v Speaker 4>Playing the fire hunt.

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<v Speaker 3>Off the jump. I think it's tricky to dib something

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<v Speaker 3>that is not subject to your control. Literally, so like

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<v Speaker 3>the friend that DIBs it just might not be good

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<v Speaker 3>enough to get the role anyway, And then, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't you want it to go to your friend if

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<v Speaker 3>it's not you? I get that for sure. I think, though,

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<v Speaker 3>if the friend who has dibbsed it this is like

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<v Speaker 3>her thing, like she's an actress and she's always liked it,

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<v Speaker 3>then it seems fair that you just let her have

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<v Speaker 3>this win. I don't believe in the mentality that there

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<v Speaker 3>can only be one, but in this instance, like how

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<v Speaker 3>badly do you want it? And is it worth sacrificing

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<v Speaker 3>the friendship? I'm competitive, but I'm competitive with myself. I

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<v Speaker 3>often don't like to create environments where it's me against

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<v Speaker 3>somebody else, unless it's for gags and giggles. In real life,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that if it's not ultimately mine, then it's

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<v Speaker 3>somebody else's. And if I'm putting a weird environment where

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<v Speaker 3>it's like, oh it could be yours, it could be there,

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<v Speaker 3>you just go ahead to head. It's cool, they can

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<v Speaker 3>have it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not gonna stal your records. I think she should

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<v Speaker 2>go for it. I think there's no friends in the

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<v Speaker 2>drama game.

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<v Speaker 4>I applied for.

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<v Speaker 3>These ten show business.

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<v Speaker 2>I applied for the Year ten play almost like I

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<v Speaker 2>remember getting to the door and me like, I've got

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<v Speaker 2>to turn around. This is too embarrassing. I can't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Ended up doing it, got into it. Love drama to

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<v Speaker 2>drama all through school, and it led me to where

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<v Speaker 2>I am now.

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<v Speaker 4>It just plain did.

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<v Speaker 2>If I didn't go to the Year ten play, I

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<v Speaker 2>might not be here where I am right now in

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<v Speaker 2>this heartbreak high set celebrating the show, directed by Graciotto,

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<v Speaker 4>They're great.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think I'm correct in this time of the arsehole.

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<v Speaker 2>But will let Hannah decide what she wants to do?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>All I think is that go back to what my

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<v Speaker 3>mum would say, do whatever you want. But if it

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<v Speaker 3>was done to.

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<v Speaker 4>You, what would you like, Wow, that's beautiful, It's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool, Maybe don't go for the role. But look, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what I want badly enough that my friend

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<v Speaker 3>also couldn't play, especially if it's fair game you're auditioning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's why she should pull her finger out and

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<v Speaker 2>just let her friend go for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Flex and frooms.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I'm a big fan of wikiHow dot com. You

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<v Speaker 2>Are is a website that provides advice on how to

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<v Speaker 2>do very rudimentary things such as kiss, hug, be more confident,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's accompanied by illustrations that are definitely very terrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>I have found this wiki how, which I think could

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<v Speaker 2>be quite interesting for me when I'm communicating with you.

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<v Speaker 2>A known gas lighter?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it gas light? If you just forget you know

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm saying, Like, maybe I remembered it differently.

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<v Speaker 2>It's giving manipulative good. Anyway, here is what to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Number one, ignore their tactics.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got to start with what a gas lighter.

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<v Speaker 4>Is, though I'm not sure do you want to find.

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<v Speaker 3>A gas lighter is? A gas Lighting is a manipulation

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<v Speaker 3>tactic people can use make you question the credibility of

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<v Speaker 3>your own reality, so that might be. They could lie

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<v Speaker 3>to you consistently, and then you might not believe your

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<v Speaker 3>own truth. Or they could make you feel insane about

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<v Speaker 3>things that are quite obvious, Like right now, FRUMI is

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<v Speaker 3>wearing a green top. I could say it's more gray.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't you think it's actually more all of more gray? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 3>Please tell me how can we flip the tactics back?

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<v Speaker 2>Number one, Let a gas lighter's lies go in one

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<v Speaker 2>ear and out the other and out smart them. Also

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<v Speaker 2>consider deleting or block in the number so they.

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<v Speaker 4>Can't reach you.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a very strong one.

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<v Speaker 2>Step one, okay, shrug walk away.

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<v Speaker 4>Number two.

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<v Speaker 2>Establish boundaries with them. Draw a line with the gas

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<v Speaker 2>ladder that they can't cross it without consequences. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>you may set a boundary that if the gas slatter

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<v Speaker 2>tells you you're too sensitive one more time, you'll end

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<v Speaker 2>the relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow goo, threats and ultimatums. Personally, I won't go into it.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going, I'm ready to hear it. You're safe here, babe.

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<v Speaker 4>Not yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Three Collect proof of their behavior. Store some receipts in

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<v Speaker 2>a pass code locked file. I use one password the software.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Four, Keep track of the lies they tell in a journal. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>a lock journal would be ideal. Five ask them about

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<v Speaker 2>to explain their reasoning, which I don't think that's a

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<v Speaker 2>good tactic because there are already one step ahead of you.

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<v Speaker 2>Point out their lives, catch them lying again. You've got

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<v Speaker 2>to be quite strong to do that one. Hide your

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<v Speaker 2>emotions now, this one really does interest me. Try not

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<v Speaker 2>to focus on who's right and wrong. Instead, concentrate on

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<v Speaker 2>what you felt like when you were being gas lit

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<v Speaker 2>and mask that so they can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell emotional suppression. My therapist would disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>Use a calm and even tone when communicating. Now, definitely,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go more shrill and feeling backed into a corner.

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<v Speaker 3>I want six octaves up if we're fighting, let's fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Get the yeat vibration, avoid falling for their love bombing tactics.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently that's a big thing. Gather ust system and stay

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<v Speaker 2>true to yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Are those steps or just options like are we doing

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<v Speaker 3>an insequential order or just considerations how to approach it?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>The final two leave the relationship and talk to a therapist,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think is great. Have I been gas lit

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<v Speaker 2>in my life?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes? Every time I come to work and face with

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<v Speaker 4>you as as a setup.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to think of an example that doesn't incriminate

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<v Speaker 2>me or the person that.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>But oh, okay, there was a time in my life

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<v Speaker 2>where I was going through some changes coming out of

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<v Speaker 2>neat disorder, and I was gaining weight and someone that

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<v Speaker 2>I knew would jokingly call me fatty. Like I remember

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<v Speaker 2>it was like Christmas time at home, and like I

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<v Speaker 2>went to the to the fridge to get more food

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<v Speaker 2>because I eat a lot. Yeah, okay, I'm coming out

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<v Speaker 2>of something I'm consuming.

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<v Speaker 3>But also you're the kind of person needs food to

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<v Speaker 3>function like most people. But we often talk about how

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<v Speaker 3>I often associate food with relaxing. So I'll power through

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<v Speaker 3>the day, stomach ignoring at me and my Baby's not

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<v Speaker 3>time we can relax is seven point thirty, so we'll

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<v Speaker 3>have our big meal. But you need the food to

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<v Speaker 3>keep powering on. It's what's fueling you, which is smart

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<v Speaker 3>and healthy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I do. I eat at regular intervals.

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<v Speaker 2>That's also something you learn when you go through eating

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<v Speaker 2>disorder treatment. You have to well, I have to eat

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<v Speaker 2>every three hours. So if someone's like, let's I have

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<v Speaker 2>got a lunch at like two pm, too bad? I've

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<v Speaker 2>got to eat before then and then come not hungry.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm doing it by the book, and I

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<v Speaker 2>quite like that. Anyway, this person would jokingly call me fatty.

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<v Speaker 4>It happened once.

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<v Speaker 2>Then it happened in another scenario. Again they're completely not

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<v Speaker 2>like they know what I've gone through, but they obviously

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it's serious.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't think what you've been through is serious, but

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<v Speaker 3>they've decided this is the perfect time to refer to

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<v Speaker 3>you as fatty. Please stop it, please, I want to

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<v Speaker 3>go home, so home.

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<v Speaker 2>The first time I happened, I had a tourst chat

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<v Speaker 2>like an hour later being like, look, you said this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's a joke and I'm going through this thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not on.

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<v Speaker 4>You really can't do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't joke around me.

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<v Speaker 2>And at the time, like I had real bad body dysmorphia,

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<v Speaker 2>so I fully thought that I was in quotation marks

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<v Speaker 2>fat little do you need no.

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<v Speaker 4>I was underweight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the batter was doing brain tricks. And then yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they did it again, and unfortunately I had to end

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<v Speaker 2>a relationship. Yeah, a friendship had to go down the.

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<v Speaker 3>Toilet, because realistically, it's really frustrating when you have to

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<v Speaker 3>be extra emotional for someone to take you seriously, just

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<v Speaker 3>hear it for what it is. Let's just take it

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<v Speaker 3>for what it is. I don't have this conversation. You

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to hear it, so let's act accordingly.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, let's throw it out. But yeah, I think definitely

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes today.

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<v Speaker 3>When you address it the second time, were they kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like, oh, come on, now, you know it's a

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<v Speaker 3>joke or oh, what do you mean, like, relax, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a bit of fun. How are they approaching it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 4>It got quite upset.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of was like, this is a priority. We

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<v Speaker 2>need to sit down at the cafe and explain this

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<v Speaker 2>to you. And I had to get more emotional to

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<v Speaker 2>try and get them to understand, Like I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>went more into detail about how this, how this has

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<v Speaker 2>come to be in my reality, why it makes me

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<v Speaker 2>feel this certain way, because I think, especially in disorders,

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<v Speaker 2>are so misunders understood, particularly when it's like restriction based

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<v Speaker 2>and coming out of that, it's like everybody's gaslighting you

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<v Speaker 2>because it's like, oh, look, you're like eating this, you

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<v Speaker 2>must be fine, or da da day, why are you

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<v Speaker 2>doing that?

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<v Speaker 3>You're eating junk food?

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<v Speaker 4>Like the deal so bitch, I was eating with Donalds

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<v Speaker 4>the whole time. Yeah, shut it, shut up.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yes, I've been gasled in that way. It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hard as well when I don't think people necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>gaslight in a manipulative or a male adaptive, malicious.

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<v Speaker 4>Way all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Like sometimes I think it's subtle and they don't realize

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing the.

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<v Speaker 4>Power of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Though. Yeah it's a subtleties, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>A subtlety is But yeah, I have gotten over that.

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<v Speaker 2>I I have reignited a relationship with that person where friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Again very very civil, but unfortunately I had to cut

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<v Speaker 2>the tire because I just not in the space to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to hold space that person where I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes civil is all you can give though, But to

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<v Speaker 3>your point, I think, yeah, sometimes it needs to be

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<v Speaker 3>a distinction between when somebody is actively gas lighting you

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<v Speaker 3>and just so happening to be like passively gaslighting you.

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<v Speaker 3>But my thing is the outcome and the impact is

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<v Speaker 3>still the same. So unfortunately must painted with broad brushstrokes.

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<v Speaker 4>You've got to go, You've got to goo. So that's

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<v Speaker 4>a little lesson. Never call somebody fatty, even if it's

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<v Speaker 4>a joke.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I had a friend in high school. Her nickname,

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<v Speaker 3>her family would call her that, and it was like

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<v Speaker 3>something that she wasn't fat, she was very thin, but

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<v Speaker 3>it was very normal in the context of her family structures.

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<v Speaker 3>And we all came over as friends. We were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>this is really odd, and now we notice you have

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<v Speaker 3>a really weird relationship with food and eating and hunger.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you not think it's connected? And she's very paranoid

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<v Speaker 3>or not. She's very defensive about it, naturally, because you don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to be called out your name for anything in particular,

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<v Speaker 3>but this was layered. It was like, you know, being

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<v Speaker 3>the middle child, you know, wanting to bear the brunt

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<v Speaker 3>of being bullied, essentially because she already felt like an outsider,

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<v Speaker 3>et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, Okay, at this point, it's your email. It's

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<v Speaker 3>one thing to just cop it, and it's one thing

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<v Speaker 3>to make it your identity. Okay, you brought it outside

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<v Speaker 3>the home and now we're concerned, Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>It's too real.

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<v Speaker 2>We bucome what we are saying at Sometimes if we

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<v Speaker 2>don't call it out one.

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<v Speaker 3>Hundred percent, nip it in the bud. I say, and

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<v Speaker 3>that means sometimes you're having the same conversation over and

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<v Speaker 3>over again. But I try not to assume it's gas

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<v Speaker 3>lighting if it's just that someone hasn't come to my understanding.

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<v Speaker 3>When I've understood it, I think I know what you mean.

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<v Speaker 3>So for example, like let's say I'm telling a friend, oh, like,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not really agreeable. Every time I want to do

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<v Speaker 3>something fun, you never want to come, but I'm always

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<v Speaker 3>joining you and you want to do fun things. And

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<v Speaker 3>she's like, oh, well, you never ask me, And I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>because you never want to say yes. Are you gaslighting me?

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<v Speaker 3>Or do you just not notice? It's tricky now we

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<v Speaker 3>pay attention. You air it out, You air it out,

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<v Speaker 3>get over it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is flex and frooms on KEDA.

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<v Speaker 3>A couple years ago, maybe closer to two years, I

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<v Speaker 3>swore off giving advice to people online because sometimes the

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<v Speaker 3>stakes aren't as high as I realized, or they're too high,

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<v Speaker 3>and I've overinvested or underinvested, and it's just a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of literal emotional labor for me to carry. I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>one woman. I can't do it on my umble woman.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you catch me at the right time and

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<v Speaker 3>the request isn't too demanding.

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<v Speaker 4>I just might.

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<v Speaker 3>Literally seconds ago somebody sent me a DM which I

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<v Speaker 3>just happened to open, and it's more so for through me,

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm happy to pass on that labor. They've said, flex,

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<v Speaker 3>I have a topic you need to discuss with frooms.

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<v Speaker 3>I've reached out and asked for advice on my stories

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<v Speaker 3>because I never seem to properly portion dry pasta, so

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<v Speaker 3>when I cook, I always end up cooking the whole

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<v Speaker 3>bag and having so much left over. I'm there with you,

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway about twenty people or message me saying do

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<v Speaker 3>the whole bag and move on. Oh and my issue

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<v Speaker 3>with the whole bag is that I don't eat pasta

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<v Speaker 3>for three days. Then I posted to my stories. I

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<v Speaker 3>hope all the whole bag people out there don't have

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<v Speaker 3>the same chaotic energy in their lives, and a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people said yes. Now I need to know if

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<v Speaker 3>a personality type is related to how we measure pasta

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<v Speaker 3>or is it just a lack of skill so a

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<v Speaker 3>whole bag is easier. Please let me know, because now

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<v Speaker 3>I'm bothered by how many whole bag people are out

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<v Speaker 3>there through me?

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<v Speaker 4>What do you think? Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>In the previous life, I would have said use the

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<v Speaker 2>portion that is said on the packet. So if it's

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<v Speaker 2>like a thing of spaghetti, it says serve six, get

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<v Speaker 2>sixth amount. But I don't actually believe in portion sizes.

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<v Speaker 2>I think sometimes you have to go with your gut

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<v Speaker 2>and your emotional feeling. If that is eating half about

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<v Speaker 2>half a bag of pasta. I'm gonna eat half a

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<v Speaker 2>bag of pasta. That means putting the whole thing in.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm probably gonna eat every single pasta.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes we need to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I agree, if you're going to make a sauce

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<v Speaker 2>that's like serve six people, then use the whole pasta. Personally,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mind eating pasta all week. It's very cost efficient.

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<v Speaker 2>But if she wants to use the whole portion thing,

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<v Speaker 2>I do know a trick, and that is to use

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<v Speaker 2>the colander that you use you get like past out

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<v Speaker 2>with and you put it in the middle.

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<v Speaker 4>Can't remember how that works?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what's the trick?

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<v Speaker 2>That's like the right the pasta colander, that's like how

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<v Speaker 2>much past you should use.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think if you're questioning, just go with your gut. Hunh.

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<v Speaker 3>I personally do not believe in cooking. But number two,

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<v Speaker 3>I have never in my time of cooking pasta been

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<v Speaker 3>a whole bagger because I too don't want to eat

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<v Speaker 3>leftovers or three days worth of a meal. I just

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what I'll feel like the next day, and

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<v Speaker 3>then you have did you know?

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<v Speaker 4>Also part of it it's not time for you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not time for you.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a really important fact, okay, go The amount

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<v Speaker 2>of leftovers that Australia makes every year could fit in

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<v Speaker 2>the MCG ten times over. So it's good that you're

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<v Speaker 2>not having leftovers and throwing them out.

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<v Speaker 3>Its sustainable, Queen. I do also struggle with the portion thing,

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<v Speaker 3>because I always think you need less pasta than your

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<v Speaker 3>eyes tell you. Probly, so your eyes tell you, oh

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<v Speaker 3>you like fiell the little pot up till it's about halfway,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you have too much, of course, So what

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<v Speaker 3>I would then do is say I'm allowed to cook

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<v Speaker 3>more sauce than I need because that'll last. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 3>can go back to that in a week's time. But

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<v Speaker 3>the raw pasta, that's not keeping a night. So I

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<v Speaker 3>do a handful or two, and then what I have

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<v Speaker 3>is what I have, And if I'm desperate, I'll make

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<v Speaker 3>some more. But the reason why people are whole baggers

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<v Speaker 3>because they don't have the skill to be portion people,

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<v Speaker 3>the skill, all the tools, and that's no shade.

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<v Speaker 4>That's really sad. I'm glad we gave her to optionally sad.

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<v Speaker 4>She can choose what she wants.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a pleasure, women of the people.

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<v Speaker 1>This is flex and frooms.

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<v Speaker 2>We're currently trialing what it feels like to have non

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<v Speaker 2>monotone voices.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe when you become a woman things are expected

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<v Speaker 4>of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Monotony and cackling.

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<v Speaker 4>You have a lobotomy.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I got this message just ten minutes ago. This

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<v Speaker 3>person says, I don't know if this is something you

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<v Speaker 3>may have covered before, but can I please ask this

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<v Speaker 3>favor of you? Hected to receive. I was probably gonna

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<v Speaker 3>screen it, but it was fairly easy for me to

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<v Speaker 3>help out. Then they said, embarrassing early send sorry because

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<v Speaker 3>I saw it. Yeah right. My actual question hopefully won't

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<v Speaker 3>be too long. Have you ever broken up with a friend.

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<v Speaker 3>If you were ever to be the receiver of a

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<v Speaker 3>friend breakup, would you prefer to be ghosted eventually phase

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<v Speaker 3>out or would you prefer a clean breakup with reasons

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<v Speaker 3>and closure.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, obviously friendship breakups are quite nuanced. But for the

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<v Speaker 3>sake of this person getting an answer asap, would you

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<v Speaker 3>prefer to be the friendship breaker upperer or not? And

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<v Speaker 3>if you were on the receiving end, do you want

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<v Speaker 3>the clean cut and dry out or do you want

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<v Speaker 3>to be soft.

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<v Speaker 4>Ghosted self ghost? And I've had both.

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<v Speaker 2>The hard cut really cuts you for years, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you might catch up them later and be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we wasn't that bad, but you like villainize.

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<v Speaker 4>Them in your mind.

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<v Speaker 2>So I prefer a soft ghost because then it's not

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<v Speaker 2>on me. Maybe they're just busy, you know, but what

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<v Speaker 2>about you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I feel like I used to do this thing

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<v Speaker 3>when I was a capital E extrovert where I would

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<v Speaker 3>make a lot of friends and assume that it's a

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<v Speaker 3>very casual encounter. But then they would latch on quite

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<v Speaker 3>heavily and I wouldn't set a boundary and be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I actually like this is a chill thing for me.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I was finding myself having to figure out

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<v Speaker 3>do I cut someone so they don't think I'm being

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<v Speaker 3>a negligent friend, or do I soft ghost them? The

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<v Speaker 3>soft ghost always worked because I never had a really

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<v Speaker 3>good reason to not want to be their friend, aside

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<v Speaker 3>from like I don't know, like I have my close friends,

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<v Speaker 3>I prefer their vibe full time, don't really love your vibe.

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<v Speaker 3>In terms of doing a soft ghost or a hard

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<v Speaker 3>cut from on the receiving end, I vote soft ghost

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<v Speaker 3>only because often I find the problems that I have

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<v Speaker 3>with other people are half my fault every time, Like

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're a messy person, you should be allowed to

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<v Speaker 3>be a messy person. But I don't like that about you,

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<v Speaker 3>so that's my own problem. Or let's say, like I

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<v Speaker 3>don't like the friends you have, that's also not your problem.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my problem. So to now pull you out of

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<v Speaker 3>your life to be like, hey, like we can't be

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<v Speaker 3>friends because you have X, Y and Z, okay whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's really tricky every now and then when

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<v Speaker 3>I toy with the idea of like not having a

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<v Speaker 3>friend because I want to be a really good friend.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to be like a wishy, washy, not

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<v Speaker 3>available type of friend. I want to be like on

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<v Speaker 3>care right, and I can't do that for everyone. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's clear to the other friends when they're

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<v Speaker 3>not getting as much friendship from you. So I have

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<v Speaker 3>toy with the idea of like how I would approach that,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm like, you know, it's just too much drama.

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<v Speaker 3>Like we're just trying to get through the day to

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<v Speaker 3>day to day, you know, just like let some things fizzle.

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<v Speaker 3>And if fizzling is not what's gonna see with you

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<v Speaker 3>and it needs to be addressed, well then you'll figure

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<v Speaker 3>it out once you've fizzled.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, retrospective.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Flex me too.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Flex and frooms on Kada.

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<v Speaker 3>According to this plan released by the government last week,

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<v Speaker 3>Victoria needs sixty five thousand more health and community care

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<v Speaker 3>workers and they're willing to pay off your entire hex

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<v Speaker 3>step Slaye. There's three years. They've said. If we don't

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<v Speaker 3>get these sixty five thousand people in three years, we

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<v Speaker 3>can't replace the people retiring.

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<v Speaker 2>My mum is retiring at the end of this year.

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<v Speaker 2>There's another one bites the dust.

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<v Speaker 4>Literally.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is a genius who wants to get

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<v Speaker 2>into healthcare when you've seen what's happened in the last

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<v Speaker 2>two years. Personally, if I was in that position, this

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<v Speaker 2>is not what the degree is for. I do the

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<v Speaker 2>nursing degree become an injectables thest I think we.

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<v Speaker 3>Need to do a little bit more than wave the

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<v Speaker 3>hex stet wave the hex stet. Add an additional incentive,

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<v Speaker 3>like we'll give you discount rent like we need need

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<v Speaker 3>it where it matters.

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<v Speaker 4>Cost of living is high, give us like.

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<v Speaker 3>Free pep us, let me stop, can start.

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<v Speaker 4>When flex world goes under.

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<v Speaker 3>He's pivoting. I think I could be a sick midwife.

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<v Speaker 4>A midwife.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's gonna be any healthcare practitioner. Be it anesthesiologist

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<v Speaker 3>obviously if the coin if not a midwife.

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<v Speaker 4>Bit too much pressure to a dueler.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, I don't want to have to go study, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be there for vibes, help me push.

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<v Speaker 4>You should be a death dueler.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, see it's a bit grim and I'm a bit

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<v Speaker 3>in denial about death.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh god, do you know that? Hunt?

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