1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show. Sam Guggenheimer 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: and Izzy Armatage trade social media blows after confirming their 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: friendship is over. Matt Zakowski gets honest about how he 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: felt about Tammy's fleeing with Bailey Smith, Jules Niel's iconic 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: online moves following her public marriage breakdown, and Sophie Kasha 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: changes her daughter's name again but first. Sky Wheatley has 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: officially reconciled with her baby daddy. Lockie War. The former 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: Big Brother contestant, annow it's their split during an Instagram 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,639 Speaker 1: live in October. However, a couple of weeks later, she backtrack, 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: describing the situation as relationship limbo. Since then, Kate, everyone 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: has been hoping the couple would reunite. Oh, I was 14 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: so excited when I saw Sky's post go up. So 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: she broke the news in an Instagram reel where she 16 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: and Lockie cuddled and flirted on it yacht, and she 17 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: captured the video Life's good when you break up, Get 18 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 1: back together, Break Up, Get back together. I just love 19 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: the fact that she doesn't mind taking the piece out 20 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: of herself. She's always been really transparent with her audience 21 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: about her relationship with Lockie, and I think that that 22 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: is why they are such a beloved couple. Everyone can 23 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: almost see themselves in them, because I think they are 24 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: one of the only Aussie influencer couples to actually air 25 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: their dirty laundry and film their fights. I mean, I 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: think it's fair to say also that the relationship has 27 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: been pretty turbulent from the get go, So for those 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: who don't know, they met on Tinder and were only 29 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: dating for a couple of months when Sky fell pregnant 30 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: with their first child Forest. To their credit, though, they 31 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: have really fought for this relationship over the last eight years. 32 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: This time, though, I was a little bit nervous when 33 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: I heard Sky talk about it on her podcast back 34 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: in December, because she said it was the longest time 35 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: that they've been separated, and she said that they normally 36 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: have little breaks here and there, but get back together 37 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: not long after, so it seemed like this break was 38 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: a little bit different. The reality is, though I can't 39 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: imagine these two with anybody else. They seem quite well suited. 40 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: Despite their arguments. Well, I mean, it would be pretty 41 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: hard if one of them actually wanted to move on 42 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: after this breakup, because it was a very unorthodox breakup. 43 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: They were still living together and renovating their home and 44 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: co parenting, so it's not like you'd be like, I'm 45 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: just going out on the date. I think the reason 46 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: amy that you can't imagine them with anyone else is 47 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: because they both just sort of seem like, I hate 48 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: the word bonkers, but they both just seem a bit 49 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 1: off the planet. But they get each other like. They 50 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: have a similar sense of humor. They're quirky, they're funny. 51 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: Maybe they're too similar though, Maybe that's why they fight 52 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: all the time. And as we said when there were 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: breakup rumors swirling, they are renovating a house and have 54 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: two young children together. It's understandable that they're fighting. Perhaps 55 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: they've gone, you know what, we're under a lot of 56 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: stress at the moment, let's just work it out. Well, 57 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: that's the reason I think that they have actually stayed 58 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: together is because of those two things binding them together. 59 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: The very expensive mansion in which they have been renovating 60 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: for eight years, and their two children I think they've said, look, 61 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: we've got too much to lose, let's just give this 62 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: another go once things have quietened down. 63 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 64 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: Well, this news was very much celebrated in the influencer community, 65 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: so at the time of recording, The Real has been 66 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: viewed over six hundred and fifty thousand times and the 67 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: Blue Tick Brigade were out in full force to approve 68 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: the reunion. Sarah's Day wrote, so proud of you, guys. 69 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: I didn't even know that Sarah's Day knew who Sky 70 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,839 Speaker 1: Wheatley was. I'm guessing she was a Big Brother fan 71 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: from back in the day. Carnong also commented, saying I 72 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: love this for mum and dad, and Emily Hembro added, yay, 73 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: love you too. Look the world is healing the fact 74 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: that Locke and Sky are back together. I feel right 75 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: about things now. Yeah, and I want to put it 76 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: out there. In our Predictions episode, I said that I 77 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: think they may actually get engaged this year after reuniting 78 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: could be on the cards. Jills Nil has been dubbed 79 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: the People's Princess in the wake of her very public 80 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: marriage breakdown to Brisbane lines player Locke Neil, the mum 81 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: of two who says she faced unimaginable betrayal at the 82 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: hands of her husband and best friend. Has won the 83 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: support of the entire nation with her latest online moves 84 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: labeled as iconic. We have had so many listeners sliding 85 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: into our dms asking us when we are going to 86 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: speak about this story. And I think the reason that 87 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: this story has captivated so many people is probably because 88 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: it has all of the right ingredients for the perfect scandal. 89 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: You've got the AFL star, You've got the stunning mum 90 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: with the very esthetic Instagram feed, and then you've got 91 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: the hot brunette who people say has Angelina Jolly other 92 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: woman vibes. I feel like this story just caught us 93 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: at a bad time because we were doing all of 94 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: our end of year wrap up stories. But now feels 95 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: like the right time to talk about it because thankfully 96 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: Jules has pulled out some pretty iconic Taylor Swift coded 97 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: behavior this week, and we have a lot of new 98 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: angles to dissect. Yeah, I think we should get listeners 99 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: up to speed with the main players involved. So let's 100 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: kick things off with Locky Neil So. He is an 101 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: AFL player who up until very recently was the co 102 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: captain of the Brisbane line and so he's a very 103 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: well known player. He led the Lions to a premiership 104 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: win last year and is a Jewel Brownlow medallist. I 105 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: remember seeing jewelsun Lockeye on the Red carp and they 106 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: just look like the perfect couple. So I think this 107 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: is why it has shocked so many people, particularly because 108 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: he also seemed to be batting out of his league 109 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: with her. It's always a way, though, isn't it. Like 110 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: the men that are doing so well for themselves, for 111 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: some reason they have a wandering eye. It's because they 112 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: get such an inflated ego because they look at who 113 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: they're with and think, wow, I must be pretty good 114 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: if I got her. On the topic of that, then 115 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: there is his wife, Jules Neil. She is a hair 116 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: stylist and former salon owner, and she has a very 117 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: large social media following. Ironically, she has more followers than 118 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: her husband. So she has one hundred and twenty seven 119 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: thousand followers while Lockie has ninety nine thousand. I'm guessing 120 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: her following has gone up quite a few thousands since 121 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: this story broke. I literally followed her as soon as 122 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: this scandal broke. I want to know other listeners who 123 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: did the same thing. So if you followed her more 124 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: quickly than she followed Saffron Barker's new boyfriend, I was 125 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: pretty quick to that one. Now it's quite a sad 126 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: story because Lockie and Jules they have been together since 127 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: they were teenagers. So they first met when Lockie was 128 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,679 Speaker 1: a rookie for Fremantle and they got married in twenty eighteen, 129 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: right as Lockie was traded to the Brisbane lines. They 130 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: also have two very young children together, so a little 131 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: girl called Piper who is only four years old, and 132 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: a son, Freddie, who just turned one. Then there's Tess Crossley, 133 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: so she is Jules's longtime best friend. She is a 134 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: bit of a micro influencer herself, an entrepreneur and a 135 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: former Mormon missionary, which I feel like adds a lot 136 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,799 Speaker 1: to this story. Maybe she's trying to get a gig 137 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: or a spinoff series of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, 138 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: because this is I would watch that definitely. Well there's 139 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: something there either that or Real Housewives of Brisbane or 140 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: something like that. Now it's pretty sad because these besties 141 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: were permanent fixtures on one another's social media accounts, They 142 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: posted together at a lot of glamorous events, and they 143 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 1: even hosted a podcast together called Backstage, where they spoke 144 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: about fashion and Jules's life in the spotlight. We're going 145 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: to touch on this more later in the show, but 146 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: don't you feel like a best friend duo on a 147 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: podcast is literally the kiss of death to that friendship, 148 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: like so many influencer friendships have broken up over podcasts. 149 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: I think it's lucky that we're sisters and maybe that 150 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: there's three of us, because I think that this podcast 151 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: would have been dead in the ground first year up 152 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: with the amount of arguments that we've had over it. 153 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: I mean, based on some of the arguments we've had 154 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: over these microphones that haven't aired on the podcast, we 155 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: probably shouldn't be friends. Maybe if we had more respect 156 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: for ourselves, we wouldn't be friends in the end, not 157 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: us just being sisters. Who else is really keen to 158 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: go and have a listen to Backstage now the podcast? 159 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,239 Speaker 1: Because I feel like the Daily Mail for sure would 160 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: have a journal assigned to troll through that to see 161 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: if there's any little tidbits on there, anything titillating where 162 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: the husband's referred to we'll podcast now have that thing 163 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: where AI generates this automatic transcript, so I can just 164 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: imagine the daily male journalist typing in keywords like lucky 165 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: and husband and seeing what comes up. You give me 166 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: them ideas. Now, yeah, I feel like a few of 167 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: them listen to this podcast, So yeahs a bit of 168 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: a heads up for you. It's quite scandalous because it's 169 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: being reported that Tess and her husband Ben live in 170 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: the same suburb as the Nils. Some publications have even 171 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: gone as far as calling them neighbors. Well, I suppose 172 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: we would see this type of drama on Ramsey Street, 173 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't we. Yeah, definitely. And when you have a look 174 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: at their social media followings, it's quite clear that the 175 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: two families accounts were very intertwined. There were lots of 176 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: posts about joint holidays and parties and dinners out. It's 177 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: quite interesting because when you reflect on double dates that 178 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: you've gone on with your partner, you always put your 179 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: best foot forward, don't you when there's other people around. 180 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: And I wonder if that's what's happened in this situation 181 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: where they've gone on these double dates. And Lockie seemed 182 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: like this really great guy who's you know, supportive and fun. 183 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: But surely if they're best friends, she would have heard 184 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: the bad sides of him as well, Like you go 185 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: on how to get to your best friend In saying that, 186 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: I feel like this dynamic happens a lot like you 187 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: always hear, Oh, this person is cheating, and it's often 188 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: with the best friend. So maybe in this scenario, the 189 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: best friend is using some of that information to her advantage. 190 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: I have literally heard a similar story this week from 191 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: my husband, and it is not one of his friends. 192 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,719 Speaker 1: I won't disclose how we know the people because it 193 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 1: will be quite obvious who it is. But a similar 194 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: situation happened where this couple were hanging out on holidays 195 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: with another couple and they did a bit of a 196 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: partner swap two of them. So is that what happens 197 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: on holidays? 198 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: Though? 199 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: When people get in bathers and stuff like it just 200 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: everything kind of inappropriate, even't though it's always these like 201 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: tropical holidays where something goes down like someone's never done 202 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: one's back talking about awkward. One photo that has been 203 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: splashed around in the press is this picture of Tess 204 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: and her husband posing alongside lockie and jewels at the 205 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: Lion's Grand Final win. So in the photo, Tess is 206 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: standing very close to Lockie. It almost looks like she's 207 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: kind of cuddled up to him. And when you look 208 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: very closely, her knee is resting on his leg, and 209 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: her husband is standing on the other side of Locko 210 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: next to Jewels. It looks like they were a couple. Yeah, 211 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: if you were an outsider looking at this photo, you 212 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: would assume that Tess and Lockie were together, and Ben 213 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: and Jewels were together. It looked very odd how they 214 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: weren't standing with their partner. Those photos made me so 215 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: mad because the fact that they were willing to pose 216 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: like that in plain sight, it was just such an 217 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: fu to both of their partners. Yeah, we need to 218 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: get into the fallout. So in December, rumors of a 219 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: marriage breakdown started to emerge when Jewels unfollowed Lockie and 220 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: started removing photos of him from her account. I mean, 221 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: it's always a bit of a giveaway, and he was 222 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: also nowhere to be seen when she posted about their son, 223 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: Freddie's first birthday. Reports then started to emerge that the 224 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: couple were working through their issues, but Jewels immediately reclaimed 225 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: the narrative for herself, so she said that this was 226 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: not the case at all. In an Instagram story, she wrote, 227 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: I want to make it very clear that I am 228 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: not working through anything. I have been betrayed in the 229 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: most unimaginable way. All I can do now is try 230 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: to heal and do what's best for my children. Thank 231 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: you for the love and support. Social media has really 232 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 1: changed the game because in the past, when AFL players 233 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: used to cheat on their partners, you'd only hear from 234 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: the club and it was this media statement. You know, 235 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: think about Wayne Carey when he cheated with his teammate's wife. However, 236 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: now the wives can actually get on their social media 237 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: and say no, no, no, this is not correct. This 238 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: is my point of view, and I think that's why 239 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: they're getting so much more support than they did back 240 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: in the day. I think it also helps that she 241 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: has so many followers. Like the fact that Sophy mentioned 242 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: that she has more followers than her husband. She has 243 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: a lot of power in this situation. It's quite clear 244 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: that she also wanted people to dig a little bit 245 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: deeper and find out the real reason that they were 246 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: breaking up. I think she also wanted to make it 247 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: clear that she wasn't being walked all over, she wasn't 248 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: just working through things. She was out the door. Yeah, 249 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: And it wasn't long before super Slose noticed that Jules 250 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: had unfollowed Tess on Instagram and photos of the best 251 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: friends together had disappeared from her feed. In a now 252 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: deleted comment, Jewles wrote under the grand final photos, take 253 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: these down, you idiot. You're embarrassing yourself. I respect that 254 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: so much. That is something that I would do. Get 255 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: real petty and just start blowing your lid about this 256 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: shit like I actually think she was quite reframed. I 257 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: would have said much worse. I loved the term idiot 258 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: because it actually describes her so perfectly. I'm disappointed, though, 259 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: that the comment has been removed, because I would have 260 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: liked to have gone and liked it. And I also 261 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: would have liked to have seen how many other people 262 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: liked this comment. Oh, it would have got thousands of likes. 263 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: It's funny because when I first heard that she was 264 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: deleting photos of her and Test together, I was like, oh, 265 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: you know, it must have been because she was so mad. 266 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: But then the fact that she commented asking Tests to 267 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: take the photo down. I wonder if it was a 268 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: bit of damage control because you would have known this 269 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: photo would do the absolute rounds in the media. Maybe 270 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: she's trying to protect her kids from seeing the photo. 271 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: You can see why she was so furious and left 272 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: a comment. Because it's believed that Jules found out about 273 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: this alleged affair through a teammate's wife, who allegedly caught 274 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: Locke and Tests in a compromising position in a car. 275 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: It's pretty incredible that the partner of one of his 276 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: teammates actually came out and told Jewels because I'm sure 277 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: a lot of this goes on behind closed doors and 278 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: the you know, a lot of teammates would be like, 279 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: do not say anything. This is going to have massive 280 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: ramifications for the Brisbane Lions, which it has, particularly because 281 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: Lockie was one of the co captains as well. He 282 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: obviously had a lot of power at the club. Yeah. Well, 283 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: he's actually had to step down as co captain. He 284 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: fronted the press in January to confirm the separation and 285 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: he ended up apologizing for letting his family down. To me, 286 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: watching this press conference, it felt like the Brisbane lines 287 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: didn't back him because he wasn't wearing team gear. He 288 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: was just wearing a white T shirt with O RTC. 289 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: I'm sure they were not pleased that he was wrapping 290 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: them at that point. He was very reminiscent of Wayne 291 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: Kerrey's media conference where he admitted to having an affair 292 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: with his teammate's wife. He was wrapping a white shirt. 293 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: Maybe this is the uniform now for the cheatahs in 294 00:13:59,720 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: the AA. 295 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: Well. 296 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: He ended up having to leave North Melbourne to go 297 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: to the Pro so I would not be surprised if 298 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: lockey Neil isn't playing for Brisbane. But the difference in 299 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: this is that it was actually a teammate's wife, so 300 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: there was a lot of division caused within the club 301 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: as well as Brisbane not wanting him to wear their merchandise. 302 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: I also think that the sponsors wouldn't have wanted to 303 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: be associated with this scandal as well, because he has 304 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: been painted as this absolute dirty dog and everyone has 305 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: been siding with Jewels. It's a clear move to say 306 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: this is something I did in my personal life, this 307 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: is not associated with the club. I think the thing 308 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: that's been really different about this story is in the past, 309 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: women would have just hidden from the public eye and 310 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: they would have felt a lot of shame when in reality, 311 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: of course they shouldn't. But Jewles has tried to reclaim 312 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: the narrative and I am living for her potshots, which 313 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: she has been firing out now. The first came last 314 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: week in the form of a photo dump on Instagram, 315 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: so she shared some pull side snaps of her in 316 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: Perth looking side note in credible in this blue polka 317 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: dot bikini and a cowboy hat. I mean, Lockie, what 318 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: a fucking idiot for fumbling Jewels. She yeah, so good looking. 319 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure she's a wonderful person as well. 320 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: If I'm just being totally shallow here. Yeah, I've seen 321 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: all the tiktoks that are like, how did he fumble this? 322 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: Like basically he is absolutely batting out of his leg. 323 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: The thing that everyone is talking about with this photo 324 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: dump is the iconic song that she had as the 325 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: backing track, so it was Taylor Swift's father Figure song. 326 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: I'm probably not going to do it justice, but I'm 327 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: going to read out the bridge that she included in 328 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: this photo dump because it actually gave me goosebumps. I no, i'mpathetic, 329 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: but this is what it said. She included, you want 330 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: to fight you found it, I got the place surrounded. 331 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: You'll be sleeping with the fishes. Before you know, you're drowning. 332 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: Whose portraits on the mantle? Who covered up your scandals? 333 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: Mistake my kindness for weakness and find your card canceled. 334 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: I was your father figure. You pulled the wrong trigger. 335 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: This empire belongs to me. Leave it with me. I'm 336 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: disappointed that she didn't include the line about her dick 337 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: being bigger than the devil? Do you know what I 338 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: need to I'm disappointed because now that you've read out 339 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: the lyrics, I thought it said fishies instead of fishes. 340 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: Really yeah, it was like you'll be sleeping with the fishies. 341 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, okay, coy's my face red. She did 342 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: such a good job though, because does that bridge not 343 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: perfectly sum up what's happen. It's such a fuck you. 344 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: It's saying that you've messed up big time and everyone's 345 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: on my side. Well, the comment section truly revealed where 346 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: the AFL's in a circle stand in this scandal. Jacinta Franklin, 347 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: who is married to Hawthorne player Buddy Franklin, wrote bow 348 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: down with a crown and queen emoji. There was also 349 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of other wives and girlfriends of AFL players 350 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: who showed their support on the post, which I loved. 351 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: This song choice also didn't go unnoticed on TikTok. There 352 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: have been so many creators praising Jewels for this iconic move. 353 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: One video, which has attracted over two hundred and fifty 354 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: five thousand views, shows a creator called Caitlin literally bowing 355 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: down at Jewels and giving her a round of applause, 356 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: and she captioned it all Hale's Jewels Neil for this 357 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: incredible song choice. In the comment section, one user wrote, 358 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: can we make her like really famous? While another said 359 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,719 Speaker 1: she really is the people's princess. Protect her at all costs. Well, 360 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: the newspapers are trying to make her famous. She was 361 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: front page the other day for going to the Australian Open. Well, 362 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: it probably helps that she has also signed with a 363 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: talent agency called One Daydream. They are probably one of 364 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: the top talent agencies in Australia and they described her 365 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: as a strong presence across beauty, fashion and lifestyle. The 366 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: digs also continued on TikTok when Jewels shared video of 367 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: a night in that she had with friends. So she 368 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: and her friends made mood boards for the year, and 369 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: Jules has featured a quote that said I'm stepping into 370 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: the most successful decade of my life. She also shared 371 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: this TikTok where she was sipping a glass of wine 372 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 1: in the sun at this beautiful winery and she captioned it, 373 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: I don't understand how they could do that. Dot dot 374 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: dot exactly what a blessing not to and the TikTok 375 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: was set to the Olivia Dean song Lady Lady, which 376 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: had very pointed lyrics. It said that Lady Lady, she's 377 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: the man. I love that the social media pettiness has 378 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: moved on from sharing song lyrics or quotes to this 379 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: type of content like this is a type of content 380 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: I live for. It got a huge response on TikTok, 381 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: as expected, it got over eight hundred thousand views. One 382 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: user wrote, I've never seen a woman act with such 383 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: certainty after being betrayed, left in, packed up and moved 384 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: selling the house. I think it's actually inspiring for a 385 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: lot of women who feel trapped in these situations. I'm 386 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: sorry you had to go through this, but no, so 387 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: many of us are cheering you on Queen now that 388 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: comment got over five thousand likes. Abby Chatfield also weighed in. 389 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: She wrote exactly queen, whilst Michelle Andrews wrote, we love Jewel, 390 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: so I really wouldn't be surprised if we saw Jules 391 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: Neil popping up on the Inherited podcast sometime soon. That 392 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: would be great. I would actually really love to hear that. 393 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: Bella Messina also wrote, as someone who has publicly gone 394 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: through a very similar thing, you are my icon. I 395 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 1: like that. She took it as an opportunity to take 396 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: a pot shot at their ex husband as well. There's 397 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: potshots left, right and center in this now. Jewles did 398 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: make headlines again this week when she gave a brief 399 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: interview to The Herald's Sun upon touching down in Melbourne 400 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: for the Aussie Open. She told the reporter that she 401 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: was excited to be back in Melbourne to experience VIP 402 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: courtside seats at the men's singles quarterfinals with a sponsor. 403 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: She said, this is my first Australian Open and I'm 404 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: loving Melbourne's vibe in January. I'm so excited to be here, 405 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: She continued, saying, yes, the last few months have been 406 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: a lot, but being back in Perth with family has 407 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: really helped me reset for twenty twenty six. She even 408 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: provided a subtle dig at her husband, saying, Gabby and 409 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: I are sitting on Center Court tonight watching and honestly, 410 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: I'm loving being back in Melbourne and watching another sport. 411 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: She also shared some snaps to her Instagram, writing girls 412 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: just want to have fun at the AO. I think 413 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: she's also subtly sharing photos with a lot of her 414 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: other friends to be like, I'm the girls girl in 415 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: this situation. I do wonder if Jules has taken some 416 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: inspiration from how Nadia Bartel dealt with the whole Jimmy 417 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: Bartel cheating scandal, because when that happened to Nadia, instead 418 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: of pulling back from public life, she really managed to 419 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: propel her business Henny Ford and win a lot of 420 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: public support. I mean, that year that the cheating scandal 421 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: came out, we even saw her hosting the red carpet 422 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: at the Brownlow, so it showed that there were a 423 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: lot of people in the AFL world who were on 424 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: her side. And I feel like Jules has thought, fuck that, 425 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to do the same thing as Nadia. I'm 426 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: going to capitalize on this viral support that I'm receiving. 427 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,959 Speaker 1: I'm going to make lemonade from lemons. And I think 428 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: the reason that so many people are getting behind Jewels 429 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: is that this really is the ultimate betrayal. It's not 430 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: just her husband that is cheated on her. I think 431 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people are saying, like, what the fuck? 432 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: How could your best friend treat you like that. It's 433 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: almost as if we expect an AFL player like locking 434 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: Neil to be a dirt bag, but you don't expect 435 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: your best friend to do it too. My only fear 436 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: for Jewls is once the media are done with their 437 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: story of her betrayal and part her up, there probably 438 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: is going to be a narrative switch where they start saying, oh, well, 439 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: why is she still using her ex husband's last name. 440 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: She's trying to write off his coattail, similar to what 441 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: happened to Nadia for a short space of time, but 442 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: in this case, this is a woman who has two 443 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: young children. She is now looking to have to support 444 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: those children and find a career for herself, and she 445 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: wants to do so in the public eye through social 446 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: media because it is a career that means a lot 447 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: of women can be home with their children. I really 448 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: hope that doesn't happen. But as you said, so when 449 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: the media realizes that a personality is going to get 450 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: them clicks, they're going to continue to write about that 451 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,719 Speaker 1: person and make up a whole load of shit. Like 452 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: all it will take is one negative comment on TikTok 453 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: and they'll probably turn it into some kind of story. 454 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: With the new Angle, Matt Sakowski has finally revealed how 455 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: he really felt about his ex wife, Tammy Hembro, moving 456 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,959 Speaker 1: on so quickly with Along Football at Bailey Smith just 457 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: months after the couple confirm their divorce. Tammy made headlines 458 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: after she was app with the AFL Star Now. Speaking 459 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: on the Kyle and JACKIEO Show, Matt said. 460 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 2: This, I don't think jealousy is the right word. I mean, 461 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 2: I openly said that. I was a bit like oh wow, 462 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 2: because yeah, it was quite quite soon after and I 463 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 2: was doing my own healing process and I saw that 464 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: and I was like ooh. I was like, okay, Yeah, 465 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 2: triggering is what I would say. Like one going, you 466 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 2: never hooked up with anyone after the year, You never 467 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 2: or maybe not publicly, you didn't. You didn't flout it 468 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: around Yeah, No, one likes to see the person they 469 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 2: used to love and married hooking up with someone else. 470 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: That's that's a knife to anyone's chest, man. 471 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: This is why Kyle and JACKIEO earned so much money. 472 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: They did such a good job at buttering up and 473 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: making him feel comfortable. I mean, Kyle even chucked in 474 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: this question, oh, have you hooked up with anyone else? 475 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: I mean, Matt was smart enough not to answer that, 476 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: but the fact that they managed to get that grab 477 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: out of him saying it was a knife to his chest. 478 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 1: I mean, as soon as I heard that, I was like, 479 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: that is a headline waiting to happen, and of course 480 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: the media with it. 481 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 2: Well. 482 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: It ended up being the title of the podcast that 483 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: Kyle and Jackie O dropped that day as well. 484 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: Well. 485 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: The interview initially didn't get off to a good start 486 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: when Kyle referred to Matt Zakowski by the wrong last name. 487 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: It was rather awkward. Yeah, he called him Matt Zawowski. 488 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: It sounded like that cartoon character Mike Wakowski, which a 489 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: number of people have been referring to Matt as. The 490 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: funniest thing was Matt didn't realize they were live and 491 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: He's like, Oh, it's actually Zukowski and they're like, oh shit, 492 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: are we on. When I heard him say that, I 493 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: was like, shit, have we been mispronouncing his name for 494 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: the last three years? Yeah, he was over I think 495 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: I think he was trying to over emphasize it because 496 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: he didn't think he was on air yet. It was 497 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: awkward though, because you could tell Kyle was like fuck 498 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 1: because as you said, Kate, he was trying to butter 499 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: him up during that interview, and it was a good 500 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: segue because he was like, look, Matt, I know that 501 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: you're a big deal in the influencer world. I don't 502 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 1: have social media, but I've seen the headlines and obviously 503 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: you were married to Tammy Hembro. And as you say, Kate, 504 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: that is where he started to be very sympathetic, and 505 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: he was like, you know, Jackie and I have been 506 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: divorced before, and I really admire the way that you 507 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: and Tammy have been so respectful of each other. And 508 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: you could tell Matt was probably like, Wow, this guy 509 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: gets it. Particularly because Matt has his own podcast, you 510 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: can tell that he would love to be on radio, 511 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: and I think he thought it was kind of his 512 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: big break to impress Kyl and Jackie O. At one stage, 513 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: I thought that maybe Matt was hitting on Jackie O 514 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: because he kept referencing her a lot by name, and 515 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: he seemed to try and sympathize with her. And if 516 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: you think about it, she would be right up his alley. 517 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: She's got a profile, she's blonde. He went for Kira 518 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: Maguire before, and Tammy Hembro, who knows well. He seems 519 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: to be her type as well, because she has gone 520 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: for some younger guys. She's known as being a bit 521 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: of a cougar these days. I actually didn't pick up 522 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: on any flirting at all, though, like More, got the 523 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: vibe that he was quite star struck by them. It 524 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: is pretty ironic that he made this emission about Bailey 525 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: Smith on their show, considering it was Kyle who was 526 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: the one that got the scoop that Bailey wasn't taking 527 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: Tammy to the brownlow. It was that iconic interview he 528 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: friend zoned her that Tinder has just been running with 529 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: for the last couple of weeks. Well, Kyle also managed 530 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: to get a new nuggative information we didn't know about 531 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: their relationship. He asked Matt if he was still in 532 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,719 Speaker 1: contact with Tammy, and Matt admitted that he hasn't spoken 533 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: to Tammy since they announced their separation in June. See 534 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: I feel like Tammy was trying to give Matt a 535 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: bit of a message in her most recent TikTok get 536 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: ready with me, because she was going through the jewelry 537 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: she was wearing. And Matt has spoken about how they 538 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: both used to wear this Sarah and Sebastian bracelet with 539 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: each other's initial on it, and he said that he 540 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: realized things were definitely over with Tammy when he spotted 541 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: she wasn't wearing hers anymore, and then we spoke about 542 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: it at Christmas time. He ended up going into Sarah 543 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: and Sebastian and getting his tea removed off his and 544 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: he got his own initial on it, and he said 545 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: that he broke down in the store. But then Tammy 546 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: said that she still actually wears hers, but she just 547 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: tells herself it's a W rather than an M. Look, 548 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: she's rich enough to go and get a new one. 549 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: Just go and get an actual W and cut that 550 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: thing off your wrists. You don't need it anymore. Sophie 551 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: Kaisha has soft launched a new name for her youngest 552 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: daughter ahead of her first birthday, The Pajama Mogul casually 553 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: dropped that her daughter, Esme has a new surname, So 554 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: can you tell us more? Yeah, Well, Sophie isn't really 555 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: a stranger to changing her children's name. She famously legally 556 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: changed her first daughter's name from Betty to Florence, and 557 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: that was a couple of weeks after she was born 558 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: back in twenty seventeen. It generated a lot of headlines 559 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: at the time. I wouldn't be too unhappy with that 560 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: name change. Florence is such a popular name now. Yeah, 561 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: and the name Betty kind of has old lady vibes 562 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: no offense to any Betty's who are listening or anyone 563 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: who the child Betty so traditionally did Florence, like it's 564 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: one of those names. So that's been revived. Well, it's 565 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: quite ironic because Sophie Kasha's Florence was quite sad that 566 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: she wasn't called Betty after Taylor Swift released the song Betty, 567 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: She's like, hey, mom, that would have been way cooler. 568 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: When this case is a little bit different because it's 569 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: not Esme's first name that's been changed. Is actually her 570 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: last name, and this is to include Sophie's partner, Matti 571 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: Prespatis's surname in it. Yeah, she suddenly dropped the news 572 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: on her Instagram when she uploaded a photo of her 573 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: baby daughter with the caption smile if you turn one 574 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 1: next week, Esme prespacis sure. It blows my mind that 575 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: Esme is almost a year old, Like it seemed like 576 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: only yesterday that we were talking about her gender reveal. 577 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: It really goes to show a lot can change in 578 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: a year because it was only this time last year 579 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: that Sophie and Maddie did a Q and A just 580 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: before Esmey was born, where they spoke about what Mattie's 581 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: role would be with the baby. So, for some background, 582 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: Sophie made the decision to have a baby on her 583 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,239 Speaker 1: own via a sperm donor. She was dating Mattie at 584 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 1: the time, but she didn't want to pressure the then 585 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: twenty four year old into taking on such a big responsibility. 586 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: There is a ten year age gap between Sophie and Maddie, 587 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: which I think also played into it. They were very 588 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: freshly dating as well. Sophie also has two older children 589 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: with her ex husband Jared Kaisher, who Maddie seems to 590 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: have a great relationship with. Yeah. So, in this Q 591 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: and A from last year, Sophie spoke about how she 592 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: would be raising the baby on her own and Maddie 593 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: wouldn't be taking on a parenting role. She also said 594 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: that Maddie wouldn't be called mum and she would just 595 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: be referred to as Mad's and it's really beautiful because 596 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: this is actually all changed. So in August last year, 597 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: Maddie did an interview with AFL dot com dot Au 598 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: where she opened up about her involvement in es May's life. 599 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: So she referred to herself as the baby's bonus mum 600 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: and said while it was ultimately up to es May 601 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: to decide on what she was called, she did confess 602 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: it probably will be mum. I have a really soft 603 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: spot for Maddie. She seems like a really grounded, lovely person. 604 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: In this interview, she was gushing about how much Esme 605 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: had changed her life and how Sophie and her children 606 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: mean so much to her. I like how she kept 607 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: it real because she did say that she had been 608 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: cheating herself the whole time Sophie was pregnant, but had 609 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: found the experience really grounding, and said it had helped 610 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: her football career. In another big step for the couple, 611 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: so if you put her home up for sale that 612 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: she used to share with her ex fiance, basketballer Maddie 613 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: Garrick So In an interview with real estate dot com 614 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,479 Speaker 1: dot Au, she revealed that she will be buying a 615 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: new home with Maddie presspackis So. Soph told the publication, 616 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: Maddie and I will definitely be buying together. It's not 617 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: about proving anything to anyone else. We're just really aligned 618 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: in what we want. It's quite funny because when I 619 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: read that, I could actually hear her saying it, because 620 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: I feel like Sophie can get rather defensive in interviews, 621 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: and no doubt that's because of her experience of being 622 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: online in ten years. I think she always feels like 623 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: she's got to defend herself, where in reality it's like, well, 624 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: that's great that you guys are moving in and becoming 625 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: this big, happy family. Like I think it's excellent news. 626 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 3: I don't really don't know a way to go about it, 627 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 3: and I don't want it to be drama on the internet. 628 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: Sammy Guggenheimer has finally confirmed the internet's worst kept secret, 629 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: she and Easy Armitage are no longer friends. Over the 630 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: last year, rumors have been swirling that the influence of 631 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: besties were feuding after they pulled the pin on their 632 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: joint podcast. Tired of being constantly questioned over the friendship, 633 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: Sam finally put an end to the speculation on her 634 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: Instagram story. 635 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 3: I don't really know a way to go about it, 636 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 3: and I don't want it to be drama on the internet, 637 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 3: and that's the last thing I want. But obviously everyone 638 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 3: keeps on asking about my friendship with Easy and my 639 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 3: relationship with Easy, and it's really hard because I don't 640 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 3: want there to be drama on the internet, and that's 641 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 3: the last thing I want. So I think I've definitely 642 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 3: avoided it, and I've avoided the question for so long 643 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 3: because I don't want there to be sides and everyone 644 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 3: to team Sam or team Easy or like what went 645 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 3: wrong and let us just discuss the drama and everything online. 646 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 3: I just don't think it's necessary. But yeah, like, we're 647 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 3: not friends and we haven't been friends for quite a while, 648 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 3: and I just want to respect her space. 649 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: We discussed this friendship bust up in October after Sam 650 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: addressed it on the Inherited podcast. In the interview, Sam 651 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: claimed that their podcast Just for Girls put a strain 652 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: on their friendship, and she said they decided to pull 653 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: the pin on the podcast to avoid a public friendship 654 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: bust up. It really felt at the time that Sam 655 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: was pussyfooting around it as much as she could, but 656 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: it was glaringly obvious that these two were no longer friends. 657 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: She even made a comment saying that she was happy 658 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: for Izzy and hoped Izzy was happy for her, which 659 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: made it abundantly clear that she actually didn't know what 660 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,479 Speaker 1: was going on with Izzy and that they weren't actually talking. Now, 661 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: this wasn't good enough for the Internet. They needed a 662 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: definitive answer, and I tend to agree if you have 663 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: showcased this friendship on a podcast for years, we need 664 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: to know the dirty details of what went down, particularly 665 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: when you're in your early twenties and people are known 666 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: for being petty, and what we have recently seen is 667 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: an incredibly petty display that my past twenty self would 668 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: be proud of. Because it seems like Sam was set 669 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: off by a now deleted TikTok that Izzy posted that 670 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: appeared to be aimed at her in the video, Izzy 671 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: and her friends danced to this trending sounds to say, LENNI, 672 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: let's because you like a child now. As you can imagine, 673 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: it didn't take long for followers to speculate in the 674 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: comments that Izzy's video was in fact aimed at Sam. 675 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: Sam's best friend, Bill Barker then entered the chat. He wrote, 676 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: this is not the flex you think it is now. 677 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: It didn't stop there after Sam's Instagram story, Izzy posted 678 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: another thinly veiled swipe at her former bestie. So Izzy 679 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: gave the rude finger or the bird as whatever you 680 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: like to say to the camera with the caption fuck you. 681 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: Her friend then pushed her out the way of the 682 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: camera with the caption We're so sorry. And the friend 683 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: then pushed her out the way and gave double fingers 684 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: to the camera and said no fuck you. Now. The 685 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: pettiness didn't end there because Sam replied copying the video 686 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: and she brought in the big guns. So she let 687 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: her mum serve up the final blow at the end 688 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: with the double fuck you. And I think that says 689 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: a lot about the situation. When you bring your mum in, 690 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: there is no one that's going to stand up more 691 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: for you than your mum. And there's probably no one 692 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: that hates easy armitage more than Sam Guggenheimer's mum, because 693 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: that's what mums do, They take your side. I could 694 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: definitely see our mum getting on board a trend like 695 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: this if we asked her too, because she hates anyone 696 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: who crosses us in any way. You will always be 697 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: in Linda Torber's bad books if you ever do anything 698 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: against she. So that sounds like a bit of a warning. 699 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: It's not a warning, but it's just the way that 700 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: she may love her for it. She actually holds a 701 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: grudge longer than we do, because she'll still send me 702 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: stuff from people that may have crossed us, like ten 703 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: years ago. I'm like, oh, we're still talking about them, 704 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: like I've kind of forgotten about it. In regards to Izzy, 705 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: I have seen a lot of comments going around that 706 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: she's giving off me and girl energy, and okay, she 707 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: probably is. But I think sadly this is just the 708 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: reality of friendships in your twenties. I think we've all 709 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: been through it, particularly when you don't have high school 710 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: your part time job. Because these two work to COOKAI together, 711 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: bonding you together anymore. Fortunately, most of us don't have 712 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: a large social media platform where this all plays out, 713 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: or you like us and you only had MySpace back then. 714 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: Unfortunately it's all been deleted. Well let's not be ages, 715 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: because we have seen ash Bonds in her thirty something 716 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: friends also playing out pettiness like this on TikTok so. 717 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 1: I mean it does not age does not discriminate here, 718 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: and I think that all of us are here for 719 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: the pettiness. I mean, my only thing is I'm not 720 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: a fan of people giving the finger. I don't know why. 721 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 1: I think it probably stems from being an identical triplet 722 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: because UK we fun fact, our first cars were all 723 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 1: Master two's and we got them in slightly different colors. 724 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: I got the black, you had the gray. Amy had 725 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: read Anyway, I would always get so scared because you'd 726 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 1: have road rage incidents where you would flip the birds 727 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: so willy nilly, you'd give anyone the bird. And I 728 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: was always scared that you'd give someone the bird that 729 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: I knew and they think it was me. I wouldn't 730 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: say they were road rage incidents, like I think if 731 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: someone does something in the car and you give them 732 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: the bird, it's not that big of a deal. But 733 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,399 Speaker 1: I have stopped doing that, I say more recently since 734 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: being a parent. You're also a fan of the horn, 735 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: So I have been driving with you in the car 736 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: before and you will lean over and toot my horn 737 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: quite aggressively. Well, but you've got to use it. It's 738 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: a warning device. Anyway, back to Sam and Izzy, I 739 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: am kind of surprised that it took this long for 740 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: them to confirm the feud because twenty twenty five was 741 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: really the year of friendship bust ups. I mean, you 742 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,439 Speaker 1: only have to think about the start of last year. 743 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: Mikayla Tester really blew things up by calling out her 744 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: former bestie Anna Paul. We also had Jackie Alexander and 745 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: Gabby Sullivan, and it's a really good way for influences 746 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: to stay relevant. Like it kind of got to the 747 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: point where there was so many friendship bust ups that 748 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: you're thinking people just doing this to drive engagement. I 749 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: think that maybe we should put out there that we've 750 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: had a bust up. Maybe we'll unfollow each other. It's 751 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: quite funny because I have unfollowed you guys a number 752 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: of times on Facebook. But yeah, maybe I need to 753 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: do something a bit more public. Maybe Instagram would be 754 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: a better format to do it in. That was so 755 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: annoying last time because I think you also blogged us, 756 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: and that meant that you were like automatically out of 757 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,879 Speaker 1: all the group chats and then you were like, can 758 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: you add me back in? It was so good. Maybe 759 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: it's a great way for us to launch our mum's 760 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: group podcast, for us to have this fake friendship bust up. 761 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: Let's start the rumor going. I mean Amy has disappeared 762 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: from this conversation, lifting the veil up for a second. 763 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: That is because this is the second time that we 764 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: are recording this podcast today and Amy has had to 765 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: leave to go and edit the part we've started because 766 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: it's eight thirty at night, which anyone who is a 767 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: mum knows that this is very late for us. I 768 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: haven't even had my dinner. This is throwing my whole 769 00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: fucking night out. But I mean, I think it is 770 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: my fault that this didn't record. Yeah, so normally we 771 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: try and record in our son's nap times. They all 772 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: sort of have a similar nap schedule, and we did. 773 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 1: We managed to somehow get it all done and then 774 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: two hours later, I got informed that the version that 775 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: you and Amy recorded at her house didn't actually record 776 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: it somehow deleted itself from the SD card. So, to 777 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: be honest, the fight that we had after that probably 778 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: could cause a massive feud between us, but we've got 779 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: on with it and I'm very much looking forward to 780 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: having my dinner. So I hope people have enjoyed this 781 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: episode because I mean, I actually think it was better 782 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 1: the second time. To be honest, I mean I actually 783 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: think I like the first time around. It was a 784 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: bit more organic. But you know, let us know if 785 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: you have enjoyed this episode. I mean, could I be 786 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: cheeky and request a five star rating for us having 787 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 1: to back it up and do it twice, That would 788 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: be quite lovely. This is almost punishment for the fact 789 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: that we decided to take Tuesday's episode off. But I 790 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: know we're going to be strict this year. We're going 791 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,240 Speaker 1: to allow ourselves to enjoy long weekends with our families. 792 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: But I think that just shows can't do it. We 793 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: have to record at least three episodes a week. Anyway. 794 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: On that, we do have a bonus episode that drops 795 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: every Thursday for Outspoken Plus subscribers. If you're not a subscriber, 796 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 1: what are you doing. It's an excellent deal. You get 797 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: an extra episode every week, five ninety nine a month. 798 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: All the details design are in the show notes, and 799 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: that's why we're going to leave things today because we're 800 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: incredibly hungry. If you do enjoy the show, as Sophie begged, 801 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: please leave us a five star review. This podcast is 802 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana people of 803 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past and present,