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Speaker 1: is the Opposition leader Lea Finocchio. Good morning, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Leah, what exactly are you going to be putting forward

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you Katie. So, of course we've had a

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Speaker 2: police force in crisis for a number of years now.

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Speaker 2: Attrition has hit all time highs. We know morale is

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Speaker 2: Police Association released its survey results which showed exactly that

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Speaker 2: an inquiry. We want it to be a full parliamentary

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Speaker 2: inquiry that runs for thirty days, which calls the police

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Speaker 1: Certainly, just to be real, perfectly clear for our listeners,

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. So it's not crime per se, because of

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Speaker 1: Leah, would this be a talk feast, as the chiefs

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Speaker 2: I think Natasha Fhiles calling it a talk first is

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. They're not getting on with anything. It's been

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Speaker 2: And as a result of that, our longest and proudest institution,

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Speaker 1: All right, Leah, what else is on the agenda for

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Speaker 1: Do you think we may have seen though with first

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Speaker 1: So would they only spend a few hours then in prison?

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Speaker 2: So it's up to the court. Our legislation was that

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Speaker 1: Leah, what about fuel? Are you introducing any legislation or

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Speaker 2: So you can imagine it's very very good to be time,

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Speaker 2: Look, Katie, these are unsubstantiated claims. I think the word

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Speaker 2: Needless to say, no political party should have any extremist

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Speaker 1: But so was the bloke photographed, you know, with white

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Speaker 1: as I understand it, at another point, and then photograph

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Speaker 2: Look, Katie, like I said, these are unsubstantiated claims, I

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Of course, our position and my position is at no

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Speaker 1: So is he a member of the CLP.

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Speaker 2: These are questions for the party, Katie, but again they

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Speaker 1: All right, so I'll ask you then, did you have

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Speaker 2: Well, Katie, honestly, I have photos with so many people,

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Speaker 2: I have a photo with someone, it's pretty ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: So do you think there's any need at this point

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I guess you know. The accusation is as

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Speaker 1: I say, it was in the NT news that the

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Speaker 1: photographed with this bloke. It doesn't sound like you're too

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Speaker 1: keen to go into it, but you know, I guess

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Speaker 1: the concern here is that there's an apparent white supreme

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Speaker 1: sympathizer that's been part of the COLP. Would be the

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Speaker 1: you know, the ultimate concern if that's the case.

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Speaker 2: Sure, if it was the case, but these are unsubstantiated claims, Katie.

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Speaker 2: And as I've said, no political party should have extremists

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Speaker 2: views or extremist members. Many that these unsubstantiated claim.

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Speaker 1: Well, Leah Fanocchiaro, we are going to leave it there.

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Speaker 1: We'll probably catch up with you later in the week anyway,

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Speaker 1: to find out how we go with this or how

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Speaker 1: it goes with this, this legislation around the Select Committee.

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Speaker 1: I'll be very keen to hear, so please keep us

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Speaker 1: up to date. I appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we will absolutely Thanks Katie, but thank you