1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: So we brought you the news at the Bail and 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Weapons Offenses Review was released and recommended no changes to 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: bail laws. There is a change in definition of machetes 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: and axes, meaning people committing offenses with these weapons will 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: now be subject to bail laws passed in late March March, 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: I should say now the laws were passed following, as 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: we know, the tragic death of twenty year old bottle 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: shop worker Declan Lavity. Now Declan's mum, Samara, joins me 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: on the line right now. Good morning, Samara, good morning, 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, Thank you, thanks so much 11 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: for your time this morning. Samara, what was your reaction 12 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: to this announcement made by the Northern Territory Government yesterday. 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: Disappointment. I was very very disappointment, as disappointed to see 14 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: that there are no changes, Samara. 15 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: I think that your disappointment is certainly support by Territorians 16 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: this morning. You know, we understand that this review has happened. 17 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: We've all sort of had a read through it and 18 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: we're looking at, you know, at the numbers that have 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: been provided by the Northern Territory Government and provided by 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: this review, saying that the large majority of people that 21 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: are on bail, don't re offend. But I asked the 22 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: Chief Minister this morning, if that is the case, how 23 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 1: have we wound up in a situation where your young 24 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: fellows lost his life at the hands of somebody who 25 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: is allegedly on bail for a previous offense. 26 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 2: Exactly, it's just biggest belief. This morning, I jumped online 27 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: to have a look at the cases that are going 28 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: before court this morning in the Northern Territory and there 29 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: are one hundred and thirteen breaches of bail and one 30 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: hundred and ten aggravated assaults listed for being heard. Now, 31 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: a lot of those breaches of fail probably aren't particularly violent, however, 32 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: when you put them with the amount of aggravated assaults 33 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: there have been, and that's not including things like contravening 34 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: a DVO within a sense of weapon unlawfully causing serious 35 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: harm or domestic violence or whatever it is. But those 36 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 2: numbers are just pretty big for one day of court hearing. 37 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: They're staggering. I mean, they're absolutely staggering when you put 38 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: it that way. And I obviously haven't been online and 39 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: had a look, but from what you are saying to me, 40 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: it's a staggering number, and I think it really hits 41 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: the heart of why people are feeling pretty disillusioned this morning. 42 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 2: Oh I agree, just sitting down and looking through this, 43 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: A lot of them were particularly the breach of fail 44 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: and aggravated assault. A lot of them were the same 45 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: names for four or five different charges. And I just 46 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: don't understand how they can think that these so called 47 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 2: and mental laws are going to prevent that it needs 48 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: to go further. And that's what they're just not acknowledging, Samara. 49 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: Fifteen thousand people, more than fifteen thousand people agree with you, 50 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: and they've signed a petition which is going to be 51 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: presented in Parliament today by the opposition leader Leofanocchiaro. What 52 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: exactly is that petition calling for and what are you 53 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: hoping that the presentation of that petition to Parliament today 54 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: is going to say? 55 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: Well, when I have just had a look about five 56 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: minutes ago at how many signatures we've got, we're now 57 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: up to sixteen thousand, eight hundred and thirty six. Wow, 58 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: I saw I know that. That's just it's amazing to 59 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: see the amount of support that has been raised following 60 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: deck and murder. What we want out of this is 61 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: we did our specifically for that Wanding trial. Obviously they 62 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: had already after JACKLINSMTH had planned to send people over 63 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: and I think that's a really really great start. But 64 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: I did hear I think Robin Lamley, so you was 65 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: thinner saying about racial profiling. So with this trial of 66 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 2: Wanding there should be and then maybe I don't know, 67 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: but a way for police to avoid specifically racially profiling people. 68 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: Now the Opposition has this morning said, as has Robin Lamley, 69 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: the Independent Member for Aarah Lawn, and Keziapuricus, the Independent 70 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: Member for Gorda. They have said that when it comes 71 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: to the Wanding and when it comes to the changes 72 00:04:54,520 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: with the knife crime legislation, they've literally been briefed this morning. 73 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: Robin and Kesier have not even been briefed on this 74 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: urgent legislation that is set to go into to Parliament. 75 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: I think we're all hoping that it's going to make 76 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: some kind of change to the concerns that we've got 77 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: around knife crime. I mean, do you worry that this 78 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: is sort of being rushed through with minimal opportunity for 79 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: the Independence and the Opposition to really kind of thoroughly 80 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: go through the legislation. 81 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I was notified about this at about eleven 82 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 2: o'clock yesterday and all I was told was about the 83 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: wandering at the times of potential imprisonment if you are 84 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: caught with an offensive or a controlled weapon. Yeah, it's 85 00:05:53,640 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: just yes, sorry, feel really hard to talk about, Samara. 86 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: I want to tell you right now that as you 87 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: and I are talking that petition, those numbers have raised 88 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: up to seventeen than fifty five people. So you know, 89 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: the emotion that you're feeling is being felt by territories 90 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: this morning as well, and they're actually stepping up in 91 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: droves to make sure that you realize that they support you, 92 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: which I think is a really strong thing and hopefully 93 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: something that you can take some heart in after the 94 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: absolute tragedy that you're still living. 95 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: I am absolutely so grateful, and I know Declin's Dade 96 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 2: and his siblings are all very grateful for that support. 97 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 2: But I would also like to say thank you to Mitchell, 98 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 2: who started this petition the day after Declan's death. It 99 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: was a handed over to me a couple of months 100 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: ago and we've done work from there, but Mitchell did 101 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: a really, really great job getting it off the ground, 102 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:05,679 Speaker 2: and that seems to have resonated with so so many people, 103 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 2: and I just really hope that the incumbent government can 104 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 2: look at that, look at the size of the petition 105 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: that's being handed in and realize that, no, they're not 106 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: meeting community expectations. It's I have not been one person 107 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: in favor of any of this. It's all really sadly 108 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: quite negative stuff about people not feeling heard or acknowledged. 109 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that this was the petition that Mitchell 110 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: had started, you know, back at that at that terrible time. 111 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: We'd spoken to him at the time, and I know 112 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: that even you know, from that day, there are a 113 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: lot of Territorians jumping online to support what he you know, 114 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: what he'd done, and the fact that these numbers continued 115 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: to grow, they're growing as we speak. Samara, what is 116 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: your message for Territorians this morning? Firstly, I know that 117 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: you still want to see change. What do you want 118 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: Territorians this morning to know? 119 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: But definitely has been the catalyst for change. This is 120 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: not something that four and a half months ago I 121 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: could ever have seen myself doing. But I will make 122 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: change for my son. I promised him that, and I 123 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: will follow through, and the follow through with that will 124 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: have hopefully a really positive effect on the lives and 125 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 2: the lifestyle and the safety of the people in the 126 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: Northern Territory. And if I can work towards that and 127 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: make help make it a safer place to live in 128 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: such a beautiful area with the support that we have gotten, 129 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 2: I will absolutely do my best. 130 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: Samara, Have you heard from the Chief Minister or any 131 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: representatives from the Northern Territory government in the recent days. No. 132 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: All I've had was the one frame conversation yesterday and 133 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 2: an email sector on a fat sheet over it. That 134 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: has been it. I've heard nothing from anyone. 135 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: Would you like them to sit down with you again? 136 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely, because they haven't sat down with me yet. 137 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: So if the opportunity was there, you would be keen 138 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: to sit down with the Chief Minister and have a genuine, 139 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 1: you know, mom to mom conversation with her. 140 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 2: I would absolutely do that because all I've received from 141 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: them is politics. There's been there's been no emotion. If 142 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: only people could understand how horfic it is to know 143 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: that that is your son and maybe she needs to 144 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: look at it from everybody else's of you and she's 145 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: a mom, what if it was her child. It comes 146 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: back to I guess humanity as well. 147 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: Samara. I honestly, I've got so much admiration for the 148 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: strength that you have shown and your whole family has 149 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: shown in the wake of the tragedy of losing your 150 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: young fella. And I really really hope that we see 151 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: the change that I know you want to see and 152 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: that I know territorians want to see. And you know, 153 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: I'm really grateful every time that you do come on 154 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: and the strength that you show when you speak to 155 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: me and to all of our listeners. 156 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I'm just a mom who doesn't 157 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: want this to happen to any other mom. Edward again, 158 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: if there's anything that we can do to stop that from. 159 00:10:55,679 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: Happening, Samara, thank you as all ways for your time. 160 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,599 Speaker 1: Thank you for taking the time to talk to me, 161 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: for taking the time to talk to our listeners. I 162 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: cannot imagine how hard it is every time that you 163 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: are out in public reliving your pain. And we are 164 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: really incredibly grateful that you speak, that you've spoken to 165 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: us this morning again. 166 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: And thank you so much for having me and letting 167 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: me have this way. 168 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: Thank you, Samara and we'll keep in contact. I appreciate 169 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 1: your 170 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: Time great thank you so much.