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Speaker 1: Ash, did you know that most romances happen in the office.

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Speaker 2: I hate to break it to you, Matt, but I'm

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Speaker 2: a happily married man. That but a couple of drinks, Ash, please,

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Speaker 2: Oh so well.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest is a Sunday Times best seller broadcaster and

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Speaker 1: known for her astute opinions on Mamma Mia out loud,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Jesse Stevens. She also happened to find

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Speaker 1: love in the workplace.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Matt, and not any kind of love ooh. Luca

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Speaker 3: Levine also happens to be Jesse's boss's son.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's gcy. You never know who, what, or where

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Speaker 1: you'll find the love of your life, Ash.

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Speaker 3: That's what makes life so exciting. Certainly it certainly had

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Speaker 3: a bit of spice to the workplace, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: And Jesse spills all the tea.

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Speaker 1: Yes because boiler Alert. Luca and Jesse's romance produced a

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Speaker 1: beautiful baby girl, little Luna, who is almost two years old.

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Speaker 2: Jesse also has a bit to share about her experience

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Speaker 2: of parental depression and how the pressure to get shit

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Speaker 2: done before she gave birth made her film Numb.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Back to two doting dads and one doting mom.

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Speaker 1: I am Maddie.

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Speaker 4: J I'm Ash and I am Jesse Stevens. I am

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Speaker 4: the doting mum. I think I think three.

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Speaker 1: Lsta Is it anyone else? No, just bust under the table.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast all about parenting. It is the good, it.

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Speaker 3: Is the bad and the relatable.

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Speaker 1: And if you've come for advice, Jesse, we do not

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Speaker 1: give it, not from Ash and myself. However, you are

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Speaker 1: a very intelligent person, far superior than us simple minded

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Speaker 1: dad's on the side. Yes, so you I'm sure, please,

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Speaker 1: I hope give advice if you've got.

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Speaker 3: Any no pressure.

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Speaker 4: Well, I've had Ash on a podcast I did before

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Speaker 4: giving us advice, which one was.

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Speaker 5: That it was called the baby Bubble.

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Speaker 3: I forget the name for a second. Yeah, and we had.

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Speaker 5: Actually, I'm sure you gave us some advice. You're very wise. Actually, no,

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Speaker 5: you talked.

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Speaker 4: About having a proseectomy. Remember that we asked you all

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Speaker 4: the details about you for sect me.

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Speaker 3: It's very enlightening.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for asking me many questions about my penis

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Speaker 6: and testicles.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Did you fuck the lawyer? The lawyers will be annoyed.

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Speaker 1: Did you give advice on that episode. No, nothing real,

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Speaker 1: Jesse did he?

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Speaker 5: I think we knew he wasn't an advice guy.

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Speaker 3: Thanks thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: We always start off going back to what you were

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Speaker 1: like as a teenager, and I dare say that I

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Speaker 1: think you would have been someone who would have been

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Speaker 1: like a ducks of the school.

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Speaker 3: I was going to pick that too. Actually, yeah, I do.

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Speaker 4: Not come across as a duck school cryptal. No was

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Speaker 4: a house captain.

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Speaker 1: What's a house captain?

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Speaker 5: A house captain, sports, house captain? Yeah, like that, like that.

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Speaker 4: Claire and I were house captain of yellow yellow house, Yellow.

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Speaker 4: I know, I didn't feel yellow didn't have the same

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Speaker 4: Was it called yellow? No, it was called a saint's

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Speaker 6: Oh, we have hours are named after different birds, like.

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Speaker 5: I knew I was going to say you're in red?

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Speaker 3: I was red.

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Speaker 4: You just just have red energy because red a wise

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Speaker 4: No, I was yellow house captain and I was I

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Speaker 5: The prediction for who got second? In my ear?

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Speaker 5: This was a psychic podcast that was very exciting.

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Speaker 4: I think it was some twin telepathy ship where we

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Speaker 5: Let's just we'll come together as a team.

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Speaker 4: We just studied really hard, and I ended up I

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Speaker 4: My mum taught it a co for years and years.

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Speaker 4: just you know, it was actually more sporty, which I

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Speaker 3: Did you ever get in trouble at school and blame

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Speaker 1: You never did anything, like, hey, you're much better at

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Speaker 3: You could have just pretended to be one student gone

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Speaker 5: I really really well. We used to do that.

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Speaker 4: We worked at a golf club for years together, and they,

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Speaker 3: How good, it's very very good.

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Speaker 1: You did very well at school, I'm assuming did very

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Speaker 5: And not that well at university.

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Speaker 1: She's being modest. You end up working at my yeap,

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Speaker 1: which I have to congratulate, and all the amazing work

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Speaker 5: It's a very fun job, very fun.

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Speaker 5: He'd finished school, didn't know what he was doing and

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Speaker 1: Next At this point, any romantic sparks internally.

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Speaker 3: No, no, as anyone said could pick up on it.

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Speaker 5: No, we were just really good friends.

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Speaker 4: And I think we started actually recording a podcast and

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Speaker 5: It was probably about your season of The Bachelor.

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Speaker 4: God, I'm sorry, writing recauts, lots of zooming in on

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Speaker 4: Like he just liked our work.

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Speaker 4: We'd turn up and pitch every morning. And you know

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Speaker 5: In the right place.

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Speaker 5: Cost you a job, like, but don't break my.

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Speaker 4: Like you've got your position here, you got your role

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we don't know.

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Speaker 5: Do we know, because I never dumped him.

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Speaker 4: It was funny because I think that she talked about

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Speaker 4: It's just like it's the weirdest it's the weirdest dynamic,

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Speaker 5: So we've just been really, really honest about it.

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Speaker 4: And I know that she had a lot of big

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Speaker 1: So then who spearhead the conversation about when you would

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Speaker 4: Well, I was I would have been happy years before

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Speaker 4: Trying at thirty one, and then of course you get

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Speaker 3: Can we have the proposal story quickly?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

448
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Speaker 5: Yes, yes.

449
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,400
Speaker 4: We were in Martha's vineyard and we were walking along

450
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,600
Speaker 4: a beach and Rory Luca was like, let's get a photo,

451
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 4: which was a first He's never won on a photo

452
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:05,879
Speaker 4: in his Whole Life giveaway and Rory Claire's husband was

453
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,399
Speaker 4: holding the phone and then Luca knelt down and I

454
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,200
Speaker 4: was like, what are you doing, and then realized that

455
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,160
Speaker 4: he was filming it and that it was a proposal.

456
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,640
Speaker 5: But I'd had a few a few days before. I'd

457
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,320
Speaker 5: picked up his jacket and said.

458
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:19,520
Speaker 4: It had got a bit cold and put my hands

459
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,640
Speaker 4: in the pocket and thought I felt some AirPods. Took

460
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 4: my hands straight back out. But then when Luca saw

461
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 4: me wearing the jacket, he lost his shit and was like,

462
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:31,200
Speaker 4: don't chake my jacket. I was like, whoa, I should break.

463
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,359
Speaker 5: Up with him?

464
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,399
Speaker 4: And it turns out that was the ring and I

465
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 4: just didn't notice. So yeah, and then we were engaged

466
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 4: and fell pregnant accidentally, and I discovered one evening when

467
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 4: he was out and he walked in and I had

468
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,679
Speaker 4: like half a block of chocolate in my mouth, and

469
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 4: the pregnancy test, just sitting there and he was like, ah,

470
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 4: so it was a bit because I think we had

471
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 4: a wedding date set. I was writing a book, you know,

472
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 4: we were renting a tiny apartment and it.

473
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Speaker 5: Was just like the red time.

474
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like a shock, but in the moment

475
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 4: we both knew that it was going to be the

476
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 4: right time. But it was a real shock. You go

477
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 4: through some really complicated emotions when it's a shock. I

478
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 4: think it's like it's not as simple as excitement. You

479
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,120
Speaker 4: kind of have to recalibrate what the rest of your

480
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 4: life looks like in an hour.

481
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, confronting.

482
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Speaker 6: Do you remember the time you broke it to me

483
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Speaker 6: that she was going to be a grandmother?

484
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Speaker 4: I had Actually we were doing a tour of Out

485
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Speaker 4: Loud when I was about eight weeks pregnant, so I

486
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 4: wasn't telling anyone yet. But we went to dinner after

487
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 4: one of the shows and there was wine and Maya

488
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 4: tried to pour me a glass and I said, no, no,

489
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 4: I don't feel like it, and she said, what are

490
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 4: you pregnant? And I was like, it was like, I

491
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 4: can't tell you now that you're a grandmother face.

492
00:21:54,880 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 5: I was like, no, I'm just feeling, well, you shouldn't

493
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 5: ask him enough.

494
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 4: And then a few weeks later I think that we

495
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 4: did it with maybe it was Mother's Day, maybe it

496
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 4: was something, and we gave her a card and it

497
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 4: was like we gave her a card for something, and

498
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 4: she like didn't open it straight away, and we were going,

499
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 4: we think you should open your card, and then she

500
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 4: read it and it must have said to Nana or

501
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 4: something like that, like it had something on it, and

502
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 4: I just remember her face being like, oh my god,

503
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 4: like it was such a shock to her and Jason

504
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 4: like they were not expecting that, because I think when

505
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 4: the wedding was happening, it was like you were assuming

506
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 4: it was going to happen, and they were both like, oh.

507
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 5: My god, what the hell.

508
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: So, yeah, you've spoken quite a lot about the fact

509
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Speaker 1: that pregnancy for you was quite difficult for those who

510
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Speaker 1: aren't familiar. Why was it so tough?

511
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 5: Oh, it was a shit shit time. I got.

512
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Speaker 4: I didn't know this, but if you are on anti

513
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 4: anxiety or antidepressants, really any medication then and during pregnancy,

514
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 4: your blood volume increases and it dilutes any medication that

515
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 4: you're on. So suddenly it was like I wasn't on anything.

516
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 4: So I've been on anti anxiety medication for ten years,

517
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 4: and it was like I'd gone off that cold turkey.

518
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 4: So I was probably from I'd say the second I

519
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 4: felt pregnant, I just did not feel like myself. I

520
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 4: felt really weird. I felt foggy, I felt anxious. I

521
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 4: couldn't see the future. And then it got worse and worse.

522
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 4: And I think that there were also environmental factors. I

523
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 4: was working too hard in that I felt as though

524
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 4: my life ended when that baby came out.

525
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 5: I thought, you'll never work again.

526
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 4: You've got till that date to do everything you've ever

527
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 4: wanted to do in your career. So I was finishing

528
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 4: a book, I was writing an episode of a television show.

529
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 4: I was recording five podcasts, six podcasts a week.

530
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Speaker 5: I was going to Melbourne every week for the project.

531
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Speaker 5: It was out of pat I look back and go.

532
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 5: I was flying at thirty weeks thirty six weeks pregnant

533
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 5: to Melbourne for a day and wondering yeah all the time,

534
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 5: and wondering why.

535
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 4: My body was just And I got married, moved house,

536
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 4: all of those things while pregnant, and I just tried

537
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 4: to fit too much in and completely burnt out, and

538
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 4: I was, oh, it was like I was underwater, I

539
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 4: was in a dream.

540
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 5: I couldn't feel anything. I was totally numb.

541
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Speaker 1: Were you communicating this to Luke or anybody else?

542
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

543
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 4: He ended up actually contacting my obstetrician and midwife and

544
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 4: just being like, we.

545
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 5: Do something about this problem in the house.

546
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 4: And they were fantastic, and I saw a really good

547
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 4: psychiatrist who That was the Other thing is that from

548
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 4: about six months I didn't sleep, and not like I

549
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 4: had sore hips, like I didn't sleep. It would be

550
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 4: four days and I'd be like, that's the fourth night

551
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 4: of no sleep.

552
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 3: What was it that was stopping you from sleeping?

553
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 4: Do you think it was pregnancy? It some near it

554
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 4: was hormonal. So it was like my brain could not

555
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 4: switch off, and I started hallucinating. I would like get

556
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 4: up and be like, I can't drive to work. I'm

557
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 4: it's like I've had I'm drunk, Like I can't even

558
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 4: stand up right.

559
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 5: So that was awful.

560
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 4: And the second the baby came out, I could sleep,

561
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 4: like I slept better in the postpartum period than I had.

562
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,479
Speaker 3: In well four or five months before.

563
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: We talk about birth when you saw the psychologist, you're

564
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: still pregnant. Yeah, was there any advice or was anything

565
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: that you opened up.

566
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 4: About or yeah, he said, And I thought this was

567
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 4: really helpful that the rates of people acknowledging they're not

568
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 4: feeling right in pregnancy and addressing it and then them

569
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 4: avoiding postnatal depression are really high, like as in, it's

570
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 4: the best thing you can do. Flag it as early

571
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 4: as you can, even if in the first trimester you're like, oh,

572
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 4: I'm not feeling like myself, I'm feeling really anxious. And

573
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 4: a lot of people say I cried every day during pregnancy, Like,

574
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 4: go and speak to something, because a.

575
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 6: Lot of a lot of women, I assume, early on

576
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 6: in their pregnancy would just think, Okay, this is just

577
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 6: part of it, right, instead of going, okay, there's actually

578
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 6: something not wrong.

579
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 4: Yes, And then what often happens is that they're actually

580
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 4: signs that can then lead to post natal depression. And

581
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 4: if it's untreated, then you can wake up a year

582
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 4: later and go, I just lost a year with my baby,

583
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 4: like because I just felt like shit and none of

584
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 4: that that cloud it was like a cloud and excite

585
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 4: like exciting, amazing things would happen and it was like,

586
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 4: I just couldn't.

587
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 5: I couldn't touch it, I couldn't access.

588
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 4: I could have won the lottery, and I would have

589
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,239
Speaker 4: been like, I can't muster a feeling about that.

590
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 3: You just felt like you couldn't connect with anything.

591
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, really like and I thought, did that help?

592
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 1: Did you lighten your workload? Did that help it all?

593
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 5: No? I didn't it would have though you should be

594
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 5: a psychologis No.

595
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 4: What helped was increasing the stage of medication was definitely good.

596
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 4: And he gave me sleeping aids because the issue is

597
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 4: that they are very reluctant to give you anything that

598
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 4: will help you sleep in case it impacts the baby.

599
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 4: But good psychiatrists, you know, have all the research and

600
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 4: they know what's worth it, because yeah, it's not safe

601
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 4: to have a pregnant woman walking around who hasn't slept

602
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 4: if he's not good for anyone.

603
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 5: So he was fantastic and really prepared me for that

604
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 5: next kind of and then trimester.

605
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: Were you more anxious about then getting baby out or

606
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: were you looking forward to just closing that chapter on

607
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: being pregnant.

608
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 4: I was really anxious because I was terrified about childbirth,

609
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 4: so scared and thinking that I'd had a really traumatic

610
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 4: pain experience about eighteen months before where I'd broken my

611
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,239
Speaker 4: leg and had been stuck in the Northern Territory with

612
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 4: no pain relief for like eight hours, and had this

613
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 4: thing of I can't be stuck in pain, Like if

614
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 4: I'm stuck and I can't have respite, then I'll freak.

615
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 4: But I worked like really hard on that with like

616
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 4: a physio and my obstetrician had a.

617
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: Full plan, so a full birth plan.

618
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, had a plan, and the obstrition said, I think

619
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 4: you should try for natural and see how it goes

620
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 4: and so. But the issue though was that I didn't

621
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 4: think it would be relief after I was so terrified

622
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 4: for I thought I'd still be stuck in their space

623
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 4: and that the birth might go really badly and then

624
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 4: I'm not sleeping still.

625
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 5: I definitely wasn't feeling hopeful.

626
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 3: You didn't feel like I was in a lot at

627
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 3: the end of the time.

628
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 5: No, definitely not.

629
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Speaker 6: I mean, already, like as parents will to be parents,

630
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 6: you're like, Okay, well, what's going to happen.

631
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: Next, what's going to happen?

632
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 4: And all I saw and I don't know if it's

633
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 4: like an algorithm thing. But literally all I saw was negativity.

634
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 4: And I remember reaching out to Laura and saying thank

635
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 4: you for saying something positive, Like I just saw her

636
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 4: saying something about motherhood that was somewhat positive, and I

637
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 4: was like, you have no idea how important it is

638
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 4: for people to see role models and like people on

639
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,239
Speaker 4: the other side who are not only talking about what

640
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 4: hell it is because pregnant women are not okay.

641
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 5: Pregnant women are walking around.

642
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 4: Uncomfortable and tired being told that they're about to ender

643
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 4: hell like that's.

644
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah's great.

645
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: How did you make sure that after the birth of

646
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: Luna you didn't get burnt out again?

647
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 4: I had decided to take a maternity leave, and in

648
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 4: my head it was like, oh, I need a month

649
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 4: and I'll get back, and in fact it was it

650
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 4: was me and it was Holly my co hosts, who

651
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 4: just went every woman does this. Every woman thinks that

652
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 4: they will need a month and that you don't you

653
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 4: need more. You like, take as much as you need,

654
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 4: but actually don't lock it in, like say you say

655
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 4: you're going to take three or four months, and then

656
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 4: if you need six, if you need twelve, then just

657
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 4: go with it.

658
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 5: I had a book that was due.

659
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 4: Sorry, I think I finished it at about thirty six

660
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 4: weeks p something like that. Anyway, it came out when

661
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 4: I was five weeks postpartum. So I did Q and

662
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 4: A and I did the project and I did a

663
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 4: morning television thing.

664
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 5: I'm no memory of any of it. But I actually

665
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 5: felt fucking amazing. I felt like I was on ecstasy,

666
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 5: like I felt high.

667
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 3: It was great because of the book.

668
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 6: No no, no, no no.

669
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 4: I was sleeping like I might've only been sleeping four

670
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 4: hours a night, but I was like I got to

671
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 4: sleep last night and I and it was deep sleep,

672
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 4: and I felt like myself again. And this fog, this

673
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 4: grayness had just immediately lifted, Like when I gave back

674
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 4: to Luna. It was immediate, it just lifted. It left

675
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 4: the room and I haven't seen it since. Wow, it

676
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 4: was like unbelievable, unbelievable because the labor itself was like

677
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 4: sixty two hours.

678
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 5: I didn't sleep for three or four nights. I was

679
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 5: a mess.

680
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 4: But when she came out, I just had all of

681
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 4: that and I was I deserved some good luck. So

682
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna like own that. But like I had the

683
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 4: come out life changing. See the universe, brain changing. I

684
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 4: had all of that, like total euphoria. It was like fantastic.

685
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: Wow, it was so good.

686
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 5: And even the birth like it was great.

687
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: It sixty two hours, it was great.

688
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 5: Tired, but the episure were worked and I pushed her

689
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 5: out and it was and then I pulled her out.

690
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 5: That's right. He got me. He got me to put

691
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 5: my arms under like her arms and pull her out,

692
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 5: and it was amazing. Wow. Just seeing her silly little

693
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 5: eyes was just like you have a face, you have

694
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 5: a face with features.

695
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: On it, like what's the baby?

696
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 5: Was she? You know what?

697
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 4: I loved it, but I look at like especially those

698
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 4: early things, and it was it was hard. Like she

699
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 4: had like a dairy intolerance, so that was really hard.

700
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 4: So but she she would sleep, even if it was

701
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 4: for two hours at a time. And as I've understood it,

702
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 4: there are a lot of people who don't get that

703
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 4: that's when you go insane.

704
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 5: So she would like pretty consistently like two hours, wake up,

705
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 5: two hours, whatever, and then I would just sleep in.

706
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 5: Someone said to me, the trick is to never get

707
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 5: out of bed, and it's so true.

708
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 4: And it's like when you've got a newborn and they

709
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 4: get up at seven and I see people get up

710
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 4: and put their clothes on.

711
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 5: I'm like, no, bitch, we're get in bed, put them

712
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 5: in the cut.

713
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: You go, yeah, exactly.

714
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 4: And when you've got one, you can do it with two.

715
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 4: I imagine that that's but with one, it's like. But

716
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 4: she she's a very placid baby. She was very placid

717
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 4: and quite calm and like we just went for lots

718
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 4: of walks and stuff. But yeah, the dairy thing was

719
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 4: really hard because it was and we had failure to thrive.

720
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 4: She's putting on weight fairly. To thrive is when you

721
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 4: know how they leave a certain weight and then they

722
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 4: need them to put on what they Yeah, so she

723
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 4: was a little ish, not that little.

724
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 5: She just would not put on weight. And I would

725
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 5: be her ten twelve times a day and we'd go

726
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 5: back and they'd be like, she's lost seventy grams. And

727
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 5: that happened week after week. And I was like, study

728
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 5: her for like somemo ZM pict shit because her metabolism,

729
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 5: there is some gene here you can quone.

730
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: Do I know what it was?

731
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 5: They still don't.

732
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 3: Really.

733
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 4: She was refluxy, like she's a bit vomity. But I'm

734
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 4: like I think she just has a fabulous metal.

735
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: You're welcome.

736
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 4: It was really and I think I was trying to

737
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 4: feed and trying to feed, and then a lot of

738
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 4: people just said look through the formula. We had issues

739
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 4: with that because of the dairy thing. But once we

740
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 4: got onto the rice milk situation, then she started to.

741
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: Put it on. Once you figure out the dairy thing,

742
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 3: like yeah, and.

743
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 4: Once you can go all right, I think we've worked

744
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 4: it out. She's on this particular formula and we did

745
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 4: a bit of mixed feeding. I think I fed it

746
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 4: for five or six months breastfed, and then once she

747
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 4: was on that got.

748
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 5: A lot easier.

749
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, they get chunky pretty quick too.

750
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.

751
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: You talk about that fear of like there is no

752
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: greater hindrance to your career than starting a family. Now

753
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: that you've been through that, those fears that you once had,

754
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: how do you view them?

755
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 4: What no one tells you is that what you want

756
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 4: will change. And that's what I can't have anticipated or expected.

757
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: It's like I kept looking at people and going where

758
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 4: she disappeared to, where's he disappeared to after having a family,

759
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 4: and thinking, oh, they fell out of relevance or something,

760
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 4: and now actually having spoken to those people and knowing them,

761
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 4: it's like they didn't want to do it anymore, Like

762
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 4: they just by their own volition, went, I want my

763
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 4: life to look different, and so yeah, I think I

764
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 4: thought that opportunities would dry up, and that's not necessarily happened.

765
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 4: And it's such a small it's actually a way shorter

766
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 4: period in the scheme of things. You think it's going

767
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 4: to feel like forever. But people at work on attorney

768
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 4: leave all the time too. I swear it's two weeks later.

769
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 5: I walk back in and I'm like, I don't even

770
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 5: remember you being gone. Back about eight children. I'm like, WHOA,

771
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 5: Like it is quicker than you think, and it's a

772
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 5: reshuffling of your priorities. But I actually think that's a

773
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 5: brilliant thing.

774
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: Have your priority shifted?

775
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and they needed to, Like.

776
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 4: I look at who I was during pregnancy, totally unsustainable,

777
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 4: probably not good value to my family or sister or

778
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 4: parents or husband. They needed they needed to shift, because

779
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 4: it's like if I.

780
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 5: Bite off more than I can chew, I am I'm

781
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 5: just shit.

782
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 4: I go two jobs even It's like I think this

783
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 4: at work, we have these you know, brilliant producers and

784
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 4: brilliant team. If I can't turn up and be in

785
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 4: a great mood for those people, then don't turn up,

786
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 4: Like and it was. I think you can get a

787
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 4: bit of a like almost a victim mentality, being like

788
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 4: I'm so busy and it makes you very entitled. That's

789
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 4: no one's fault but your own. You bid off more

790
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 4: then you can do, and now you're tired and you're irritable.

791
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 4: So I feel as though I've gotten a lot better

792
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 4: at prioritizing. There's definitely been things I've said no to

793
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 4: which I've felt a little bit sad about, but maybe

794
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 4: for two minutes and then I get on with it.

795
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like with parenting, you mentioned there that your wants

796
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 6: change if you want change, and also the things you're

797
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 6: willing to sacrifice change, right, yes, because like you think,

798
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 6: before you had kids and someone would bring something to

799
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 6: you and you would you wouldn't sacrifice that for anything

800
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 6: at that stage until you've got or hang on a minute, yeah,

801
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 6: kid here, and I'm quite happy to sacrifice that.

802
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 5: Now for this.

803
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: Yes.

804
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 4: So the big one for me is travel because it's

805
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 4: like I travel for certain TV stuff or podcast touring

806
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 4: or even book festivals. There's a lot of travel. I

807
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 4: could travel heaps if I wanted to. And now I

808
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 4: just look at it and I look at it in.

809
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 5: My diary and go, it's just not worth it. And

810
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 5: it's not like I actually don't.

811
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 4: When I am away from Luna for a prolonged period

812
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 4: of time, I'm not my best and I miss her

813
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 4: too much.

814
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 5: It's for me. It's a selfish thing. It's not even

815
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 5: that I'm doing it for her. She'll be fine. It's

816
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 5: me that will feel sad about that.

817
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: You talked about your family, just the way things worked out,

818
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: you and your sister were pregnant ahead were times. Was

819
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: that helpful of more of a hindrance?

820
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 5: It was really, it was really good.

821
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 4: So I fell pregnant by accident, and then she got

822
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 4: married in the February. I got married in the March,

823
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 4: and then I was six months pregnant, and Claire kept

824
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 4: saying that she had a wedding present to give me,

825
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 4: and I was like, this was after March, so maybe May.

826
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 4: She kept saying, I've got a wedding present to give you,

827
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 4: which is weird because we don't give each other present.

828
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 4: And then we're in the car and she's like here,

829
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 4: and she gave me a box and I opened it

830
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 4: and it was a pregnancy test and I was like

831
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 4: a positive pregnancy test. And I was like, how did

832
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 4: you get my pregnancy test? And she said, that's not

833
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 4: your pregnancy and I was like, oh, I see, so

834
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 4: I was about six months ahead of her. It was amazing.

835
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 4: It was like it was for even maternity clothes could

836
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: just all go to Clare. I'm so glad my birth

837
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 4: was great and straightforward because she saw that and had

838
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 4: not a single fear and her birth was fucked, so

839
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 4: it could have.

840
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 5: Been the other way around. She'd seen that and then

841
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 5: she'd like, I think that would have screwed us around.

842
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

843
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 4: But everything from like toys to solids, like all the

844
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 4: things that you learn to have, you know, five or

845
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 4: six months between the girls has just.

846
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: Been heaven have either of the kids mistaken you for

847
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: the other.

848
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,959
Speaker 5: There is a comfort that each of them have that's

849
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 5: like unlike with anyone else.

850
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 4: Like Matilda was her daughter was with me yesterday and

851
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 4: the way that she just like reaches up to me.

852
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 4: She knows I'm not her mum, but she knows I'm

853
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 4: a poor imitation and sometimes she's like, you look.

854
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 5: Like her, you have the same coloring.

855
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 4: I clearly don't smell the same or whatever, but she's like,

856
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 4: you'll do. And they both have that Wow.

857
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: Interesting, who is the better mum?

858
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: Me? That would be me, who has a better behaved child?

859
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 4: What's funny is that Clara and I so identical twins.

860
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 4: Those girls are technically half sisters genetically, because it is

861
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 4: like one person had a baby with one guy and

862
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 4: then that same person had a baby with another guy.

863
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 5: Does that makes sense?

864
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. Don't worry to forget about Ash.

865
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm locked in.

866
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 4: So half sisters technically, but they could not be more different.

867
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 5: Like they are total office.

868
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: Your wife, Jesse, forget him, just podcast off, just you

869
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: and me.

870
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: I'll just sit here and shout out.

871
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 4: Just such a great example of like you introduce food

872
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 4: exactly the same way, you do exactly the same sleep schedule,

873
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 4: You parent them exactly the same way, and guess what,

874
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 4: they're their own people like you. Just parenting doesn't even matter.

875
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 4: They come out how they come out, and they just

876
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 4: do their own thing. That's what we've seen.

877
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: One of the biggest steps I think with the young

878
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: child is your first overseas trip, was it you took.

879
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 4: The first trip we went together. So we had a

880
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 4: wedding in Ireland and of course we got mum and dad.

881
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 5: To come to come and help us out.

882
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: That's a long way.

883
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: You have no idea how many months was Luna at

884
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: this point?

885
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 5: She was eleven months? Theory the worst stage.

886
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: Remind me because it's all blur. Are they crawling at

887
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: eleven months? They are crawling but not walking? That they're mobile?

888
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 3: There's a lot of sliding.

889
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, can't lock into the wiggles yet, Yes, that's

890
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 4: the issue. So they can move, they're not having like

891
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 4: they're awake for too long. They can't be distracted fully

892
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 4: by screens.

893
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: So it's weird.

894
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 5: No man's yes, of hell, So we went over there.

895
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 4: We just made so many errors. You just don't know

896
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 4: what you don't know. First error, moving around too much.

897
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 4: You shouldn't move around too much place, you just got

898
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 4: to stay there. Yeah, we did Ireland, well, three different

899
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 4: places in Ireland. Then why not go to the south

900
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 4: of France?

901
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: Of course?

902
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: Why not?

903
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 3: Have you guys ever thought about Kentik?

904
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 5: That's great?

905
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 4: So that was really hard time, like the time zone,

906
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 4: the feeling of being an Ireland and having a baby

907
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 4: wake up at three am and you know the look

908
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 4: in their eye where they go the day's begun.

909
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 5: No, no, no, it hasn't. Now it hasn't. And then

910
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 5: it gets to four pm that day and you're like.

911
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 3: Holy I'm in Ireland.

912
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 4: I'm in a puff, I don't know which way's up,

913
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 4: and your baby's so angry. I actually think Claire's age

914
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 4: five months perfect, perfect day to take baby to Island.

915
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 3: Also like breastfeeding still or stuff.

916
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 4: Carrier isn't crawling, but everywhere you go to sit down

917
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 4: for Luna's not sitting in a hight chair having some lunch.

918
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 4: She's like I want to crawl and get into that

919
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,959
Speaker 4: fountain and I'm like, no, where in this can't happen.

920
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: I hate to gloat, so just bear with me for

921
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: a second. Marley was just gone three months and we

922
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: went to London. That's pretty good, genius.

923
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 5: This is what everyone says. No, no, no, this is

924
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 5: a hack.

925
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 3: This is a hack.

926
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 5: You've got to do it before about I reckon five

927
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 5: or six months.

928
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

929
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 6: I met this couple in Bali once before I had kids,

930
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 6: and they had a five month old kid and he

931
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 6: was like the best.

932
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 3: He's like because on the booty it's like not mobile.

933
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 6: The Balinese women love this kid, so you like, go

934
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 6: sit down at the restaurant, give it to a Balinese,

935
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 6: have your.

936
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 3: Walk.

937
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 6: I think the biggest thing I hate about traveling with

938
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 6: kids or now not so much because I mean they're

939
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 6: just they do want to get up and run around.

940
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 3: It is what it is.

941
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 6: You expect that the worst thing was traveling with them young,

942
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 6: and then when you get to the end of the

943
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 6: travel before you've traveled home and you're like, I'm in

944
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 6: a different country with this child, and now I've got

945
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 6: to get it all the way home.

946
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,479
Speaker 5: And it's like, how is this going to happen?

947
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 4: Because the way it worked is we did that trip

948
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 4: and then Luca had to go back early for work

949
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 4: and I had to do the flight from the south

950
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 4: of France to Sydney with an eleven month old on

951
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 4: my own. That is the single hardest thing I've ever done.

952
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 4: It was she I just at one point I just

953
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 4: took her into the bathroom and we just sat in

954
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 4: the bathroom and cried. I was like, I just need

955
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 4: to cry in private. But I was changing her nappy

956
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 4: and for whatever reason, I had my period. Tried changing

957
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 4: a tampon with an eleven month old on your hip

958
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 4: because you can't put them down. No one else is

959
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 4: going to take her. So I'm like, I'll put you

960
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:54,479
Speaker 4: on the phone.

961
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: I've never done that.

962
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 6: Myself, but I wouldn't put down on an airplane, bathroom

963
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 6: floor up things that literally like are in the quarantines.

964
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 4: Well, even I was trying to get something out of

965
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 4: overhead and you know, you do weird shit when you're

966
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 4: on your own, your sleep drive. So I was getting

967
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 4: something out. I think I put her on the thing

968
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 4: of like the floor of the plane because the yeah, yeah,

969
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 4: put her on the wing and was like, she'll be right.

970
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 4: And then this man walked in traveling on his own

971
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 4: and goes, well, now she's got every illness And I

972
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 4: was like, do you want to hold it? Like I

973
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 4: only have so many arms. I'm trying to get her

974
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 4: bottle or she's going to scream this plane down a

975
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 4: fun I just I was like, it's good for immune system.

976
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just spit on it.

977
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 5: It was so it was so hard. And then because

978
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 5: obviously they don't even have their own seats, so they're

979
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 5: just on Yeah, that was really bonding.

980
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: I always always talk about I think you feel the

981
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: same ash that the newborn phase is so blurry. I

982
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: can't really remember in the first twelve months. This is

983
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: a hard question to answer, first twelve months. What is

984
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: the best part if you can remember, if anything sticks out,

985
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: and what is the worst part.

986
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 5: The best part is the slowness.

987
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 4: I loved the slowness of like getting up in the

988
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 4: morning and like making coffee and then just sitting there

989
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 4: and just watching I remember the first time I watched

990
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 4: her watch something else, like you watch her Discovery Shadow

991
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 4: and you just feel like I could watch you.

992
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 5: It's amazing. Or even at night past a plane and

993
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 5: they're like plan and they do like their little point.

994
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 4: Or even at night I would get her up for

995
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 4: like she'd be out for her feet and you'd turn

996
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 4: a lamp on and you could just see her being

997
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 4: like what is that shadow? And like you watch all

998
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 4: the synapses connected.

999
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: Loved it.

1000
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 5: Yeah. Oh the moment Luna found a ceiling fan, she

1001
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 5: just fell in love and she was like has anyone

1002
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 5: And then you look at it and you're like it

1003
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 5: is pretty cool, cool and you just lay there watching

1004
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 5: things being like it's not right now.

1005
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 4: So that was definitely the best thing, Like the way

1006
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 4: it makes you look at everything differently, even like you

1007
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 4: go to the beach and you watch them play with

1008
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 4: the sand and water and everything, and you're like, yeah,

1009
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 4: that's the literal.

1010
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 3: You eat the sand.

1011
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely, so many firsts sand And it's like

1012
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 4: you didn't need anything on your play.

1013
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: Is there a phase that you think You look back

1014
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: and you think, I would never want to go through

1015
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: that again, but obviously you may.

1016
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 4: Like I think about that eleven month stage, and that

1017
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 4: was really hard, Like I think her not being able

1018
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 4: to walk, yet not being able to properly kind of

1019
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 4: articulate herself. She's quite age, she's very cautious and risk averse,

1020
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 4: but she's Clinging's not the right word. But you know,

1021
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 4: you can't put them down, Like I find that probably

1022
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 4: a bit a bit hard, But every stage had its

1023
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 4: it's good bits, I think because you see them developing

1024
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 4: and yeah, you.

1025
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 6: Mentioned and couldn't walk, probably couldn't articulate. They get so

1026
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 6: frustrated and that now that you said that, that reminds

1027
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 6: me of like that time when Oscar couldn't move, couldn't

1028
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 6: really talk, and he was.

1029
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 3: Just frustrat because he wanted to get up and move.

1030
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 5: But you check less and you're like you're hungry something, yeah, yeah,

1031
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 5: and you just you can't work. There's a there's a

1032
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 5: stage where it's like if they're crying, all they want

1033
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 5: is milk, really, and then there's a stage where you're like,

1034
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 5: I think you're bored and like you can't when coated,

1035
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 5: I don't know how to entertain.

1036
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: You because you're like they either ship themselves, they need

1037
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: to burp, they need to eat, and all of a sudden,

1038
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: all these other emotions.

1039
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 4: I found that quite a simple stage. I think like

1040
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 4: that that part was easy. But but yeah, you get

1041
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 4: to a new stage where the frustrations are new and

1042
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 4: the grumbling is new, and you're just trying.

1043
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: To work it out. This is going to go back

1044
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: to when you were pregnant. I was just wondering if

1045
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: there was anything in those moments where you were really

1046
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: ruggling that Luca did which really helped you.

1047
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 4: I think that him when you're in it, sometimes you

1048
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 4: don't know how bad it is, or how dark it is,

1049
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 4: or how clear it is that you're not coping. Having

1050
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 4: that person do the admin, I would never have sent

1051
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 4: that email to my obstetrition and midwife like that was

1052
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 4: him and then him being like, We're driving you to

1053
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 4: the appointment and I'm feeling that script for you, and

1054
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 4: like he was just very on that and I think

1055
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 4: he actually at one stage went through my diary and

1056
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 4: just went, we're not doing this and we're not doing this,

1057
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 4: and like was really I was about thirty five weeks

1058
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 4: pregnant and I got the flu na remember that got

1059
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 4: the flu and the and covid y, Yeah, I got

1060
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 4: the hybrid and I just remember, like, and you're coughing

1061
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 4: and your ribs are hurting anyway, Like it was awful.

1062
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 4: And that week, like as soon as that happened, he

1063
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 4: was like, all right, I'm doing all the admint Like

1064
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 4: that's what he's really really good at. I didn't have

1065
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 4: to think about anything.

1066
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 3: You need someone to take charge to that mind.

1067
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't even have the energy to

1068
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 4: cancel my week like he was.

1069
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 5: He was very very good like that.

1070
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: Yeah sounds good, sounds great.

1071
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 5: Yeah he is. He's very very good.

1072
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 4: And he's such like to watch his relationship with Luna,

1073
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 4: like that's one of the greatest joys.

1074
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 5: They are best friends.

1075
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 3: How would you describe him as a dad?

1076
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 4: He is like, I can't imagine him not being a

1077
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 4: girl dad like, because that's what he he is. And

1078
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 4: our dog Chile is also a girl, so he's just

1079
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 4: like but Luna is him as a child, and he

1080
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 4: he knows, like he'll get up every morning and he'll

1081
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 4: talk Luna through her day because he's like, I remember

1082
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 4: like and this as a kid, I needed to know

1083
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 4: that what time I had swimming and who was coming

1084
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 4: to visit, that I was going to have this. And

1085
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 4: they are identical, like lucas a very ordered, tidy person,

1086
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 4: and Luna will go and pick up a wed ex

1087
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 4: and start like just cleaning them and I'm times or like,

1088
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 4: go upstairs and I've left something at the bottom of

1089
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 4: the stairs and she'll point at it, like that'll be

1090
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 4: pierced if you don't bring that. She's just yeah, they're

1091
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 4: so so alike. But I think about who I dated

1092
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 4: in my twenties and had some awful people I dated.

1093
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 4: But there have been moments at three am when the

1094
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 4: baby's sick or the baby's crying or whatever, and I've

1095
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,959
Speaker 4: watched Luca get out of bed and I'm like that's

1096
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 4: the mark of a good husband, like it were any

1097
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 4: of those the type of man who would have got.

1098
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 5: Out of bed.

1099
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 4: No if he write this down yet, like that's to Yeah,

1100
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 4: the person who will like, you know, drop everything and

1101
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 4: jump go to the hospital because we need to or

1102
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 4: whatever like that's been.

1103
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, And you don't know how someone's going to be

1104
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 5: as a dad to you.

1105
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you mentioned me. I was saying, I'm too

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Speaker 3: young to be a granddad. How is she adapted?

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Speaker 5: Oh, my goodness, like the best grammar in the world.

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Speaker 6: She is.

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Speaker 4: They have Fridays that they have together, and she has

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Speaker 4: like she's got her this like a baby kitchen, like

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Speaker 4: one of those ties where they like.

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Speaker 5: Make the eggs and stuff.

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Speaker 3: No real heat.

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Speaker 4: No, they have like their own activities and their own

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Speaker 4: books that they read. And like, you know, me is

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Speaker 4: very into clothes and I could not. Luna would wear

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Speaker 4: a potato sack every day for up to me. But

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00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 4: she comes home and these two two's with like like

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Speaker 4: just dresses her up and they love it together.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're just best mates.

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Speaker 6: It's funny when you see grandparents form their own relationships

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Speaker 6: with you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And at first you have to be like she

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Speaker 4: likes this, and then by the end they're telling you

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh, I didn't know she liked the today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like it's funny when you watch it

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Speaker 3: from the outside looking in, just like the little inside

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Speaker 3: jokes that they have.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and even like obviously I met my father in

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Speaker 4: law when he was my CEO, Like he was an

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Speaker 4: intimidating you take him very seriously, highly intelligent man, right

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Speaker 4: like he is a business guy, very smart. And now

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Speaker 4: I see Luna be like she calls him butter, I

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Speaker 4: don't know, just to like insult him, Butter sit.

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Speaker 5: He goes and sits.

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Speaker 4: And then the other day she goes, who we bump

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Speaker 4: them and just to like make fun of him or whatever,

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Speaker 4: and to watch him just piss himself at some of

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00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 4: the things she says. And I'm like, it's no one

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Speaker 4: in the world that could speak to him like that,

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Speaker 4: and yet she gets away with us like she has

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Speaker 4: him tied around her little finger. And it's like the

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Speaker 4: loveliest thing to watch because I don't think that men

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Speaker 4: prepare for it like women do, especially like my dad

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00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 4: and my father in law had no idea how their

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00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 4: lives would change. The grandmothers knew they were prepared for

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Speaker 4: how much they were going to love these babies.

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Speaker 3: And it's funny with the granddads, how much how much

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Speaker 3: love there.

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Speaker 6: Is there right like it with a no prep and

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Speaker 6: then all of a sudden they've got a grand especially

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00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 6: a granddaughter, they're like, oh, they just they turn into

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00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 6: a different person. I turned into a different person when

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Speaker 6: I had a daughter. And then like I can see

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Speaker 6: my dad with my daughter, and it's.

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Speaker 5: Like, where is this more there was?

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Speaker 4: Dad was over the other day, like chasing Luna around,

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Speaker 4: because at first they're apprehensive, especially girls. I think around grandfathers,

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Speaker 4: maybe there's a bit just a bit of apprehension and whatever.

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Speaker 4: And now Luna's just fallen in love with dad and

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Speaker 4: he was chasing around the house and then he left

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Speaker 4: and Luna goes, oh, man.

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Speaker 5: By that was just like I was like, I might

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Speaker 5: not tell doubt about the old man comments.

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Speaker 1: And the podcast on a question, which is when Luna

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Speaker 1: is all grown up, she's no longer living at home,

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Speaker 1: what is the one thing you would want her to

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Speaker 1: remember about the house that she grew up in.

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Speaker 5: That is such a good question.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 4: I just I want her to remember that we had

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Speaker 4: a lot of fun. But most of all, I want

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Speaker 4: her to remember that whoever she was, whoever she was

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Speaker 4: first thing in the morning, or like you know, when

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Speaker 4: she was two or six or twelve, was just enough,

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Speaker 4: like her parents loved her, regardless of whatever results she

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00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 4: brought home from school, whatever she ends up doing with

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Speaker 4: her life.

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Speaker 5: It's like.

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Speaker 4: I remember someone a lot wiser than me once saying this,

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Speaker 4: It's like the world is where you go to challenge

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00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 4: yourself and get rejected. Your house is where you go

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00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 4: for unconditional love. Like that's where you go, where you

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00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 4: go no matter what I do, what I say, these

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Speaker 4: people love me. And I just want her to feel that,

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Speaker 4: Like I don't think you can say I love you

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Speaker 4: enough to a child, and you know she hears that

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Speaker 4: so much. So I want her to just go into

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Speaker 4: the world with that confidence and then take the risks outside.

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Speaker 1: Very good, Jesse, Thank you so much for jumping on

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Speaker 1: the podcast, and I do have to say, because we

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Speaker 1: will give you a great spiel of the intro. It's

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Speaker 1: amazing what you've achieved in media, so a huge well

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Speaker 1: done from Ash and myself, and also for being such

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Speaker 1: an amazing mom.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You know what I love more than anything. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: love it.

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Speaker 3: Your pants are.

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Speaker 1: Also, it's nice to talk to someone who was just

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Speaker 1: so intelligent.

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Speaker 3: You're like, what do you mean? What do I mean?

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Speaker 1: You're very smart? But I mean, hey, none of us

1205
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: went to university. Did you finish school?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: No, no you didn't.

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Speaker 6: Ye.

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Speaker 3: We didn't even lie about it.

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Speaker 1: We just spoke to a best selling author. Ash, we've

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Speaker 1: got a book, kid's books in a different league. Let's

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Speaker 1: admit it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'll let that one slide.

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Speaker 6: If you've enjoyed this episode, please like, share, review, leave

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Speaker 6: a little star review.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even going to say please. I'm just going

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Speaker 1: to say, do it pretty please, do it right now?

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Speaker 1: Actually that's mean, isn't it pretty?

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Speaker 3: Please?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? It would be. It would be nice. If you

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Speaker 1: That's that's a bit threatening. Okay, how can I make

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Speaker 1: it softer? We would appreciate it. That sounds really like condescending,

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Speaker 1: doesn't it just I would really appreciate it. Go going, go, go,

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Speaker 1: and the connections to land, see and community.

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Speaker 6: and in that respect to all Aboriginal and Torrestrate Islander

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