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Speaker 1: We do know. It's been reported today in the paper

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Speaker 1: that frustrations are growing at the Territory government's implementation of

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Speaker 1: tough new workplace vaccine laws, and the heads of two

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Speaker 1: peak industry groups say that there's an urgent need for

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Speaker 1: questions from concerned employees after a lack of consultation. And

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Speaker 1: one of those people joins me on the line right now.

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Speaker 1: It's a Northern Territory Chamber of Commerce Chief Executive, Greg Island.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Greg.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie. Greetings from null on boys.

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Speaker 1: Oh good on you nice? Is it nice and warm

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Speaker 1: out there?

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Speaker 2: It's warm everywhere, I think, Katie. But we're here to

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Speaker 2: have our business ex Sponsor and Customer Service Awards function.

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Speaker 2: You're a null On board tonight. Oh good stuff.

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Speaker 1: A shout out to everybody involved. I'm sure that will

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Speaker 1: be a wonderful event.

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Speaker 2: It'll be great for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, Greg. Obviously we know that there is quite

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Speaker 1: a bit of frustration at this point, and you and

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Speaker 1: I actually spoke on Monday as well about some of

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Speaker 1: the concerns with the implementation of the new workplace vaccine laws.

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Speaker 1: I know that both yourself, and also Dave Malone from

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Speaker 1: Master Builders, who are going to speak with in just

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Speaker 1: a little while, have some concerns around really that lack

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Speaker 2: The short answer, Katie is that we have met with

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Speaker 2: the last few weeks and those have been very positive conversations,

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Speaker 2: really providing their detailed view of where things are intended

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Speaker 2: to go in the future. However, we've still been seeking,

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Speaker 2: any of these health orders being announced, but also just

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Speaker 2: and they're all coming up with their different questions and

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Speaker 2: needing some clarification, and we were really seeking and been

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Speaker 2: seeking for a while a single point of contact where

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Speaker 2: we can get that feedback. Funnily enough, we received an

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Speaker 2: some stages today, but at least there's some progress being made.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's right, And I think, you know, realistically, if

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Speaker 1: they get those vaccine certificates from employees, they're going to

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Speaker 1: need to be storing that information, and they're going to

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Speaker 1: how all that's going to work. A lot of these

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Speaker 2: They absolutely, Katie, and some of them there are some

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Speaker 2: significant risks around storing of public or personal health information,

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Speaker 2: the business is not required to keep copies of that documentation.

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Speaker 2: They just need to cite it and attest to the

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Speaker 2: fact that they've seen it. That's where we're looking for

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Speaker 2: be involved in any of that information. So that's an

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Speaker 2: important step forward, I think. But what we really need

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Speaker 2: There's no clarity on whether that worker remains vulnerable just

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Speaker 1: Now what are some of the other I guess basic

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Speaker 1: I know yesterday when we caught up with Hospitality NTEA

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Speaker 2: So we're part of an Australia wide survey with this respect, Katie,

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Speaker 2: and those numbers aren't back to us yet, but we're

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Speaker 2: And whether that revolves around them perceived lack of risk

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Speaker 2: Look, I think in some circumstances it absolutely will. And

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping that workplaces where flexibility does exist to place

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Speaker 2: It's really going to pan out to see how what

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Speaker 2: that looks like. But in the hospitality case, there's not

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Speaker 1: So just in wrapping up Greg just to finalize, so

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Speaker 1: I know that you've had a heap of those questions

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Speaker 2: Indications are positive, so we're very hopeful that we'll be

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Speaker 2: through the remaining issues and hopefully what's next. I understand

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Speaker 2: that we may be hearing from him reasonably soon about

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Speaker 2: as well well.

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Speaker 1: And it was a conversation that we're starting to have

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Speaker 1: Anastasia Palachet has announced it as of the seventeenth of December.

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Speaker 1: You need that rapid antigen test and seventy two hours

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Speaker 1: in terms of waiting for it to come back and

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Speaker 1: return negative. But they will then be opening up to

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Speaker 1: the rest of the country. Do we need a date?

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Speaker 2: I think they would give us some certainty on what's

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Speaker 2: going to happen next. I'm hopeful that the information that

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Speaker 2: we hear soon will give us that level of certainty

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Speaker 2: and something to work towards well.

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Speaker 1: Chamber of Commerce Chief Executive Greg Island always good to

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Speaker 1: catch up with you. Thank you very much for your

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Speaker 1: time this morning.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome, Katie,