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Speaker 1: Doctor Cindy McCreary is a senior lecturer in the Department

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Speaker 1: of History at the University of Sydney. She is an

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Speaker 1: expert on all things royal family the history of royalty.

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Speaker 1: She joins us now, Hello, good morning, thank morning, thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining us. Now, there is of course so

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Speaker 1: much to consider in the time ahead, but the immediate

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Speaker 1: I mean that's so many things that will change, like passports, money, anthems,

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Speaker 1: all of that sort of thing. But in the immediate future,

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Speaker 1: what is the protocol that happens now for the coming days?

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Speaker 2: Right, So I guess the first thing to remind people

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Speaker 2: and reassure people is that this has all been very

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Speaker 2: well planned. We know that, in fact, the government in

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Speaker 2: the UK has been planning this operation London Bridge for

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Speaker 2: many years, because of course the death of a monarch

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Speaker 2: is not an iss but a when. So what happens

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Speaker 2: next has actually already been decided, It's been rehearsed, and

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Speaker 2: so it will probably look as if it's quite seamless.

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Speaker 2: And that's very deliberate because of course this is intended

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Speaker 2: to reach assure people that there is continuity. As sad

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Speaker 2: as people will be with the death of Queen Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: We have to remember, you know that very important phrase.

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Speaker 2: The queen is dead, long lived the Queen, or in

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Speaker 2: this case, long live the king. As soon as the

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Speaker 2: queen passed away, the new monarch, who we know as Charles,

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Speaker 2: took that role on. Now, whether you know, there's will

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Speaker 2: be quite a delay a time before he's formerly crowned,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's likely. I don't think that will

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Speaker 2: happen immediately. It doesn't matter. He is automatically the monarch.

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Speaker 2: It is a seamless transition. So in the next few

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Speaker 2: days we'll see events that have been planned, like the

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Speaker 2: removal of the Queen's casket, her removal on a train

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Speaker 2: back to London. She'll lie in state, as we know,

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Speaker 2: at Westminster Hall. There will be a funeral service in

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Speaker 2: about two weeks time at Westminster Abbey before the burial,

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Speaker 2: which take place not at Westminster Abbey but at Saint

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Speaker 2: George's Chapel, Windsor, which is the sort of the usual

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Speaker 2: place that members of the royal family, certainly in recent

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Speaker 2: decades have been there. And the queen will join her

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Speaker 2: late husband Philip in the vault at Saint George's Chaplain, Windsor.

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Speaker 3: Cindy with what you're you know, your lecturer there at

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Speaker 3: the University of Sydney, as Lisa's mentioned there, And how

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Speaker 3: did you feel when you heard the news, because it

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Speaker 3: does feel like a shock, even though you know it's

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Speaker 3: coming eventually, it does feel like a shock.

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Speaker 2: And I was as surprised as anyone. I was reflecting

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Speaker 2: on the fact that, of course, just two days ago

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Speaker 2: we saw photographs of the Queen smiling at our moral

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Speaker 2: and of course she welcomed and formerly kissed hands as

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Speaker 2: we say, with the new British Prime Minister of Liz Truss.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's remarkable, but perhaps not at all

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Speaker 2: actually that surprising, given what we know about Elizabeth that

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Speaker 2: to the very end of her life, till two days

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Speaker 2: before her death, she was doing her duty. And I

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Speaker 2: think that is absolutely consistent with the way that she

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Speaker 2: has rained since she first came to the throne in

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Speaker 2: nineteen fifty two. And you know, who knows what kind

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Speaker 2: of core of energy and strength she had to draw

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Speaker 2: upon in those last few days. But you know, I

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Speaker 2: think most people would agree that there was no well

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Speaker 2: to me anyway for knowledge. When she is meeting Liz Trouss.

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Speaker 3: At the end was so near, so stowing to the

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Speaker 3: end absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Because we've not had a change in most of our lifetime.

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Speaker 1: You have to be over seventy you know what happened

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Speaker 1: to you know the last time. There are a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that will change, things like money will change,

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Speaker 1: the anthem will change up, stamps and passports will have

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Speaker 1: to be updated. Will that How quickly does that kind

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Speaker 1: of thing happen?

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Speaker 2: Yes? So again, that has all been well planned in advance,

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Speaker 2: and there will be a timetable. It won't happen overnight.

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Speaker 2: You won't wake up tomorrow morning and find that your

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Speaker 2: coins no longer have the Queen on them. That's a

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Speaker 2: process at takes time. But let's be clear that the

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Speaker 2: Mint in Australia, as elsewhere in Commonwealth realms, has been

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Speaker 2: planning for this, and Charles will have had his portrait

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Speaker 2: taken and there will be casts and if you like,

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Speaker 2: models already in place for new coinage and stamps, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: So this will take place at different points. I can't

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Speaker 2: give you a precise timetable it will roll out, and

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Speaker 2: of course the current currency will still be legal tender,

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Speaker 2: but it will happen in the next months and years ahead.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I could you imagine how many around Cindy, around

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Speaker 3: the Commonwealth there are buildings, official buildings, even clubs the

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Speaker 3: like of clubs and that that have portrait, Yeah, that

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Speaker 3: have a portrait of the queen on the wall. There

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Speaker 3: are absolutely hundreds of thousands, wren't they Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: And I think that the renaming also will be partial.

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Speaker 2: In other words, there will be things that will be

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Speaker 2: unthinking of hospitals particular and things like that that will

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Speaker 2: maintain her name. I don't think that just because there's

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Speaker 2: a new monarch doesn't mean that old names are all replaced.

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Speaker 2: But it will be a lengthy and hugely extensive process,

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Speaker 2: as you've just suggested.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the wider picture is fascinating and huge, but for today,

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Speaker 1: of course we're just remember the queen. Yes, but Cindy,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: It's a great pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Thank you doctor Cindy McCreery from the University of Sydney.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 3: It's nice to get the official word on the protocol.

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Speaker 1: It is a fascinating subject just in the royal family.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Just ask anyone who's watched the Crown.

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Speaker 3: I learned so much through the Crown.

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Speaker 1: Please sometimes people think it's a documentary.

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Speaker 3: Would know half of what's indyse Yeah,