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Speaker 1: Dumb mission with Join and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: Sublime to the ridiculous. The images of people in Afghanistan

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Speaker 2: as the Taliban take back control of the country. People

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Speaker 2: clinging to the fuselage.

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Speaker 1: Of the plane that's just and dying, thinking.

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Speaker 2: That what good is going to be standing on the

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Speaker 2: top of a plane.

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Speaker 1: But that's their desperation to leave. They're terrified of the

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Speaker 1: Taliban coming back.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden has said that the world he didn't want

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Speaker 2: to mislead the American people by claiming that just a

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Speaker 2: little more time in Afghanistan would make a difference. People

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Speaker 2: have said if Donald Trump was there, this wouldn't have happened,

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Speaker 2: which I think is odd.

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Speaker 1: Could he signed the papers to leave?

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Speaker 2: And also when he was in charge of his own

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Speaker 2: country that was set on fire, So I don't know

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Speaker 2: if he would have done so much to Afghanistan. But

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Speaker 2: what can you do about Afghanistan? They've always been like this,

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Speaker 2: the Taliban. You're dealing with an ancient religion, a draconian

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Speaker 2: religion that is trying to fit itself in the twentieth

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Speaker 2: first century. It's never going to work out.

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Speaker 1: I feel the people of Afghanistan. My heart just goes

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Speaker 1: out to them. Just what a tough time they've had

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Speaker 1: for the last twenty years. We're come out to the

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Speaker 1: twentieth anniversary of September eleven. America initially went in there

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Speaker 1: because they thought they're harboring terrorists, they're trying to find

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Speaker 1: a summer bin laden. Since then, whether they set out

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Speaker 1: to do it or not, they have said they have

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Speaker 1: been democracy building, they've been economy building, they've been forwarding

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Speaker 1: the rights of women. They have played a giant role

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Speaker 1: in trying to change Afghanistan. And so they can't now

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Speaker 1: just say oh, we're going and the Taliban comes back

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Speaker 1: in and sorry, everybody. What a mess they these The

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Speaker 1: poor Afghanis think, well, who's going to look out for us?

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Speaker 1: I've heard particularly Afghany women say so. The West pretends

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Speaker 1: that it cares about us, but it's all bs. Who's

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Speaker 1: going to look after us? Now? They're absolutely terrible.

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Speaker 2: How long should America stay there for? And to America

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Speaker 2: have to be the world police? Why can't they Afghani

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Speaker 2: sort this out themselves?

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Speaker 1: Well that's the thing too, is that I heard a

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Speaker 1: podcast this morning, The Daily, which is a New York

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Speaker 1: Times podcast, and they were saying that what has happened

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Speaker 1: is that they've misjudged how quickly the Taliban came back in.

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Speaker 1: It could never be inevitably, it wasn't going to be

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Speaker 1: a clean leaving, but they misjudged how quickly the Taliban

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Speaker 1: came back in. They misjudged how up to speed and

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Speaker 1: how enthusiastic the Afghani military would be.

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Speaker 2: Well the game, you military, So the American military have

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Speaker 2: been training him for twenty years years and our Australian

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Speaker 2: troops have been training them as well, and they outnumbered

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Speaker 2: the Taliban, what was it ten to one? So what

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Speaker 2: happened there.

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Speaker 1: That's what will have to be investigated as well as

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Speaker 1: to how this system just fell apart. But for those

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Speaker 1: individuals in there, And as you say, what's the alternative,

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Speaker 1: is it colonialism? Is that the coalition runs runs it forever.

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Speaker 1: That can't be right either. But this leaving has left

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Speaker 1: us twenty years later, exactly where we started and those poor,

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Speaker 1: poor people, and there are calls for Australia. This is

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Speaker 1: what Australians can do. You know, after the fall of

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Speaker 1: Saigon as it was known then, we accepted. Australia accepted

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Speaker 1: sixty thousand Vietnamese refugees that's a very proud legacy of

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Speaker 1: Matthew Matthew, of Malcolm Fraser. What will our legacy be here?

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Speaker 1: What can we do to help the people who are

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Speaker 1: left behind in Afghanistan who very often have helped Australian troops, interpreters,

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Speaker 1: support people, people who are just desperate to get out.

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Speaker 1: We have. So it's been suggested we can take twenty thousand,

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Speaker 1: twenty thousand visas for those most at risk from the Taliban.

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Speaker 1: We did this for the people fleeing Syria. Canada's doing this.

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Speaker 1: Now this very weak for the people fleeing Afghanistan. We

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Speaker 1: could grant permanent protection to all people from Afghanistan on

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Speaker 1: Australian soil on their temporary visas they don't have a

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Speaker 1: place to go back to. We could actually make this

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Speaker 1: a lot easier for people. That's the thing we can

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Speaker 1: do because just watching it is heartbreaking.

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Speaker 2: The Taliban, and I was just reading about this, they're

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Speaker 2: different to al Qaeda. Al Kaida was like an extreme

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Speaker 2: version of the Taliban. So you got Taliban, so they're like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's the Taliban. Then al Kaida they're like nuts and

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Speaker 2: Isis is another extreme version of that. So the Taliban leader.

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Speaker 2: And obviously if you're a woman or you're a minority

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Speaker 2: over there in Afghanistan, you'd have a bit to worry

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Speaker 2: about the Taliban regaining power. This is what the Taliban

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Speaker 2: boss said.

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Speaker 3: Women would be afforded all their rights, whether it is

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Speaker 3: in work or other activities, because women are a key

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Speaker 3: part of society. We are guaranteeing all their rights within

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Speaker 3: the limits of his life.

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Speaker 2: Within the limits of Islam.

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Speaker 1: It's terrifying. And who's going to hold them to that?

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Speaker 2: And then you see the Taliban driving around in the

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Speaker 2: dodging cap. That's surreal. I also went on to say.

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Speaker 1: This king in the castle, King in the castle, have

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Speaker 1: a chair.

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Speaker 3: I have a chair.

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Speaker 2: Oh go do this king in the castle.

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Speaker 1: I think it was boring. Who can tell Jonesy and

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Speaker 1: Amanda's