1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: As we know over the weekend, well police have condemned 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: continued attacks on emergency responders after three officers were allegedly 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: kicked in the stomach, the head and I believe Pelton 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: with objects over the course of the weekend. Now my 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: understanding is that there were three officers who were assaulted 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: across two separate incidents, one in Malden and I believe 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: one was across the WA border where Territory police were assisting. 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: Now joining me in. 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: The studio is the Police Association President Paul McHugh. 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Paul. 11 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 3: Morning Katy Paul. 12 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: Another terrible situation where you and I are talking yet 13 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: again about police officers being assaulted. I understand that one 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: twenty eight year old woman was alleged to have attacked 15 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: two officers in what's been described as a dramatic arrest 16 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: in Malden. 17 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: Can you tell us what happened? 18 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, obviously another day, another several assaults on police 19 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 3: and we do talk about this quite regularly, disappointingly, but yeah, 20 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 3: over the weekend there was a terrible assault in Moulden 21 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 3: suburb of Palmerston here in Darwin, and you know, two 22 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 3: police were attacked and obviously a pretty serious incident where 23 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 3: officers were horrifically attacked. And we're not just talking about 24 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 3: laying a hand on someone gently. We're talking about a 25 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 3: vicious assault on officers and violently that particular person when 26 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 3: they were trying to be arrested, violently kicking out and 27 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 3: resulting in an officer being kicked to the head multiple 28 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 3: times and another officer sadly suffering laceration to the face 29 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 3: from requiring you know, some medical assistance on that occasion. 30 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 3: So pretty serious. 31 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: Assault, are they okay? 32 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, we've had representatives reach out. Obviously, they've got 33 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 3: a great support network in the Palmerston area and the 34 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 3: supervisors and the senior police that managed that area do 35 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 3: a great job, and you know, they've obviously would have 36 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: been taken care of those officers in that pretty pretty 37 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 3: serious situation. 38 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: So I've got to ask, how do you go back 39 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: to work after something like this happens? If you get 40 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: kicked in the head multiple times when you go out 41 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: to arrest someone, how do you go back to work? 42 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it's tough. I mean, we've got some extremely 43 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 3: resilient members of the police force, thankfully, but you know, 44 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: time and time again, if they're going to cop an assault 45 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 3: are such serious nature and it happens on multiple occasions, 46 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: we know it does through our own research. Eventually it 47 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 3: takes its toll and eventually those officers will need time 48 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 3: off to recover, either physically or mentally. 49 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: We know as well that there was a kin Tour 50 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: officer as I understand it, who was arresting a thirty 51 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: year old man just over the border when he was 52 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,559 Speaker 1: when this bloke kicked her in the stomach. 53 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, Kintour is one of our cross jurisdictional police 54 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: stations where we have West Australian Police working with NT 55 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 3: Police and they help each other out regularly. And again 56 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 3: another serious assault kicking our NT Police officer in the stomach, 57 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 3: and you know, another serious event. One too many we 58 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 3: keep talking about. 59 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: Do we have any idea how many police officers have 60 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: been assaulted on the job this year? Now? 61 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 3: Look, y're on year averages around two hundred and fifty 62 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 3: assaults per year. That's over a five year period. We 63 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: know there's been a spike in the last couple of months. 64 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 3: We know, and it's not just one a day. We're 65 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: having several a day, and we know there's barely a 66 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 3: day goes by in the court list, whether it be 67 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: here or our Springs or in other parts of the 68 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 3: territory where somebody's not fronting up about an assault on police. 69 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 3: And that's terrible. 70 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: What do we need to do here, because honestly, you 71 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: and I have spoken about this on so many occasions. 72 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: What do we need to do because whatever is happening 73 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: right now is not working. 74 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 3: It's not and obviously police, you know, they're out there 75 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 3: picking up the pieces for the government every single day, 76 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: and every time something goes pair shaped, it's the police 77 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: generally responding. And then obviously the flow on effects to 78 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 3: our medical and other frontline workers. And you know, the 79 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 3: government committed to a working group in relation to reviewing 80 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: penalties on assaults on frontline workers. They committed to that 81 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 3: at our conference last year in August. We had a 82 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 3: meeting in September where you know there was supposed to 83 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: be fortnightly meetings. There's been no other meeting since, because you. 84 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: Want, I spoke about this just a few weeks ago 85 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: as well. 86 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 3: Nothing one meeting, no follow up, So that tells me 87 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 3: there's no commitment there at all to change the legislation. 88 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 3: To protect our frontline. Poper. 89 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 2: I'm going to be really honest this morning. 90 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: I feel as though we've got a situation in the 91 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: Northern Territory at the moment where every time things are 92 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: not going well, whether we're talking about the issues of 93 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: alcohol in the community, when we're talking about, you know, 94 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: the issues with crime that we're seeing around the Northern 95 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: Territory community, the police are the first people that are 96 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: called upon to try and clean those issues up. Now 97 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: fair enough, you know, we know that the job of 98 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police is to serve and protect. We 99 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: all understand that, but some of what is going on 100 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: at the moment, it does not seem as though we've 101 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: got enough police to be dealing with all of these issues. 102 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 3: No, far too often, obviously, you know, p officon often 103 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 3: the front line and the only line protecting the negativity 104 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 3: in the community and the community itself. And often it's 105 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 3: the police that are left there when everyone else has 106 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 3: gone and to deal with this mess. And you know, 107 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 3: if we're not protecting them, then what on earth are 108 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: we doing? And you're right, we continually receive complaints to 109 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 3: our office around resourcing. We know the Minister continually says 110 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 3: we've got more police than ever before, the budgets greater 111 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 3: than ever before, but the requirements on our police have 112 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 3: never been greater. There's clearly not enough. We know there 113 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 3: are times in our remote communities, for example, where members 114 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 3: are working upwards of sixty to seventy hours over time 115 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: in a fortnight that's on top of their regular eighty hours. 116 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 3: And we know there are times here in town, in 117 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 3: Darwin and so forth where there's only one van available 118 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: to respond to jobs on the road in an eight 119 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 3: hour shift, and that's not enough. 120 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: So there's two issues here that I want to find 121 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: out a bit more about. So over time in one week, 122 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: how many extra hours? 123 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 3: So in a fortnightly period police work eighty hours, that's 124 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 3: their rostered hours, and there are times when there's on 125 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 3: top of that eighty hours they're working somewhere between sixty 126 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: and seventy over time hours. So you're talking about newly 127 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 3: doing a double shift every shift to make ends meet 128 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 3: in some of these remote areas. That is completely unsustainable 129 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 3: and unhealthy. 130 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: It is well, and it makes it really difficult for 131 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: them to be able to do their jobs properly. 132 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: I would assume as well. 133 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 3: It does because ultimately you can do that for a 134 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 3: very short time. Long term you just can't. 135 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: Well, we get a lot of people contact us here 136 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: at the station now. People are really supportive of the 137 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,239 Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police so feel that they do a really 138 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: good job, but they do not feel that there are 139 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: enough patrols out on the roads. We have one person 140 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: getting contact and say it seems like security guards are 141 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: still being left to patrol the CBD. We know that 142 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police had announced it they were going 143 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: to have those officers back doing those cotrols, but do 144 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: we have enough patrols like going through places like the CBD. 145 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: No. 146 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 3: No, Look, ultimately it's not just the CBD. It's across 147 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 3: the board we know, and it's not through any fold 148 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: of our supervisors. Our senior police are doing all they 149 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: can to try and find enough people to put in 150 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: these patrols. Were just simply the expectations on police in 151 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two are far greater than just a couple 152 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 3: of years ago. We know we've gone through the COVID 153 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: period and we know police were very much at the 154 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 3: forefront of that, but the expectations on police out there 155 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: on the front line are far greater than ever before. 156 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: What's changed are they what expectations have changed. 157 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 3: It's in relation to obviously the requirements to attend a 158 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 3: particular job, you know, the requirements on attending every single 159 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 3: job that comes in over the phone, you know. And 160 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 3: it's our poor police out there that are attending these 161 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 3: jobs sometimes twenty four to forty eight hours after they 162 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 3: come in and they're copying it from the public. It's 163 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 3: those poor General duties officers or the first responders that 164 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: turn up and they're copying it and it's unfair and 165 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 3: the government need to understand that this is what they're 166 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 3: putting up with and the government are responsible. They are 167 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: the ones that need to put more bodies on the beat. 168 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 3: And you know, it can only be done through an investment, 169 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 3: you know, to assist the commissioner put enough patrols on 170 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 3: the road. And it's as simple as that. 171 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: Well, you know, we spoke to the Police Minister last 172 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: week and she had said that there's going to be 173 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: some announcements in coming days or in the very near 174 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: future when it comes to the real issues that we're 175 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: seeing around Darwin at the moment, I know we're seeing 176 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: it in Alice springs in our major town centers. When 177 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: it comes to crime, alcohol issues, domestic violence. You know 178 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: it's as clear as day for anybody when you walk 179 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: down the street at the moment. 180 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: But what do we. 181 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: Need to do to assist police to be able to 182 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: do their jobs? And I know that it's not police 183 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: aligned because we've heard this from our Northern Territory police 184 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: that it's got to be an effort where all agencies 185 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: are involved. But from your perspective, you know what should 186 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: or what could the Northern Territory government be announcing right 187 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: now to try and help. 188 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 3: There needs to be a far greater focus on roles 189 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 3: that can be undertaken by agencies other than police. Far 190 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 3: too often the police are required to do all and 191 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 3: everything after hours a lot of other agencies close for 192 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 3: the night. We are not living in a society where 193 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 3: we can just rely on police and those short police numbers. 194 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 3: We have, the small police numbers we have to do 195 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: everything between the hours of four pm and eight am 196 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 3: the next day. There has to be a far greater 197 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: focus on other agencies and other ngngos as well to 198 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 3: see what investment can be put into that into those 199 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 3: fields to ease some of the pressure on what police 200 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 3: are expected to do every single day because they just 201 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: simply can't keep up. 202 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: Paul, Before I let you go, we are going to 203 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: be speaking a little bit more about alcohol and the 204 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: potential for takeaway alcohol to return to four hundred and 205 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: thirty community living areas around the Northern Territory. So essentially 206 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: in some communities, what we could see is take away 207 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: alcohol back in those communities, you know from the outset, 208 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: I guess you know, if you're looking at it and missay, 209 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: if it's community lead, if the women in those communities 210 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: feel safe having a limited amount of alcohol in them, 211 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: then should it be allowed. But then on the other 212 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: side of the fence, you think, well, hang on a second, 213 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: are we going to see a situation where there's not 214 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: enough police, there's not enough resources if we do see issues, 215 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: what's your take? 216 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, it's you know a lot of feedback coming 217 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: in from our members in relation to their concerns on this, 218 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 3: and you know, we're not saying it shouldn't happen, but 219 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 3: there needs to be a full and proper consultation process 220 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: take place. We don't want to go back to those 221 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 3: years where there was alcohol flowing freely throughout the community. 222 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 3: We know you're only going to look at the Roylar 223 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 3: review from twenty seven A, the recommendations out of that, 224 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 3: the research done on that. We know alcohol related harm 225 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 3: is enormous here in the NT and you know, we 226 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 3: raise those concerns a couple of weeks ago publicly around 227 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 3: the changes to this legislation coming in very soon, and 228 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 3: we support those other concerns of agencies that have raised 229 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 3: the similar concerns around the rush process we're seeing here 230 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 3: without consultation. 231 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: So has there been any consultation because this legislation is 232 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: it being introduced or meant to pass in May? 233 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's you know, obviously the stronger Futures legislation 234 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 3: is ceasing come you know, a couple of months time, 235 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: and you know, so that's coming in. We've seen the 236 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 3: ministers outline that said, well, you know it's coming in, 237 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 3: so police need to be ready. Well, the police are 238 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 3: quite concerned, very concerned, as are many other agencies such 239 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 3: as am SANT and other organizations, and rightly so, we 240 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 3: don't have enough police to deal with the fallout that 241 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 3: may come as a result of this. 242 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: Well, Paul Mitcheu, we are going to be catching up 243 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: with the CEO of St. John Patterson in just a 244 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: couple of minutes. We always appreciate your time. Thanks for 245 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: popping into the studio this morning. 246 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, thank you.