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Speaker 1: It's time for the week that was.

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Speaker 2: And in the studio this morning, we've got head of

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Speaker 2: News at the NT News, Gary Shipway.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, morning, Katy.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show.

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Speaker 2: We've got the Minister for Youth, Seniors, People, Sport and Culture,

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Speaker 2: Jensen Charles, Good morning, Jensen.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Good to have you in the studio. And then of

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Speaker 2: course we have got the opposition leader Selena you bye.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Selena.

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Speaker 5: Good morning Katie, and shout out to the ktown. I

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Speaker 5: hope everyone's staying cool.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say forty degrees. I mean it's warm

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Speaker 2: for us thirty five in Darwin, but forty degrees it's

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Speaker 2: going to be a scorcher. It's definitely not the dry

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Speaker 2: season anymore.

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Speaker 6: Is it good swimming weather? Is it is?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 2: There's a lot happening. I say that every week. But

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Speaker 2: we have learned overnight that the Northern Territory Police report

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Speaker 2: has come through, so former Northern Territory Police Commissioner Michael

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Speaker 2: Murphy has been cleared of any legal wrongdoing over a

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Speaker 2: series of senior appointments made during his time in charge. Now,

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Speaker 2: as we know this review was ordered by the Chief

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Speaker 2: Minister Leofanocchiaro. It looked into and was mainly sort of

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Speaker 2: put together to look into the twenty eight promotions made

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Speaker 2: under Michael Murphy's leadership, and the report, which was led

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Speaker 2: by Acting Justice Alan Blow, found all appointees were suitably

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Speaker 2: qualified and that Murphy did not act unlawfully. However, it

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Speaker 2: has raised serious concerns about the current promotions process. Justice

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Speaker 2: Blow described the system as outdated and open to perceived favoritism,

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Speaker 2: bias and unmanaged conflicts of interest. So the review sets

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Speaker 2: out six recommendations, including that police introduced compulsory conflict of

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Speaker 2: interest forms for those involved in selection processes. He also

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Speaker 2: recommended a major overhaul, including using external recruitment experts for

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Speaker 2: senior roles, to restore trust in how police leaders are chosen. Now,

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Speaker 2: as we know, Michael Murphy's contract was terminal earlier this

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Speaker 2: year after the IKAC found that he'd failed to properly

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Speaker 2: manage a conflict of interest when promoting a close friend. Now,

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Speaker 2: while that finding led to political pressure, it stopped short

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Speaker 2: of declaring his actions illegal. And I guess we sort

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Speaker 2: of you know, this was more looking into, like I

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Speaker 2: touched on those other appointments, those other appointments that had

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Speaker 2: happened under his leadership. I guess we've all sort of

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Speaker 2: had a few hours to have a bit of a

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Speaker 2: look through what's been released. My understanding is that that

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Speaker 2: full report is expected to be tabled in Parliament later

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Speaker 2: this month. But I've got to tell you, you know, some

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Speaker 2: of this stuff when it comes to conflict of interest,

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Speaker 2: I'm sort of surprised that there aren't more stringent processes.

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Speaker 1: Already in place.

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Speaker 2: I mean, for you Jensen, as a minister, do you

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Speaker 2: that we're not seeing any conflicts.

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Speaker 4: Thanks goodness. The one thing that specifically mentioned in the

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Speaker 4: report is it on when it comes to the police

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Speaker 4: recruitment that is not subject to the public similar to

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Speaker 4: the public service or the OCP things in place, and

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Speaker 4: it clearly shows and I think there are recommendations for

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Speaker 4: the government to consider, and now it's a time for

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Speaker 4: the government to go through the recommendations and come back

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Speaker 4: to the people and saying about like a thing, how

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Speaker 4: we want to change this. And you're only clearly given

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Speaker 4: like a clear outline on how the enquiry has happened,

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Speaker 4: and they just need to add that like this was

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Speaker 4: something asked by the Anti Police Association and that's when

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Speaker 4: the Chief Minister asks Justice Blow to do this inquiry.

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Speaker 4: And we got six recommendations in front of us. And

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Speaker 4: also it's clearly shows about like the way some significant

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Speaker 4: changes that need to happen in the police recruitment process

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Speaker 4: and especially when it comes to the conflict.

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Speaker 2: I mean does the government plan to actually implement these

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Speaker 2: six recommendations or is there a bit of time needed

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Speaker 2: to go through them all.

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Speaker 4: So the report was received by the Acting Chief Minister,

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Speaker 4: yes today and then put it out within a few

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Speaker 4: hours of him receiving the report. So it's just within

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Speaker 4: the government has to go through the recommendations and again

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Speaker 4: like look onto other aspects that's going to be looked

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you make of it? Selena? It

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Speaker 1: obviously needed to happen.

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Speaker 2: We needed to make sure that there is this confidence

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Speaker 2: filled with people who actually deserve them. We know that

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Speaker 2: the current acting Commissioner Martin Doll had previously rejected calls

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Speaker 2: to revisit all past appointments, including his own, Alan Blow,

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Speaker 2: saying the qualifications and experience of those appointed to senior

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Kaie, I think this highlights you know, I always

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Speaker 5: say the territory is connected by two degrees of separation,

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Speaker 5: not six. So when it comes to appointments, and particularly

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Speaker 5: high level appointments and in the public service, you know,

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Speaker 5: there's a chance that if you don't know someone, someone

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Speaker 6: So that needs to be managed. Here in the.

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Speaker 5: Territory a small jurisdiction, very close knit community, very connected community.

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Speaker 5: So when it comes to those leadership roles, those executive

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Speaker 5: with police, it does need to be managed.

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Speaker 6: So I'll be interested.

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Speaker 5: I really do hope the COLP government does their work

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Speaker 5: quickly when they look at reviewing these recommendations. I'm doing

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Speaker 5: a bit of homework today fresh back from leave Katie,

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Speaker 5: to look at that report and what's been publicly released.

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Speaker 6: Obviously, if there's.

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Speaker 5: More to come in Parliament in the next couple of weeks,

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Speaker 5: we'll be able to be privy to make full comment

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Speaker 5: on that when we get some more information. But when

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Speaker 5: it comes to providing certainty to police, I know this

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Speaker 5: has been unfortunately a huge morale issue, a big cloud

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Speaker 5: over police around how this is managed. But then we've

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Speaker 5: got so many of those executive roles a leadership in

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Speaker 5: the seal people put their skates on and actually get

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Speaker 5: some appointments going provide some certainty in the leadership for

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Speaker 5: and not feel like they're not being supported in those

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Speaker 5: full time roles. A lot of them are acting at

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Speaker 5: the moment, and it's not to diminish the great work

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Speaker 5: police do want to see that certainty and we hope

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think what the report does show is that

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Speaker 3: and the system of recruitment under which the former Commissioner

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Speaker 3: that that system has existed with previous police commissioners. So

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Speaker 3: it's clear that you can't sit on a panel if

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Speaker 3: someone who's you're interviewing is a close friend. I mean,

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Speaker 6: And I think this report is.

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Speaker 3: Confirmed that that system needs change. I mean there were

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Speaker 3: twenty eight appointments, and when you read more into that report, yes,

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Speaker 3: the commission couldn't determine whether or not they Yes, as

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Speaker 3: far as I could see, they will qualify. But he

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Speaker 3: couldn't determine that the other people more qualifying. So the

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Speaker 3: whole the whole system needs an overhaul. And saying it

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Speaker 3: this probably took place over this recruitment process under previous commissioner.

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Speaker 3: So I think with Murphy, though his fate was sealed

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Speaker 3: when the police union said they lost confidence the rank

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, to lead the Northern Territory Police Force, you absolutely

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Speaker 2: need the confidence of those members you know, look, I

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Speaker 2: think it's going to be really interesting, I guess to

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Speaker 2: see what plays out next, just how quickly the Northern

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Speaker 2: Territory government does act on these recommendations. And as you

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Speaker 2: touched on there as well, selenas some of those acting positions,

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Speaker 2: and we know that Martin Dole is sitting in there

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Speaker 2: as the Northern Territory Police Commissioner at this point in time,

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Speaker 2: the acting Northern Territory Police Commissioner. I've got to say,

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Speaker 2: I do think things seemed to be from the outside

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Speaker 2: looking in, seemed to be running quite smoothly. But obviously,

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Speaker 2: you know, these different acting positions need to be filled

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Speaker 2: with permanent roles and it does need to happen fairly quickly,

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Speaker 2: and we need to make sure that, you know, the

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Speaker 2: Northern Territory Police are able to operate with the you know,

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Speaker 2: with the confidence in their leadership.

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Speaker 3: I think that's absolutely correct. And it's also not only

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Speaker 3: the police, but also the public has to have confidence

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Speaker 3: in their police force, because once you lose the trust

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Speaker 3: to the public, then you have a serious reputational problem.

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Speaker 3: So and it shows that people tend to be cynical

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Speaker 3: about police and unfairly unfairly because these guys work their

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, So you just need to add that when it

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Speaker 4: like many positions acting as well, especially when the recruitment

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Speaker 4: process was christened by the Association. So we need to

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Speaker 4: make sure like a thing we have done this report

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Speaker 4: considered the recommendation. So we've got like a full report

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Speaker 4: done by the Justice Blowner. So now we've got the

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Speaker 4: recommendations as well. So now it like the opportunity for

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Speaker 4: the Police Minister to go ahead and then work with

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Speaker 2: Done well, it's really the only way I think if

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Speaker 2: that recruitment process follows the recommendations that are made. If

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Speaker 2: the new recruitment process does follow the recommendations that are made,

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Speaker 2: you would think that that is really the only way

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Speaker 1: So time will tell.

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Speaker 2: As we've all agreed, I think it needs to happen

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Speaker 2: sooner rather than later. We can't be mucking around with

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Speaker 2: one more two week sitting.

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Speaker 1: Block, do we for this year? Maybe a little bit

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Speaker 1: one or two.

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Speaker 6: Double this month, can in October and a single in November.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So still a bit of time to go,

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Speaker 2: a bit of time to go now while we're still

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Speaker 2: sort of in the space of some of what we

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Speaker 2: are dealing with when it comes to well, I guess

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Speaker 2: it's a bit outside what we're dealing with from a

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Speaker 2: pol perspective, but we know that the OC spray well,

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Speaker 2: there's been continued discussion.

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Speaker 1: About it this week.

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Speaker 2: Last week, on the week that was, we'd spoken about

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Speaker 2: it following an incident that had occurred with a young

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Speaker 2: it from somewhere else unlawfully. Well, this week, a twenty

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Speaker 2: six year old woman was arrested after allegedly spraying a

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Speaker 2: outside a nightclub in the early hours of Sunday or

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Speaker 2: at that nightclub in the early hours of Sunday. Now

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Speaker 2: it happened on Sunday morning, just after four o'clock in

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Speaker 4: So, when it comes to the CLP government, the community's

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Speaker 4: And there was like around one thousand and Founder or

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Speaker 6: Okay, I mean, what do you make of it?

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Speaker 1: Gary? It's been an interesting one.

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Speaker 2: So well, look I went so far earlier in the

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Speaker 6: Are they meeting with the unions, Are they.

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Speaker 4: Okatye. So the report is table now, sorry that it's completed,

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Speaker 2: And will your decision then be made on your own

442
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Speaker 2: personal view or will it be made on the view

443
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Speaker 2: of your constituents And do you feel that other members

444
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Speaker 2: of the COLP government, how you know, will they be

445
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Speaker 2: doing the same.

446
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Speaker 4: So it's clear then even before the election that we

447
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Speaker 4: are merited clear that it's going to be a conscience

448
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Speaker 4: watch and that's going to be my watch on the

449
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Speaker 4: Parliament will be a view of the members of the

450
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Speaker 4: community that ampsinde.

451
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Speaker 3: And I think that's an important point for any politician.

452
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Speaker 3: You know, you've got to it's got to be based

453
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Speaker 3: on what you've got from your community. You can't just

454
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Speaker 3: go and make a decision on behalf of the community

455
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Speaker 3: without actually consulting them. But I think one of the

456
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Speaker 3: I like, I think the Constitutional Affairs Committe's done a

457
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Speaker 3: great job and it's been obviously bipartisan, but a couple

458
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Speaker 3: of things insiny you probably have something to say on

459
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Speaker 3: this is and which is good. I mean the change

460
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Speaker 3: embedding cultural safety as a guiding principle in the bad legislation,

461
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Speaker 3: that's really important. And then respecting a person's choice to

462
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Speaker 3: voluntary include other people in decision making about the end

463
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Speaker 3: of life choices. That's equally as important. And you've had

464
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Speaker 3: this week it's in international seniors. Ye we and they

465
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Speaker 3: prevent them. It's very much about dying well, and that's

466
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Speaker 3: important message from our seniors. There's a lot of debate

467
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Speaker 3: going out there, but certainly from an indigenous point of view,

468
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Speaker 3: that cultural aspect is so important that and it's going

469
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Speaker 3: to be obviously a job for you and other people

470
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Speaker 3: living in the remote areas to get out there and

471
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Speaker 3: communicate it. How hard is it out there? Are you

472
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Speaker 3: finding it's an easy job and not an easy job

473
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Speaker 3: to communicate this sort of message.

474
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Speaker 6: Well, it's definitely a sensitive manner. We know that.

475
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Speaker 5: And when we talk about what Territorians are missing out on,

476
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Speaker 5: ultimately it's the same right as every other Australian currently has.

477
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Speaker 5: Every other jurisdiction has voluntary assisted dying legislation. The Northern

478
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Speaker 5: Territory was the first in the world in nineteen ninety five.

479
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Speaker 5: That was taken away ninety ninety Sepry nineteen ninety seven

480
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Speaker 5: and we've been lagging. So why has it taken so long?

481
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Speaker 5: Obviously there was a band with the territory rights last

482
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Speaker 5: term when Labor was in government.

483
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Speaker 6: We fought really hard.

484
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Speaker 5: And a credit to the four federal members and there

485
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Speaker 5: was the former CLP Senator Sam McMahon who joined forces

486
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Speaker 5: with the three Labor federal members and really focused on

487
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Speaker 5: restoring territory rights for the Act and of course for

488
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Speaker 5: us in the Northern Territory.

489
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Speaker 6: That was the first big step.

490
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Speaker 5: I worked with the counterpart at the time, which was

491
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Speaker 5: Tara Chain from the Act, the Attorney General for Canberra

492
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Speaker 5: around supporting from the two territories, and I think that

493
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Speaker 5: was a really good first step to restoring territory rights

494
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Speaker 5: when it comes to voluntary assisted dying. Now you know

495
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Speaker 5: the government's undergone another process to tell us what we

496
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Speaker 5: already knew, which was, you know, territorians want that right,

497
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Speaker 5: they want that choice.

498
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Speaker 6: It'll be up.

499
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Speaker 5: It's a very sensitive manner, it needs to be dealt

500
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Speaker 5: with respect, but overwhelmingly Territorians are speaking about the choice

501
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Speaker 5: rather than not having a choice.

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Speaker 3: How have you found the having seen the review, You're

503
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Speaker 3: happy with the review.

504
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Speaker 5: I think the committee's done a fantastic job. Duran Young,

505
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Speaker 5: my deputy, has been on that and I've seen a

506
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Speaker 5: huge volume of work and you know Tanzla's the chair.

507
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Speaker 5: A huge volume of work in a very short amount

508
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Speaker 5: of time with limited resources. But I think you know

509
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Speaker 5: some of the quotes that you read out Gary, with

510
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Speaker 5: the capturing of some of those cultural elements, that's really important.

511
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Speaker 5: A third of the Northern Territory's population are Aboriginal territory

512
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Speaker 5: and so I think that really needs to be embedded

513
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Speaker 5: in whatever the draft legislation is that the CLP is

514
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Speaker 5: looking at our territory. Labor Opposition will be making sure

515
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Speaker 5: the government does keep its word and keep it to

516
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Speaker 5: account when it comes to delivering on this draft legislation.

517
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Speaker 5: And ultimately, as we know Katie, matters of life and

518
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Speaker 5: death in Parliament are considered as a conscience vote. So

519
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Speaker 5: we very much want to make sure that this is

520
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Speaker 5: a fulsome process that the government undertakes. It doesn't drag

521
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Speaker 5: its feet, Katie. We've got three more years left of

522
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Speaker 5: the CLP and government. We want to make sure that

523
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Speaker 5: they don't drag and lag and take their time and

524
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Speaker 5: fluff with this one.

525
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Speaker 6: You're important for territorials and politicians, and I.

526
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Speaker 2: Think sometimes people don't realize just how important it is

527
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Speaker 2: unless you've got a loved one who is dying, who

528
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Speaker 2: is suffering from a terminal illness. And I know that

529
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Speaker 2: advocates obviously say that the reforms are long overdue, but

530
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Speaker 2: I also know that there are opponents, including the Australian

531
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Speaker 2: Christian Lobby Group, who've labeled the proposal reckless. They're calling

532
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Speaker 2: for stronger investment in palliative care and mental health services instead. Now, look,

533
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Speaker 2: in my opinion, it is the right move.

534
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Speaker 1: It's a move for those.

535
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Speaker 2: Suffering from terminal illness. You know, you have to be

536
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Speaker 2: dying is let's be really blunt about it. You've got

537
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Speaker 2: to be suffering from terminal illness to have to access

538
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Speaker 2: voluntary assisted dying. So I would certainly encourage all of

539
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Speaker 2: our listeners to contact your local member. As we've discussed,

540
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Speaker 2: it is going to be a conscience vote. It is

541
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Speaker 2: going to be a vote that our local members are

542
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Speaker 2: going to have to get into Parliament and determine which

543
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Speaker 2: way they vote. And I think it's incredibly important that

544
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Speaker 2: each and every one of you listening this morning, if

545
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Speaker 2: it's something that you feel passionately about that you do indeed,

546
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Speaker 2: contact your local member and let them know why if

547
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Speaker 2: you have got a personal story where you've seen your

548
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Speaker 2: loved one suffer or you know, maybe you just want

549
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Speaker 2: them to have that choice.

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Speaker 1: Because I want to point out.

551
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Speaker 2: As well that our palliative care here in the Northern

552
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Speaker 2: Territory actually do an incredible job. To anybody who's you know,

553
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Speaker 2: who has been there when your loved one is dying,

554
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Speaker 2: you know that the palliative cares team do an incredible

555
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Speaker 2: job and they are caring at the most difficult time

556
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Speaker 2: of your life. They try to make it as pain

557
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Speaker 2: free as possible. But for some people they are suffering

558
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Speaker 2: to the point where they want that option. And who

559
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Speaker 2: am I to take that choice away from somebody who's dying,

560
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Speaker 2: is what I would say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's interesting also that in the recommendations there

562
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Speaker 3: is recommended NOLN charity government developed a penalative care strategy

563
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Speaker 3: so that answers the question for the Christian lobby. I

564
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Speaker 3: don't think it's reckless, that's just a fear mongering they did.

565
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Speaker 3: They do raise an important point, which is what we've

566
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Speaker 3: already touched on, is the cultural aspect, and I know

567
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Speaker 3: in ninety five, I was here in ninety five working

568
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Speaker 3: for the government those days and all part of that

569
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Speaker 3: whole process what took place, and that was that was

570
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Speaker 3: the most significant issue on the night to vote. It

571
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Speaker 3: was a major concern because of this this uncertainty in

572
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Speaker 3: the remote communities about you know, going to town and

573
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Speaker 3: you don't go back go home, you know. So that

574
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Speaker 3: was and that's the that's the that's the part that

575
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Speaker 3: I think there has to get through that messaging and

576
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Speaker 3: communication is so important because you know it is it

577
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Speaker 3: is important. These guys have done a great job.

578
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Speaker 4: So Kety, you just need to add that, like one

579
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Speaker 4: of the feedbacks that were to see was a board

580
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Speaker 4: like when it comes to the previous report, there is

581
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Speaker 4: not much consultation happened in the remote communities and that's

582
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Speaker 4: why we have done this. And I think the five

583
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Speaker 4: members of the committee, I'm sure like Tanzil will be

584
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Speaker 4: able to talk in detail when he's here, but they

585
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Speaker 4: have done a really good job and they make sure

586
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Speaker 4: like they've ended to the communities, listen to the people

587
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Speaker 4: and took the feedback back to the Parliament and we

588
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Speaker 4: will be able to debate on the report in the

589
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Speaker 4: next few days.

590
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Speaker 2: Well, look, we'll keep it very close on things. We're

591
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Speaker 2: going to take a really quick break. You are listening

592
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Speaker 2: to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

593
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Speaker 1: It is the week that was.

594
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Speaker 2: Well, you are listening to the week that was in

595
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Speaker 2: the studio this morning, we've got Selena Hubo, we've got

596
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Speaker 2: Jinsen Charles and we've got Gary Shipway. Now we've spoken

597
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Speaker 2: quite extensively this week on the show about the changes

598
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Speaker 2: when it comes to our first home buys or first

599
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Speaker 2: four first time buyers, I should say because from this

600
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Speaker 2: week it has become easier for Australians to buy their

601
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Speaker 2: first time So as of the first of October, major

602
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Speaker 2: changes to the federal first Home Guarantee scheme mean biers

603
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Speaker 2: no longer facing come caps and there are now unlimited

604
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Speaker 2: places available. But property price limits have been lifted in

605
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Speaker 2: some other states, but here.

606
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Speaker 1: In the Northern Territory.

607
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Speaker 2: So essentially you just need that five percent deposit without

608
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Speaker 2: paying lender's mortgage insurance is my understanding. But the government,

609
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Speaker 2: you know, I guess the federal government's doing what they

610
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Speaker 2: can to try to get people into their first homes.

611
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Speaker 2: But here in the Northern Territory. We spoke to experts,

612
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Speaker 2: property experts earlier this week as well as the Northern

613
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Speaker 2: Territory Property Council, local real estate agents and also brokers

614
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Speaker 2: about the fact that the price cap of six hundred

615
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars for Darwin is really making it difficult for

616
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Speaker 2: anybody to actually be able to access this scheme. We

617
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Speaker 2: know the Northern Territory governments now come out and they're

618
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Speaker 2: calling for it to be increased to eight hundred and

619
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Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars, in line with the average increase of

620
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Speaker 2: caps for other major capital cities. But I guess just

621
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Speaker 2: to give a little bit of context, earlier this week,

622
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Speaker 2: we had a bit of a look on real estate

623
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Speaker 2: dot com. Now, from what I saw earlier in the week,

624
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Speaker 2: and I spoke to Ruth Palmer from the Property Council

625
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Speaker 2: about this yesterday, there was about six standalone homes in

626
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Speaker 2: Darwin on real estate dot Com that fell under that

627
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Speaker 2: six hundred thousand dollars cap. So then when you look

628
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Speaker 2: at trying to get people into their first times, it

629
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Speaker 2: makes it really difficult when there's very little for them

630
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Speaker 2: to look at. Now, one of the other things that

631
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Speaker 2: Cotalities head of research Tim Lawler said to us on

632
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Speaker 2: the show yesterday, is you know, yes, there may be

633
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Speaker 2: units and you know units available that do fall under

634
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Speaker 2: that cap. But then the problem is for some people,

635
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Speaker 2: if you're purchasing a unit, for example, you may then

636
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Speaker 2: have to worry about, you know, about your ongoing costs

637
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Speaker 2: in terms of your body, corporate and that kind of thing.

638
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Speaker 2: So I do wonder whether it's it sort of seems

639
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Speaker 2: like it's a no brainer.

640
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Speaker 1: Do we lift it slightly?

641
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Speaker 3: I can't understand why Darwin is being disadvantaged against the

642
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Speaker 3: Oh I suppose I can. You know there's more votes

643
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Speaker 3: on the East Coast there is up here in Darwin,

644
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Speaker 3: so but you know, it's just wrong. This is wrong

645
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Speaker 3: that Darwin people. We want people to be able to

646
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Speaker 3: buy and live here and be incentivized to go live

647
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Speaker 3: on the East Coast because they can get a better

648
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Speaker 3: deal there. I mean we have the same we have

649
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Speaker 3: more disadvantaged here because of the remoteness. We want to

650
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Speaker 3: keep as many people here. We want people to come

651
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Speaker 3: and live here and choose this place to live. So

652
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Speaker 3: I just think it's wrong on so many levels. You know,

653
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Speaker 3: it's something, it's something Obviously our federal members have to.

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Speaker 1: Take yeah, and I'm not sure whether they will.

655
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Speaker 2: I don't know whether it is something that Luke Gosling

656
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Speaker 2: is on to. I know that certainly are the mortgage

657
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Speaker 2: broker that we spoke to earlier in the week, as

658
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Speaker 2: well as one of the real estate agents that we

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Speaker 2: spoke to probably about three weeks ago. They had said

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Speaker 2: that it was something that they were going to to

661
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Speaker 2: raise with Luke Gosling. I think it has also been

662
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: raised with the Northern Territory government. Now I know that

663
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: obviously a Northern Territory government doesn't have the capacity to

664
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: be able to change this, but you know, surely it's

665
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: something that we should all be advocating for so that

666
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: we can get more first time buyers into their first times.

667
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 4: Yes, we are advergetting for this, and we want that

668
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 4: threshold to be lifted to eight hundred and fifty thousand

669
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 4: dollars and that means like more people will be able

670
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 4: to include in the scheme. Because this is a wonderful

671
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 4: scheme that put forward by the federal government. But at

672
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 4: the same time, this clearly shows that they're forgottable the

673
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 4: Northern Territory once again. So that's what we want to

674
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 4: tend We want to make sure our territorians are part

675
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 4: of this. All this program comes for this country and

676
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 4: they need to be part of They should be able

677
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: to get onto this as well. And when it comes

678
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 4: to the first time buyers, so we are providing that

679
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 4: fifty dollars from the Northern Territory, so that's going to

680
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 4: really help with this process well. And once the cap

681
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 4: is lifted, I would say like I think the territory

682
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 4: will have like the best option for the first home

683
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 4: buyers and that will help to attract and build our population.

684
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 4: So well, that's one of the key priorities for the government.

685
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 5: Yeay, Katie, I think there definitely needs to be a

686
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 5: link around what are our short, medium and long term

687
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 5: solutions around housing in the Northern Territory for first homeowners

688
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 5: and for those who are investing here as well. What

689
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 5: we're seeing, you know, when there are changes around being

690
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 5: able to purchase an establish home through some of those

691
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 5: grant schemes, and when that's changed, that disadvantages Territorians who

692
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 5: may not have that big deposit to be able to

693
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 5: put on to a new home for a new build.

694
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 5: So there needs to be I guess that mix, and

695
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 5: I think some of those experts that you mentioned have

696
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 5: put together some of those proposals. I've seen in some

697
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 5: of their forward planning around almost a bit of a

698
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 5: master plan around housing for the Northern Territory, particularly led

699
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 5: by the Property Council. They're doing a huge volume of

700
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 5: work in this space. So is there a way that

701
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 5: you know, you can bring on more developers to have

702
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 5: a mix of social and affordable housing. So those key

703
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 5: workers who earn too much to be in public housing

704
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 5: but not enough to be able to access the private rental.

705
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 6: Market, how do we keep them here?

706
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 5: How do we make sure that we can give them

707
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 5: a leg up into the housing market to be able

708
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 5: to stay here, like we said, to keep that talent,

709
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 5: to be able to keep those.

710
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 6: Resources and those skills here in the territory.

711
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 5: So, you know, whilst that's one aspect what the federal

712
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 5: government's done being able to advocate for a higher cap,

713
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 5: you know that's probably something all of us can do, definitely,

714
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 5: but are there other processes in planning for that mix

715
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 5: of housing to be able to get people to not

716
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 5: just invest in the territory because we know that's very

717
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 5: popular at the moment, but territory to be able to

718
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 5: get a leg up in the housing market.

719
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: And that I was when I was speaking to a

720
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: mama has two children at adult children and the issue

721
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 3: raised this issue with me, and the issue there is

722
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 3: her children being a children be able to buy here

723
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: or move to towns or cans and buy there, you know.

724
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 3: So they're not talking about moving to Brisbane. They're talking

725
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: about and because they're housing in cans and Brisbane is

726
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 3: quite reasonable in terms of pricing. So that's that's the problem.

727
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: She wants to keep a children here, children to stay

728
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: and a children want to well.

729
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: And this is the thing.

730
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, that's what we all want, right, I mean, Selena,

731
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: is it something that you will speak to Luke Gosling

732
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: about or even I guess it is more Luke rather

733
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: than the Marion because we are talking more.

734
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: About the Darwin cap as well.

735
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: But is it something that you're going to take to

736
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: your federal counterparts.

737
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's something I'm very keen because there's other areas

738
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 5: where we've advocate advocated for that difference in I guess

739
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 5: treatment for the Northern Territory. When we talk about the

740
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 5: international student cap that was placed where the territory is

741
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 5: saying no, we want more international students through as the

742
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 5: East Coast are saying no. So we do need to

743
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 5: have that visibility of what's right for that diversity of

744
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 5: the territory.

745
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 6: And this is certainly an area that I'm keen to

746
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 6: talk to a federal matters.

747
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: I feel like it is just literally a situation here

748
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: where they're going off older figures, because if you look

749
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 2: sort of six months back, that medium price was probably

750
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: around about right when we were in a bit more

751
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: of a property slump. But now things have picked up

752
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 2: up and it does just seem as though we're maybe

753
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: going off older figures. So I don't know whether it's

754
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: a pretty simple sort of solution to go and have

755
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: a relook at some of those newer numbers and what

756
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: we might be able to do a bit differently.

757
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: And I think when you talk about the money that's

758
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 3: going to be expended by the federal government to change

759
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 3: it here, it's going to be a drop in the

760
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: ocean in terms of because about population size compared to

761
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 3: the East Coast, they're going to spend more money on

762
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: the East Coast they're going to spend here. I just

763
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: think it's something needs to be looked at.

764
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look, there is quite a bit to discuss

765
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: this morning. We're very fast running out of time. But

766
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: I want to also discuss the fact that the Larokid

767
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: Development Corporation have come out and said that they do

768
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: not support the Northern Territory Government's decision to change the

769
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: Northern Territory Aboriginal Sacred Sites Act of nineteen eighty nine

770
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: and its application to the proposed Waterfront Hotel eleven story development.

771
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: So the Larakia Development Corporation's prime objective, they say, is

772
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: to create economic opportunities for all Larakia people through the

773
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: creation and operation of sustainable business models and the maintenance

774
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: of the Larakia Development Trust. Now they are saying that

775
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: they want some genuine discussion and transparent engagement with the

776
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: Northern Territory Government, developers and Larakia custodians to ensure the

777
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: opportunities now and well into the future safeguard sacred sites

778
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 2: and cultural authority. Gary, I know that certainly the NT

779
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 2: News ran a fairly extensive story about this earlier in

780
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 2: the week.

781
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

782
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 3: I think I went back to when Eva Lawla announced

783
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: this back in twenty twenty two, and I mean she

784
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: was you know, Darwin needs this, and it seemed to

785
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 3: me by looking back that tracking back the Larichier Nation

786
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: people were quite happy with that development. I've seen photos

787
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 3: of them being part of the announcement with the Singaporean group.

788
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: So it was just seems strange to me that things

789
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 3: had changed in that time, because it seemed in twenty

790
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: two everything was quite happy and that the plans had

791
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 3: been released for that development and SLA you probably had

792
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 3: no better mean, you were part of that. I wasn't

793
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: a part of that, but I think what EVA said

794
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 3: was very very important. It was a recognition it was

795
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 3: exciting project. It's exciting development. But maybe you can explain

796
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: how things have changed in your view since when EVA

797
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: announced that.

798
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, Katie, it is something that our labor opposition team,

799
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 5: you know, we're very supportive of development and making sure

800
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 5: it is done in the right way. The processes that

801
00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 5: are undertaken do provide the community with that understanding, the

802
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 5: comfort that things are being done properly. The changes that

803
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 5: were made earlier in the year from the Celpea government

804
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 5: had limited time to be able to scrutinize, cut out

805
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 5: a lot of consultation and feedback, which is what our

806
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 5: big concern was, how do you make better laws for

807
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 5: the territory. You need to have the input from experts,

808
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 5: those who are affected by those laws to be able

809
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 5: to make something better in the territory when it comes

810
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 5: to law making. When it comes to the development at

811
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 5: the waterfront, I think there's been a very clear connection

812
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 5: to the changes that were made to that particular legislature,

813
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 5: the SAGA sites acted than all the territory by the

814
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 5: CELPA government and the changes for that certificate transfer which

815
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 5: the Abginal Area's Protection Authority has raised.

816
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: Those skills hotels I didn't change because I know that

817
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: when Ever announced it that it was like I'd had

818
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: her in speaking about it like that hadn't changed. So

819
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: is it more a concern I suppose with the act

820
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 2: changing or the actual development, do you reckon well?

821
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 5: I think that's something that I'm very keen to hear

822
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 5: with Jinson, because there's two big developments now that we're

823
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 5: talking about that have changed, the Arts Center and.

824
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 6: The gallery the State Square Gallery.

825
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 5: You know, that's changed midway through project and there's an

826
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 5: EI out around what that going to be used for

827
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 5: by the government. So I'd be keen to hear when

828
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 5: things are changing from a project that has first initiated

829
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 5: the actual processes it's undergone, to what is then going

830
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 5: to be delivered for territorians. I mean, there needs to

831
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 5: be some type of clear planning when it comes to Slough.

832
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: Like the only thing that changed with the actual hotel

833
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: development is the government because like the chair of the

834
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: Waterfront at the time was Richard Fijo. When it all

835
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 2: was signed off, then it was obviously announced by Evil

836
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 2: Aula and like my understanding, like I had seen you know,

837
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: like that even released. I thought some yeah, some photographs

838
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 2: of what it was going to look like, et cetera.

839
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: So the design was out there in twenty two and

840
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: now there's opposition. Here we are in twenty five after

841
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 3: being welcomed. Nigel Brown was there in the source Fijo, Richard,

842
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 3: So I just that was the thing that struck me,

843
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 3: you know, like what changed in the hotel. I can

844
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: see what you're saying about it.

845
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 6: Jipson's from government, so he could probably tell us.

846
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

847
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 4: No, I think like when we came to the government,

848
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 4: so we reformed the Sacredircit Sites Act to protect the

849
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 4: culture and provide certainty for business industry and for the

850
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 4: past list, and that's a move that we have done

851
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 4: because there was long process for each one of those projects.

852
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 4: For example, like when we're seeking about this one project,

853
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 4: we can see about like the current issues that'd been raised,

854
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 4: there was an approval given and or the new act

855
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 4: done was about like that approval as transferred, which is

856
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 4: the same project. And that clearly shows about if it

857
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 4: was the previous way that there was an old process.

858
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 4: Again about like going back to the consultation. So there

859
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 4: was all of those being done and it's been dealt with,

860
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 4: So why would we need to do that all again?

861
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: So did the current government change the height of the hotel?

862
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 2: Like were there significant you know, like were there significant

863
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: changes made with the developer?

864
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 4: From my understanding, there is not change when it comes

865
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 4: to the height or any of those just the proponents

866
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 4: have changed. And again like that's what I'm trying to

867
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 4: say about, like there was a process that was done

868
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 4: and it was done in full consultation, So why would

869
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 4: we need to repeat that all again because of like

870
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: a change in the proponent or a developer. And that's

871
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,959
Speaker 4: what we communicated back to the territory and sand said,

872
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 4: like we want to make sure that security has been

873
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 4: given to the proponent.

874
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: I mean, this is an Northern Territory government to play

875
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: Devil's advocate. Here is the Northern Territory government. You know,

876
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: did you guys change this legislation to be able to

877
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: push different developments through, whether you're talking about the waterfront

878
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: development or whether you're talking about other developments. Has that

879
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: legislation changed because you want to circumvent Aboriginal people and

880
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Speaker 2: you know the sacred sites that they hold very dear

881
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Speaker 2: and see is very valuable.

882
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 4: So when it comes to the investment decisions, one of

883
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 4: the things that proponents look is about like they need

884
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 4: to get things done in a timely manner. We always

885
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 4: hear about like the government projects that been dragged and

886
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 4: then cost double the amount of like initial project, and

887
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 4: that's what we don't want. And I think the proponents

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00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 4: will not invest in the territory if it's going to

889
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 4: be the same story. Because government has to make this announcement.

890
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Speaker 4: Because we've got like mini examples like you brought up

891
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Speaker 4: the art gallery. Initially it was like forty seven million dollars.

892
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 4: Now it's around like one forty three million dollars. So

893
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 4: the ship built it was like based on what I

894
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 4: heard from minstera Yanastay, it was like one hundred million initially.

895
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 4: Now it's more than eight dollars. Eight hundred million dollars.

896
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 4: So the private investors are not keen to entering do

897
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 4: that process and they will leave the territory. And that's

898
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Speaker 4: what we make sure that the certificates can be transferred

899
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Speaker 4: under the new act because there was an it's not

900
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Speaker 4: for the initial one. It's all about like the transferring

901
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 4: the certificate because that process was done initially and that

902
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 4: full consultation has been done, so it's been done. There

903
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 4: is a certificate issued by the upper Board, so we

904
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 4: gave the ability for the upper boat to transfer that

905
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 4: certificate rather than going the full process.

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Speaker 2: Look, we are gonna have to tag a very quick break.

907
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: That's pretty much it for us this morning. Carry ship by.

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00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Kry. Big shout out to all the Masters footballs

910
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 3: in town. It's been great to see them all here

911
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 3: and it's one dollars.

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Speaker 2: Coming into the It's been very busy around the place,

913
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Speaker 2: hasn't it been fantastic. I had friends at Rapid Recovery

914
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: yesterday and I think that they had quite a few

915
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: people in there having the ice barts and having the

916
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: you know, doing a bit of the recovery for your

917
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 2: body for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jinsent, thank you so much for your time today.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Katy. I just need to add that tomorrow and

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00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 4: not in the Tree is playing three finals against West

921
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 4: in Australia. Yeah rightful, Masters so tomorrow and men's forties

922
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 4: at eight thirty, women thirty five, nine fifty five and

923
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 4: men's thirty fives at eleven twenty. And a huge shot

924
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 4: or two member for Fanny Beit Laurie cio Yank for

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Speaker 4: representing India there for most.

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Speaker 2: I love stream, good stuff, good stuff and Selena you boy,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 6: Thank you Katie.

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Speaker 5: And just a reminder to everyone get your flu shot

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Speaker 5: if you haven't been vaccinated. We've had a lot of

931
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 5: people unfortunately big numbers. Doesn't feel like it's flu season

932
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 5: because it's getting warm, but this is a really opportune

933
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Speaker 5: time to get your vaccination if you haven't already.

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Speaker 1: For this very true.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all so much for your company this morning.

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Speaker 2: We will catch you again very soon.