WEBVTT - Where is Nedd Brockmann now?

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

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<v Speaker 1>Bungelung Cargoton woman from Gadigol Country. The Daily oz acknowledges

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<v Speaker 1>first peoples of these countries, both past and present.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>the twentieth of October. I'm Zara, I'm Sam Sam. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>back to the part. Thanks nice to be here here

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<v Speaker 2>for a short time. Not a good time because you're

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<v Speaker 2>off to the US.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm headed off to Washington, d C. Over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>Anthony Albanezi is landing in Washington early next week for

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<v Speaker 3>the state visit with President Joe Biden and I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to go and see what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>But for today's podcast, we are casting your minds back

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<v Speaker 2>a year ago this week to the moment that a

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<v Speaker 2>little known Sparky finished Erase the gripped Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>An electrician who had a big light bulb moment.

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<v Speaker 1>My idea of running from Perth to Bondie seems insurmountable.

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<v Speaker 4>Thousand kilometer journey across the stret.

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<v Speaker 3>Please welcome Ned Brockman. We wanted to sit down with

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<v Speaker 3>Ned Brockman to understand what happens to people who are

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<v Speaker 3>in the news a year later when the dust settles

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<v Speaker 3>and the headlines slow down, how they feel about their

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<v Speaker 3>time in the sun.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we get to our editor, Billy's chat with Ned Brockman,

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<v Speaker 2>Sam what's making headlines.

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<v Speaker 3>The government has requested Australia's consumer watchdog to monitor domestic

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<v Speaker 3>airlines in an attempt to improve competition in the sector,

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<v Speaker 3>currently dominated, of course by quantas. Over the next three years,

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<v Speaker 3>the AH Triple C will investigate the cost of airfares,

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<v Speaker 3>passenger demand, the frequency of cancelations and delays, and profits

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<v Speaker 3>reported by carriers. Findings will be included in reports to

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<v Speaker 3>be released every three months.

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<v Speaker 2>Unemployment fell slightly from three point seven to three point

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<v Speaker 2>six percent in September. That's according to the Australian Bureau

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<v Speaker 2>of Detistics. The youth unemployment rate remained at eight point

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<v Speaker 2>one percent. The rate of underemployment, which is those who

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<v Speaker 2>worked for less hours than they wanted to, also fell

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<v Speaker 2>last month.

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<v Speaker 3>AFL player Joel Smith has been suspended after failing a

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<v Speaker 3>doping test. Smith, who plays for the Melbourne Demons, tested

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<v Speaker 3>positive for cocaine after the Demons played Hawthorne in August.

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<v Speaker 3>Sports Integrity Australia is now investigating the matter.

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<v Speaker 2>And the good news Scotland's largest offshore wind farm is

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<v Speaker 2>now operating full capacity. The project could generate enough electricity

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<v Speaker 2>for two thirds of all Scottish homes and make a

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<v Speaker 2>significant contribution to the country's net zero goal by twenty

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<v Speaker 2>forty five. The milestone has been hailed as an important

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<v Speaker 2>achievement for clean energy in the UK.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's get started. St ned Brockman, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 4>for joining.

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<v Speaker 5>The Daily OS Billy, thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know how else to start this interview other

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<v Speaker 4>than to ask, how the hell did you do that?

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<v Speaker 5>It took me a lot of training the lead up,

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<v Speaker 5>and a lot of mindset and a lot of yeah, sacrificing.

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<v Speaker 5>I think you know the price I had to pay.

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<v Speaker 5>I was completely willing to pay that, whether that be

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<v Speaker 5>in a physical, mental, whatever sense, but yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 5>willing to put it all on the line to get

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<v Speaker 5>it done. And that's why I'm probably here talking me today.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to understand what it's like to be at

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<v Speaker 4>the center of a massive media storm. For weeks, you

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<v Speaker 4>were all anyone could talk about. You're on the front

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<v Speaker 4>page of every newspaper.

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<v Speaker 5>What is that like? Yeah, it's weird. I think while

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<v Speaker 5>I was in it. While I was in the run,

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't really take much notice of it. I saw

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<v Speaker 5>like social media starting to kick off and things were

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<v Speaker 5>starting to blow up a bit, but to what I

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<v Speaker 5>was doing, Like, you know, I was doing the run

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<v Speaker 5>because I wanted to do the run, and I was

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<v Speaker 5>doing because I want to inspire, I want to motivate,

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<v Speaker 5>also want to raise money, and all the other stuff

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<v Speaker 5>comes from that, and so for me, it was all

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<v Speaker 5>about just getting the run done and so whatever was

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<v Speaker 5>happening outside it kind of I didn't really asked how

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<v Speaker 5>large it was until I got to Bonday and fully

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<v Speaker 5>realized what actually went down.

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<v Speaker 4>And then when you're out Bond die, and then the

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<v Speaker 4>days after there must have been a moment where you

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<v Speaker 4>realized how big it had gotten. What was it like

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<v Speaker 4>to like to be that person at the center when

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<v Speaker 4>everyone's talking about you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's it's weird, and like you have this, I

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<v Speaker 5>would call it like imposter syndrome, like a why me

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<v Speaker 5>and I think I'm just an average dude going out

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<v Speaker 5>doing something extraordinary. But yeah, when I when I was

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<v Speaker 5>running down Bondi Road, probably like as I come down

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<v Speaker 5>and I saw saw the beach, that's when I realized

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<v Speaker 5>like the enormity of it all. Like up until that point,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, there was helicopters above me and like everyone

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<v Speaker 5>hunky on the street, but I didn't really grasp like

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<v Speaker 5>the size and the sheer scale of it. And then

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<v Speaker 5>I saw the beach and I was just like, oh

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<v Speaker 5>my god, Like this isn't fucking real, is it? This

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<v Speaker 5>is not real? And then yeah, ran down. It was

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<v Speaker 5>just like yeah, if you can bottle that up and

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<v Speaker 5>everyone could take a sip at it, it would be

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<v Speaker 5>the most rewarding thing for people. Because that moment is

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<v Speaker 5>what I think Livin's all about.

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<v Speaker 4>After the media storm ends, the media cycle inevitably moves

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<v Speaker 4>on what happened next for you.

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<v Speaker 5>I think a lot of the Olympic people have this,

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<v Speaker 5>Like you have the competition, you finish it, you're running

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<v Speaker 5>off the high you know, whether you get the gold

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<v Speaker 5>medal or whatever it is, and then you have the

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<v Speaker 5>post Olympic blues. I feel like I had my post

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<v Speaker 5>event blues pretty well about two weeks after. I was

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<v Speaker 5>still caught up in it. I was getting going to

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<v Speaker 5>events that all the people go to and it's like,

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<v Speaker 5>oh my god, this is so cool, and then it all,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, the clock ran out and I crashed pretty hard.

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<v Speaker 5>But I can say that like I was low, and

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<v Speaker 5>I think we all need to be able to acknowledge

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<v Speaker 5>that I've done something pretty epic like run across the country.

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<v Speaker 5>But I can also go, you know, I'm not feeling

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<v Speaker 5>great right now. I'm quite depressed. I damaged my body

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<v Speaker 5>big time on the run, so I had to spend

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<v Speaker 5>time sitting out, and someone like me, Billy doesn't like

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<v Speaker 5>sitting down a lot, so I had to find peace

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<v Speaker 5>in that as well, which taught me a lot too,

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<v Speaker 5>just sitting out and being okay with it. And I

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<v Speaker 5>had to put twelve kilos back on. So I hate

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<v Speaker 5>my body weight and probably be an extra, but I've

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<v Speaker 5>dialed that back in there, so real good.

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<v Speaker 4>What did that low look like?

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<v Speaker 5>It got a bit better this time around, because in

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<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty I did the fifty marathons where I kind

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<v Speaker 5>of had this rush and I felt invincible, and then

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<v Speaker 5>I got injured and I kin'd had this crash and

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<v Speaker 5>I was a proper crash, like I was not well

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<v Speaker 5>and I'd been through it all. So when I got

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<v Speaker 5>to the run, and I knew this would happen, so

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<v Speaker 5>I was kind of like waiting for it to happen.

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<v Speaker 5>It happened at two weeks, but when I was in

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<v Speaker 5>it, it was just like acknowledging it, journaling, writing down that

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<v Speaker 5>all the thoughts and feelings, you know, I'm feeling, and

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<v Speaker 5>just accepting it and doing things you could do. So

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<v Speaker 5>I started doing things that got me out, but not

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<v Speaker 5>physically out, you know, not punishing my body every day.

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<v Speaker 5>And yeah, like there's always light at the end of

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<v Speaker 5>the tunnel. You always find something to do.

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<v Speaker 4>You've said a lot already that you're just this average person,

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<v Speaker 4>but you simply can't be to achieve what you've achieved.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm really interested in this idea of mental resilience

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<v Speaker 4>and whether you're born with it or whether you can

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<v Speaker 4>develop it. Do you think that anyone could just get

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<v Speaker 4>up tomorrow and train to run across the country or

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<v Speaker 4>is your brain why differently to ours?

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<v Speaker 5>You can absolutely train mental resilience, mental toughness, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>getting up and getting up. That is something you teach yourself.

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<v Speaker 5>That is something we can be taught. However, I don't

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<v Speaker 5>think everyone can go wake up and go right today,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to start training for a run across the

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<v Speaker 5>country because I just don't think, like, you know, physically

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<v Speaker 5>a genetic makeup, I probably can run a bit better

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<v Speaker 5>than a lot of people. But in saying that, like,

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<v Speaker 5>if that was your goal, I think anyone can. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>every day from my last three years, I've chosen the

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<v Speaker 5>more uncomfortable option of everything I do. So whether it

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<v Speaker 5>be like I'm standing in the shower this morning and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm looking at the hot water tap and the cold

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<v Speaker 5>water tap, and I go, the easy option here is

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<v Speaker 5>to turn the hot water on and have a shower.

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<v Speaker 5>That would be comfortable. That is the nice thing to do.

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<v Speaker 5>And then I look at the cold water tap and go,

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<v Speaker 5>that will be uncomfortable, and this will make my day

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<v Speaker 5>better because I've won this shower, and that's what I do.

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<v Speaker 5>We're so inclined to pick the easy option these days,

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<v Speaker 5>and if it doesn't come to us quickly, we'll go

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<v Speaker 5>for the other easy option, the next easy option. If

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<v Speaker 5>it's too hard to you know, get We'll just go

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<v Speaker 5>for something else. If you can intentionally put yourself in

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<v Speaker 5>uncomfortable scenarios daily, it puts things in perspective, so things

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<v Speaker 5>aren't that bad and that hard. And then you also

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<v Speaker 5>start to go, oh, what else can I do? What

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<v Speaker 5>else can I do?

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<v Speaker 4>You talk a lot about wanting to be uncomfortable or

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<v Speaker 4>choosing the uncomfortable option. Do you like pain?

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<v Speaker 5>I like what it gives me. I don't love being

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<v Speaker 5>in it, but I love knowing that when I'm in it,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to get so much out of it. I

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<v Speaker 5>think we all need to evolve as people, and we

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<v Speaker 5>really If you're not evolving, you're just wasting your time.

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<v Speaker 5>We're here for a very short period of time. Growth

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<v Speaker 5>comes from uncomfortable scenarios, not necessarily physical, like it can

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<v Speaker 5>be in anything uncomfortable. But if you're not learning from that,

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<v Speaker 5>then you're wasting your time.

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<v Speaker 4>We've talked a lot about your mental journey, but what

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<v Speaker 4>did running across the country do to your physical body?

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<v Speaker 5>Pretty well, from about day three I was starting to

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<v Speaker 5>show signs of wear and tear. Basically, when I got

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<v Speaker 5>back I had. I had pretty pretty bad gluten meat

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<v Speaker 5>tendons and when I got back to BONDI we kind of,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I took the two weeks off and then

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<v Speaker 5>I went right out. Now I've got to start looking

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<v Speaker 5>at this. I had ten MR eyes from the belly

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<v Speaker 5>button down on different parts of my body. Basically burstis

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<v Speaker 5>in every joint.

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<v Speaker 4>What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 5>My burses, which like the sack around the joints and

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<v Speaker 5>the tendons were just so inflamed from repetitive overuse. But

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<v Speaker 5>but I'm not a runner, Like I'm not I started

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<v Speaker 5>a runner. No, I'm not. I started three years ago.

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<v Speaker 5>Like this is people A lot of people, do you

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<v Speaker 5>know think this is like a big dream and this

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<v Speaker 5>is this is what this is how I start all

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<v Speaker 5>my conversations is like, I'm not a runner. I'm just

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<v Speaker 5>a guy who started running to lose weight three years ago.

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<v Speaker 5>Who's gone, how do I make the most of my

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<v Speaker 5>every day? This is where it ended.

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<v Speaker 4>You just said that you started running to lose weight,

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<v Speaker 4>and I've heard you talk before about having body image issues.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you talk about that?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think it's a funny thing that that only

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<v Speaker 5>that comes from. And when I'm not doing the things

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<v Speaker 5>I go and talk about. So probably in the times

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<v Speaker 5>where I'm injured and I'm struggling to get out motivation

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<v Speaker 5>wise because I can't because of an injury. Usually it's

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<v Speaker 5>only rare occasions that I go, oh, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not happy with this, I'm happy with that. But I'm

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<v Speaker 5>pretty good at it now. What my body has done

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<v Speaker 5>for me, It's allowed me to get up and go

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<v Speaker 5>again and go again. It's like he can do it

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<v Speaker 5>at once.

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<v Speaker 4>It's twelve months on since you're finished. Has your body recovered?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think my body will ever recover fully like

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<v Speaker 5>I think if I I think if you speak to

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of athletes, they are always borderline injury performance

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<v Speaker 5>and it's just a balance dealing with those niggles. But

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<v Speaker 5>I was probably like seventy percent going into the run,

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<v Speaker 5>so when I got the end, I was probably about twenty.

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<v Speaker 5>But in saying that, if I had to run another

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<v Speaker 5>thousand and k after I would have been I would

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<v Speaker 5>have absolutely done that.

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<v Speaker 4>No worries, You'll basically put your body through a form

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<v Speaker 4>of torture. What is you scared of? Like, do you

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<v Speaker 4>have any fears?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, just not reach my potential the opportunities. That's my

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<v Speaker 5>only fear. I don't. I don't fear like injuring myself.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't fear you know, what people think of me.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't fear much on like that side of things.

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<v Speaker 5>But I fear not ever reaching what I was probably

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<v Speaker 5>put here to do.

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<v Speaker 4>I've heard you say that you don't think that you've

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<v Speaker 4>reached your limit yet. Are you going to keep going

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<v Speaker 4>until you reach that limit?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think you ever do. I don't think as

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<v Speaker 5>humans we ever do. I think again, I'm touching on

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<v Speaker 5>the evolving thing. But like what my limit was four

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<v Speaker 5>years ago, I've surpassed that ten times already. So now

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<v Speaker 5>it's like, well, where does this? Where is the limit?

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<v Speaker 5>I think the limit is death. I don't think you

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<v Speaker 5>actually get to you'll. There will always be something else

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<v Speaker 5>you can give. There'll always be another pricing and pay,

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<v Speaker 5>And I think, yeah, I don't think i'll I'll ever

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<v Speaker 5>reach it.

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<v Speaker 4>Lastly, in your book, you do say that you have

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<v Speaker 4>a new challenge coming up that you're planning that you

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<v Speaker 4>say will be even tougher than running across Australia. What

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<v Speaker 4>can you tell us about that?

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<v Speaker 5>I can say for me if I every year, every

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<v Speaker 5>second year, for five more years, can live that moment

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<v Speaker 5>I felt in BONDI then I've ticked off what I

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<v Speaker 5>need to do in my life because that moment and

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<v Speaker 5>that that feeling I got was just like I can't

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<v Speaker 5>even explain it to people because unless you've been there,

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<v Speaker 5>you can't. You will never understand. And so for me,

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<v Speaker 5>even in the book, I tried to explain, but it's

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<v Speaker 5>nearly impossible because I can only associate with people who've

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<v Speaker 5>done things like it, and it's very few.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you think now that you've experienced that extreme high,

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<v Speaker 4>you're going to be constantly trying to get to that

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<v Speaker 4>high again?

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<v Speaker 5>I want to say, is very carefully what it's like

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<v Speaker 5>with like going to war and you go, you come

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<v Speaker 5>back into society, you try and assimilate, but nothing's the same.

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<v Speaker 5>So for so long I was out there just like

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<v Speaker 5>grinding away at this thing, grinding away, and there's no

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<v Speaker 5>normality to what we're doing. It's all just freaking psychotic

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<v Speaker 5>out there, like every day was just a struggle. And

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<v Speaker 5>then you get there and then you try and associate

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<v Speaker 5>back and you're in this whole new world in your life.

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<v Speaker 5>Like I've ran from being relatively unknown to being you know,

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<v Speaker 5>one of the most prominent mullets in Australia. And then

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<v Speaker 5>you're like, now this whole life's completely different. It's like

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<v Speaker 5>you just want to be back in there when you're

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<v Speaker 5>in it. You just want to be out of it

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<v Speaker 5>when you're out of it, or you want to be

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<v Speaker 5>is back in it. You want to be back in

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<v Speaker 5>that because that is the most alive and most joyous

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<v Speaker 5>things you'll ever feel.

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<v Speaker 4>So do you think you'll feel that extreme, extreme high again?

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely? The high wasn't getting the Bondai. The high was

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<v Speaker 5>achieving what we had to to get there, like that

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<v Speaker 5>whole journey of across Australia, knowing what we went through.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what made Bondi so special. You know, whether there

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<v Speaker 5>was two people in Bondai or the however many were there,

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<v Speaker 5>it was the same. It was the exact same special moment.

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<v Speaker 4>So there is something that you're planning that will be

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<v Speaker 4>even tougher than running across Australia. That will be in

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<v Speaker 4>the next few years.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it'll be. It'll be next year. September.

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<v Speaker 4>Ned Bruckman, thank you so much for joining the DAS.

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<v Speaker 2>Good thank you, thanks for listening. To today's episode of

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<v Speaker 2>The Daily Os. I've always thought it was interesting to

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<v Speaker 2>think about what happens after you are at the center

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<v Speaker 2>of a news cycle. And I guess now.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, And there's other stories like that out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Let us know who you want us to chat to

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<v Speaker 2>about this, but until then, have a great weekend and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll be back on Monday.