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Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

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Speaker 1: Bungelung Cargoton woman from Gadigol Country. The Daily oz acknowledges

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Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the

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Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres

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Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present.

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Friday,

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Speaker 2: the twentieth of October. I'm Zara, I'm Sam Sam. Welcome

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Speaker 2: back to the part. Thanks nice to be here here

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Speaker 2: for a short time. Not a good time because you're

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Speaker 2: off to the US.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm headed off to Washington, d C. Over the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Anthony Albanezi is landing in Washington early next week for

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Speaker 3: the state visit with President Joe Biden and I'm going

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Speaker 3: to go and see what's going on.

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Speaker 2: But for today's podcast, we are casting your minds back

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Speaker 2: a year ago this week to the moment that a

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Speaker 2: little known Sparky finished Erase the gripped Australia.

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Speaker 3: An electrician who had a big light bulb moment.

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Speaker 1: My idea of running from Perth to Bondie seems insurmountable.

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Speaker 4: Thousand kilometer journey across the stret.

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Speaker 3: Please welcome Ned Brockman. We wanted to sit down with

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Speaker 3: Ned Brockman to understand what happens to people who are

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Speaker 3: in the news a year later when the dust settles

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Speaker 3: and the headlines slow down, how they feel about their

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Speaker 2: Before we get to our editor, Billy's chat with Ned Brockman,

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Speaker 2: Sam what's making headlines.

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Speaker 3: The government has requested Australia's consumer watchdog to monitor domestic

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Speaker 3: airlines in an attempt to improve competition in the sector,

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Speaker 3: currently dominated, of course by quantas. Over the next three years,

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Speaker 3: the AH Triple C will investigate the cost of airfares,

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Speaker 3: passenger demand, the frequency of cancelations and delays, and profits

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Speaker 3: reported by carriers. Findings will be included in reports to

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Speaker 3: be released every three months.

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Speaker 2: Unemployment fell slightly from three point seven to three point

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Speaker 2: six percent in September. That's according to the Australian Bureau

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Speaker 2: of Detistics. The youth unemployment rate remained at eight point

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Speaker 2: one percent. The rate of underemployment, which is those who

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Speaker 2: last month.

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Speaker 3: AFL player Joel Smith has been suspended after failing a

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Speaker 3: doping test. Smith, who plays for the Melbourne Demons, tested

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Speaker 3: positive for cocaine after the Demons played Hawthorne in August.

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Speaker 3: Sports Integrity Australia is now investigating the matter.

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Speaker 2: And the good news Scotland's largest offshore wind farm is

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Speaker 2: now operating full capacity. The project could generate enough electricity

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Speaker 2: for two thirds of all Scottish homes and make a

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Speaker 2: significant contribution to the country's net zero goal by twenty

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Speaker 2: forty five. The milestone has been hailed as an important

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Speaker 4: Let's get started. St ned Brockman, thank you so much

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Speaker 4: for joining.

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Speaker 5: The Daily OS Billy, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how else to start this interview other

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Speaker 4: than to ask, how the hell did you do that?

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Speaker 5: It took me a lot of training the lead up,

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Speaker 5: I think you know the price I had to pay.

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Speaker 5: I was completely willing to pay that, whether that be

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Speaker 4: I want to understand what it's like to be at

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Speaker 4: the center of a massive media storm. For weeks, you

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Speaker 5: What is that like? Yeah, it's weird. I think while

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Speaker 5: I didn't really take much notice of it. I saw

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Speaker 5: also want to raise money, and all the other stuff

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Speaker 4: And then when you're out Bond die, and then the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's weird, and like you have this, I

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Speaker 5: would call it like imposter syndrome, like a why me

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Speaker 4: After the media storm ends, the media cycle inevitably moves

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of the Olympic people have this,

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Speaker 5: post Olympic blues. I feel like I had my post

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Speaker 5: But I can say that like I was low, and

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Speaker 5: But I can also go, you know, I'm not feeling

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Speaker 4: What did that low look like?

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Speaker 5: It got a bit better this time around, because in

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Speaker 5: And yeah, like there's always light at the end of

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Speaker 4: You've said a lot already that you're just this average person,

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Speaker 4: And I'm really interested in this idea of mental resilience

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Speaker 5: You can absolutely train mental resilience, mental toughness, you know,

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Speaker 5: getting up and getting up. That is something you teach yourself.

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Speaker 5: That is something we can be taught. However, I don't

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Speaker 5: I like what it gives me. I don't love being

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Speaker 5: We're here for a very short period of time. Growth

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Speaker 4: We've talked a lot about your mental journey, but what

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Speaker 5: Pretty well, from about day three I was starting to

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Speaker 5: My burses, which like the sack around the joints and

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Speaker 5: but I'm not a runner, Like I'm not I started

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Speaker 5: Like this is people A lot of people, do you

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Speaker 4: You just said that you started running to lose weight,

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Speaker 4: and I've heard you talk before about having body image issues.

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Speaker 4: No worries, You'll basically put your body through a form

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just not reach my potential the opportunities. That's my

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Speaker 4: Lastly, in your book, you do say that you have

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Speaker 5: I can say for me if I every year, every

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Speaker 4: Do you think now that you've experienced that extreme high,

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Speaker 5: I want to say, is very carefully what it's like

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Speaker 5: Like I've ran from being relatively unknown to being you know,

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Speaker 4: So do you think you'll feel that extreme, extreme high again?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely? The high wasn't getting the Bondai. The high was

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Speaker 5: That's what made Bondi so special. You know, whether there

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Speaker 4: So there is something that you're planning that will be

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it'll be. It'll be next year. September.

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Speaker 4: Ned Bruckman, thank you so much for joining the DAS.

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Speaker 2: Good thank you, thanks for listening. To today's episode of

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Speaker 2: The Daily Os. I've always thought it was interesting to

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Speaker 3: I know, And there's other stories like that out there.

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Speaker 2: about this, but until then, have a great weekend and

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